1:17 pm March 21, 2010, by David O'Brien
The Ghost of P.L.
March 21st, 20107:33 pm
Roman Gal………….I have been watching the Braves since 1982. I followed Hanson last spring. Here’s a news flash for you: Most starting pitchers in today’s game dont make it deep into ball games because of high pitch counts. Tommy Hanson had proven at every step along the way that he had good control and could dominate hitters.
Anyone with any objectivity (in other words, not sniffing Bobby Cox’s jock strap) can see that the Braves were all about delaying Hanson’s arbitration clock. When it became apparent that Tom Glavine wasnt going to make this April 18th start last year……the Braves first turned to Jo Jo Reyes and then Kris Medlen.
Any talk of “well, the Braves didnt only want to call Hanson up for only a couple of starts” is just pure window dressing. In my mind, the Braves should have never signed Glavine. When it became apparent that Glavine wasnt going to be ready anytime soon after April 18, the Braves should have cut Glavine and called up Hanson………..instead of going with Jo Jo and Medlen.
The first comment under that video cracks me up:
How can you parody a farce?
Anyone watching the Tiger Woods interview on ESPN? Tiger is good golfer but a bad guy.
March 21st, 20107:34 pm
prolly what confused PL in the first place
March 21st, 20107:35 pm
Roman Gal……….you answered my question AFTER THE FACT. After reading your stupid post about my incorrect spelling of Hanson’s name, how the hell was I supposed to know that you was going to respond and really answer my question. Am I Marvin the Mind Reader?
arrogant snot just like his buddy Smoltzie
Steve from OH
March 21st, 20107:36 pm
PL–so what? So what if they did? Like I said, it’s a win-win because he did need extra seasoning, whether you want to admit it or not. Could he have started the season in Atlanta and have posted an ERA around 4.00? Sure. But why do that when you could keep him down, delay his arb and FA, and have him more prepared to take over his role as a future ace? It’s not like he was being groomed to be a #4 starter. He’s the future of this staff. He’d better damned well be ready to take over that mantle when he comes up. When you call guys up before they’re absolutely ready, you just waste club control time getting them to their ceiling.
March 21st, 20107:37 pm
oops, excuse me Snot boogie, didn’t mean to insult you
Tommy Hanson had proven at every step along the way that he had good control and could dominate hitters.
Sure, he’d proven that he could get hitters out. The only problem was that he couldn’t do it with minimal pitches. Now, do I think that the Braves probably kept Hanson down longer than they needed to? Yes, of course. But at a certain point, it just makes sense to keep him down to keep him from becoming a Super 2.
As for me sniffing Bobby Cox’s jock strap, well…I’ll leave that to you.
Most rockstars are great performers and terrible people, too. It’s important we separate performers from the people they are.
March 21st, 20107:38 pm
good to see you 4 a while STEVE
Am I Marvin the Mind Reader?
I guess I just thought you knew everything. Don’t worry, I won’t make that mistake again.
March 21st, 20107:39 pm
After reading your stupid post about my incorrect spelling of Hanson’s name, how the hell was I supposed to know that you was going to respond and really answer my question. Am I Marvin the Mind Reader?
He’s heating up…I think he’s about to erupt! Hide the minorities and veterans
Steve from OH…………I guess that Hanson dominating at Double A and the Arizona Fall League should have been ignored because he had a few deep counts against hitters in meaningless Spring Training games?
I guess that when the Braves called up Kris Medlen in early May of last season that Hanson was still struggling with his change up and deep counts in Gwinnett? Whatever. Dude dominated in Triple A before the Braves called him up in June. From the very beginning.
March 21st, 20107:40 pm
People tend to hang around other people who are like them. Tiger also hung around with egotistical Jordan.
Who cares if Tiger Woods was cheating on the D.L.
A majority of Athletes do it, I mean look at Steve McNair…
Tiger Woods is my role model….
Thanks, nolie. Had a test last week so a free weekend for once, so I’m enjoying the March Madness and blogging. Well-planned by the administration, I must admit…
March 21st, 20107:41 pm
Hide the minorities and veterans jeffrey d
I don’t think it’d do any good. He is a ghost, after all…
One of these days it’s going to come out that Tiger tried to pick up trannys or cross dressers… you wait and see.
March 21st, 20107:43 pm
Hide the minorities and veterans j d
After reading your stupid post about my incorrect spelling of Hanson’s name…
Hey, you’re spelling his name correctly now though, huh?
March 21st, 20107:44 pm
Heath – I had Purdue losing in the first round based on your advice that it was almost a sure upset. Purdue’s going to the Sweet 16 now…thanks bud
Who cares if Tiger Woods was cheating on the D.L.
What I want to know is, how many times is the guy going to have to make a public apology? And you’re right, t-hawkin, lots of players cheat. Report it and move on.
Now, I was too young to understand when everything happened with Chipper…but was it this annoying?
well RG I see that great minds once again thought alike with out quoting the same post
Steve from OH………..I had no problem with Tommy Hanson starting the year in Triple A last year. I agree with keeping him in Triple A until early June in order to delay both his arbitration and free agency clocks.
I was just disagreeing with Roman Gal’s contention that Hanson had some kinks to work out in Triple A. If Hanson had started the season in the starting rotation, he’d been our 5th starter. He wouldnt have had the pressure to go deep into games. The work he got down in Triple A could have been done at the Major League level.
After all, do you really think that Hanson would have done worse than Jo Jo and Medlen did in the rotation in late April and all of May? I seriously doubt it.
March 21st, 20107:45 pm
Oh I get it. Ghost of P.L. is actually P.L.???
Here I thought it was just a catchy, clever moniker. Neat.
March 21st, 20107:46 pm
PL–you don’t follow the minors as closely as I do, and certainly not as closely as Efrim and PWH do, so if you don’t mind, don’t act like you know that Hanson’s pitch counts (among other things) were just fine in AA and hi-A. That was one flaw that we had discussed while he was in the minors, that he didn’t keep his pitch counts down like he should have. In the AFL he went into a lot of deep counts. Also, keep in mind that he had just begun throwing his slider during the last half of the season in 2008. Don’t you think the extra time in AAA in 2009 helped him get a better feel for that pitch, so that he could trust it in big spots in the big leagues?
Nah. He was ready to dominate from day 1. ‘Cause those AA hitters are so comparable.
And besides, if the Braves wanted to keep him down for money reasons, that’s their perogative. Get over it. It was 100% the right call. 100%.
Tomahawkin…..Cyndi Lauper is on The Celebrity Apprentice this year. She was almost the first one fired last Sunday night. She’s not a very bright person.
I know. Although, I can’t blame Heath – I listened to ESPN.
March 21st, 20107:47 pm
it was pretty annoying, and I still read references to it by haters EOIAW all these years later.
It’s the no-trade clause I find questionable in Mauer’s contract. Eight years? Really?
March 21st, 20107:48 pm
I see that great minds once again thought alike with out quoting the same post
It’s true. But you know what they say:
Great minds think alike, but fools seldom differ.
Maybe we can get Derek Lowe some of this
March 21st, 20107:49 pm
Tomahawkin………..As far as Mitch Jones, I havent seen him play enough to have a good feel for his abilities.
March 21st, 20107:50 pm
I’m gonna go ahead and blame Heath. And Liberty Media.
I was just disagreeing with Roman Gal’s contention that Hanson had some kinks to work out in Triple A.
Well, disagree all you want. You certainly haven’t changed my mind. And speaking as someone who watches and listens to a good number of milb games, you’ll be hard pressed to change my mind about this particular subject.
Ghost of P.L.'s echo
March 21st, 20107:51 pm
Enter your comments here
March 21st, 20107:52 pm
Forgot to add RG and scoots to the list of folks who follow the minors more closely than I do. But they already knew that…
Or some of this:
As far as Mitch Jones, I havent seen him play enough
PL – It’s actually spelled Match Jones. Mitch Jones is a famous plumber.
I don’t watch reality TV… and I don’t plan to…
I know that Mitch Jones hit 32 homers in AAA last year, but I think he is AAAA player (Tears up the minors but can’t hit in the bigs, much like Diory Hernandez)
March 21st, 20107:53 pm
He’s got huge marketability there, too. It’s as much a marketing move as it is a baseball move.
I’ll blame Nate McLouth.
March 21st, 20107:54 pm
Forgot to add RG and scoots to the list of folks who follow the minors more closely than I do.
Hah! Maybe more than some, but probably not you. But thanks anyways.
March 21st, 20107:56 pm
What gets me is why didn’t the Media try to destroy Pay-Rod (AROD) when he was living Foul…
I guess there is nothing else BSPN has to do…
Damn Storms here in Gwinnett keep playing with my power…!
March 21st, 20107:57 pm
Not at a bar tonight, Tomahawkin?
March 21st, 20107:58 pm
How many golfers do you think the average person can name other than Tiger Woods?
March 21st, 20107:59 pm
you can still drink on Sundays if they serve food.
March 21st, 20108:00 pm
You’re argument imagines a league full of people like Lenny Harris.
Good lord, if you imagine Lenny Harris (career.269/318/349 – .262/317/332 as a PH) bears any resemblance to an actual “hitter”, then it’s clear we have nothing to talk about. Lenny Harris is a professional out-maker.
March 21st, 20108:04 pm
Yes-sir Buddy…I’m at a Bar in Tucker, getting tuned up, even though I have to be a good boy tonight…
My Narrow carcas should be down in Panama City bumpin some old Outkast. My whole crew is down there, and I’m missing it ( crocodile tear ). They keep sending me txt messages trying to rub it in. My boy D is going to La Vela tonight….
Name the pinch hitters you want on the team, Spike.
March 21st, 20108:06 pm
Oh yeah, D….he knows how to party
Steve from OH……..again, I totally agree with keeping Hanson in Triple A for the first 2 months of 2009. That isnt my point of contention. How hard is that for you to understand?
March 21st, 20108:07 pm
Roman Gal……………So let me get this straight? It’s ok to keep Hanson in Triple A for 2 months in order to delay his arbitration and free agency clock…….yet not ok to do the same with Jason Heyward?
March 21st, 20108:08 pm
jeffrey d………..Hide the minorities? I’m not sure where that came from.
not trying to start a fight, but can we all assume that everyone on here has watched the braves for at least a few years and stop defending a point by saying “i’ve watched the braves since x”. I’ve seen it a lot and it is quite annoying.
March 21st, 20108:09 pm
If it makes you feel any better, the weather sucks down here in the Florida panhandle.
March 21st, 20108:10 pm
I think I (and others) have very clearly explained the reasons requiring Hanson to need more seasoning in AAA in order to be a legit ace, PL. Try again.
March 21st, 20108:11 pm
Co-sign on your post about Tiger and marriage…
Like Al Bundy used to say “Don’t ever get Married! Love is not only blind but its stupid…”
March 21st, 20108:14 pm
I think the Angels are going to regress this year. I don’t see them winning the AL West.
Hide the minorities? I’m not sure where that came from.
Oh, it just comes from your stupid comments about minorities, that’s all.
eg – “McNappy”
March 21st, 20108:15 pm
Where you at down there…? in the Tally? (Tallahassee)
I should be down in Panama City getting tuned up and going to La Vela…That place is is gonna be off the hook, weather it rains or not…
March 21st, 20108:16 pm
It’s ok to keep Hanson in Triple A for 2 months in order to delay his arbitration and free agency clock…….yet not ok to do the same with Jason Heyward?
You’re obviously missing the point, and I’m through explaining. Besides, there’s a difference in being an everyday player and a pitcher.
March 21st, 20108:17 pm
I’m in Fort Walton Beach, about 60 miles east of PC.
March 21st, 20108:19 pm
but can we all assume that everyone on here has watched the braves for at least a few years and stop defending a point by saying “i’ve watched the braves since x”.
I think that’s a grand idea, lpad.
Man, huge deal signed by Mauer. He’s great, but I don’t know if he’s $23 million a year great. Especially considering that last season is the only the second time he’s hit more than 10 homeruns.
In keeping with the general “level” of………his “posts”. Props to jeffrey!
March 21st, 20108:20 pm
jeffrey d…………I dog on McNabb because I’m a Dallas fan. In case you dont know, the Cowboys and Eagles are bitter rivals.
March 21st, 20108:22 pm
It is ok to do the same with Whose-his-nickname.
March 21st, 20108:23 pm
It’s more than McNappy…it’s a lot of your ignorant “let’s see how edgy I can be” posts. Like your 8:19 “posting.” You think you’re being BA and cool but it’s really just making you look like a MORON
March 21st, 20108:24 pm
Doesn’t change the ignorant undertones of the route you chose to dog him…
If you called him Donovan McCrap I don’t think anyone would have minded.
San Antonio is off to a hot start. 24 points scored and still over 4 minutes left in the 1st quarter.
March 21st, 20108:25 pm
I agree with that last post, and If I were him I’d be in Panama City or South Padre Island right now…
he will have a reality show once he’s retired, watch…
March 21st, 20108:26 pm
jeffrey d…………My 8:19am post was valid. I was dead on with my assessment. JFK showed how the infidelity game should be played.
March 21st, 20108:27 pm
If you called him Donovan McCrap I don’t think anyone would have minded
AND it’s funny! I actually chuckled at that. But when you call him “McNappy” it only makes me think that person is stupid (when in his head he’s making a hilarious point)
racism, misogyny, narcissism, repetition, ignorance, …
I was talking about your 8:19 PM post, though.
He’s great, but I don’t know if he’s $23 million a year great
He’s probably worth more to the Twins than anyone else. New stadium coming on line, new revenue streams, a hometown hero, the psychological factor of image, yada yada yada. Even so, it’s not a high premium over market value and there isn’t any more risk with this contract than there is with any other long-term big-dollar deal.
March 21st, 20108:28 pm
Gosh…I thought you were right 99% of the time, PL
March 21st, 20108:29 pm
Tiger Woods is such a great golfer who will be winning Majors in his 50’s.
On a side not, he’ll also be going after one of Wilt Chamberlain’s most infamous records. Even Tiger will have his work cut out for him in that regard.
March 21st, 20108:32 pm
I won’t respond, I won’t respond…
I agree ncscoots. I think we’re making too much out of the money. Mauer’s the best at his position, which is probably the most important on the field. He brings it offensively and defensively. With the new stadium they had to pay him.
March 21st, 20108:33 pm
jeffrey d………..What did you think of my 8:05pm post?
Yeah, he’s just sucking you in
March 21st, 20108:35 pm
Matt Bonner with the offensive rebound. The Hawks are playing stellar defense, giving up 33 points in the 1st quarter to an old San Antonio team.
Then again, the Spurs scored 147 against Golden State on Friday.
March 21st, 20108:38 pm
I’d take Mauer over some of the other boneheaded contracts out there like Soriano’s.
PL – I think it’s insightful and a good point. Except one I don’t agree with
I dont think that Tiger is a bad person at all. He’s just a man that lives in a world where certain expectations are put on him to live his life a certain way by society.
Those “expectations” are called being considerate to those who love you. I agree that physical relations are a basic human desire, but if you can’t control them like Tiger did, it’s going to deeply hurt his wife and kids. He acted on a natural human desire, but it indirectly involves people that love him.
March 21st, 20108:39 pm
as soon as Tiger wins almost all will be forgiven….America loves winners, look at Kobe
March 21st, 20108:40 pm
Yeah, Tiger’s gotta think about his kids, jeffrey. I can’t imagine what those kids will go through when the realize what their dad did. It’s shameful and unacceptable, to put them in that position. It does make what he did wrong and immoral.
I think Tiger will give it a good run, but I think Wilt’s record is safe.
The Zombie P.L.
March 21st, 20108:41 pm
did i ever tell you all my feelings on marriage?
March 21st, 20108:42 pm
Ghost is right that he should have never gotten married, though. It was purely image and public relations.
It’s shameful and unacceptable, to put them in that position. It does make what he did wrong and immoral.
But when you struggle with addiction, those you care about don’t matter. Your main focus is on feeding the addiction. Later you’ll worry about them. Fault Tiger if you want, but it’s human nature to be susceptable to addictions.
Now I’m not condoning what Tiger did, and I feel terribly for his wife and kids.
I have an opinion on everything, and it is the correct one…
March 21st, 20108:43 pm
“He’s just a man that lives in a world where certain expectations are put on him to live his life a certain way by society.”
this is BS….so we are only to be faithful to our wives because of worldy expectations?
March 21st, 20108:45 pm
I have all those opinions documented in a giant word file, listed alphabetically for ease of locating and the ol cut and paste…
yep, cut and paste, makes blog life much easier for the ol zombie PL
Harold from Huntsville
If you are still on the blog, I have a topic I would like for you to address if you will. And that is how important is it to keep the bat in the same plane as the ball as long as possible during the swing. I read someplace that Albert Pujols’s swing kept the bat in the same plane as the ball longer than anyone in the majors. I would think that timing would be less critical for him. If I remember correctly, Henry Aaron almost looked like he was swing down on the ball. Mark Teixeira has and upper cut which I believe would make timing more critical for him. Is that the reason that it takes him longer in the spring to start hitting for higher average?
jeffrey–that’s true, but again, it is not an excuse, and I will fault him for putting his loved ones in this situation. But that’s not to take away from how serious addiction is. We had a lecture on alcoholism and the first words out of the professor’s mouth (and this guy is, um, well-respected, to say the least) are “addiction IS a disease, and we must treat it as such.”
It’s a fine line, but in the end, what he did was wrong.
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