2:13 pm March 9, 2010, by David O'Brien
The Ghost of P.L.
March 9th, 20106:53 pm
Glen W……you can ridicule the length of the posts all you want, however the NUMBERS dont lie.
How can you downplay the effect of Tim Lincecum making $10 mil this year as a Super 2 instead of less than $1 mili if he wasnt? It is unreasonable to say that if Jason Heyward shows that he’s the real deal from the get go…….that he will be similarly compensated after year 3?
About three weeks ago I heard Frank Wren being interviewed on an Atlanta radio station. He was asked if they would consider sending Heyward down like they did Hanson last year and Wren replied that they would not consider such a thing, that if he was one of the best 25 players when they broke camp that he would be in the opening day lineup. He further stated that if he is in that lineup he would be as a full time player and not in a platoon.
So far I see no reason he could not be judged one of the best 10 or 12 players on the team, much less one of the top 25.
March 9th, 20106:54 pm
Lew,you must not be as big as you make yourself out to be- the only ones I saw with your description of yourself and Grinch I asked. Maybe next year,I sure enjoyed watching the practice as much as the games.
March 9th, 20106:55 pm
Most expensive Heyward rookie card that I can find–
“Having him and Tommy Hanson both eligible for arbitration after 2012 is a frightening prospect.” – The Ghost of P.L.
Who says they both won’t be locked up in long term contracts before they are arb-eligible ?
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You’re right in saying that I attributed the 2011 salary in the second scenario but not in the first. But that was what I addressed right after the financial analysis. “Is H[o/ey]ward locked up for one extra year in the dream scenario? Yes. But its quite clear the Braves plan on signing him long term and making him the new face of their franchise if he has this kind of production, so they would still get the same years of service later, just with payments moved up one year.”
What I was pointing out, was that if you assume: If Heyward is massively productive, the Braves will make him the face of their franchise and sign him long term, then the difference in payments over the long haul really becomes the present value of one year of pre-arbitration salary (~450k).
March 9th, 20106:56 pm
Um where are all those Met’s Trolls?
March 9th, 20106:57 pm
Ghost – don’t you have a pot pie to bake or something? geez…
March 9th, 20106:58 pm
TnBrian, $950 for a kid that has never seen a pitch in the majors… crazy how much people think of this kid.
I started collecting cards in 1989…As a matter of fact I bought my first pack of cards at Underground….
Too Bad myb Mom sold my 35,000 baseball cards at a yard sale in 1994 when I went to baseball practice (I was p’d off at her for 3 years after that) for 20 bucks…!
I’m getting P’d as I type that….Argh!
JUST SAYIN’…………if Frank Wren really were to follow through on his promise to have Jason Heyward on the Opening Day roster, then he would be taking a HUGE financial risk.
However we wont find out how this will play out until after the 2012 season. However, I’m sure that there will be a rookie who will come up in June of this year who has the potential to be a peer of Heyward. I wonder what his salary would be after the 2012 season (when he will still be one year away from arbitration)…..as opposed to Heyward’s (who will be eligible for arbitration if he starts the 2010 season in Atlanta).
March 9th, 20107:00 pm
Tomahawkin – 20 bucks? You gotta be joking? Did you at least get the money?
March 9th, 20107:01 pm
CSS guys saying Braves will finish 3rd behind the Phillies and Mets and the other says they’ll finish behind the Phills and Marlins. WOW
Rob from SC
I am not getting the game. WTF
March 9th, 20107:02 pm
I keep going back and forth on Heyward. Both options have advantages. Neither is a no-brainer.
The Braves have to make the decision and there are still four weeks before opening day. A lot can happen in that amount of time. If he’s hitting .400 at the end, he’ll likely start in Atlanta. If he’s hitting .200, he’ll likely get some AAA at-bats.
any radio link
Brian from SC
March 9th, 20107:03 pm
MLB Network…where is the game????
Behind the Mutts? Not.
March 9th, 20107:04 pm
The Ghost of P.L.: Most everyone that has been on the blog for any length of time already knows the ramifications of starting Jason Heyward from day one on the major league level. The discussion really isn’t about whether it makes financial sense! It is the organizations decision and theirs alone. Yes, the payroll hit will be substantial!
The reason that most on the blog are pleased with the possibility of Heyward starting on opening day is because management is surprisingly valuing the importance of putting our best players on the field, who have the best chance to WIN! Money be damned!!!
It is amazing, is it not!
Oh, one other note, maybe they are sending Mr. Heyward a message. A message that says your special, we want to make you the centerpiece of a team that wants to win and will spend the money to make that happen, when the time is right.
Game blacked out on mlb network with directv aahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
I guess I’ved lived in the city and on college campuses too long but I’ve never seen a live raccoon in my life…
I saw a live skunk a year ago…and I was screaming louder than Mariah Carey…
And I saw my first live Aradillo 5 years ago as well as my first deer, too bad I was driving when I saw the later two…
Glad I got Mlb.tv because cox is not showing the game on mlb network
March 9th, 20107:05 pm
Why is this game blacked out? The one from last Tuesday wasn’t blacked out.
MLB Network is not showing the game here in Alabama. I have Time Warner Cable so no CSS either. This blows.
Anyone with DirecTV in SC know what channel it’s on? Blacked out on MLB.
sidslidkid………again, if you really think that Tommy Hanson and Jason Heyward will be locked up in long term contracts by the time they are eligible for arbitration…….then you are living in a dream world.
Brian McCann is the EXCEPTION to the rule, not the rule. Jair Jurrgens and Yunel Escobar are both going to get huge raises in arbitration after this season. If Jeff Francoeur can make $5 mil this year (despite not being able to hold Brian McCann’s jock strap as a player), then you better believe that other players have taken note. McCann making only $500K more than Francoeur is a joke.
The way I see it, a player with talent would be a fool to sign any kind of hometown discount.
March 9th, 20107:06 pm
Not even at the bottom half of the 1st and Brian Jordan has already made a few blunders. LOL
March 9th, 20107:07 pm
MLB Blackout, but no CSS down here (Cox Cable)…………………………agh! As much as I love watching Smoltz in the ‘91 Series, I want to watch the 2010 Braves vs. Halladay!!!!!!!!!!
I have Directv…I have the game!
But I am not it Atlanta.
Mike Mike Bo
All in all… I personally think that if Heyward puts up the appropriate numbers to neccessitate a $10 million arbitration figure, whether he qualifies for a super-2 or not, I’d be happy. Considering $10 million is what was awarded to Howard after winning ROY and MVP… as well as posting rediculous numbers. The only way that Heyward approaches that figure is if he has a similar start to his career. I see that as a win-win in all cases. If he’s putting up numbers like that, that means we have that BIG proven presence in the middle of the line-up that we’ve been looking for. Meanwhile, to try and pick up someone like that off the free agent marker (i.e. Matt Holliday) we’re looking at at least $17-$19 million anually for a “slightly past their prime guy”. Meanwhile, if Heyward doesn’t pan out like everyone expects him to… then we don’t have to worry about the large arbitration number. Homework or no homework, math or no math… bringing Heyward up now if, in fact, he is ready makes all the sense in the world.
March 9th, 20107:08 pm
Im getting the game on the MLB Network just fine on Direct TV.
…KK lookin’ good so far.
All pumped to watch the game tonight, but noooooooo.
why would they blackout the game?
man this sucks i was so excited to watch them play now its blacked out!
I just don’t understand why MLB Network showed the game here last week but not the one tonight. I really wanted to watch tonight.
Find A Clue
March 9th, 20107:10 pm
Yeah… this is stupid. DirectTV doesn’t carry CSS. I guess since it’s a (spring training) home game they’ve blacked it out in Atlanta? This sucks.
Does anybody know how we can watch it online? I got screwed with direct tv also.
1-2-3. Easy does it.
Kawakami is looking sharp so far. As I said last year, I expect him to have a much better year in 2010. He has the makings of being the best #5 starter in the Majors.
Mixxo, they’ll be another game Thursday, so hopefully you guys blacked out will see it then. That sucks too, sorry man.
March 9th, 20107:11 pm
Blacked out here in NC- this sucks.
Damn the man. I was ready for some baseball and I’m blacked out and DTV doesn’t carry CSS.
March 9th, 2010
I know wrist injuries are hard to recover from ( hence the Infante injury last year) but Schafer was an overrated prospect who got pushed to bigs too early because our Cheap owners were reluctant to spend money and get a decent OF bat…”
T, I think Infante’s injury was the broken hand; IIRC, he broke the same hand the last two years. A broken hand is a very big deal, but I believe that a broken wrist is even worse, and it appears that Schafer’s wrist is worse than most, maybe because he kept on playing with it!
I see where you are coming from with the experience thing, but sadly we will never know exactly how much that played into it because of the wrist thing. I do agree that he needs to stay down until he gets his swing back, and depending on the severity of the wrist it may take as long as another year.
As for being too cheap and rushing him, at least they did go out and get McLouth in May, which was probably better than they would have gotten in ST or the offseason. Remember that they pretty much spent all of the budget last year on starting pitchers. And they weren’t cheap there!
I guess I’m better off since I knew ahead of time that I have no way of watching the game. No CSS, no MLB Network, no nothin’…
I am watching it on Direct TV…
March 9th, 20107:12 pm
can anyone be awesome and give play by play
glen do you have the premier sports package or whatever?
March 9th, 20107:13 pm
I do like the balance of the starting line-up.
Glen what channel?
I asked Chipper about Heyward — he believes the kid will make the team — and about him batting seventh, mentioning what Bobby Cox said about Heyward batting that low.
“Chipper might be batting seventh,” said Chipper, smiling.
Anyone volunteering PBP for those not blessed with Comcast?
Thanks in advance.
Glen W is probably not in GA, NC, or SC.
With that lineup for the season, just imagine how many good pitches Escobar is going to see…
March 9th, 20107:14 pm
Rob from SC………….McLouth has had a couple of good rips so far. 2-2 count.
McLouth looks just like Marcus Giles. His batting stance even resembles Giles.
Steve from OH
DOB–has Chipper ever spoken this highly of a rookie before to you?
K to start the inning
March 9th, 20107:15 pm
Halladay just showed why he’s probably the best pitcher in baseball. She struck out McLouth on a nasty change-up.
Where is the game?!!
oh so Nate struck out? big surprise
I have it on Direct TV 213
Oops, I mean “He struck out McLouth”
March 9th, 20107:16 pm
Glen W is in Mn
Glen W……….same here. Channel 213 on Direct TV.
March 9th, 20107:17 pm
This Halladay looks pretty good. They got him from where?
Prado strikes out as well on a fastball on the inside corner. Halladay looks like he is in mid-season form.
thanks glen. i guess your not in the blackout regions.
Glen W – direct tv – what channel?
makes no sense that people in minnesota can get it but people from atlanta cant…itd be nice to actually see heyward play one time.
base hit Chipper to center
Nice rip up the middle from Chipper.
Chipper with a shot up the middle.
March 9th, 20107:18 pm
does anyone know if you can get css on direct tv?
This Halladay looks pretty good
I wonder if he has a nickname and t-shirts…
The Ghost of P.L.
“March 9th, 2010
wjones…………dude, you truly dont understand what I’ve been saying. It has nothing to do with whether Jason Heyward is ready. In fact, I feel that he is probably ready to hit ML pitching and have a decent year for us.
Even if he were to flop, I would not say “I told you so”…….because my argument isnt that he isnt ready. ”
OK, I know that’s what you have been arguing, but the point I was responding to was this one:
“P’cola Brave………….very few rookies come out and dominate right away. He’s only 20 years old. I think that it is foolish to put your season hopes on a 20 year old who has only a few bats in Triple A.
The move is to let him get a couple of months of at-bats in Triple A. If he performs in a similar fashion that Hanson performed in, then call him up and insert him into the right field position.”
In that post, you seemed to indicate that you thought he needed more minor league time. I’m sorry if I misunderstood.
good for chipper. He’s trying to stay out of teh 7 hole
Stupid TV and MLB execs blacking out games. So disappointing.
March 9th, 20107:19 pm
Krob – nope it’s a comcast branded channel
Oh 213 is MLB network on my direct tv and it says I’m in a regional blackout.
Glaus single…1st and 2nd 2 out
When can i buy my Jason Heyward number 24 jerseys? when do they go on sale?
Glaus has six hits in his last six at-bats — all singles.
wonder if the game is out in the philly area?
How big is Glaus? 6′4″?
what networks carry css does dish
March 9th, 20107:20 pm
Glaus singled to right
The problem with Halladay is that we can’t wait him out to get to their lousy bullpen. Dude’ll just throw a complete game.
March 9th, 20107:21 pm
Halladay has some funky stuff. FUNKY
McCann Ks… 3 Ks for the inning.
Mcann struck out top of second
Andrew in PA
roy is nasty
March 9th, 20107:22 pm
I guess that I was wrong about Halladay not caring if he strikes out the side or not.
March 9th, 20107:23 pm
Steve from OH, they have Glaus listed at 6′5″, but he looks about 6′7″ to me.
well least halladay is just one man. least the phils can’t clone him.
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We’ve had a report that the blog is being haunted by repeating phantasm.
Yes, My Narrow a…s is getting violated by the mlb network as well, Arrrghhh!
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