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BravesFanChris25
March 9th, 2010
5:30 pm
DOB
What relievers are scheduled for tonight? I’ve been wanting to see Wagner/Saito pitch. I didn’t see last time due to non televised.
P'cola Brave
March 9th, 2010
5:31 pm
JOE
Right I agree. But Schafer won’t come up to sit or split time. You’ll have Diaz, Mclouth, Heyward and Melk in the outfield all year. If you move Melk the only logical choice to fill it is Schafer but I don’t see the braves bringing him up to split time. They may be able to move Melk in the offseason before the tender deadline but I just don’t think theres anyway they move him this year.
joerochester
March 9th, 2010
5:32 pm
P’cola
If they decide Schafer is ready, you don’t think they’ll bring him up this season?
Coach (2011 or Bust)
March 9th, 2010
5:33 pm
Gluas if healthy will pound out his normal 25-30 HR, 90-100 RBI numbers.
ttough44
March 9th, 2010
5:33 pm
hEY d.o. CHECK A BAND CALLED STEREOMONSTER AND SIGNER ZAC YOUNG COLUMBUS GA……GO BRAVES!
ttough44
March 9th, 2010
5:34 pm
SORRY…HA HA…SINGER ZAC YOUNG ON YOUTUBE!
Frankie Knuckles
March 9th, 2010
5:34 pm
Heard a great line from Heyward on ESPN. “When they [pitchers] make a mistake I let them know.”
This should be fun!
FEAR
March 9th, 2010
5:35 pm
ok do we need a bouncer now?
ttough44
March 9th, 2010
5:35 pm
THE ONE ZAC YOUNG SINGING ON A PARK.BENCH….
Heath
March 9th, 2010
5:36 pm
Really good day for me on the market! (Actually been a good two weeks.)
Frankie Knuckles
March 9th, 2010
5:37 pm
Schafer spends the whole season in the minors. You heard it here first.
The Ghost of P.L.
March 9th, 2010
5:38 pm
David O’Brien……….Oh, I guess that you didnt read my take on the Tim Lincecum and Mark Reynolds situations?
Perhaps the discrepancies in their salaries and service time accumulated went way above your head? If you cant see how what happened with them could affect the way the Braves handle Heyward……then I’m not sure why you have a job blogging. After all, it’s pretty clear to me how juggling service time can mean the difference between a player making less than $1 mil in a year as opposed to $8 mil in salary as well as a $2 mil bonus.
Also, ask Mark Reynolds how 1 FREAKING DAY of service time is affecting his pay this season.
Perhaps if you would do some more homework instead of caving in to your emotions and fulfilling the need of the masses to have their immediate need of a feel good fix that would temporarily result from having Jason Heyward in the Opening Day lineup……..then you would be able to take a step back and logically look at this. For you to belittle my “economic suicide” comment shows that you are indeed short sighted and incapable of engaging in a discussion that goes beyond your level of comprehension.
FEAR
March 9th, 2010
5:39 pm
Frankie Knuckles – I think he may be part of a trade. schafer that is
Tomahawkin
March 9th, 2010
5:40 pm
Coach
Troy Glaus if he doesn’t get injured produces .265 22-80, “Bank On It!” not to mention the braves could have the weakest corner infielders as far as defense goes with Chipper and Troy Glass at first…expect 30-40 errors from them 2…
P'cola Brave
March 9th, 2010
5:41 pm
Joe
Its just hard to see them bringing him up w/out moving Nate. They may late if hey want to platoon him or give him the LF job for the rest of the year. Its hard to say. I think Melk and Diaz will produce so its hard to bench them, they could look into moving Nate (which by the way I think they do this offseason). Melk should be an attractive piece for a team looking to add depth for a run at the postseason. If we’re in the playoff race I don’t think they’d bring up a Rookie to take over a spot. If it looks like were out then hey I’m all for him coming up.
David O'Brien
March 9th, 2010
5:41 pm
David O’Brien. Oh, I guess that you didnt read my take on….
You could stop right there and it’d be a very good assumption.
Tomahawkin
March 9th, 2010
5:42 pm
Frankie Knuckles
I’m glad that I’m not the only one who thinks Schafer needs a year of seasoning/maturity in AAA…
he was overmatched last year and was only pushed up because of our Cheap Owners reluctance to spend money on a bat last offseason…
Glen W
March 9th, 2010
5:42 pm
Ghost – I’ll agree to disagree as well.. now if you could be as respectful with you other comments we’d be making some progress here… good grief. DOB disagreed with you. How about you agree to disagree with him?
FEAR
March 9th, 2010
5:42 pm
David O’Brien – hahaha!! damn
Home of the Braves
March 9th, 2010
5:43 pm
To everyone who thinks Heyward should start the season in the minors to “save money,”
Quick Finance Lesson: Let’s assume 2% interest rates (absurdly high given this economy, but we’ll go with it since its unbelievably conservative). Let’s also assume that Heyward produces as well as Ryan Howard in his first 5 years (also ridiculous, especially given Howard’s production as a young slugger and the fact that Howard was 25 when he entered the league with Minor League experience, but again, we’ll go with it to appease any doubters). Here’s Howard’s actual contract intake, and then a similar one if it had been 3 years before he hit arbitration:
Real Other
06 – $400k $400k
07 – $900k $450k
08 – $10mm $900k
09 – $15mm $10mm
10 – $19mm $15mm
11 – - $19mm
In a financial transaction, you have to factor in the Time Value of Money (anyone who took an Intro Finance course in college learned this). It’s the concept that you’d rather me give you $1 today than give you $1 tomorrow. That’s where the interest rate comes in. It “evens the playing field” between the value of $ in the future and $ now.
Present value (as of 2006) of total $ paid through 2010 (or 2011 in the second scenario) using our 2% rate:
PV(Real): 42.584mm PV(Other): $42.196mm
So overall, we’re looking at a TOTAL difference of less than 400k (or one major league minimum salary) over the 5/6 year window that Arbitration covers. Is H[o/ey]ward locked up for one extra year in the dream scenario? Yes. But its quite clear the Braves plan on signing him long term and making him the new face of their franchise if he has this kind of production, so they would still get the same years of service later, just with payments moved up one year.
If you think that having Heyward for the first 2 months, or even 2.5 weeks, isn’t worth $400k to the Braves in sales, merchandise, media coverage, chances to win the division, and good graces with Heyward for negotiating in the future, then you need to learn just how big of a business baseball is.
In summary, keeping Heyward in the minors is the wrong decision from a baseball standpoint, since he’s our best option in RF AND a finance perspective since the Braves plan to make more off of him than the maximum possible $400k (less if he commands lower salaries obviously) they’re going to lose by having him in the majors.
The Ghost of P.L.
March 9th, 2010
5:44 pm
P’cola Brave………..Glavine never made a start with the Braves. On April 18th, the Braves tried Jo Jo Reyes for a couple of starts. Then in early May they went with Kris Medlen for a few starts. Tommy Hanson dominated the whole 2 months he was in Triple A. He had a good Spring and had dominated the Arizona Fall League…on top of dominating Double A in 2008.
Jason Heyward has only a few at-bats in Triple A……….hardly played in the Arizona Fall League. One decent week in Spring Training and all of you are ready to anoint him our savior?
If you ask me, it’s apparent that Tommy Hanson had shown that he was more than ready to open the 2009 season with the Braves. However, due to economic reasons, the Braves did the smart thing and delayed his arbitration clock. Expect the exact same thing with Jason Heyward.
Once again, I’m on the minority side of things…….getting ripped for it. Let’s see how this plays out as well.
Home of the Braves
March 9th, 2010
5:45 pm
Haha. Oops…Sorry for the length. It’s worth the read if you’d like to understand how the Braves are probably thinking about the financial side of things though…
joerochester
March 9th, 2010
5:46 pm
The Braves need to get some minor league position depth.
The Ghost of P.L.
March 9th, 2010
5:49 pm
Space Monkey………your Evan Longoria analogy was totally off base. Tampa Bay went to the World Series the year that they called up Longoria and signed him to that long contract. Longoria spending the first 2 weeks of the 2008 season did not hurt Tampa.
You might want to do some better homework next time.
Anthony
March 9th, 2010
5:49 pm
Perhaps it would be better for him to come up after Bobby and TP move on down the road so not to be adversely influenced and become the next Jeff Francour.
Steve from OH
March 9th, 2010
5:49 pm
Gluas if healthy will pound out his normal 25-30 HR, 90-100 RBI numbers.
Again, I agree. What’s going on here anyway? LOL!
joerochester
March 9th, 2010
5:49 pm
I think the amount of revenue Heyward could bring to the Braves will all the hype would be worth having him there on opening day.
P'cola Brave
March 9th, 2010
5:51 pm
Ghost
It wasn’t known at the time that Glavine wasn’t going to be ready. As for why they didn’t call him up right away when this was determined, what do you do w/ Hanson when Glavine ready? Once Schafer didn’t pan out and the mclouth move was made they cut ties w/ Glavine and promoted Hanson. Why promote him in early May when if you can wait two-three weeks and save on him since you’ve already got him down there. Medlen was dominating when he got called up. Go look at the numbers and tell me whose was better between Medlen and Hanson. Hanson’s biggest problem was he was throwing a lot of pitches early in games.
The Hanson/ Heyward comparison is hard to make. Hanson may make 5-10 starts in April and May where Heyward may play in 50+ games. Heyward will make a lot more of an impact then Hanson would have. Why would you send your best prospect down when hes your BEST OPTION on a PLAYOFF CONTENDER.
The Ghost of P.L.
March 9th, 2010
5:51 pm
Bay Area Steve………you might want to do some extra homework pal. The Braves would need to keep Heyward in Triple A for more than 10 days to avoid him being a Super 2.
It’s the top 17% of players between year 2 and 3 in service time who qualify as Super 2s. This past season, the cut off date was 2 years, 139 days of service.
Do the math and then get back at me.
Frankie Knuckles
March 9th, 2010
5:54 pm
Heyward is revenue. In ATL yes he is. Would like to have Schafer’s arm in CF but that bat was bad. He needs to prove he can mash AAA pitchers for a season IMO.
FEAR – Hope hes not traded this year. I think his stock is low. Even if he rips it up at G-town other GMs will say, “what about 09?’
Take it easy folks, off to my fantasy draft.
Steve from OH
March 9th, 2010
5:55 pm
Kevin Goldstein ranks Atlanta as the no. 4 farm system in the bigs. Nats come in at no. 12, Mets at no. 15, and Phils and Marlins in the 20 range.
joerochester
March 9th, 2010
5:55 pm
There’s a lot of homework being assigned today.
wjones
March 9th, 2010
5:56 pm
“Tomahawkin
March 9th, 2010
5:42 pm
Frankie Knuckles
I’m glad that I’m not the only one who thinks Schafer needs a year of seasoning/maturity in AAA…
he was overmatched last year and was only pushed up because of our Cheap Owners reluctance to spend money on a bat last offseason…”
FOR THE 10000TH TIME, HE WAS NOT OVERMATCHED! HE BROKE HIS WRIST!!!! HE KEPT IT TO HIMSELF AND HIS AVERAGE AND POWER WENT TO HELL!!
However, I do agree he needs to go to AAA, but it is because he still does not have the strength in his wrist yet; in fact, I believe it is entirely realistic that he could start the year in EST to build up his strengh before even facing minor league pitching.
FJR
March 9th, 2010
5:56 pm
Home of the Braves. Your math is off. You have a difference of 4 million dollars in 2010. The 2006 value of 4 million dollars in 2010 was 3.6 million. So for just that year ALONE, the difference in value is 9 times what you stated the TOTAL difference was.
How in the HECK did you get a present value difference of just 400K? When the difference was millions for several years? Did you make the extra year the second contract has “free” for the first contract? That is, did you count the 19 million against the second scenario, when there wasn’t a 2011 year in the first”real” contract scenario?
Your concept is correct, but your execution is off. You can’t count the 2011 salary in the second scenario against it, when there isn’t a 2011 contract year in the real scenario.
The only difference between a contract negotiation if J-Hey sits out the first 9 games of the season and if he doesn’t is 2016 is a FA year if he sits out.
As can be shown, a CONSERVATIVE estimate of the differences between how much it costs to buy out a FA year is about 4 mill more for a legit player than if it was an arbitration year. Not even taking inflation of contracts into account. Discounting to the present, this difference is worth 3.5 mill in today’s money.
Not 400K.
The Ghost of P.L.
March 9th, 2010
5:57 pm
RC………….sure, holding Heyward down in Triple A for 10 days or so would delay his free agency by 1 year. However, it wouldnt delay his arbitration clock. He would need to be kept in Triple to the end of May or so for the arbitration clock to be delayed.
Sure, Tim Linecum wont be eligible for free agency until after 2013 (4 more seasons). However his salaries will jump up significantly faster because of his Super 2 status. Just this year, the Giants are out $9 mil because of it. They will have to pay more next year then they would……..and more the next year and so on…….if he wasnt a Super 2.
Free agency isnt just the issue here. It’s the raises that one are dude in arbitration that come into play. Delaying it by one year can mean the difference in tens of millions of dollars…….especially if Heyward turns out to be the real deal. Just ask the Giants if they would have kept Lincecum in Triple A for 10 more days back in 2007.
FJR
March 9th, 2010
5:59 pm
Now, I really hope nobody is really arguing to hold J-Hey back long enough to avoid him being a super 2. That really could mean no playoffs.
There is a difference between holding him back long enough to avoid becoming a FA in 2016 and long enough to avoid becoming a super 2.
Tomahawkin
March 9th, 2010
6:01 pm
Wjones…
Sure he hurt his wrist…but I’ve seen players play through injuries like that. Granted they were 100 percent they still were able to produced. Schafer was just out matched by ML pitching and failed to make adjustments before he wrist got into such bad condition…
And please kill the large talk in large caps…What do you love about this guy. I for one still think he is un proven. His minor league numbers don’t impress me at all since he was on HGH….
Eric from MO
March 9th, 2010
6:01 pm
Joe where would they play Schafer. They arent going to bring him up to sit the bench. Only way he comes up is if a player gets hurt or Melky or Diaz get traded. Probably at some point in the season an OF will get hurt at least for a couple of weeks, so he may see a few weeks but thats about it.
Snotboogie
March 9th, 2010
6:01 pm
DOB with a classic burn.Ha ha.
David O'Brien
March 9th, 2010
6:04 pm
Joerochester: I was about to type the line that you beat me to (5:55).
dogsbrekky
March 9th, 2010
6:04 pm
Jon Farrar in the same bloggage as JayHey… hmmm… maybe Neil Young would be worthy
P'cola Brave
March 9th, 2010
6:05 pm
Tomahawkin
I think a lot of Schafer struggles had to do w/ his wrist. His wrist was bad enough that hes still not playing yet. He may not have been ROY but I think he was solid from the little bit we’ve seen. I agree he still has to prove himself. But so does Heyward. There both unproven and still have to prove their worth. I don’t think Schafer is in the same range as Heyward but still has the abilities to be a ML contributor. His biggest problem was the inability to adjust to that inside fastball. All rookies have holes and I think they can work it out. He will be a big factor for the Braves in the future… maybe as soon as ‘11.
Glen W
March 9th, 2010
6:07 pm
Can’t wait for the next topic…
Castrologist
March 9th, 2010
6:07 pm
We’re hyping this kid up WAY too much. He is looking good for Spring Training sounds like. Hopefully, the new nickname surfaces soon. That t-shirt needs to be shat upon. Son Volt rocks!
TnBrian
March 9th, 2010
6:08 pm
To quote Steve Martin from Plains, Trains, & Automobiles if somebody sane were to unfortunately run into to you P.L.—
“Didn’t you notice on the plane when you started talking, eventually I started reading the vomit bad? Didn’t that give you some sort of clue, like maybe this guy is not enjoying this?”
Lew
March 9th, 2010
6:09 pm
Hope that Cincinnati dealer has good luck selling that print. Mines’s better and I give it away free to Denizens. Heyward didn’t sign mine, either (but I tried).
ugaaccountant
March 9th, 2010
6:10 pm
Ghost of P.L. – right now, it’s fantasy land to pretend we’re going to send Heyward down long enough to avoid super-2 status. Thank goodness, but our ownership isn’t that cheap.
Just Pat
March 9th, 2010
6:11 pm
Thanks guys for giving me a headache before I go home to watch the Bravos. I won’t be able to appreciate a pitch or a hit or anything else without worrying about arb figures, etc.!
Snotboogie
March 9th, 2010
6:11 pm
I am going to make my prediction for today’s game.
Glaus goes deep to left center today.Probably in his second at-bat.
He has been fine-tuning his swing and hitting balls hard. Now its time for some elevation.
Mitchie-san
March 9th, 2010
6:11 pm
Paul is back?? Oh Jeez…
Glen W
March 9th, 2010
6:12 pm
OL I’ll suggest one… since we play the Phils tonight… how’s Brad Lidge going to do this year? any projections?
Rob from SC
March 9th, 2010
6:13 pm
Tomahawkin
He had a broken bone in his wrist. Pujols couldn’t hit with a broken wrist. If you don’t like Schafer that’s fine. But cut the kid a little slack
joerochester
March 9th, 2010
6:13 pm
Lew
Are you going to be posting the new ones on your site?
The Ghost of P.L.
March 9th, 2010
6:13 pm
David O’Brien………….your 5:41pm post just shows that you play favorites with those who agree with you and never question anything you have to say.
The examples of both Tim Lincecum and Mark Reynolds clearly show the benefits and consequences of a team being aware of the accumulation of service time towards Super 2 status. For you to not read it because of any personal animosity you have towards me, just shows how truly unprofessional you are.
The numbers dont lie. Just because they dont play into your “Jason Heyward will open the 2010 season in Atlanta” chorus, does not mean that they should be dismissed.
Lew
March 9th, 2010
6:14 pm
GlenW. Dude just started throwing off of a mound last week after arm and knee surgery in the offseason. I’d say they’re looking more at 09 Lidge than 08 Lidge this year.
Lew
March 9th, 2010
6:15 pm
joerochester-Probably, but I have to send out bout 65 prints and found out today I broke my foot at Disney and am hobbling around right now. I’ll get to it sometime soon – unless I get REALLY lazy.
Just Pat
March 9th, 2010
6:17 pm
Oooooooooh, JEEZ……I just realized who the “Ghost” was.
Just Pat
March 9th, 2010
6:18 pm
Lew
Broke your foot at Disney???? Stumble on the steps at the stadium or what?
Steve from OH
March 9th, 2010
6:18 pm
Right. O’Brien plays favorites. I know I’ve disagreed with the dude plenty of times and he’s still cordial to me.
You can use your illusion, let it take you where it may…
dogsbrekky
March 9th, 2010
6:19 pm
Lew – be careful with that foot, I smashed my foot on my stair-fall before Christmas and am still having all sorts of problems… and my foot was not broken, just a Chien Ming Wang kind of thingy
I am super-hyped about 2010… we are better and deeper and the Glaus monster has just awoken..
beware fillies
Heath
March 9th, 2010
6:20 pm
DOB -
Pulling no punches today, huh?
joerochester
March 9th, 2010
6:20 pm
LEW
That print of that guy from law school is awesome.
Chop Chop
March 9th, 2010
6:20 pm
Long time, no post.
I guess we’re winning 110 this season. Optimism abounds. We cannot lose.
The Ghost of P.L.
March 9th, 2010
6:21 pm
Home of the Braves………..your 5:43pm post was way off base. Your analysis doesnt make sense.
What does make sense is Tim Lincecum and Mark Reynolds. Why dont you do an analysis on what a difference a few days of service time makes in their future salaries……and then get back with me?
Steve from OH
March 9th, 2010
6:22 pm
I guess we’re winning 110 this season. Optimism abounds. We cannot lose.
Will the season be shortened, then?
Chop Chop
March 9th, 2010
6:22 pm
Mercy rule, Steve.
Mercy rule.
Steve from OH
March 9th, 2010
6:22 pm
Good to have you back, btw.
Post of Gall Lintz
March 9th, 2010
6:23 pm
Oh, somebody please make it stop.
I’m begging. I’m Bernie in Miller’s Crossing. “Paulie, you can’t do dis! Dey can’t make us do dis! It’s a wrong situation. You’re not like those animals! I’m praying to you! I can’t… I can’t read these posts… out here in the web… like a dumb animal. I can’t! No! I’m praying to you. Look in your heart. I’m praying to you. Look in your heart, Paul!”
Jinx (formerly known as woogidy)
March 9th, 2010
6:23 pm
Is it possible that this kid, a year younger, puts up Pujols type numbers this year? The ones he put up in his rookie season? I can dream, right? – 37HR 130RBI .329/.403/.610 OPS 1.013 – WOW
Pujols hit .314 with 19 HR in his only year in the minors .314/.378/.514 – 47K/46BB .920 OPS. J-Hey hit .323 with 17 HR last year in the minor leagues .323/.408/.555 – 51K/51BB .963 OPS
Shockingly close. Just wishing out loud…
Tomahawkin
March 9th, 2010
6:24 pm
Rob From SC
I may be a little hard on Schafer, but I thought last year after his struggles in 2 weeks in the majors that he was overrated… especially since he didn’t have the stats in AA plus HGH admissions that he was worth the hype. That’s why I’m so skeptical plus his range and defense was average…I think he needs a year in AAA to get older and wiser and fill out his frame….He is still young
The Ghost of P.L.
March 9th, 2010
6:25 pm
P’cola Brave………….very few rookies come out and dominate right away. He’s only 20 years old. I think that it is foolish to put your season hopes on a 20 year old who has only a few bats in Triple A.
The move is to let him get a couple of months of at-bats in Triple A. If he performs in a similar fashion that Hanson performed in, then call him up and insert him into the right field position.
FEAR
March 9th, 2010
6:25 pm
anyone got the pbp tonight? i’m at work………………..
Glen W
March 9th, 2010
6:25 pm
Lidge said he needed 10 appearances in ST to be able to open the season on the roster… sitting on 0 right now…
CB
March 9th, 2010
6:25 pm
Jinx, yeah I think you are dreaming,but isn’t hope wonderful?
Heath
March 9th, 2010
6:26 pm
My blood pressure has been higher the last couple of days.
And then get back to me...
March 9th, 2010
6:26 pm
Yeah, let us all drop what we are doing go sit in our corners silently and do the math….
Heath
March 9th, 2010
6:27 pm
I wanna see that movie “She’s Out of My League”
That guys usually is in pretty funny movies…and this one looks to be no different.
Lew
March 9th, 2010
6:28 pm
Just Pat-No, thought I was skinny enough to start running and found out I still weigh too much. Got a Prado autograph for my efforts, but have to sit around for a couple more weeks until it heals. It;s right in the middle of the foot and supposedly i in a place that heals quickly.
joerochester-They paid me enough for that to buy my computer.
CB
March 9th, 2010
6:30 pm
Lew,where you down there on the 25th? I did look for you and Grinch but did not find you guys.
Glen W
March 9th, 2010
6:32 pm
Jayson Stark tweeted this today on Strasburg:
One scout’s instant review of Strasburg: “Makes Porcello look like he’s playing catch with his sister.”
Tomahawkin
March 9th, 2010
6:35 pm
Fear…
I remember those good old days of Beckett…I collected those magazines from 1992-2001
Talk about a dying industry…Thanks to video games, collecting cards is a dying hobby
wjones
March 9th, 2010
6:36 pm
Tomahawkin, sorry about the caps, but dangit, I get tired of people treating a broken wrist like a hangnail. Remember how it took Sandberg two years to get his power back? And he was an experienced major leaguer. Was he called up too soon? Maybe. But his troubles with the inside fastball would have been a whole lot easier to tackle had he had the strength in his wrist to do so. It is a very damaging thing, especially from a strength perspective. I would be surprised if he hits many home runs this year in AAA; I think it will take him until next year to gain the strength back. It also disappoints me that it took the organization as long as it did to figure it out; wasted a lot of valuable time.
Just Pat
March 9th, 2010
6:38 pm
Lew
Well, getting Prado’s autograph should be worth it. Can’t help it……I’ve been a sucker for gritty second basemen since Glenn Hubbard!
FEAR
March 9th, 2010
6:38 pm
Tomahawkin – Yeah I started in ‘88. Had a bunch. even a Boog Powell autographed card. WOW! haha.
sold ‘em all for like a 100 bucks to some little kid in my neighborhood. Remember the billy ripken card that said “f*ck off” on the bat knob? That was a collectors item.
Lew
March 9th, 2010
6:39 pm
CB-We were sitting in the front row by the dugout all day. I was getting things signed and the Grinch was sleeping in the sun.
wjones
March 9th, 2010
6:39 pm
“The Ghost of P.L.
March 9th, 2010
6:25 pm
P’cola Brave………….very few rookies come out and dominate right away. He’s only 20 years old. I think that it is foolish to put your season hopes on a 20 year old who has only a few bats in Triple A.
The move is to let him get a couple of months of at-bats in Triple A. If he performs in a similar fashion that Hanson performed in, then call him up and insert him into the right field position.”
I hope you realize this is not going to happen, don’t you? The consolation is that if he struggles you can say to all of us “I told you so.” On the other hand, if he winds up rookie of the year…
Just Pat
March 9th, 2010
6:42 pm
Tomahawkin
And please go a little easier on Schafer. He was given the suspension for the “association” of players on HGH. Never proven he was actually ON them.
John10
March 9th, 2010
6:43 pm
DOB
Racoon in stands today at Pt St Lousy. We heard screams from stands on 3rd base side and saw people jumping around and thought it was the wave. When it got closer we saw a racoon coming thru the stands . It exited at the bullpen on 3rd base side. Fastest bullpen movement you have ever seen.
Jinx (formerly known as woogidy)
March 9th, 2010
6:44 pm
Tomahawkin, did you see the link I posted last night? Heyward’s rookie card? Maybe this is why we stopped collecting cards.
http://cgi.ebay.com/BOWMAN-CHROME-JASON-HEYWARD-SUPERFRACTOR-AUTO-RC-1-1_W0QQitemZ110500267296QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Baseball?hash=item19ba544520
The Ghost of P.L.
March 9th, 2010
6:44 pm
Maybe some of you guys will understand it this way:
In order to qualify as a Super 2 in 2010, players had to end the 2009 season with at least 2 years, 139 days of service. Tim Lincecum had 2 years, 148 days. Mark Reynolds had 2 years, 138 days.
Linecum made it by 9 days. Reynolds missed it by 1 day. Lincecum will make $8 mil plus a $2 mil bonus in 2010. Reynolds will make around $500K in 2010.
If you reverse the situation, then Lincecum would make less than $1 mil in 2010………while Reynolds would easily get over $5 mil.
Starting or delaying one’s arbitration clock just doesnt affect one year. It affects subsequent years because arbitration automatically awards raises based on play AND previous year’s salary.
Because of his Super 2 status, Tim Lincecum will not only make $10 mil this year ($8 mil salary plus $2 mil bonus), but he’ll be making $13 mil next year. If Lincecum had not qualified as a Super 2 this year………..do you really think that he would be making $13 mil next year?
If Lincecum continues his success, what do you think his salaries will be in years 2012 and 2013? What kind of free agent contract do you think he will be able to command after the 2013 season? It’s mind boggling what this kid could end up making……..all because of his success AND his Super 2 status.
If Jason Heyward turns out to be the real deal, his salaries will escalate in a similar fashion, unless the Braves can delay his clock in the same fashion that they delayed Tommy Hanson.
Some of you keep bringing up Brian McCann’s contract. However, he was brought up in early June of 2005. At the end of 2005, the Braves still had 3 full seasons over him before he was eligible for arbitration. Isnt it prudent to reason that having 3 seasons instead of 3 helped give the Braves some leverage in signing McCann to the hometown discount contract?
It is naive and foolish to assume that Heyward is going to automatically give the Braves a hometown discount if they dont delay his arbitration clock………just because he is a nice guy, lol. The money that this kid could end up making will be too much for him to ignore. After all, he’s HUMAN, lol.
Just Pat
March 9th, 2010
6:44 pm
OK….guy-o-s…..headed home to watch the game. Y’all play nice!
Glen W
March 9th, 2010
6:45 pm
So, does anyone think Halladay holds anything back tonight?
TnBrian
March 9th, 2010
6:46 pm
Glen W, Halladay could hold back and still be the best these hitters have seen all spring, by far.
Glen W
March 9th, 2010
6:46 pm
Ghost – “Maybe some of you guys will understand it this way”
I’m still not seeing it… need a much longer post to explain to this simple man…
Heath
March 9th, 2010
6:48 pm
Glen W -
At least another 10-12 paragraphs, huh?
The Ghost of P.L.
March 9th, 2010
6:49 pm
wjones…………dude, you truly dont understand what I’ve been saying. It has nothing to do with whether Jason Heyward is ready. In fact, I feel that he is probably ready to hit ML pitching and have a decent year for us.
Even if he were to flop, I would not say “I told you so”…….because my argument isnt that he isnt ready.
My argument all along has been the financial ramifications (super 2 status, free agency, raises in arbitration, etc.) that starting Heyward with the big club on Opening Day would bring. If I was looking at just this year, the move would be to start Heyward and trade Cabrera.
However, I would like to see the Braves be able to afford building a team around Heyward in future years. Having him and Tommy Hanson both eligible for arbitration after 2012 is a frightening prospect.
Tomahawkin
March 9th, 2010
6:49 pm
wjones…
I know wrist injuries are hard to recover from ( hence the Infante injury last year) but Schafer was an overrated prospect who got pushed to bigs too early because our Cheap owners were reluctant to spend money and get a decent OF bat…
Daslied
March 9th, 2010
6:52 pm
Financial discussions…Steve agreeing with Coach…no Dave Matthews posts…
What is going on here? Well, at least Paul is still a jackass. Thanks, Paul!
Ronald Millsaps
March 9th, 2010
6:52 pm
The last thing we need to do with a raw talent like Jason Heyward or any other player is to take a studious individual and try to distract him from the mental and physical preparation that are so instrumental in his already-impressive accomplishments and start padding the heck out of his ego, so I’m hardly impressed with the logic of this “J-Hey Kid” talk.
Stay focused, Mr. Heyward.
David O'Brien
March 9th, 2010
6:52 pm
John10, funny you mentioned the raccoon. I was in the little gym at our rental condo last night, on the first floor next to pool deck. It was 11 p.m. and pool was closed, nobody on deck … except two large raccoons. They were climbing into the garbage can and wandering around looking for snacks that people had dropped. Big arse raccoons, I might add.