Jurrjens progressing, Schafer “a process”

Dark Star, Fla. – Just watched an impressive batting-practice session pitched by what I believe will be the Braves’ opening-day starter, Tim Hudson, and now watching what appears to be the younger, slimmer brother of Braves left-hander Eric O’Flaherty.

Doesn't it look like Saito and K.K. are lining up a putt?

Doesn't it look like Saito and K.K. are lining up a putt? (Phil Skinner/AJC)

Actually it’s O’Flaherty. Dropped a lot of weight in the offseason, and he really does look several years younger because of it. The face, you know? How some guys (or girls) lose 5-10 pounds and a disproportionate amount of it seems to have come off their cheeks and neck? No? I should get more sleep? OK, noted.

Anyway …

Hey, take this as a good early omen for the Braves if you want to: Two days in a row, I woke to rain and completely socked-in, nasty conditions here. Only to see the rain cease in plenty of time for the field to dry and the Braves to have batting practice on the main ‘yard here at ESPN Wide World of Family Fun Sports Entertainment Youth Athletic Leagues Cost Parents A Fortune Exposition/Recreation Center. Or something like that.

But seriously, a few things of interest on this second day of full-squad workouts:

Jurrjens, here running in a workout this week, has made steady progress in return from shoulder inflammation.

Jurrjens, here running in a workout this week, has made steady progress in return from shoulder inflammation. (Phil Skinner/AJC)

♣ J.J. is getting better: Jair Jurrjens told me this morning his pitching shoulder feels better and he’s expected to do some long-toss today. That’s obviously good news for him and the Braves, who’d like to have the 15-game winner be able to make his first Grapefruit League start only a week late, perhaps even sooner than that.

Jurrjens gave everyone a scare when he had soreness and tightness after reporting early to camp about 10 days ago, after feeling a twinge or pop in his shoulder when he made a submarine-style, across-the-body throw during a loosely run game in Curacao before he left for Florida.

He said he’s learned from that and will be more careful in the future. Fortunately, he learned without paying a big price, or at least it seems that way now.

After a week of rest and rehab, he played catch two times in the past three days. The shoulder has improved significantly each day, and if the long-toss goes well, it’s safe to say Jurrjens might be only a week or so behind the other pitchers.

He’s been throwing off a mound since December, a little longer than most of the starters other than Hudson, and that might end up helping him if he’s able to quickly bump his program back up and get in the rotation without missing more than one turn when Grapefruit League play starts Tuesday against the Mets in Port St. Lousy, Fla.

♣ Jordan Schafer update: Tattoos now cover each arm from elbow to shoulder, and it’s intricate work with faces of angels and all kinds of … no, wait. This isn’t a tatt update. It’s a serious update on the kid’s progress after surgery for a broken left hand, an injury that ruined his 2009 season.

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Schafer is listening to advice in his comeback. (Phil Skinner/AJC)

Schafer got the cast off before Christmas and has been hitting and doing everything else. But he’s still got quite a ways to before the hand is back to full strength, and it seems obvious he’ll spend at least the first part of the season shaking off the rust and regaining his stroke at Triple-A Gwinnett.

“Truthfully, I’m not worried about it at all,” he said. “Whatever they want to do. I just want to be healthy. If I’m healthy, I know my talent and my skills. I know I’m good enough to play when I’m healthy. I just need to make sure I’m healthy.”

And that’s why he didn’t hit today. The hand’s a bit sore, tired. Trainers suggested he chill for a day. He agreed, without a fight this time.

“It’s good,” he said of the overall status of his surgically repaired hand. “But I still need to get some strength back in there. Like where I had surgery, all that feels really good. There’s no pain in it at all. It’s just my hand’s still weak. I was in the cast so long, I have to do the rehab stuff every day, all kinds of stuff.

“It’s all in my joint, and my hand, you can tell this part [points to inside edge of palm] isn’t like thick like this is here [points to other hand]. It’s just going to take time.

“I have to watch it. I’ll hit off the tee to try to warm up, then I’ll take, like, 20 swings and I’ll stop. I’m trying not to push it too much. We’ve got six weeks, so….”

The atrophy that set in while he was in a cast is something that takes some time to get past, and his hand gets fatigued when he’s done a fraction of the workload he could always handle before.

“His hand … it’s weak,” manager Bobby Cox said. “He’s having — not a setback – he’s just sore from starting out again. He’s just kind of taking it easier. Today he’s not hitting at all. It’s gonna be a process for him just about all spring.

“We want him to be ready for the season, whatever it takes.”

The Braves would like to have Schafer ready for the majors by midseason. Overdoing things now, trying to rush to get back by opening day wouldn’t be wise, especially since they already have Nate McLouth in center field and could be set in left (Matt Diaz, Melky Cabrera) and right if Jason Heyward is ready to take over in right.

“Schafe last year unfortunately broke his hand, and played with it,” Cox said. “It really wasn’t fair to him. I was kind of selfish, I left him in there because of his defense. I thought we’d hit enough to get by. But at any rate, we’ve got a little more depth in the outfield with Melky Cabrera.”

Schafer is one who always followed the work-harder take-more-batting-practice philosophy, fix things by working until they’re ironed out. But he’s learned, after trying to play with that hand injury last season, that there are some things you can’t ignore.

And Schafer knows it would be a mistake to ignore what his body’s telling him and try to get his hand strength back by just swinging and swinging in the batting cages.

♣ J.R. House signed: If you’re interested, there’s a short blog separate that I filed earlier. Yes, he’s the former stud high school quarterback. No, he’s not going to make this team, barring a series of injuries. He’s a 30-year-old journeyman catcher/corner infielder who provides minor-league depth.

Alright, got to get down to the field for end of batting practice and then to the clubhouse.

♣ Diversions: I’m going to try to find the new Johnny Cash CD this afternoon, if there’s a decent retail place that sells it within 10 miles of Dark Star. They closed the Virgin Records store that used to be over at Disney (thanks all you download-only customers for ruining the record industry; OK, only kidding. Sort of). Anyway, let’s go out with some blues on a cloudy day.

The legendary Albert King had a hit with this:

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“THAT’S WHAT THE BLUES IS ALL ABOUT” by R. Patterson,  J. Strickland

Oh you come home one evenin’

To nothin’ but the four walls

And then ya find your phone been disconnected

You can’t even make no call

Ya hung out for your baby, oh, an’ she’s not there

You look in the closet, buddy, an’ you find it’s all bare

Oh, that’s what the blues is people

That’s what the blues is all about

Well that’s a hard pill to have to swallow, um!

When you find what the blues is all about

Now listen to this:

I went out to my backyard

Ya know I whistled for my dog [3 whistle sounds]

He ran up under the house, people

Like he didn’t even know me at all

Now I hadn’t fed him in two or three days

An’ he was lookin’ kinda thin

Oh, when your dog turn his back on ya, buddy

You know ya haven’t even got a friend

That’s the blues, people

That’s what the blues is all about

Oh it’s a hard pill to swallow, um!

When ya find out what the blues is all about

Oh, look out!

Uh!

Oh no!

I think I got ‘em!

I went out to my mailbox

I got a bunch o’ bills that I can’t pay

I guess my wife been out shoppin’ again

While I been at work all day

I see the man comin’ with his tools

Now is he gonna cut off my water?

You know they got my gas yesterday

An’ they comin’ right back for the lines tomorrow

Ah, that’s what the blues is people

That’s what the blues is all about

Well that’s a hard pill to swallow, buddy

Oh, when you find out what the blues is all about

696 comments Add your comment

Jared

February 24th, 2010
12:45 pm

Braves win the world series this year over the yankees in 6!

Heath

February 24th, 2010
12:47 pm

Bernanke = One smart dude.

atlwolf

February 24th, 2010
12:49 pm

Why in the world is Chris Resop back on the Braves? I don’t care how hard he throws, the last time he was here, he couldn’t locate to save his own life. Remember that game where Bobby put him in left field for one out, then put him back on the mound (even though he had already struggled that inning), where he promptly gave up a go-ahead RBI single to Xavier Nady? I was at that game, and that is still the most mind-boggling move I’ve ever witnessed at a baseball game. Urgh…

bigchiefrg

February 24th, 2010
12:49 pm

First? By the way, I am pretty sure that is schafer getting some advice.

Ignatius J. Reilly

February 24th, 2010
12:53 pm

good to hear JJ is going to be ok

bigchiefrg

February 24th, 2010
12:54 pm

Didnt mean that as a nitpick, just trying to help out…

Great quotes from 6 on Schafer. Explains a lot. Also highlighting once again why Bobby is so revered by the players. Does everything he can to take the blame when someone doesnt succeed.

TnBrian

February 24th, 2010
12:54 pm

“I was kind of selfish” Bobby Cox

Well, he is a good CF and what were the other alternatives at the time … Blanco? But, yeah, that wasn’t really right.

Prime Time

February 24th, 2010
12:55 pm

maybe it’s Melky

sidslidkid

February 24th, 2010
1:00 pm

Nice song choice DOB!

Nelson S.

February 24th, 2010
1:00 pm

Smitty

February 24th, 2010
1:01 pm

I really think that the Schafer we all saw in the first series of the season was the real Schafer. Doing that against the Phils isn’t a fluke he was fine the first 3 games of the season and then the pop happened and after that he was missing everything. He wil be back roaming center midseason w/ Nate either being traded or pushed to left; if Nate is pushed to left then one of Diaz/Melky is headed elsewhere…as much as I love Diaz I think it’d be smarter to keep Melky because for one he’s got a gun for an arm is above average in the field has good speed he’s younger then Diaz and he’s a switch hitter. Just my opinion though

Jeff R

February 24th, 2010
1:01 pm

I don’t think we need to worry about Resop maknig the big club. Just a little extra depth in the minors and, who knows, maybe he’s matured a little since he last wore a Braves’ uniform.

thinbreakness

February 24th, 2010
1:01 pm

Love that photo of Saito and Kawakami. These two are going to make their countrymen proud.

Mr. Rogers

February 24th, 2010
1:05 pm

Is it just me or is there no spark this year for the Braves, Im not excited at all which stinks…I guess cause we didnt get any big bats this year and gave up Javier.

DOB TRUTHFULLY isnt this team just another 3rd place team? I mean what have they done to honestly make themselves better this year? Its seems they actually took a step back.

Benjamin

February 24th, 2010
1:05 pm

Might want to correct the caption under Jordan’s picture with TP, DOB. Unless Jair’s skin color has really lightened that much… ;)

Great read, as per the usual.

Smitty

February 24th, 2010
1:08 pm

I have 4 more slots open for my fantasy league leave me a message on the blog I’ll send you an invite I need an e-mail address too

bvillebaron

February 24th, 2010
1:08 pm

David:

Nice to see your comments about Hudson. I didn’t necessarily want to see Vazquez get traded but since it ultimately came down to an either/or situation, keeping Hudson over Vazquez was a “no brainer”.

O.J.

February 24th, 2010
1:09 pm

Mr. Rogers, nope, thats just you feeling that way. I for one am super excited.

reason

February 24th, 2010
1:10 pm

Mr. Rogers,

You have no excitement about having the #1 prospect in baseball in camp with the likelihood of him being the starting right fielder?

thinbreakness

February 24th, 2010
1:11 pm

Smitty-
If Schafer is the real deal, and I think he is, it’s a tough call. I think Diaz and Cabrera are under control this year and next. McLouth is under control this year, next year and 10.65 option for third. If you don’t intend to pick up McLouth’s option, then all is equal. Having Schafer and Heyward in the OF, seems you’d want the righty and the switch hitter for balance. If Schafer has the highest OBP, IMO, this is the guy you start especially with the superior defense.

Chopper

February 24th, 2010
1:11 pm

I’m starting to become a believer in Frank Wren. Two years ago the level of starting pitching had dropped significantly. So Wren set out to make starting pitching the strength of the team. He signed Lowe and Kawakami, traded for Javier Vasquez and the farm system brought along Tommy Hanson and Kris Medlen. The rotation was deep and very good.

Now this offseason he’s dually improved the depth of the OF and the bullpen. Signing Wagner, Saito and Proctor, trading for Chavez and Dunn, and the farm system is bringing along Craig Krimbell to go along with holdovers, Moylan, O’Flaherty (with Medlen as the long man and backup starter). Plus you’ve got guys like Lee Hyde and Jose Ortegano (highly spoken of by Eddie Perez) on the fringe ready to take a spot in the event of injury or ineffectiveness. Much different from years past when the last bullpen spots went to guys just because they were without options.

He spun off Vasquez to save money, build organizational depth in Arodys Vizcaino and also add a versatile switch hitting OF who plays all three spots. He started last year with adding McLouth in a trade, and now Jason Heyward is set to join Diaz and the others in Atlanta. Plus you have Jordan Schafer poised to get his career back on track by mid season. That’s depth and that’s options.

And I feel this week they made a move to add depth to the IF of the organization, by signing the 18 year old SS from the D.R. If he’s starting out in Rome or Myrtle Beach as DOB reported, then he is very advanced for 18. (Heyward, McCann and Schafer for example didn’t even start in Rome.) So he could be in the mix to replace Chipper at 3B or at SS if Escobar slides over.

So I think Wren has the Braves tracking in the right direction, even if the payroll is not tracking upwards.

Dylan Kight

February 24th, 2010
1:12 pm

I really like the new Johnny Cash. It clocks in at about 32 minutes. It’s a pretty easy listen. It’s not going to rival his first 3 American recording records, but it is a humble solid set. I think you will appreciate it. The 4th one was really good especially The Man Comes Around and Hurt. In my opinion it wasn’t as solid all the way through as the first 3.

Ed

February 24th, 2010
1:13 pm

i wonder how bobby will post the lineup for their first spring training game its only 6 days away against the mets

DAP

February 24th, 2010
1:15 pm

atlwolf Remember that game where Bobby put him [resop] in left field for one out, then put him back on the mound

i dont remember it being resop but i remember the game and the move. very shrewd managing by a guy with a short bullpen. i loved it.

mr. rogers I mean what have they done to honestly make themselves better this year?

*sigh*….does that really need to be rehashed? go back and read some old blogs.

joerochester

February 24th, 2010
1:18 pm

Man, I can’t keep up with all these updates. It’s awesome!

thinbreakness

February 24th, 2010
1:19 pm

Copper-
The guy has rebuilt the organization that was destroyed by the injuries of Hampton, Smoltz and Glavine as well as the trades for Drew and Texeria. You cannot underestimate the toll these transactions took on the organizational strength as a whole. Never again under Frank. He values his prospects.

Fischerking04

February 24th, 2010
1:19 pm

Dylan Kight—The only problem I had with Cash covering “Hurt” was that my philosophy has always been that if you can’t remake a song at least as good as the original then you shouldn’t do it at all. His version was entertaining enough, but not close to the NiN original.

Great read DOB, as usual. I love this time of year when there is actaul baseball stuff to talk about instead of everyone just shooting out names of people we should trade for.

DAP

February 24th, 2010
1:24 pm

fischerking His [cash's] version was entertaining enough, but not close to the NiN original.

youre right, Cash’s version wasnt close tot he NiN version….he left it in the dust.

Dylan Kight

February 24th, 2010
1:26 pm

Fischerking04 – I respectfully disagree. I thought the NiN version was very good. I thought the Cash version stole the show. But I think it says a lot about the song that both versions can be appreciated by music fans.

thinbreakness

February 24th, 2010
1:27 pm

Dylan-
great point – not every thing is so absolute.

TnBrian

February 24th, 2010
1:27 pm

Escobar- 14th on these people’s list of fantasy SS—

http://www.rotoauthority.com/2010/02/shortstop-rankings.html

Mark Biles

February 24th, 2010
1:28 pm

Let’s hope KK and Saito have a better year than Toyota is having so far.

Chopper

February 24th, 2010
1:28 pm

Oh and did I forget to mention that Frank Wren’s first trade was to send Edgar Renteria to Detroit for Jair Jurrjens and Gorkys Hernandez (who was spun out for Nate McLouth).

civilized white trash

February 24th, 2010
1:28 pm

fisherking04

i completely disagree i think cash knocked it out of the ball park where NIN struggled with their own song. but to each is ther own.

thinbreakness

February 24th, 2010
1:30 pm

Dylan-
I could argue that i much prefer your version of “Watchtower” to Hendrix. After all, you wrote the song, but Hendrix really beefed it up.

Dylan Kight

February 24th, 2010
1:31 pm

Hendrix owns that – I thought the verdict was already out?!

thinbreakness

February 24th, 2010
1:31 pm

Chopper-
No argument here, the guy has done his job extremely well.

thinbreakness

February 24th, 2010
1:33 pm

Dylan-
Well yes according to Robert Zimmerman, but I still like his version with the harmonica instead of the guitar. Like I said, Hendrix really pumped some “roids” into his version.

Fischerking04

February 24th, 2010
1:33 pm

Cash strummed 3 chords and didn’t do anything to enhance it IMO. NiN used so much depth and twisting notes that coincided with the “hurt” that the song talks about. I’m not bashing Cash because I really enjoy most of his music. But his version of that song was closer to something an ametuer would play next to a campfire. Not only did he not add, but he left out a lot of the most impactful notes/sounds in the song. However, the video that Cash made for it was extremely compelling.

Reid in EAV

February 24th, 2010
1:34 pm

Resop may be a lot better than the last stint, but I confess I can’t escape the backwards name I always tagged him with when he jogged in from the ‘pen: “poseR.”

Venice Jim

February 24th, 2010
1:35 pm

Tommy Hanson on 680 right now…

Glen W

February 24th, 2010
1:36 pm

Mr. Rogers,

Thirs place team, really? Let’s compare. OK, anyone can make the argument that the Phillies and Cardinals are better teams right now. But apart from them is there another team that is clearly better? I think you have to put the Braves right there with the Marlins, Dodgers, Giants and Rockies as team that could pan out to be at least the third best team in the NL.

And when you consider that the Braves were one of the better teams in the second half last year (after Frency and Kelly were worked out of the line-up) and when you consider that Hanson and Heyward are clearly two of the elite young players in the league… how can a Braves fan not be excited?

That’s just me…

thinbreakness

February 24th, 2010
1:37 pm

Fischer-
I didn’t mind your opinion until you equated Cash to an ametuer. Lets see NIN – Cash, Is Trent Renzor still making music?

joerochester

February 24th, 2010
1:38 pm

Fischer-
I didn’t mind your opinion until you equated Cash to an ametuer. Lets see NIN – Cash, Is Trent Renzor still making music?

I think he just came out with a new album not long ago.

sportsmandh

February 24th, 2010
1:40 pm

Glen W,
Agree on the Phillies, and the Dodgers, Giants, and Rockies as strong contenders. Not as much on the Cards and Marlins.

Outside of Pujols and Holliday, where do you think the Cards are better than the Braves. Compare pitching staffs. Overall the Braves are significantly stronger imo, especially bullpen wise. Other than the Cards being in a weaker division, I don’t think they’re as strong a contender for the pennant.

I’m not sold on the Marlins. I think they are good, but for some reason I think they’re going to have some drop off. I’m not sold on the pitching staff outside of Johnson at all. They are very solid offensively, but if you look at the whole team I say the Braves are stronger.

McDT

February 24th, 2010
1:40 pm

TnBrian: Re your nickname suggestion on the other blog….good one, ‘cept it is pronounced Mc”Donna” not Mc”Dunna”.

As an aside, my daughter played FP Softball for a rival Henry County school when Heyward was at Henry High and all the girls called him the “Henry Hunk” — which he may not want to hear in the locker room…

Fischerking04

February 24th, 2010
1:41 pm

I didn’t in fact equate Cash to an ametuer. I said that version of that remake of that song had no intracacy to it. I also stated that I liked Cash and enjoy most of his music. Take from it what you will but you are mistaken. You took one word out of context and gave it new meaning. Maybe you should run for office.

Dylan Kight

February 24th, 2010
1:41 pm

What made the recording compelling for me was the honesty. You can reduce any singer songwriter down to a campfire strum along. But it is the conviction that he gave it that brought me in. Reznor agrees. Not to take away from what you’re saying or anything.But when a songwriter or musician says that someone else now owns it because of a superior version(in there opinion). That speaks volumes. Especially a guy as respected as Reznor.

TnBrian

February 24th, 2010
1:43 pm

McDT, well damn. Nevermind then. You sure it’s not pronouced “Mc’Dunna”?

Ozzie

February 24th, 2010
1:43 pm

I think like all fans we should be optimistic about this club at this time of the year. More so because we have strong pitching and what could be a nasty pen.

That said the wild cards was and still is the offense.

We need all the question marks (more or less) to fall our way for this dog to hunt.

The real test will be our first two series against the Phillies. You will truly know what you have when you play the best team in the division and one that is pencilled in by many to go to the WS again.

ST is all about getting in shape, refining technique and wild fan optimism – which is a past time in and of itself.

Glen W

February 24th, 2010
1:45 pm

sportsmandh (1:40 PM)

For me Pujols make the Cardinals better, especially if Chipper is not able to perform at a higher level than last year. Compare the other 24 players on each team, and I think they are evenly matched, but Pujols is that much of a differentiator, in my view.

As for the Marlins, I have no idea what to expect… but I thought they deserved to at least be in the conversation because of what they accomplished last year. I also don’t know what to expect from the Giants, but with that pitching staff…

Fischerking04

February 24th, 2010
1:46 pm

Dylan- I understand and as I think we’ve both said, it’s just differing opinion. And in this case it sounds like I even disagree with the songwriter himself. As they say “to each his own” , I suppose.

Boog Sciambi

February 24th, 2010
1:47 pm

Attention Braves Fans. Booger, here, letting you know that nobody is calling the front office for season tickets!!! Where you at?

Stone

February 24th, 2010
1:47 pm

DOB I couldn’t agree w/ you more about the “download only” jack balls that ruined the record industry.

thinbreakness

February 24th, 2010
1:47 pm

Fischer-
You’re right – IMO, the song needed less intracacy. Very raw emotions, ripping holes in flesh, I mean the words alone don’t lend itself to any overpowering instrumantation, just the incredible depth of a voice that conveys the emotions.

dpelfrey

February 24th, 2010
1:48 pm

The chances of Resop making the club are slim unless a few people get hurt. He’s a non-roster invite, so they would have to make room for him, which could get a little tricky. He would need to provide significantly more value than the next guy who’s already on the 40-man.

Thrillhouse44

February 24th, 2010
1:48 pm

J.R. House signed…No, he’s not going to make this team DOB

So, there’s no chance I’m getting a House jersey? Way to crush my dream, man.

DAP

February 24th, 2010
1:49 pm

fischerking Cash strummed 3 chords and didn’t do anything to enhance it IMO

my jaw just dropped when i read that. what the crap!?! to each his own and all that, but what the heck!?! your post does not compute, buddy.

Mitchell

February 24th, 2010
1:50 pm

So is anybody buying opening day tickets or what? We’re playing the Cubs. I mean, we’ll probably beat them but we do we want their fans to outnumber us? It’ll probably happen anyway.

McDT

February 24th, 2010
1:50 pm

TnBrian: Yup, live here and only hear it that way in some really bad TV commercials….but, if he makes the bigs this year, the city officials would probably change it to make it match a cool NN!!!!

thinbreakness

February 24th, 2010
1:51 pm

Boog S-
If that’s really you Dude, You will be sorely missed this year. I enjoyed your broadcast very much. Thanx a ton and great luck!

Fischerking04

February 24th, 2010
1:51 pm

thinbreakness—I agree with the power of the lyrics. And possbly that’s why I enjoyed the video from Cash so much (if you didn’t see it, it is a video of people close to him that he’s lost over the years).

Side Note: NiN released an album a couple of months ago and let people download it for free from thier site. Reznor seems like a really generous dude.

thinbreakness

February 24th, 2010
1:52 pm

McDT-
Are you originally from McDonough?

DawgDad

February 24th, 2010
1:53 pm

I’m of the opinion the Braves have backstepped this offseason, and are probably 2-3 years away from seriously competing for the Division crown.

They are relying on too many old heads to stay healthy and contribute, and the crop of kids aside from Heyward isn’t quite ready yet. They have some players that could improve; specifically McLouth, McCann, and Escobar, and Prado defensively, but that collection alone can’t carry the team.

Chipper, Glaus, Hudson, Lowe, Saito, Kawakami, and Wagner may have some life left, but they are all on the downhill side with a realistic expectation of significant physical and performance issues.

Last year was the year they could and should have stolen a title, but Chipper collapsed down the stretch and took the team down with him. This is a third or fourth place team on paper, though I don’t expect them to be significantly sub-.500 unless Chipper and Glaus both tank simultaneously. If that happens they’ll be competing with the Nat’s.

Brinson

February 24th, 2010
1:53 pm

Mr. Rogers..did you watch the team that we ended the season with last year? That offense was one of the best in baseball, if not the best, when it came to scoring runs, coupled with our excellent pitching staff. Now, moving on to this year, we will have a full season of Prado at 2nd, and a replacement for Francoeur in RF. I am going to call Glaus/LaRoche a wash at this point because I feel like either one would give us the same production. As for the pitching staff, we are going to have an improved Derek Lowe, a full year of Huddy, along with a full year of Hanson and an improving Kawakami. Our bullpen is leaps and bounds better than last year having a ton of depth from everywhere in the franchise. Also, this is probably one of the deepest teams, benchwise, in the league. We replaced Greg Norton with Eric Hinske who is a very nice piece as our primary pinch-hitter, along with Melky Cabrera being able to play any of the OF positions in a pinch (better than having Gregor Blanco or Reid Gorecki filling in), with a healthy Infante to boot. So to say our team isn’t better, or in fact worse than last year is just..stupid.

Fischerking04

February 24th, 2010
1:54 pm

DAP—I am a guitarist. I knew how to play Cash’s version before ever picking up a guitar. Dylan said it best that it’s more about his voice singing the words. His guitar didn’t lend much to the song as far as adding his own element to it.

Larry

February 24th, 2010
1:55 pm

Thanks for the update, Dave. I cant wait for the game blogs.

/Mets suck

thinbreakness

February 24th, 2010
1:55 pm

DawgDad-
The Braves don’t play in the SEC. They’ll probably stay reasonably healthy and with the depth, they may suprise you and actually beat the Gators or I mean the Fillies.

dpelfrey

February 24th, 2010
1:56 pm

That’s a great breakdown DawgDad…did you also know that the end of the world is coming in 2012, so your 2-3 year away projection doesn’t mean a whole lot.

atlwolf

February 24th, 2010
1:57 pm

DAP:

The game was on April 3rd, 2008 against the Pirates. Resop started the inning and allowed two walks, putting a runner in scoring position. Bobby switched him to left field to allow Royce Ring to pitch to Adam LaRoche. After Ring struck out LaRoche, Resop retook the mound and allowed the go-ahead single to Nady. The Braves lost the game 4-3. Shrewd, yes, but it doesn’t make sense to keep a struggling pitcher in the game in that kind of situation, especially after he had walked two consecutive batters and with a known Braves-killer (Nady) coming up to hit.

TennesseePaul

February 24th, 2010
1:57 pm

ruth be told, the overwhelming majority of veteran NRIs make for better stories than ballplayers. Most eventually will wash out of the game with little or no impact in the majors. But the reason clubs keep handing out these golden tickets is the chance that one of them turns out like the NRI who came to Pirates camp last year. The guy was 27 years old, a 14th round pick 10 years earlier, and already had been released by the Atlanta Braves and cut loose by the Minnesota Twins. He had just 77 at-bats in the majors, none since 2007, and a .208 batting average. He had logged almost 1,000 games in the minors. He had played first base and the outfield without distinction. He didn’t make the Opening Day roster. But the Pirates called him up July 1. Former NRI Garrett Jones went on to hit more home runs (21) than any rookie in baseball while slugging .522.
Jimmy Gobble, SI

TennesseePaul

February 24th, 2010
1:57 pm

Oops. That’s Heyman, not Jimmy Gobble…

TennesseePaul

February 24th, 2010
1:58 pm

Damnit all. Verducci. Not Heyman or Gobble, Fudd, or Rham.

D.K.

February 24th, 2010
1:58 pm

Long time reader of this blog ( great work DOB ), first time poster. Chopper, wanted you to know I think you are right on with your 1:11 post. Plus, I think Bobby Cox has been an outstanding manager but since I am a couple years older than he is, I can say there comes a time to retire. His time is now and I wish him well and plan to be there to see his last games. Bought my tickets this morning and it was too easy on line. Good luck Braves in 2010 as I feel it will be a good year. Congrats for the great day yesterday Lew with your time with the Braves.

smitty

February 24th, 2010
1:58 pm

More complicated does not make a better song.

DAP

February 24th, 2010
1:59 pm

sportsmandh Other than the Cards being in a weaker division, I don’t think they’re as strong a contender for the pennant.

i sure do. if they can get to the postseason (hard to imagine that not happening) they have a good chance to win it all.

Daslied

February 24th, 2010
2:00 pm

Not a Nine Inch Nails fan at all, but I have no problem with them/him. I do, however, love the Cash version of “Hurt”. The marriage of the lyrics and weary voice are just startling – in Cash’s hands it simply became a dying man’s confessional. The subtleties are what makes it so great – the piano, alternately booming and pulsing…the ethereal noise buildup at the end…the slight vocal distortion on the “If I could start again” line…the ending release on the one positive lyric in the song.

It’s just a great piece of interpretation, if you ask me.

David O'Brien

February 24th, 2010
2:00 pm

Cox after watching 6-5, 235-pound OF Cody Johnson hit Thursday: “He is a beast.”

But he’s also a whiff machine. Still, he made some progress last season and, as Frank Wren says, you can’t teach what he has. Immense power.

He hit .239 with 32 HRs, 180 strikeouts, 69 BB, .342 OBP and whopping .500 slugging in high-A and Double-A in 2009.

McDT

February 24th, 2010
2:02 pm

thinbreak:
Nope, but been here for 20+ years, grew up in a little NC town — hubby is originally from here though.

David O'Brien

February 24th, 2010
2:02 pm

Daslied, have you heard what Trent Reznor (NIN) said after hearing Cash’s cover of hurt? Reznor had supposedly been a little concerned or uneasy about Cash doing the song. But when Reznor heard Cash’s cover, he was so awed that he said that wasn’t his song anymore. It was Johnny’s.

EAK

February 24th, 2010
2:06 pm

What’s the deal with the dateline being from Dark Star, Fla? Isn’t the Braves spring training camp in Kissimee? No city I know of around there called Dark Star? Perhaps a stupid question, but it has been bugging me all day.

cabravesfan

February 24th, 2010
2:07 pm

Daslied-

Have you heard Trent Reznor’s stripped down version that they play on the radio? It’s really good (as good as the Cash version, which I absolutely love)

(I apologize if this has already been addressed- too busy to do more then a quick scroll back through the blog – yes, even one page of it ;) )

DAP

February 24th, 2010
2:07 pm

fischerking I am a guitarist. I knew how to play Cash’s version before ever picking up a guitar

what cash song cant you know how to play before picking up a guitar? what does that have to do with anything? nothing, thats what.

Dylan said it best that it’s more about his voice singing the words.

yeah, which is why cash’s version is superior. thats what its all about with cash. the music is good, but its not mind blowing. its basic, blue collar, everyday and real. cash’s delivery is what its all about in all of his music. thats why cash is who he is.

His guitar didn’t lend much to the song as far as adding his own element to it.

huh? if it didnt help add his own element, why doesnt the song sound just like NiN except with cash’s voice? why didnt he just sing over the NiN track? it aint karaoke dude. the song is uniquely johnny cash. the above statement is false.

cabravesfan

February 24th, 2010
2:08 pm

DOB-

Didn’t see those comments from Reznor, but I have heard him praise Cash’s version :)

tiger297

February 24th, 2010
2:09 pm

I believe Dark Star = Epcot Center looks like the Death Star from Star Wars…

ugaaccountant

February 24th, 2010
2:10 pm

Cash’s Hurt was genius. It’s what made me appreciate him as an artist.

TnBrian

February 24th, 2010
2:10 pm

What do they feed these kids? It’s like if a guy’s 6′0, 200 lbs than he’s small. So many of baseball’s rising stars are huge. Heyward,Freeman,Hanson,Bruce,Gordon,etc.

DOB, is Heyward in any way arrogant or is it more confidence in your opinion? Thanks.

bigchiefrg

February 24th, 2010
2:10 pm

Something that I would like explained if anyone can take a stab…If Saito was not in the game (and assuming he doesnt need a translator), could he go to the mound with Roger to talk to KK and translate if needed. Now I understand that he needs to be in the bull pen and all that jazz but I dont think it would be a problem to get from the dugout to the pen in most parts right? What are the rules side of that?

Daslied

February 24th, 2010
2:12 pm

DOB, I did hear that. Nice of Trent to say – it’s got to be hard to admit such a thing. I’m fascinated by this sort of debate – cover vs. original. I’ve had years-long argument with a friend over “Song To The Siren” by Tim Buckley. He prefers the This Mortal Coil version; I think he’s nuts.

Ah, important topics…

Smitty

February 24th, 2010
2:12 pm

EAK: I’m pretty sure it isn’t in Kissimee, the Braves spring training camp is held on the ESPN wide world of sports complex which is a part of Disney World…I’m not sure if Dark Star is the city or what not but that is the location DOB has been

thinbreakness

February 24th, 2010
2:13 pm

bigchief-
I’m guessing only McDowell can go otherwise the GT student may have made trips to the mound last year which is something I’d love to see.

Smitty

February 24th, 2010
2:15 pm

TnBrian: Its been said the Heyward is a very respectable kid he knows that he has an amazing talent but he isn’t the type to go and tell you he does he just lets what he does on the field do the talking

Steve McP

February 24th, 2010
2:15 pm

My recollection is that is was Boyer who had one at bat in left field because Bobby wanted to get match-ups with left and right handed hitters and was about out of pitching in the pen.

Ross

February 24th, 2010
2:15 pm

Damn DOB, you show a little too much interest in male “presentation”. Well I hope JS’s tatmania isn’t something that will be in my face constantly. I would be happy to be rid of him at this point for whatever he’s worth. I’m sort of sick of narcissists.

Larry

February 24th, 2010
2:15 pm

Cash might have taken over Hurt, but NIN’s “The Fragile” is an absolute masterpiece.

/Mets suck

David O'Brien

February 24th, 2010
2:16 pm

Braves signed 11 zero-to-three guys today, but none of them are the potentially interesting trio (Hanson, Jurrjens, Escobar).

Signed today: RHPs Manny Acosta, Jesse Chavez, Kyle Cofield, Jeff Lyman, Steve Marek, James Parr and Todd Redman; LHPs Jo-Jo Reyes and Jonny Venters; catcher Clint Sammons, and outfielder Gregor Blanco

W

February 24th, 2010
2:16 pm

Darkstar is just DOB’s nickname for the whole Disney, ESPN conglomeration down at kissimee

Fischerking04

February 24th, 2010
2:17 pm

“yeah, which is why cash’s version is superior. thats what its all about with cash. the music is good, but its not mind blowing. its basic, blue collar, everyday and real. cash’s delivery is what its all about in all of his music. thats why cash is who he is.”

I can only say that each person has their own opinion so many times. I even menitioned that Reznor even prefers the Cash version. I simply preferred the NiN version. Cash’s version was a stripped down version that lent more to the singing and the original was much more technical.

This is a unique one because I usually wouldn’t prefer the techy version. In this case I did.

civilized white trash

February 24th, 2010
2:18 pm

sidslidkid

February 24th, 2010
2:19 pm

It’s good to see Jesse Chavez on that list… not as much as it would be to see the big 3 though.

Chopshop

February 24th, 2010
2:19 pm

Chopshop

February 24th, 2010
2:20 pm

DOB

What do those 0-3 guys make if they are in the minors? Is it a different amount than the MLB minimum ?

Thrillhouse44

February 24th, 2010
2:21 pm

I’ve missed the “/Met’s suck” joke. Anyone mind filling the slow kid in?

Steve From Dalton

February 24th, 2010
2:21 pm

DOB- I am going to be in Orlando in March. The only free Day I have, the Braves are off. Will there be anything going on at camp that day? Will it just be minor leaguers or do some of the vets hang around and take BP, shag flies etc..

Hoosier Aaron

February 24th, 2010
2:24 pm

I’m glad to see Cody Johnson is getting some attention…he is a beast.

I saw him shatter a windshield in Lexington, KY a couple years ago while with Rome.

It was a foul ball down the line….but it was a long laser….as they say, “Anything flying that far should have a flight attendant on board.”

Let’s not forget…..Ryan Howard air-conditions the park about 190 times a year….but I think we’d all take him on our team.

jeffrey d

February 24th, 2010
2:24 pm

I don’t remember EOF being that big to begin with

Fischerking04

February 24th, 2010
2:25 pm

DAP—”the song is uniquely johnny cash.”

Interesting that you would use the words uniquely Johnny Cash on a song that he didn’t write. But that’s all I will drag that out. Back to spring training!

GovClintonTyree

February 24th, 2010
2:26 pm

Fischerking, if you’re not impressed with Johnny Cash’s Hurt, I have to wonder if you’re human. To me, it was a wrap on an extraordinary life of an extraordinary American. Very little in this world has moved me like that song and that video.

atlwolf

February 24th, 2010
2:26 pm

No, it was not Boyer. It was Resop. I was at the game, dude. Check Resop’s Wikipedia article if you don’t believe me.

thinbreakness

February 24th, 2010
2:28 pm

jeffrey d-
Hopefully it’ll be better for his back if you believe less weight is better for the knees and back. Or is that just with old and overweight guys like me?

Bay Area Steve

February 24th, 2010
2:28 pm

No joke Thrill.

Mets suck.

[...] Jurrjens told David O’Brien that his shoulder feels better. Also in the report was the revelation that Jordan Schafer’s [...]

Lew

February 24th, 2010
2:31 pm

Just to temper the Heyward fervor just a bit – before he hit those shots (how about The Rocket Launcher as a nickname), he hit about ten ground balls to 2B. He didn’t hit everything out of the park. Those two WERE impressive though, but he won’t hit 1.000 with 75 HR. Just thought you should know about it now.

Gil In Mechanicsville

February 24th, 2010
2:31 pm

There is a firstbaseman playing for the Phillies who has similar stats as Cody Johnson. I don’t think anyone would mind all that much having a guy that strikes out a lot when he has a high production ratio. You just have to realize that a guy who swings hard is susceptible to changing speeds. A some point you have to accept that a guy is either going to be a bopper or a dinker.

Now it’s great when you can have both but it’s pretty rare, especially now in the post steroid era…

smitty

February 24th, 2010
2:32 pm

I wouldn’t say the NIN version is more technical. It just has more dissonance, same skill level required to play either version, just slightly different tonality in certain areas. They are different interpretations and I think both are good.

David O'Brien

February 24th, 2010
2:32 pm

Lew is correct, and the homers came off a coach. Like others hitters, Heyward hit almost nothing hard against actual pitchers.

TennesseePaul

February 24th, 2010
2:33 pm

You know though, Cody hit .262/.358/.548/.906 with 43 XBH including 26 HR all the way up through July of 2009 last season. His August and September were atrocious…. he also compiled 128 K’s in that time as well. Whiff machine for sure. Probably Thorman out if he doesn’t get it under control.

David O'Brien

February 24th, 2010
2:33 pm

Good thing the workout’s over, because it would be ending now if it wasn’t. It’s gotten almost dark now and is starting to rain.

Daybed Wagmoe

February 24th, 2010
2:34 pm

DOB — In the original blog, you refer to Jair as a 15-game winner. He’s yet to win 15 games in a season. Last year he was 14-10, year before 13-10. Hopefully this year he will be a 15-game winner (or more) though!

Jesse Stone

February 24th, 2010
2:34 pm

It was definitely Resop. Resop was an outfielder early on in the Marlins system.

TennesseePaul

February 24th, 2010
2:34 pm

but he won’t hit 1.000 with 75 HR. Just thought you should know about it now

Damnit. First we learn Diorys goes down and now this??

DAP

February 24th, 2010
2:34 pm

atlwolf, hey man thats some great info there on your 1:57pm post. remember, i said i watched the game and remembered it well.

you forgot to put the game in context.

two games before this happened, the braves played a 12 innings game with the pirates in which every single bullpen pitcher was used.

the next day, the braves got a short outing from jair jurrjens and used 6 bullpen arms.

then, in the game you are referring to, guess who started the game? our friend jeff bennett, who pitched 4 innings, leave the rest of the 10 innings game to the bullpen.

i say again, bobby did some shrewd managing to save the guys in the bullpen while still try to pitch to the situation. i loved it.

Gil In Mechanicsville

February 24th, 2010
2:34 pm

Lew.. Kudos to you and your interaction with Bobby yesterday. Has to be a great feeling to be appreciated. I still display my Wurlitzer proudly…

RHR

February 24th, 2010
2:35 pm

Speaking of tickets…got 2 for opening day. Waited to buy them from the official site but the “best available” was in section 221 and thats too far out for me so I got them off stubhub for $49 each in one of the sections I like. Now I just hope I can go to the game lol.

Lew

February 24th, 2010
2:36 pm

Exactly – Many more shots are hit off of Chino Cadahia or Glenn Hubbard’s fastball than Lowe’s sinker or Mike Dunn’s fastball. BTW – Dunn’s looked pretty good, too. He’s keeping the ball down.

NCmike

February 24th, 2010
2:38 pm

If Heyward hit 1.000 wouldn’t he have hit like 500 HR??? I mean, I thought they were all going out of the park…

Gil In Mechanicsville

February 24th, 2010
2:38 pm

Actually, I will be more impressed with Heyward if ya’ll start reporting that he was spraying the ball to all parts of the field. Great to be able to hit the ball a long way but even better when you can deliver a well placed ball. You can always hit it where they ain’t but it improves your chances when they can’t gang up on you with an over shift.

Elon Brave

February 24th, 2010
2:38 pm

Question: which side will the Braves dugout be on for spring training?

Thrillhouse44

February 24th, 2010
2:39 pm

but he won’t hit 1.000 with 75 HR. Just thought you should know about it now. – Lew

Blasphemy!

Jesse Stone

February 24th, 2010
2:39 pm

[...] Jurrjens told David O’Brien that his shoulder feels better. Also in the report was the revelation that Jordan [...]

Willy Wally

February 24th, 2010
2:39 pm

Frenchy was never a very good baseball player, which is why he was traded for another guy who’s never been a very good baseball player (Ryan Church). Not sure what people mean when they talk about how “good” he was, unless they’re referring to his first 60 days in the majors.

Frenchy was 3 WAR in 2005, 1 WAR in 2006, 3.7 WAR in 2007. He averaged a 3.25 WAR for every 700 plate appearances during those 3 seasons combined. That kind of WAR indicates someone is a good baseball player, worth about 10 runs above an average player over every 700 plate appearances.

He averaged 2.4 WAR over every 700 plate appearances during the 2006 and 2007 seasons combined. That’s average, which itself is acceptably good.

And if you look at WPA, which measures his actual performance in given situations during those particular seasons, and substitute that performance for the more theoretical batting runs, his WAR in those seasons become slightly even better.

And Ryan Church actually is a good baseball player when he is healthy. The problem is he is never healthy. He’s got a wRC+ of 110, and has been worth 3.4 WAR for every 700 plate appearances in his career. Again, that is an above average player, which means he’s good.

He never, at any level of play after high school, learned how to get on base, recognize strikes from balls, etc. Not sure why we have to keep going over this. If you can’t get on base, you’re not a very good baseball player (unless you’re a pitcher). Period.

Yet he still somehow performed at a level significantly above average in 2005 and 2007, at a level above average in 2005, 2006, and 2007 combined, and at a level that was just average in 2006 and 2007 combined.

You actually can get on base at a rate below average and be a good baseball player if you run the bases better than average, are above average defensively, hit for a batting average above average, and/or slug the ball at a rate above average.

Frenchy didn’t do all those things above average, but he did enough of them above average to raise the level of his production in 2005 & 2007 individually to a level significantly above average, in 2005, 2006, and 2007 combined to a level above average, and in 2006 and 2007 combined to a level that was just average.

Snotboogie

February 24th, 2010
2:40 pm

atlwolf,

I remember that game you mention. And as DAP pointed out, the circumstances of the game were such that we needed innings out of Ring and Resop. If i remember correct neither of them were exactly trusted arms and it seemed like we didnt have any more in the pen.Ring was known to be horrible to anyone but a lefty. It was Bobby making the best of what was available and not confidence in Resop that made him use that switcheroo.

Lew

February 24th, 2010
2:40 pm

Gil – Thanks. It’s not an experience I’m likely to forget soon. There were several photographers there with huge lenses on their cameras, so I’m sure there will be pictures. Wouldn’t surprise me to see it in Chop Talk, as Patty Rasmussen set it all up. Seems everyone there really likes her – they all came and hugged her- from the coaches to Brian Jordan and Ron Ganr. Quite a popular Lady and a good writer, too.

Fischerking04

February 24th, 2010
2:41 pm

Hearing that Proctor may be ready earlier than previously reported is encouraging. Is he already throwing? If he can be ready at the beginning of the season we will have more pen options than the last couple of years combined.

It will be fun to see how Dunn and Chavez progress. But if Proctor is good to go then I have to guess that one of those guys (probably Dunn) would start at Gwinnett.

Mitchell

February 24th, 2010
2:41 pm

Are we seriously talking about Johnny Cash’s version of Hurt? Wasn’t that like eight years ago?

smitty

February 24th, 2010
2:41 pm

RHR – Usually it’s better to talk to someone in the braves ticket office to get tickets. The ticketmaster algorithm to pick the “best available” seats sucks.

Jersey Gil

February 24th, 2010
2:42 pm

Lew…did you see the Weather forecast lately?…

raleighbravesfan

February 24th, 2010
2:42 pm

I believe the front gate to Disney is located in Kissimee town limits. If not, it’s damn close.
Dark Star is DOB’s name for Disney complex, of which he appearantly has a low reguard for, although my family and I consider it the “happiest place on earth”. (that even though my kids are grown up).

Gil In Mechanicsville

February 24th, 2010
2:42 pm

Lew, you make the perfect point. It is why batting stats at the end of spring training are much more meaningful than they are the beginning of ST. Hitters are facing better pitchers then.

RHR

February 24th, 2010
2:43 pm

The braves ticket office? I know what the sections that i like are numbered/called. Even using the best available in the section I wanted, they were still not what I wanted.

Jersey Gil

February 24th, 2010
2:43 pm

There are forecasting win over 60MPH and more than a foot snow between tonight & Friday for the NE.

Lew

February 24th, 2010
2:44 pm

Jersey Gil=Talked to my wife yesterday and should be a bit over two feet by the time I get in Friday night. Already booked a room in Burlington so she doesn’t have to drive in a blizzard that night to pick me up at 11.

Josh H

February 24th, 2010
2:44 pm

Lew:

If I remember right…none of the hitters can hit any of the pitchers this early in Spring Training right? That changes after a week or two when hitters start getting their timing back.

Jesse Stone

February 24th, 2010
2:45 pm

A cold front is expected to hit us down in SoFla tomorrow. Highs only in the upper 60’s. YIKES!

Josh

February 24th, 2010
2:46 pm

DOB, when is ESPN supposed to be at Dark Star?

Jersey Gil

February 24th, 2010
2:47 pm

Good thinking Lew…Good luck..have a safe trip & welcome home…Thanks for all you Input of the ST…good job.

Lew

February 24th, 2010
2:49 pm

Josh- Well, do hitters hit more in the stands at BP with a coach pitching? Same thing here and Lowe is in great shape, Dunn has looked good. Not so sure who else I might have seen with all of the other stuff going on.

It was funny watching Medlen take bunting practice, though.

Fischerking04

February 24th, 2010
2:49 pm

Josh—Baseball Tonight at 3:30 tomorrow will be from Dark Star.

Josh

February 24th, 2010
2:51 pm

Fischerking04, thanks for the info!

Jeff Blauser

February 24th, 2010
2:53 pm

DOB, How’s the Jay Hey Kid hitting ‘em today?

thinbreakness

February 24th, 2010
2:55 pm

Lew-
Very thoughtful on the hotel room. I might still be married if….nah, I’m a sh!thead.

Jersey Gil

February 24th, 2010
2:57 pm

Josh …This question was raised last year…DOB never give us a correct answers….IMO has to do with the “Grateful Dead” tours in 1998.Dark Star.

O.J.

February 24th, 2010
2:57 pm

Jeff Blauser, read the blog and find out

TommyP

February 24th, 2010
3:01 pm

I remember a buddy that went to spring training and would report back to us about who looked great, etc. He was in our fantasy league. He’d draft according to which players he saw that looked so good.

He finished last.

n

February 24th, 2010
3:02 pm

Lew: Good to hear on Lowe. I know many are down on him but don’t forget he is one of the hardest working players on the team and is a leader on the pitching staff if for nothing else because of how hard he works.

Ryan H.

February 24th, 2010
3:04 pm

Cox after watching 6-5, 235-pound OF Cody Johnson hit Thursday: “He is a beast.”

Cox is so good he can see cody hit tomorrow!

Scott

February 24th, 2010
3:06 pm

I know we keep saying the Braves are cheap (other articles and posts), but they ranked 11 in payroll for 09, and approaching $100M for 2010 if my estimate is correct. Also, taking a look at some of the teams under the Braves (Rays, Rockies, Cardinals, ChiSox, Twins) are perennial playoff teams with the Rockies and Rays recently playing (but losing) in the WS. So I’m not sure we can continue to blame the lack of spending on the Braves, but wiser investments of the money we do have would be nice.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090408&content_id=4170640&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

richbrave

February 24th, 2010
3:06 pm

sportsmandh

February 24th, 2010
9:50 am
richbrave,

The vast majority of us Braves fans forgot Francouer a long time ago. Most of us even forgot about him even before he was traded last year.
And what are you hoping changes about Prado’s production. Are you one of the denizens who hasn’t noticed the guy can hit? What else does the guy have to prove?

I was just clowning the early risers this a.m. There’s nothing about PRADO’s game his new physique should harm, and hopefully everything to be gained. But there will be change……IMO an improvement over the solid level it currently is.

G-Magic

February 24th, 2010
3:08 pm

^^^Josh. Tomorrow. Chris Singleton is heading up ESPN’s coverage of the Braves.

TommyP

February 24th, 2010
3:09 pm

Scott: Agreed. Can’t blame ownership….if you can’t win on $90-$95 million, find a GM that can.

bigchiefrg

February 24th, 2010
3:09 pm

an article from the Marlins front office that could be revealing.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/spring2010/news/story?id=4941647&campaign=rss&source=MLBHeadlines

So lets hope the marlins dont make the playoffs and they fire Freddie Gonzalez so he can be the heir to #6.

richbrave

February 24th, 2010
3:09 pm

Hey LEW:

You enjoy the FLA while you can. You and your bride be careful in the white-out conditions up there. Looking forward to seeing you this summer.

Jersey Gil

February 24th, 2010
3:10 pm

“Freaknik Come Back to Atlanta”….Wow…I remember in 1995 i was stock in front of GT Uni for 5 hrs on friday afternoon..that day i learned about what was Freaknik.

n

February 24th, 2010
3:10 pm

Scott: I couldn’t agree with you more on payroll, the Braves are not cheap. Its proven you can win with the payroll they have. Judging where there pitching staff was two years ago and where it is today I think the money was not spent badly. The Phillies I believe had a similar payroll until they took off and started filling the stadium each night. Even now their GM has said they have hit the ceiling revenue wise and will have to make tough decisions in the future as there are no more seats to fill etc.

DAP

February 24th, 2010
3:11 pm

tommyp if you can’t win on $90-$95 million, find a GM that can.

the problem with the braves is that they spent a couple of years trying to get through contracts that dont fit onto a $90-$95mil team.

dpelfrey

February 24th, 2010
3:13 pm

There’s a lot of big boys in camp. Glaus, Hanson, Freeman, Johnson, Heyward, Lowe, Cofield. Chipper might have to retire the nickname “Hoss”.

P'cola Brave

February 24th, 2010
3:13 pm

I’m amazed at how many people think the Braves have built a 3rd or 4th place team. Now will they finish there? I don’t know thats yet to be determined, especially with the upgrades this division has made. I don’t however see them as a sub .500 team. I didn’t look it up but I believe the Braves won 88 last year and were a 3rd place team. It usually takes around 90 to get in. Your spot in the division doesn’t necessarily tell the whole story of the year.

The Braves struggled early but finished hot and many of the second half starters are returning. To me the offense is improved. You have a Diaz/Melky platoon taking over for Loaf and Glaus taking over for Laroche which may end up being a wash though Glaus will probably be more consistent through the year. Don’t forget that young players mature and Prado, Escobar, Melky, and McCann probably haven’t peeked. The starting rotation is still solid even w/ out Vazquez. The bullpen may end up being the best in the league. You have a proven closer in Wagner who has shown year in and year out thats hes one of the games best.

Is health a question? Sure. But it is for every team. I don’t think anybody would have said at the beginning of the year that the Mets starting lineup would all go down to injury. It happened to the Braves in ‘08 and got the Mets in ‘09. You never know when it will happen. So far the Phils have lucked out but every team will tell you that you have to remain healthy to win. So health is a big question for every team and only time will tell who stays healthy.

IMO, I think this is a 2nd place team that will contend for the playoffs. Their ability to beat the weaker teams will determine whether they get in. I’m sure if you look at our record from last year against all the divisions lower two teams its probably not very good.

thinbreakness

February 24th, 2010
3:13 pm

bigchief-
maybe the Marlins will start real slow and Loria fires him for PR effect. He simply comes home and gets hired as a special assistant.

Jeff Blauser

February 24th, 2010
3:14 pm

OJ, really just wanted to drop the nickname.

traderdawg

February 24th, 2010
3:17 pm

The best Johnny Cash cover in that box set is Rusty Cage its incredible

Scott

February 24th, 2010
3:18 pm

The Phils are at $113M for 2009, which is only about 20% higher then the Braves, which can be attributed to their increased revenue based on their recent success. The Yankees are ridiculous at $201M (which is bad for baseball in my opinion), with the Mets in a distant second at $135M, Red Sox third, so the Braves payroll isn’t that bad in comparison, so yeah, money is not the problem.

smitty

February 24th, 2010
3:19 pm

RHR
If you call them they can tell you everything that’s available in the sections you want, not just what the algorithm says. If anybody is buying season tickets this is the only way to go, much better seats are available if you call and you can specify aisle seats, look for seats in specific # of rows from the field etc. Rarely has ticketmaster’s “best available” given me a good recommendation.

Roman Gal

February 24th, 2010
3:23 pm

…on the main ‘yard here at ESPN Wide World of Family Fun Sports Entertainment Youth Athletic Leagues Cost Parents A Fortune Exposition/Recreation Center.

Holy crap! Try sayin’ that five times fast…

The Bravery

February 24th, 2010
3:24 pm

Jersey-
Ya know that may have some pertinance to the name. I went to school at Stetson outside of Orlando a couple of years ago and I heard that name a lot. Turned out it was a Grateful Dead cover band from the area

O.J.

February 24th, 2010
3:24 pm

Jeff Blauser, I get it, but its been said many times already

Roman Gal

February 24th, 2010
3:27 pm

The Braves would like to have Schafer ready for the majors by midseason.

Music to my ears.

Oh, and someone mentioned earlier that they hoped Schafer’s career could get back on track. Well, I don’t think Schafer ever got off track, per say, it’s just that his track isn’t as straight and narrow as some other players like, say…Heyzilla.

ncscoots

February 24th, 2010
3:28 pm

Uh-oh. Heyward has a BP where he destroys only a Moped, and it’s “What’s wrong with Heyward?”, LOL.

Ryan

February 24th, 2010
3:29 pm

As I said in the other thread, We got the stop gap at first that we need so that Freeman has time to develop. We have one of the best 1-2 punches in JJ and Hanson in all of baseball. Escober, Diaz, and Prado are all very good and can hit some HRs as well as average. We have a ton of OF depth that will allow us to make a trade if we feel the need during the season. I think we are in good shape.

Roman Gal

February 24th, 2010
3:32 pm

but he won’t hit 1.000 with 75 HR Lew

You’re obviously underestimating him, Lew. Sheesh! Get your head in the game!

Venice Jim

February 24th, 2010
3:33 pm

McLouth now on 680

Heath

February 24th, 2010
3:33 pm

Still scoreless….but the US/Swiss hockey game has a ton of action.

Daslied

February 24th, 2010
3:37 pm

Heyward will break the career homer record this year.

DAVBRAVES

February 24th, 2010
3:38 pm

BOBBY COX IS CHUCK NORRIS

JUST SAYIN'

February 24th, 2010
3:38 pm

bigchiefrg,

Loria is considered a slug by many Marlin fans. He would have very likely fired Fredi last year except he didn’t want to pay him two years salary. Any manager who takes that job is taking it short time. He will be expected to make the playoffs with the lowest payroll in baseball and if he does not he will find himself on the street.

David O'Brien

February 24th, 2010
3:39 pm

Our boy Boog Sciambi wrote a helluva good article on the use of advanced stats, etc., as a guest columnist at Baseball Prospectus:

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=10101

Roman Gal

February 24th, 2010
3:40 pm

So Francoeur, traded to the Mets last season, has some sense of what Heyward is going to go through, and sometime this spring he intends to take Heyward to dinner and give him some advice. –Buster Olney

Oh geez…I’m going to have to find a stick to fend off Frenchy!

Venice Jim

February 24th, 2010
3:41 pm

Heath – where are you watching the game?

ncscoots

February 24th, 2010
3:41 pm

We have one of the best 1-2 punches in JJ and Hanson in all of baseball.

Well, I like those two guys, myself, but still…

Lincecum-Cain, Carpenter-Wainwright, Hallday-Hamels, Hernandez-Lee, Lester-Lackey, Sabathia-Burnett (or Vazquez, if you’re of a mind), even Webb-Haren…just quite a few duos that I’d probably take before Jurrjens and Hanson. This year, anyway, LOL. Next year might be a different story.

Mr. Rogers

February 24th, 2010
3:41 pm

DOB
Right now if you could what do you think the braves record will be at the end of this season?

Also what year do you think the braves will have a legit shot at the WS again. 2011 2012 2013?

dpelfrey

February 24th, 2010
3:41 pm

Those of you that have read my posts know that I’m not a pessimist by any stretch. But I looked at this a few hours ago and had to pinch myself as a reminder to not get too excited about the future. Here is a list of the Baby Braves of 2005. Remember, these guys were going to change the world…

Kelly Johnson
Brian McCann
Kyle Davies
Jeff Francoeur
Blaine Boyer
Roman Colon
Macay McBride
Anthony Lerew
Chuck James
Joey Devine
Wilson Betemit
Pete Orr
Brayan Pena
Andy Marte

Humbling. Not a single one, except McCann, has stuck. I think we can officially say now that the Baby Braves were a mirage.

But it’ll be different this time…I swear!!!!!

Glen W

February 24th, 2010
3:42 pm

but he won’t hit 1.000 with 75 HR Lew

You mean in April, right?

Mr. Rogers

February 24th, 2010
3:44 pm

DOB also say the braves continue to be middle of the road the next 5 years, and say JJ, Hanson, and Hayward become big big stars in the big league.. When as braves fans should we be concerned that they might bolt out of Atlanta if the team is still not succeeding? Are they locked for at least 6 yrs with us now? I dont know how baseball management tactics work :) I am just curious.

Roman Gal

February 24th, 2010
3:44 pm

In the clubhouse yesterday, Andruw declared to a couple of coaches: “I am the best center fielder you guys have in camp.”

To which Joey Cora replied, “You should be. Only pitchers and catchers have reported.” –ESPN

I miss Andruw sometimes…well, I miss the good Andruw.

Venice Jim

February 24th, 2010
3:45 pm

Just announced on 680 that the host of the post-game shows will be Chuck Dowdell, with occasional appearances from Glavine, Lemke and Sutton…

David O'Brien

February 24th, 2010
3:45 pm

Mr. Rogers, regarding your 3:44 comment: Oh, boy.

junebaby

February 24th, 2010
3:46 pm

does “saito” speak good english?? if so will they keep the translator for k.k.? btw, who pays fot that, the player or the team? either way k.k. should be much more comfortable with a teammate he can speak with in his native language. maybe he’ll get to 15-16 wins. english, spanish, dutch, japanese, slang, medicalese, and legalese must make for interesting noises coming from the braves clubhouse.

BBFCFM

February 24th, 2010
3:47 pm

Scott

According to a href=”http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090210&content_id=3815766&vkey=news_phi&c_id=phi”]thist[/a] article the phillies payroll for 09 was at 131.5 m.
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But I will say this, money isn’t necessarily the problem when we already are spending 95 million. However, Wren (and the Braves in general) is doing a good job of finding talent, developing it, and bringing it to the bigs. At least it appears to be headed that way.

With such great talent, unless we flip everybody for young prospects, money will certainly become a problem in the very near future. Hell, as long as Diaz is still producing, coupled with service time and inflation, we’ll be paying him like 8 million in a couple years just to ride the pine.

It will become a problem, unless we are perennially trading off our “eligible for a big payraise” stars for unproven talent with high ceilings.

dpelfrey

February 24th, 2010
3:47 pm

On a positive, if you consider all the flops from that 2005 crop of youngsters, along with injury-riddled years from Chipper, Hampton, Smoltz, Hudson and the complete collapse from Andruw, it’s astonishing the Braves didn’t do worse from 2006-2009.

BBFCFM

February 24th, 2010
3:48 pm

ncscoots

February 24th, 2010
3:49 pm

Humbling. Not a single one, except McCann, has stuck.

I think what you mean is “has become a star”, rather than “has stuck”, right? Because I believe at least half of those guys are still cashing ML paychecks five years later. That’s still pretty good scouting, as far as I can tell.

nolie

February 24th, 2010
3:49 pm

And Glaus’ 162 game averages are 675 plate appearances, 575 ABs, 35 HR, 101 RBI. Even allowing for some erosion for age and PEDs, what’s left ought to be plenty. If healthy. SKINK

I always wonder why people quote 162 game averages. They usually have very little correlation to a regular season since most players don’t play in 162 games most years. Glaus has only done it once and sure isn’t gonna do it this year.

Jeff Blauser

February 24th, 2010
3:50 pm

OJ, Guess I didn’t have time to do a patent search. Just had a few minutes to chime in on the ole blog and sip in the hype.

n

February 24th, 2010
3:51 pm

I for one am REALLY HAPPY to hear that there will be more Braves radio coverage with it sounds like decent pre and post game shows. Finally.

Fischerking04

February 24th, 2010
3:51 pm

Mr. Rogers—”say the braves continue to be middle of the road the next 5 years, and say JJ, Hanson, and Hayward become big big stars in the big league.”

If those guys all become “big big stars” I highly doubt it would be possible for us to be a middle of the road team.

ncscoots

February 24th, 2010
3:52 pm

I always wonder why people quote 162 game averages

Because it shows up at baseball-reference.com and people think it actually means something relevant, LOL?

Mr. Rogers

February 24th, 2010
3:54 pm

DOB and Fischer I mean if they become big stars and the braves remain a middle of the road team..WHEN do we need to worry about them leaving Atlanta for say NY or another team? Are they locked under contract now or for 5 yrs?

DOB when you said “oh boy” I just flashed back to Quantum Leap and Dr Sam Beekett, but instead of leaping from life to life, you were leaping from blog to blog :( hoping each time that your next post would be the leap home :(

Wren Killed us

February 24th, 2010
3:54 pm

Wren set this franchise back 3+ years by investing almost 25% of our payroll in 2 pitchers. D. Lowe who was 36 at the time was given 60 million???? I wouldn’t sign that guy for half that. And then Wren gives 9 million a year to a guy that’s never pitched in the big leagues and now will become the highest paid middle reliever in the history of baseball. 24 million a year locked up in 2 guys and since they suck so bad we’re stuck with those ridiculous contracts. I’ll give it to Wren b/c he’s trying/spening $$ but he just flat out has no clue what he’s doing. He built a team that can compete for maybe 62 games not 162 games. After the injury bug hits we’ll be lucky to win 75 games.

BPennington

February 24th, 2010
3:57 pm

I think Fredi G is obviously the heir apparent in a perfect world. Hopefully he finds his way into the Atlanta dugout next year.

n

February 24th, 2010
3:57 pm

Wow. First off Lowe and Kk do not suck, in fact they are quite good. Second, do you remember the pitching staff in 2008. Pitching is the key for competing for 162 games and they have it.

Gil In Mechanicsville

February 24th, 2010
3:59 pm

Wren Killed us WOW… did you mommy forget to give you enough hugs this morning? Grow up kid, this is the real world. Would you rather have Omar calling the shots???

BPennington

February 24th, 2010
4:00 pm

Wren Killed Us,

Kawakami is penciled in as the number 5 starter. So the whole expensive MR thing is sorta moot at this point. I’m interested to hear what moves would you have made to change our current status?

Thrillhouse44

February 24th, 2010
4:00 pm

scoots, you just received the ultimate props – DOB tweeted one of your posts.

dpelfrey

February 24th, 2010
4:01 pm

scoots, you totally took that wrong way. Yes, our scouting department is one of the best. Just looking at that list helps me keep things in perspective when I feel like projecting a 2014 lineup with Schafer, Heyward, Freeman, Johnson and Salcedo and a rotation of Hanson, Jurrjens, Delgado, Vizcaino and Teheran.

Those guys from 2005 were all good ball players and still are. But if anyone on here says they predicted in 2005 that only 1 of those players would still be on the roster in 2010, I’ll call them a liar.

bruce

February 24th, 2010
4:06 pm

Dave —
regarding your tweet about fourth outfielder if Heyward does not start in right… wouldn’t Hinske be the fourth? or are you counting Hinske as infielder backup while knowing Hinske and Omar can handle corner OF duties as needed

Joe

February 24th, 2010
4:07 pm

I went and checked out a little batting practice today and have to say…if Escobar can keep from annoying the pants off everyone he might win the NL MVP. That kids is GOOD but he’s sure loud. I have no idea what he was saying – guess I should’ve paid more attention in High School Spanish.

n

February 24th, 2010
4:08 pm

If Heyward doesn’t make it Mitch Jones may have a chance.

Winterville

February 24th, 2010
4:10 pm

Wren killed us

Do you ever have problems doing ordinary tasks like talking to people above you in your job or just interacting with people in general? I worry about some of the people like you on the blog. Like how can they possibly complete simple everyday chores when they can’t understand things that seem so obvious. Of course you can say Lowe’s contract looks bad in hindsight but where were you when he gave the contract out? Most people viewed it as a necessary evil. And if you’re referring to Kawakami with your “highest paid middle relief” crap then take it somewhere else. He already has a spot in the rotation and no matter how hard you try to misremember his season last year, you will still be wrong. He had an ERA under 4 and the only reason he moved to the BP was to make sure it was worth it to offer Hudson a contract. Come on man, if that’s the best you can do, just don’t post.

Mike Hancho

February 24th, 2010
4:10 pm

Heyward is going to make it.

joerochester

February 24th, 2010
4:11 pm

Oliver Perez on an 11 M/yr contract. Now that would have killed us…

ncscoots

February 24th, 2010
4:12 pm

scoots, you totally took that wrong way.

Well, that wouldn’t be news, LOL. You’re right, I’m sure most of us would have thought at least a couple of those guys would still be on the home nine.

But only Bill Shanks thought ALL of them would have, LOL.

joerochester

February 24th, 2010
4:13 pm

12 Mill* Sorry, Omar.. didn’t mean to sell your expertise short.

ncscoots

February 24th, 2010
4:15 pm

scoots, you just received the ultimate props – DOB tweeted one of your posts.

That right? Hope it was one with some wit, rather than one that makes me look like a dolt, LOL.

[...] –Jair Jurrjens is coming along ok from an arm injury scare, but honestly, these stories never end well. Read the AJC story here. [...]

Thrillhouse44

February 24th, 2010
4:19 pm

He bigged up the moped post.

Jeff R

February 24th, 2010
4:21 pm

Wow, Cody Johnson, 180 whiffs… that’s better than a strikeout a game in the majors.

nolie

February 24th, 2010
4:21 pm

There is a firstbaseman playing for the Phillies who has similar stats as Cody Johnson GIL

I’m sorry, you think a career major league batting average of 279 is similar to a career minor league BA of 250 under AA ball? Don’t really know what to say about that other than comparing Johnson to Howard is pretty silly right now. The only things they have in common is great power and huge K totals.

ugaaccountant

February 24th, 2010
4:22 pm

Winterville – A ton of fans were pissed off the day Lowe signed for $60M. It was like a punch in the gut how much we overbid the Mets by.

richbrave

February 24th, 2010
4:22 pm

Is it “Nate McLouth” or McCLOUTH like so many here spell it. Just askin’.

ncscoots

February 24th, 2010
4:24 pm

Thrill, that’s still not enough to make me go the Twitter route, LOL.

I’m such a dinosaur. :-)

Venice Jim

February 24th, 2010
4:28 pm

Aaaaargh! US scores a goal – but, no – about 1/10 second after the period ended…

gene garbage

February 24th, 2010
4:28 pm

J. Schafer has become serious trade bait..just don’t see him working his way into the lineup any time soon. He’s just don’t seem to be a bench player, maybe i’m wrong on that. And, for what its worth, i really hope his decline in productivity last year at such a blazing pace doesn’t come into upper mgmnt’s decision to hold down Heyward. Although i could see their concern…..a little….

McFann

February 24th, 2010
4:28 pm

Thanks for the new Blog, Chief!

thinbreakness …McCann went to 3 All Star games.

FOUR!! Dangit…

Winterville

February 24th, 2010
4:29 pm

uga

I get the part about maybe over paying but he wasn’t going to come here for less and with the year he was coming off of, there was alot more praise than backlash. It’s just easier to scream about it after he had a poor year.

Rob from SC

February 24th, 2010
4:31 pm

USA might lose this game

ncscoots

February 24th, 2010
4:32 pm

Actually, Schafer is more of an argument that the Braves will have Heyward go north, not the other way around. The organization has never been afraid to go with a kid deemed ready, regardless of his minor league time. And, frankly, the team needs Heyward’s skill set this year more than they needed Schafer’s last year.

timthebrave

February 24th, 2010
4:36 pm

I expect big things from KK. It seemed he pitched big in big games and it is hard to make a move from japan to us I imagine. I wouldn’t be surprised if we see him play like we thought he would.

rammerjammer

February 24th, 2010
4:37 pm

Howard was a .300 hitter in the minors (.299 to be exact) with all the HRs and Ks. I wish Cody Johnson the best, but he has a ways to go to be in the Howard conversation.

RHR

February 24th, 2010
4:37 pm

scoots, you just received the ultimate props – DOB tweeted one of your posts.

Oh lord. There will be no living with him now! :roll:

:D

McFann

February 24th, 2010
4:38 pm

Great article by Mr. Bowman. :D

I’m ready for the season to start…

Couch Tater

February 24th, 2010
4:38 pm

Willy Wally – Jennifer Aniston had 25million in earnings according to Forbes, but I’m not sure how to calculate WAR. .:)

nolie

February 24th, 2010
4:38 pm

That right? Hope it was one with some wit, rather than one that makes me look like a dolt, LOL. SCOOTS

what are the odds? :)

bravesgrl4life

February 24th, 2010
4:40 pm

Found out that package tickets are in the process of being printed and should be mailed early next week. Hope to have mine by the end of the week. Tyler in the Braves services offices was so nice when I called to find out.

nolie

February 24th, 2010
4:40 pm

Is it “Nate McLouth” or McCLOUTH like so many here spell it. Just askin’.

Nate’s a louth

dpelfrey

February 24th, 2010
4:41 pm

scoots, definitely the truth on Bill Shanks. I was writing a little for Bravesbeat.com back then and Shanks was writing for the main competition (don’t remember who or what site), so I read plenty of his stuff back then, at least the stuff they didn’t charge insider fees. He was definitely an optimist, in every sense of the word.

Heath

February 24th, 2010
4:42 pm

Rob from SC -

Not so fast! :)

Bad Scooter

February 24th, 2010
4:42 pm

DOB, what is your opinion/feeling on the stats that Boog was talking about and their place in baseball today and the future?

ncscoots

February 24th, 2010
4:43 pm

what are the odds?

Heavily against, says Vegas, LOL.

Oh lord. There will be no living with him now!

Like, there was before? :-)

nolie

February 24th, 2010
4:44 pm

He was definitely an optimist, in every sense of the word. Pelf

the ultimate prospect-hugger. If you hadn’t made it yet, you were a sure fire hit. Once you made it he would throw you over for another prospect first chance he got. :)

MZ

February 24th, 2010
4:45 pm

Don’t know if this has been shared here, but I just found this on Yahoo’s top news site:

“Toyoda faces lawmakers: ‘I’m deeply sorry’ (AP) “

MZ

February 24th, 2010
4:46 pm

oops … scratch my last bit … didn’t know the guy’s name is actually Toyoda

N8

February 24th, 2010
4:47 pm

“I always wonder why people quote 162 game averages. They usually have very little correlation to a regular season since most players don’t play in 162 games most years. Glaus has only done it once and sure isn’t gonna do it this year.” nolie

I don’t have a problem with 162 game averages. To me, especially with a guy with many years of service, it’s a decent sample size of what kind of ratios a guy puts up. For instance, Glaus’s 162 game average for HR is 35. (1 HR every 4.62 games)

According to my trusty calculator, if Glaus plays in 125 games, that means he’ll hit around 27 HR. If he only plays in 100 games, it would be 21. Hell, if he only plays in 70 games he’ll still hit about 15. :-)

You’re always citing sample sizes, aren’t you? Wouldn’t you rather sample size his career, or is a couple of injury laced seasons what you’d base assumptions/predictions on?

My assumption is that if he’s playing in a game, he’s healthy. So, if the guy plays in around 120 games this year, I’ll take that production.

joerochester

February 24th, 2010
4:47 pm

oops … scratch my last bit … didn’t know the guy’s name is actually Toyoda

I think he’s the grandson of the founder.

wjones

February 24th, 2010
4:50 pm

“Roman Gal

February 24th, 2010
3:40 pm
So Francoeur, traded to the Mets last season, has some sense of what Heyward is going to go through, and sometime this spring he intends to take Heyward to dinner and give him some advice. –Buster Olney

Oh geez…I’m going to have to find a stick to fend off Frenchy!”

PLEASE ALERT BRAVES SECURITY!!!! PLEASE ALERT SECURITY!!!! BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR A MAN, MID-20′S, LARGE TEETH, WITH FRENCH-LOOKING NAME ON THE BACK OF HIS JERSEY. HAS BEEN KNOWN TO CAUSE SLUMPS ACROSS ENTIRE BATTING ORDERS, AND HAS ALLEGEDLY THREATENED TO KIDNAP BRAVES ROOKIE PHENOM RIGHT FIELDER AND SPEAK TO HIM!!!! PLEASE TAKE EVERY PRECAUTION TO PROTECT OUR PROSPECT FROM THIS MAN!!!!

TennesseePaul

February 24th, 2010
4:53 pm

But if anyone on here says they predicted in 2005 that only 1 of those players would still be on the roster in 2010, I’ll call them a liar.

Francoeur being the only one that really stands out as a full on disappointment. He came up such massive Hype. Massive hype. Saw where ESPN (Buster I think) did a piece on Heyward and interviewed Francoeur to get the angle on Home Town Hero Hype.

But seriously out of the following:
Frank Brooks
Matt Childers
Roman Colon
Ryan Langerhans
Anthony Lerew
Macay McBride
Pete Orr
Brayan Pena
Jorge Vasquez
Kyle Davies
Chuck James
Andy Marte
Brian McCann
Jeff Francoeur
Kelly Johnson
Joey Devine
Wilson Betemit
Blaine Boyer

You weren’t really looking at superstars in the making. The only one that came up with that tag was Francoeur. McCann didn’t even come up with the hype. It was bestowed upon him by the players on his team and on the opponents teams as he played… In total I see four or five on there that turned out to be less than I thought and the other 13 or 14… well I’m surprised some of them are still in the majors.

Heath

February 24th, 2010
4:54 pm

Tim Brando should be broadcasting this third period would have heard “The iron unkind…” a couple of times now. Sheesh.

bravesgrl4life

February 24th, 2010
4:55 pm

As much as liked him, keep Frenchy away from Heyward!!!!!

Nick

February 24th, 2010
4:55 pm

Love Albert King.

Daslied

February 24th, 2010
4:56 pm

MZ – I made the same mistake. That’d be like Joe Koke running Coca-Cola.

I did save a screen shot from Yahoo a few weeks ago – it was something about Obama, and the thumbnail pic was one of those cartoonish warps.

GovClintonTyree

February 24th, 2010
4:57 pm

Nolie, regarding Glaus: How about if I say “allowing for age and PEDS and taking 20 games off for minor injuries and rest, there’s still plenty left.” Would that be more precise?

N8

February 24th, 2010
4:58 pm

Wren Killed us

Apparently not. People who are killed, can no longer post stupid a$$ nonsense on a blog. Run along now.

nolie

February 24th, 2010
5:00 pm

Nate, the ratios are gonna be the same with his career numbers as they are in 162 games.and the sample size is his entire career not 162 games since it’s all based on career totals. Not really the same thing at all. IMO it causes less knowledgeable folks to expect thos numbers whe the player usually plays 10% less. I have seen posters on several blogs/boards express anger when a player isn’t as good as he ’should’ be ignoring the fact that he played less than 162. It is just an artificial and somewhat misleading way to present info.

TennesseePaul

February 24th, 2010
5:01 pm

And, frankly, the team needs Heyward’s skill set this year more than they needed Schafer’s last year.

At the break of camp in 2009, I’d say the team need Schafer’s perceived skill set very much. Perhaps as much as Heywards Perceived skill set. Schafer was to be the “table setter” lead off hitter that this team is still looking for and had hoped to acquire in Damon not more than a few days ago. In addition Schafer was to provide his other skills in his set, decent power, defensive prowess, speed, on base ability. More than Blanco or Anderson provided anyway, It was Schafer or a massive hole in Center. His failure in the bigs was key enough for the team to acquire McLouth for what some thought was too much. The team had nothing in the outfield or firstbase last year.

With McLouth in the wings and the crutch over at first base, one could fairly argue that the Braves need for Heyward, while still high, is slightly below 2009 needs for Schafer.

Piedmont Blues

February 24th, 2010
5:01 pm

Mr. Rogers,

My guess is, by “Oh boy,” DOB meant to infer that a heck of a lot of things can happen in five years. Let’s worry about 2010 first. Beginning with February.

nolie

February 24th, 2010
5:05 pm

allowing for age and PEDS and taking 20 games off for minor injuries and rest, there’s still plenty left.” Would that be more precise? SKINK

snarky, snarky,snarky

dpelfrey

February 24th, 2010
5:06 pm

TennesseePaul…

Were you not excited about the futures of Kyle Davies, Chuck James, Andy Marte, Macay McBride, Anthony Lerew and Blaine Boyer? Other than Boyer, these guys were all top 10 Braves prospects and big things were expected of them. I don’t think it’s a stretch to say all of those guys have vastly underachieved what most of us expected from them in 2005. I agree that the rest of the guys on that list were fringe prospects at best.

Read my earlier post where I clarify that my point was looking at this list gives me a little perspective when trying to imagine the All-Star laden 2014 lineup and rotation.

joerochester

February 24th, 2010
5:07 pm

Taking into account that many ballparks are smaller now than they used to be, wouldn’t Ruth and Maris have been able to hit over 70 hrs? Why is it that when a guy has consistent production he uses PEDs?

N8

February 24th, 2010
5:10 pm

Gotcha nolie. I guess for guys like me that pro-rate it, and are aware that a guy is not likely to play in 162 games. But I see your angle.

I guess one could take total games played, total HR and still calculate a HR/game average. I’ll assume that it would be within percentage points of the 1 HR every 4.62 games that Glaus averages 162 games.

Heath

February 24th, 2010
5:14 pm

Eric from MO

February 24th, 2010
5:15 pm

TennPaul you can add Andy Marte with Francouer as the only two being disappointments. Marte came with almost as much hype as Francouer. To begin the season they were the top 2 prospects in baseball. I dont recall which one was one and which one was 2 though.

nolie

February 24th, 2010
5:15 pm

But I see your angle. N8

I’m sure for you and the Gov it works cause you are aware that is is actually a higher total than their real averages in most cases, but it can deceive less knowledgeable folks.

Crime Dog

February 24th, 2010
5:16 pm

America! F*** yeah!

Venice Jim

February 24th, 2010
5:16 pm

Well watched, Heath! – just in time for me to go tutoring…

Eric from MO

February 24th, 2010
5:17 pm

Also Kyle Davies had some hype too.

TheManMike

February 24th, 2010
5:17 pm

I don’t remember seeing this ‘kid’ mentioned here…could be wrong. 16 years old + 502ft HR = Bryce Harper…

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew/post/Bryce-Harper-punches-his-ticket-to-Cooperstown-a?urn=mlb,167844

dpelfrey

February 24th, 2010
5:17 pm

While we’re loosely on the topic of prospects…Cory Rasmus is my pick this year for climbing the prospect list.

nolie

February 24th, 2010
5:18 pm

To begin the season they were the top 2 prospects in baseball. I dont recall which one was one and which one was 2 though. Eric

I don’t remember any such rankings by respected national sites. I mighta missed them, but I find it hard to believe that BBA for instance had them rated that high.I’m sure they were rated as the Braves top two. .Got a link?

joerochester

February 24th, 2010
5:18 pm

Harper is supposed to be the #1 pick in the next draft, I believe.

Eric from MO

February 24th, 2010
5:21 pm

No, I recall reading about it in my local paper though. St. Louis Dispatch and they never write about the Braves. I think it was Baseball America if that sounds right?

BPennington

February 24th, 2010
5:25 pm

Bryce Harper is the kid that was on the cover of SI, essentially touting him as the LeBron James of baseball. He has prodigous talent, but this is baseball. Who knows how good he’ll actually be. He’s only 17(I think), skipped his Junior year of HS and is entering the draft early.

Mark in Madison

February 24th, 2010
5:26 pm

Marte and Francouer were most assuredly never ranked the top two prospects in baseball …. at least not by Baseball America. They have their all-time rankings listed on their website if you want to check, but I’m pretty sure the highest either got was when Marte cracked the top-5.

Steve McP

February 24th, 2010
5:26 pm

I think that the reason that the “Baby Braves” did not (largely) succeed was that they were thrown into the majors too early due to injuries to the Braves starters, had they been able to get more seasoning and be brought up when truly ready then they might well have been more successful. Compare that with Schafer, came up, did not succeed, but is still slated to be a contributor in the future because he is able to go back the Minors and will come up again when he is truly ready.

Hopefully “Heyzilla” (my favourite of the names being bandied around on here) will be ready to play on day one of the new season but the Braves are in the stronger position now of not having to throw him in if they feel he needs to spend some time in AAA.

Eric from MO

February 24th, 2010
5:26 pm

Wasnt Baseball of America but someone did. I even remember the title of the article. It was called Brave New World.

Old Brave

February 24th, 2010
5:26 pm

Where are the Braves of the Ted Turner era? We made a BIG trade of Vasquez for that big bopper bat of Melky Cabrera (sp), bet the Yankee fans are really hurting over that one. Then we signed that big bopper that no doubt will hit 40 homers this year if he can get out of bed and has played an amazing 6 games at 1st base.

Braves fans there is NO doubt with the offseason pickups, we have to be favored to win the World Series!

I better run down and get my tix right away!

nolie

February 24th, 2010
5:27 pm

Nevermind I looked it up. BBA had Marte ranked 9th and Frenchy 13th. Of course there have been guys rated higher than that who pooped out.

nolie

February 24th, 2010
5:34 pm

I better run down and get my tix right away! Old Brave

while you’re at it get some eXlax too, maybe you’ll feel better

Steve McP

February 24th, 2010
5:34 pm

Old Brave – you really think that Javy was traded for Cabrera? Did you read any of the comments about the prospects that came over? In the long run we could be talking about that deal as being almost as significant as the Renteria trade which brought over Jurrjens.

P-Town Brave

February 24th, 2010
5:36 pm

Nolie-

Yes, Todd Van Poppel hears you :lol:

Heath

February 24th, 2010
5:36 pm

VJ -

You did get to see it, right?

jeffrey d

February 24th, 2010
5:38 pm

while you’re at it get some eXlax too, maybe you’ll feel better

Because he’s full of crap

Heath

February 24th, 2010
5:39 pm

Germany is catching up with us in medal count….

cabravesfan

February 24th, 2010
5:39 pm

Heath-

VJ is off to work- yeah, he got to watch it on the computer :)

n

February 24th, 2010
5:41 pm

Not to mention the fact that Cabrera is only 25 yrs old. Add in a top young pitching prospect and another young arm who may make the team this year and its not a bad deal for a 1 year rent a player.

Tomas

February 24th, 2010
5:41 pm

What an excellent article by Boog. I even went back to see the game, and the expression chipper made was priceless, Joe giggled, he knew what was going on.

gene garbage

February 24th, 2010
5:45 pm

people seem to forget we got two pitchers, one of which was their number one prospect, from the Yankees in that Vasquez trade. two years down the road, when he is taking D. Lowe or KK’s spot in the rotation, we’ll be saying, “dang that was a great trade”…face it, we just couldn’t keep all of the starting pitchers we had and we simply couldn’t ditch Lowe or KK so it had to be Vasquez..

DMBJAMS

February 24th, 2010
5:46 pm

I want to thank DOB, or whoever flipped the switch that now allows me to come straight to the AJC Braves page from my iPhone bookmarks. A few of us talked about it the other day and now it’s fixed. Awesome. Thank you.

Matt

Heath

February 24th, 2010
5:50 pm

OK…announcer just put grueling and curling in the same sentence….that’s a bit much, even if he does have a tender back.

Glen W

February 24th, 2010
5:51 pm

Good grief… Francouer and Davies might have been high on the list of Braves top prospects but there were never even considered one of the top 40 or so prospects in the entire minor leagues. And Chuck James? Really?

Heyward and Hanson are not sure bets to make the Hall of Fame or even an All Star team right now. But they are the most advanced prospects to come through the organization since Andruw and Andruw had some pretty solid years. Why are we comparing them to Francouer and Davies and marte and Chuck James?

Heath

February 24th, 2010
5:51 pm

cab -

Oh…glad I didn’t ruin it for him. I tried to not give any scoring updates.

TG from CA

February 24th, 2010
5:56 pm

“Where are the Braves of the Ted Turner era?”- Old Brave
Ted owned the team from 76-96. Those teams combined for a losing record, however, one championship in his 20th season. This current team will be fine, don’t be such a downer

nolie

February 24th, 2010
5:56 pm

Francouer and Davies might have been high on the list of Braves top prospects but there were never even considered one of the top 40 or so prospects in the entire minor leagues. Glen W

let’s not get carried away. Marte was ranked in the top 10 at least 2 or 3 years and BBA ranked Jeff 13th in 2005, most of the rest you are right about.

Just Pat

February 24th, 2010
5:58 pm

DBMJAMS

Boy! Am I ever disillusioned! From what I’d been told about those iPhones, they could “fix” something like that all by themselves without even trying. ;-)

hal

February 24th, 2010
5:58 pm

cody johnson srikes out all most as much as that overrated fat bboy playing first for the phluged fills

Just Pat

February 24th, 2010
5:59 pm

DBMJAMS…..doesn’t matter. I’d STILL take one in a heartbeat if anyone gave it to me!

TnBrian

February 24th, 2010
6:01 pm

hal, yes, yes .. you are correct sir. Howard K’s a ton and is, uh, unattractive. And that’s putting it nicely. I don’t judge men’s looks often and I feel odd saying this, but Jason Heyward is a sharp looking young man.

Just Pat

February 24th, 2010
6:05 pm

TnBrian

Careful, careful…..pretty soon you’ll be accused (like DOB) of having a crush on Heyward. ;-)

richbrave

February 24th, 2010
6:05 pm

There were a couple of kids in the DOMINICAN summer league that I think might create a stir before the season’s over if they leave DOMINICA, LUIS DE LUNA RHP and EDISON SANCHEZ 3B. Not sure of international players status regarding entry into the BRAVES farm system from abroad, but if it’s the two I remember, they performed pretty well last summer.

TnBrian

February 24th, 2010
6:07 pm

Just Pat, no. I don’t have a man crush on Heyward. I feel secure enough in my manhood to say another guy looks sharp. Not cute,handsome or hot … just sharp. I have a fiancee and she’s the only person I call hot and cute.

Gil In Mechanicsville

February 24th, 2010
6:09 pm

TB… We may not say it but we can be envious. To be 20 years old and have Heyward’s future…

Just Pat

February 24th, 2010
6:11 pm

TnBrian

I was joking because of DOB’s comments about Heyward’s biceps on one of the “blogettes” and a coupla people seemed to take exception to that. Guess HE feels secure enough in HIS own manhood, too.

GovClintonTyree

February 24th, 2010
6:19 pm

Glen: Check Chuckie James’ minor league numbers. He was like Dwight Gooden, only short, white, and borderline retarded.

Seriously, Chuckie was the Next Big Thing. And I thought he looked good in Atlanta, too, until he got hurt.

GovClintonTyree

February 24th, 2010
6:20 pm

But Brian, you do admit – he’s a handsome man.

Just Pat

February 24th, 2010
6:23 pm

You know what impresses me the most about Heyward? He doesn’t seem overly impressed with HIMSELF. It’s kinda like “this is just what I DO, man”. Like it’s nothing out of the ordinary for him.

GovClintonTyree

February 24th, 2010
6:23 pm

Nolie, I’ll accept that friendly amendment on the 162 game thing.

You know, on nba.com, they give 40min averages. Maybe B-R should do a 140 game calculation.

nolie

February 24th, 2010
6:25 pm

I hated Chuck’s mechanics and did not believe he would succeed in the bigs though most thought me crazy. He was awesome in the minors cause he threw a ++ change, a pitch most hitters seldom see below AA-AAA and almost never that good of one.
His mechanics prevented him from pitching down consistantly and his other pitches were nothing special. I figured when he started pitching to MLB hitters he would have trouble.
Actually the Braves have had a number of pitchers who breezed through the minors on slow stuff only to fail in Atlanta.

Just Pat

February 24th, 2010
6:29 pm

OK….guy-o-s……before I open another beer here at the office, it’s time to hit the road for home. It’s COLD here in the FL Panhandle tonight. Glad Lew took some “winter” clothes to ST! Y’all have fun and play nice tonight.

nolie

February 24th, 2010
6:31 pm

Been cold all winter here in SW Fla. Worst winter I can remember in years, so I imagine it’s been cold up there.. Even had a little hail this afternoon.

Eric from MO

February 24th, 2010
6:32 pm

Nolie I didnt think Chuck could suceed as a starter. At best he would make a good reliever, actually said that several times. He only had two pitches and you just cant be a good starter with that. You can get away with it sometimes as a reliever but not as a starter.

jeffrey d

February 24th, 2010
6:32 pm

before I open another beer here at the office

Uh, where do you work??

ncscoots

February 24th, 2010
6:32 pm

It’s kinda like “this is just what I DO, man”.

If he’s still like that when he’s pulling $20MM annually, then, it will mean a little more, LOL. He’s still a rook, and he’ll have to wear a dress on a road trip just like any other rook. Tends to keep you from getting too puffed up. As does looking stupid on a changeup, LOL.

TennPaul, good points at 5:01. The glaring need for some sock the last two years probably blinded me to any other offensive needs. :-)

Roman Gal

February 24th, 2010
6:33 pm

J. Schafer has become serious trade bait

Shut yo mouf, G. Garbage!

Crime Dog

February 24th, 2010
6:33 pm

Just Pat- where in the Panhandle are you?

Just Pat

February 24th, 2010
6:33 pm

nolie

Since we’re right on the coast, we don’t usually have the extremes of hail, etc……just a few minor hurricanes…..like Dennis, etc.! :-)

Roman Gal

February 24th, 2010
6:34 pm

BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR A MAN, MID-20′S, LARGE TEETH, WITH FRENCH-LOOKING NAME ON THE BACK OF HIS JERSEY. wjones

Calm down. It’ll be ok! We’ll keep him safe, you’ll see!

Braveheart

February 24th, 2010
6:34 pm

Doesn’t it look like Saito and K.K. are lining up a putt?

Either that, or Crouching Tiger Saito is looking for Kawakami’s Hidden Dragon

GovClintonTyree

February 24th, 2010
6:35 pm

Nolie, I thought – I really did – that Chuck was a bit of a savant. He pitched up, you’re right, but as long as he had a four seamer with a little hop on it that was in the 91-92 range, he got an inordinate amount of pop ups. He could have used a third pitch other than that sloppy, inconsistent slider. But between the fastball up and the incredible change, he was on his way to being an improbably successful pitcher.

Once he got hurt, lost his location and was throwing 88, all those high fastballs became belt high meatballs and he was getting absolutely killed. But before that he was very effective with a chance to be more.

In the minors and his first year and a half in Atlanta, he had very good control, despite his odd mechanics with the flatfooted follow through. In fact, I recall his K/BB ratio in AA being something on the order of 11-1.

Oh, well. He’s probably done, and if he hadn’t gotten hurt he would have exasperated me with a lack of focus and strange decisions and HR/9. But I thought he was gonna do more.

Just Pat

February 24th, 2010
6:36 pm

jeffrey d

Have our own office/hubby workshop so we can pretty much do as we please. Even bring our dog to work with us, which is nice.

Crime Dog

Itty bitty town with NO redlights, very little traffic…..a place no one has ever heard of…. Carrabelle, FL……

jeffrey d

February 24th, 2010
6:38 pm

Maybe I’ll bring a beer and my dog with me to work tomrrow. See how that goes.

Crime Dog

February 24th, 2010
6:38 pm

Just Pat

Ah OK other side of PC. I’m in Ft. Walton Beach.

Crime Dog

February 24th, 2010
6:39 pm

And you’re right, I had never heard of it.

nolie

February 24th, 2010
6:39 pm

Since we’re right on the coast, we don’t usually have the extremes of hail, etc……just a few minor hurricanes…

I’m right on the water too-well the house is about a mile from the bay- so it is really unusual here too. Most of the country has had a tough winter and we have too, at least relatively. Hail only lasted about a minute and was small.but still surprising.

nolie

February 24th, 2010
6:44 pm

But I thought he was gonna do more. GOV

I’m always pretty skeptical about Braves minor league pitchers cause so many have done well down there and fizzled up here. Some with real dood MiLB stats. IMO when your out pitch is a changeup you need to be real special to succeed. A few do, but most don’t. MLB hitters will eventually adjust to that most of the time. Guy I thought might do a bit better than he did was Kyle.

cabravesfan

February 24th, 2010
6:49 pm

before I open another beer here at the office…
Uh, where do you work??

Jeffrey D-

Last week I opened the door to the refridgerator at my office and all that was in there was wine, beer, and margarita mix (the tequila is in the computer closet next to it) ;)

DMBJAMS

February 24th, 2010
6:49 pm

Just Pat, don’t kid yourself. You need an iPhone. Also, it’s DMB, not DBM. (smile)

I will admit I laughed a little when DOB referred to Jason’s “rippling biceps.” But hey, thats one of the many reasons I love this blog. DOB isn’t afraid to be real. He says they ripple. I believe they do. Id much rather he report what he sees than tip toe around the truth.

ncscoots

February 24th, 2010
6:51 pm

Guy I thought might do a bit better than he did was Kyle.

Man, Grinch used to give me SO much grief for touting Davies, LOL.

GovClintonTyree

February 24th, 2010
6:55 pm

Scoots and Nolie, I think Kyle was the embodiment of Crash Davis’ warning: “Don’t think. It’ll only hurt the ballclub.”

Dude came up and was unhittable for four starts. Never saw the strike zone again. And the 25% of the time he actually did throw a strike, somebody hit it hard somewhere, often driving in the two guys he’d just walked.

Glad I’m not a KC fan. And very surprised Francoeur didn’t wind up there.

Danga

February 24th, 2010
7:09 pm

“Also, if anybody has a practical joke you would like me to play on David O’Brien, I’ll be more than happy to accommodate you.”

Ya’ll see this in Schultz’s column?

ncscoots

February 24th, 2010
7:14 pm

Gov, the best talent evaluators on the planet could have a hard time seeing into a kid’s head, I reckon. Failure is the nature of the prospect beast, and prospect-hugging (I’m kinda semi on that, my own self) is built on denial of that very fact, LOL. We’re mostly doomed to disappointment.

But, I’d whole lot rather be often disappointed than seldom hopeful. That ain’t no way to go down the road, I say.

RHR

February 24th, 2010
7:15 pm

All i know is, if a sports illustrated writer/photographer gets anywhere near Heyward, DOB better take one for the team and kick their asses out of the joint. :D

keylargo

February 24th, 2010
7:16 pm

I’m right on the water too-well the house is about a mile from the bay- so it is really unusual here too. Nolie

I thought you were in Tallahassee?

nolie

February 24th, 2010
7:17 pm

well SCOOTS, I never went so far as touting him, I just thought he’d hold up a bit better than he did. goes to show…even a baseball genius like me misses one once in a while ;)

askinc

February 24th, 2010
7:18 pm

Denizens, Heywerd was seen (by me) shopping for a lamborghini (my wife works for the dealership) about a week ago. The sales manager said he was a very humble guy. Scares the heck out of me that a 20yr. old could be driving that kind of power. I don’t think he can afford one yet but he was impressed as was I when I saw him. He is huge!! Hopefully he will get one one day.

ncscoots

February 24th, 2010
7:19 pm

All i know is, if a sports illustrated writer/photographer gets anywhere near Heyward,

Oh, I imagine that guy will get elbowed out of the way by the Man Of The Year photog from Time. Not to worry.

RHR

February 24th, 2010
7:20 pm

lol scoots you’re on point today. PROPS.

Mekons

February 24th, 2010
7:21 pm

Hope I’m not repeating, but Baseball Tonight, which is a daytime show for now, will be at Dark Star Thursday at 3:30 EST. Which means most of the show will be about the Braves. And hopefully won’t be as cringeworthy as the interview with McGuire and Albert on Tuesday. Shudder. There were about 20 questions, all on the theme of “how awesome are you two?”

I can’t believe the first ST game is only 5.5 days away. This is gonna be a great season.

As for Schafer, Bobby was clearly covering for him. Schafer hid his injury and denied he was hurt even though he clearly could not get around on anything on the inside corner. At least without a lot of pain. I sorta like that he will start out in the minors. That means that Heyward is almost certain to make the team, and if he’s overmatched, he and Jordan can switch places for a while.

nolie

February 24th, 2010
7:21 pm

nope KL I’m over above Ft Myers. was in the bend in early 80s for a while.did some work on a masters in tallahassee. nice town but really hot in the summer with no water breeze, as is most all of central fla

Markus

February 24th, 2010
7:22 pm

Francoeur does have big teeth. I think him and Garret Atkins have the biggest set of dentures in the history of the game.

That Atkins can’t even close his mouth and Francoeur is almost there, not quit though.

ncscoots

February 24th, 2010
7:23 pm

even a baseball genius like me misses one once in a while

Indeed. I know, for me, the infrequency merely exacerbates the shock of the rare event, LOL.

Soph

February 24th, 2010
7:26 pm

Maybe I’ll bring a beer and my dog with me to work tomrrow. See how that goes.

I don’t know about beer but your dog is more than welcome to join me at work. I could use the company.

dpelfrey

February 24th, 2010
7:27 pm

Sorry I started all the arguing over the baby braves. I wasn’t trying to compare them to Hanson and Heyward. I know these two guys are rare prospects that we haven’t seen since Andruw came up. Just trying to say I ran across that list of players and remembered back to how excited I was about the future of the Braves at that time. I would have sworn to you that at least half a dozen of these guys would be long-term producers in ATL. Just gave me some perspective, that’s all.

I thought Lerew was actually going to be the best out of that bunch. Shows what I know.

keylargo

February 24th, 2010
7:28 pm

You probably know where Matlacha is then? I did some work at Pine Island Marina back in about 90 and lived there for awile. I’m certain that place is not the same now.

nolie

February 24th, 2010
7:28 pm

I know, for me, the infrequency merely exacerbates the shock of the rare event, LOL. SCOOTS

so just imagine how big a shock it id to me when I do it. even higher on the Richter Scale :)

Soph

February 24th, 2010
7:31 pm

Uh oh, Ozzie Guillen opened a twitter account. This should be fun.

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=4943110

dpelfrey

February 24th, 2010
7:33 pm

The what-could-have-been rotation of the late 90’s and early 00’s. Granted, some of these went on to decent careers elsewhere.

Bruce Chen
Odalis Perez
Jason Schmidt
David Nied
Winston Abreu

Abreu might be a little weak in the 5 spot, but I couldn’t think of anymore stud prospect pitchers off the top of my head. Maybe Terrell Wade instead. Any other ideas?

joerochester

February 24th, 2010
7:33 pm

My advice to you? Get your facts straight!

Jay212033

February 24th, 2010
7:33 pm

richbrave

You left out the best player in the DSL that needs to be watched and that’s ANDY OTERO, LHP. This kid put up crazy numbers down there granted it’s the DSL but he dominated his league.

GovClintonTyree

February 24th, 2010
7:35 pm

Sophia, I saw that. +/- for Guillen getting fired for shooting his mouth off in real time: May 31. I’ll take earlier.

ncscoots

February 24th, 2010
7:35 pm

nolie, it does not bear imagining, my friend, LOL.

Soph

February 24th, 2010
7:41 pm

GCT – I say he’ll get canned by June 30 for saying something crazy or insensitive on that thing. We should take bets.

dpelfrey

February 24th, 2010
7:42 pm

Jay, a great stat line from the DSL team…

Jorge Paulino…30 IP, 7 H, 49 K…

Oh, I almost forgot, 28 BB

thinbreakness

February 24th, 2010
7:43 pm

Since I proclaimed the Braves would win 96 games this year I did some research to see when was the last season they won 96 games.

2004 with a starting rotation of: P Byrd, M Hampton, R Ortiz, J Thompson, J Wright.

jeffrey d

February 24th, 2010
7:46 pm

Why would Ozzie get fired for saying something stupid on Twitter? He’s said something stupid in just about every other media and he’s still around

BossLady

February 24th, 2010
7:47 pm

JustPat I remember the days with my first husband owning our business when we threw back many beers. All I can say is that it is probably why he is an EX. I don’t by any means imply this about your marriage. I summed it up with sometimes it is not good to have too much power, money and independence.

joerochester

February 24th, 2010
7:49 pm

I owe John Thompson a lot. He threw a no-hitter for me on ESPN 2K3 (XBOX).

thinbreakness

February 24th, 2010
7:49 pm

2004 bullpen had Reitsma and Alfonseca setting up for Smoltz with no lefties in the pen on opening day.

joerochester

February 24th, 2010
7:49 pm

Soph

February 24th, 2010
7:50 pm

jeffrey – true, but according to that article the Sox are not happy about him using twitter. And, if goes bananas and says something extra crazy then they might make the move. Who knows.

jeffrey d

February 24th, 2010
7:51 pm

I never liked Ozzie’s “Look at how BA I am – Ican say what’s on my mind and I don’t care what you think” attitude.

joerochester

February 24th, 2010
7:51 pm

Ozzie always goes bananas. The man is the most negative manager.

Jay212033

February 24th, 2010
7:52 pm

dpelfrey

Paulino had great K numbers but his control needs work but that’s key with most young guys. But Otero blew all their numbers away and the thing about him he was one of the youngest guys on the team AND he only 5′9″!!!

thinbreakness

February 24th, 2010
7:53 pm

The Braves used 38 players in 2004 including JD’s brother Tim.

thinbreakness

February 24th, 2010
7:54 pm

jeffrey d-
What if Ozzie is right about Vazquez?

jeffrey d

February 24th, 2010
7:55 pm

Tim Andrew Drew. A little redundant

Goldenglove002

February 24th, 2010
7:56 pm

First base market looks pretty nice next year incase Freddie Freeman isn’t ready. Lance Berkman, Adam Dunn, Paul Konerko, Adam Laroche, Derrek Lee and Carlosr Pena (hopefully Glaus looks like a good option also, because it means he will have a good year this year)

Rob from SC

February 24th, 2010
7:56 pm

looks like we woke Canada up

jeffrey d

February 24th, 2010
7:56 pm

What if Ozzie is right about Vazquez?

What? That he’s not a big game pitcher? From the looks of last season, it looks like he’s a lot better in less pressure situations

thinbreakness

February 24th, 2010
7:56 pm

joerochester

February 24th, 2010
7:57 pm

What if Ozzie is right about Vazquez?

Well, he did give up one of the biggest home runs ever in 2004.

Soph

February 24th, 2010
7:59 pm

Ozzie was normal as a player though, right? I may have selective memory here but I don’t remember him being a big talker when he played with the Braves.

jeffrey d

February 24th, 2010
8:01 pm

I may have selective memory here but I don’t remember him being a big talker when he played with the Braves.

I don’t remember much either, but I do remember hearing that he said something funny when someone got his first hit, or finally got out of a slump or something.

thinbreakness

February 24th, 2010
8:06 pm

Preface, I really liked what Vazquez did for the Braves last year, but he did put a lot of our outfielders on the warning track. Almost 50% of the outs he recorded were fly balls. 20 HRs in 219 innings is very good. 10 at home 10 on the road. Who knows, maybe he’ll keep em in the park at Fenway, Yankee and Camden.

Glen W

February 24th, 2010
8:09 pm

About to do an auction style fanatasy baseball draft… too soon? Nahhhh.

Interested to see whay Heyward goes for.

bravofan

February 24th, 2010
8:15 pm

join the group I made on facebook its called thank you bobby cox for all you have done!!

GovClintonTyree

February 24th, 2010
8:15 pm

Soph: Nah, Ozzie always ran his mouth. He wasn’t the leader of his organization, though.

Funny how Bobby rubbed off on him not one bit.

GovClintonTyree

February 24th, 2010
8:19 pm

Thin, I really think Javi had the perfect storm here – still fly ball prone, but in the right park. He could still be had in the bandboxes. Going to the AL East, I think 35 dingers allowed is a possibility, which will raise the ERA along with the DH.

He was much more valuable here (or a similar home park) than he will be in Bankee Stadium, especially, as you point out, with Fenway and Camden in his division.

Heath

February 24th, 2010
8:19 pm

Rob from SC -

At least they are on the other side of the bracket. Won’t have to face them again until the gold medal game. Assuming, of course, we beat the winner of the Czech Republic/Finland game…

nolie

February 24th, 2010
8:21 pm

hat if Ozzie is right about Vazquez? THICK

right about him in what way? He had a great year going into Sept until Oz started using him on short rest. We have discussed short rest on here many times, the failure raye is about 70 %. So he uses him poorly and then throws him under the bus publicly for not doing well. Total Azshole.Even then he ended up with a league average ERA+ for that park.

nolie

February 24th, 2010
8:23 pm

Well, he did give up one of the biggest home runs ever in 2004. joe

mighty limited ‘forever’ you’re using there joe. Most years some pitcher gives up a huge HR.

nolie

February 24th, 2010
8:24 pm

it looks like he’s a lot better in less pressure situations jeffrey

what does that mean? He pitched the best of the year late when we were in contention.

bravesgrl4life

February 24th, 2010
8:25 pm

Good news. Although Tyler at the Braves Guest Services told me today that tickets were being printed and would be mailed next week, I came home to find my package waiting for me today!!! It’s official – I will be in the stands on April 5!!!!!

GovClintonTyree

February 24th, 2010
8:25 pm

Nolie: Yeah, absolutely NOT a fan of short rest. Some horses can do it, but even then it eventually catches up with them (see Sabathia, circa 2008). 95% of the time you’re better off throwing your fourth starter, even if they’re not stout.

nolie

February 24th, 2010
8:26 pm

GovClintonTyree

February 24th, 2010
8:28 pm

I feel very conflicted about Javi. I understand that last year was a career year and he would have been very unlikely to do it again, but – I probably saw 25 of his starts, and like to think I know pitching a little bit – was so incredibly impressed with his consistency and his stuff and his control. Only time he got hurt was people taking him deep. Man, he was good.

Andrew in PA

February 24th, 2010
8:31 pm

wow this hockey game is getting bad

Andrew in PA

February 24th, 2010
8:32 pm

haha from bad to worse

Rob from SC

February 24th, 2010
8:32 pm

Russia looks lost

Andrew in PA

February 24th, 2010
8:36 pm

malkin,ovie and semin arnt doing anything

thinbreakness

February 24th, 2010
8:39 pm

nolie-
Ha ain’t a Brave anymore. As a Brave fan and hater of the Yankees, I’m dubious about what he did in Atlanta. And since you don’t trust the way the Braves develop pitching prospects like Glavine, Schmidt, Merker, Stanton, Millwood, Bedrosian, P Smith, O Perez, Wohlers, Marquis, Wainwright, Hanson, Medlen, Moylan……oh who cares.

Mixxo

February 24th, 2010
8:39 pm

Schafer’s a joke and a wimp. I knew we screwed up letting Anderson go to Detroit.

joerochester

February 24th, 2010
8:41 pm

Nolie … Put down the scotch. You’re in a drunken rage.

nolie

February 24th, 2010
8:42 pm

I feel very conflicted about Javi. GOV

he is a fly ball pitcher, and some are gonna go out. The Ted was a good park for him cause it kept more of the im. A guy like him has a tougher task in a hitters park than someone like Huddy who keeps the ball on the ground more. He pitched a year in Ariz and 3 in Chi both extreme hitters parks, and was at least league average ERA+ in those parkr, with one great year in Chi and shoul;d have had another if handled right. He will certainly revert to near league average in the NY stadium, but if he stayed here there is no reason to think he would not have had another good year-though likely more in the 120-125 ERA+ than the 143 he has in 09.
He’s not perfect, hr has his weaknesses, but he has pitched better the last 10 years than most are willing to see. He does have some confidence issues which is another reason he did well here, nobody can build up your confidence better than ol’ Booby. :)

Crime Dog

February 24th, 2010
8:45 pm

Mixxo-

How exactly is Schafer a wimp?

nolie

February 24th, 2010
8:45 pm

Glavine, Schmidt, Merker, Stanton, Millwood, Bedrosian, P Smith, O Perez, Wohlers, Marquis, Wainwright, Hanson, Medlen, Moylan……

straw man dude, I didn’t say anything about any of them, but times that number by about 10 and that’s how many didn’t make it. and I said nothing about it being the Braves fault. Get off your high horse.
His numbers here in 09 were only 4 ERA_ points under his next best year, but yoy are exactly the type of fan who keeps up that garbage against him you’re right, who cares?

joerochester

February 24th, 2010
8:46 pm

Girardi seems like more of a positive manager than Guillen. It will be interesting to see how Javy does. I read one columnist who said he doesn’t think having Javy in the 4 spot will release the pressure.

nolie

February 24th, 2010
8:47 pm

Put down the scotch. You’re in a drunken rage. joe

I don’t drink and I’m not in a rage. You will have no doubt if you ever read me in a rage.

Andrew in PA

February 24th, 2010
8:49 pm

ATL signs Salcedo … a good move?
12:50
PM ETAtlanta Braves Top Email The Atlanta Braves have inked Dominican shortstop Edward Salcedo, giving him $1.6 million and will likely start him off in Class A ball.

Salcedo’s story started two summers ago when every team this side of Mars wanted the infielder, but serious questions ensued about his true age.

Those have apparently been resolved, as Salcedo has been cleared by MLB and will report to Spring Training for the Braves.

For a look at what Salcedo might bring to the table for Atlanta on the coming years, we look to our in-house talent evaluator, Keith Law.

Keith Law
Salcedo’s talent level

“The only consistent opinion on Salcedo among baseball people I talked to is that he’s going to hit, followed by the opinion that he’ll probably end up at third base. No one is sure at all of his age, other than a pervasive disbelief in the claim that he’s 18, which would have been consistent with the age in the fraudulent documents that he used to visit the US two-plus years ago when he agreed to terms with Cleveland. Salcedo had been mixed up with some locals the first time around who saw him as a meal ticket and nearly wrecked his career – although his level of involvement in the scam remains unknown – but as soon as he’s cleared to play Atlanta appears to have a prospect who’d immediately be top six or so in their system.”

NO MORE BOBBY

February 24th, 2010
8:50 pm

Schafer is listening to advice in his comeback?

Well he is listening to the wrong guy in that picture posted.

thinbreakness

February 24th, 2010
8:52 pm

nolie-
“I’ve always been pretty skeptical about Braves minor league pitchers cause so many have done well down there and fizzled up here.”

Maybe I just misread, but I figure every ML Club has a low success rate when it comes to pitching.

Salt life

February 24th, 2010
8:53 pm

Anyone with experience in staining furniture?………I have to stain my bar and am a little aprehensive. I’ve sanded, cleaned, and taped it off, but it mocks me.

nolie

February 24th, 2010
8:53 pm

The first day of the trade I said he would have a great year here and explained exactly why, and guess what? that’s exactly what happened. All you need to be able to do is look past raw ERA which is park dependent and W/L numbers which are team dependent.

Braveheart

February 24th, 2010
8:54 pm

Randomly perusing baseball-reference:

Peter Moylan’s 174 ERA+ is the best of all Braves pitchers who have pitched 180+ innings as a Brave in the 130 something year history of the franchise.

Jair’s 134 ERA+ is the third best for Braves pitchers who have pitched 400+ innings as a Brave in franchise history.

NO MORE BOBBY

February 24th, 2010
8:55 pm

P'cola Brave

February 24th, 2010
8:56 pm

mixxo

He only gritted it out for several weeks. I guess he was suppose to hit .200 or lower all year. I can tell by your comments that you aren’t a baseball player at least not a very good one. Because anyone whose played with a wrist problem knows how difficult it is to play with it. And it wasn’t just a sprain, It was broke.

Andrew in PA

February 24th, 2010
8:58 pm

russia needs to score before this period to have a chance

nolie

February 24th, 2010
8:58 pm

every ML Club has a low success rate when it comes to pitching.

which is why I am always skeptical I didn’t say it was only the Braves. But the Braves hype their MiLB pitching more than many teams and their minor league parks are mostly pitcher friendly which makes pitchers often look better than they would look in other places.

Bobby Hill

February 24th, 2010
9:00 pm

That comment by Wren Killed Us came across and half crazy and half mean-spirited jerk with a few half truths mixed in. Everyone was pretty quick to dismiss his comment, but there was some truth to what he said.

Signing Lowe last year was a mistake. I thought so then and I think so now. Wren wasn’t even interested in Lowe until he had missed out on Burnett, and after seeing Smoltz bolt for Boston, Wren was desperate for a big signing and some positive press. Kawakami pitched well last season, but there really was no justification for a three year $24 million contract. 8 million is a lot of money for a number 5 starter. As bad as that is $15 million for a number 4 starter is ever worse.

That money could certainly could have been better spent a year ago acquiring a legitimate first baseman, or left fielder. Lowe’s huge contract forced the braves to trade Vazquez this year, and will prevent them from acquiring other pieces for the next couple of years. In a few years as the Brave’s young players reach arbitration they are gonna have to make some tough choices. It would really suck if the Braves are unable to hold onto Jurrjens or Escobar because of Lowe’s bloated contract.

thinbreakness

February 24th, 2010
9:00 pm

nolie-
My bad Dude, when I read your comment it looked singularly directed to the Braves. I’m sorry man, just misinterpreted what you said.

JasonInFL

February 24th, 2010
9:01 pm

Agreed…way too much money for Lowe and KK

joerochester

February 24th, 2010
9:02 pm

KK only had one year in the majors. How can you judge that signing based on one year of work?

Salt life

February 24th, 2010
9:05 pm

joerochester…………agreed. Dude got hurt then got banished. I can say without being wrong that he beat or held his own against most of the best pitching in the league.

nolie

February 24th, 2010
9:07 pm

THICK, going back and rereading I can see where you might have thought that. my poor wording

joerochester

February 24th, 2010
9:10 pm

Furthermore, Lowe was not a 3rd/4th starter when signed. He is now because of the talent that surrounds him. Maybe he’ll pitch better with less pressure to be an ace.

Braveheart

February 24th, 2010
9:13 pm

Some more random baseball-reference:

Of the 44 players picked by the Braves in the 22nd round since 1965, only 3 reached the majors.

Only one reached the majors as a Brave – Tommy Hanson.

Only one reached the majors before their 30th birthday – Tommy Hanson.

thinbreakness

February 24th, 2010
9:15 pm

nolie-
I’m sure you’ve heard tons of BS, but like you’ve said in the past, what benefit is gained from downplaying your own talent. I bet the hype machine has led to many unbalanced trades.

GovClintonTyree

February 24th, 2010
9:18 pm

Nolie, the statheads call the phenomenon of high pitcher washout “TINSTAAPP”.

There Is No Such Thing As A PItching Prospect.

JasonInFL

February 24th, 2010
9:18 pm

I am not saying I don’t like KK…I am saying I don’t like KK at $8 mill as a 5th starter…and I don’t care how relaxed Lowe is…if you don’t think that $15/yr for Lowe at his age was a bit high, well, we will agree to disagree

joerochester

February 24th, 2010
9:21 pm

Jason

Scarcity is what drives up the price of products. At the time there were no more pitchers worth signing. Would you rather the Mets had signed Lowe and the Braves Oliver Perez for 12 mill?

EatPhillie

February 24th, 2010
9:24 pm

I’m not coming on here to bash your team. As a matter of fact, I’m a little worried. I think the Phills will win the east, but if the Braves hold on and win the wild card I feel my team will have trouble in a short playoff series against Atlanta. You guys pitching is solid while outside of Halladay I’m not so confortable.

Hamels worries me. So does Blanton,Happ,Moyer and Lidge you just don’t know.

I think Heyward is the real deal. He looks like Howard, maybe even a better all around player.

38YearBravesFan

February 24th, 2010
9:25 pm

“Schafe last year unfortunately broke his hand, and played with it,” Cox said. “It really wasn’t fair to him. I was kind of selfish, I left him in there because of his defense. I thought we’d hit enough to get by.”

This comment bothers me. I thought Managers would put health, especially broken bones, above something like defense. I didn’t think they were that desparate… Maybe it’s good he is retiring.

GO BRAVES!!

Salt life

February 24th, 2010
9:27 pm

JasoninFL……agreed on Lowe. However, the fan base was close to dumping the hotplate into the bathtub if a move wasn’t made. KK was a no. 1 in Japan. He proved his mettle to me with that gem he twirled against Halladay back in May. One of the best pitched games (by both) I’ve seen in a while.

nolie

February 24th, 2010
9:27 pm

There Is No Such Thing As A PItching Prospect GOV

yeah I’ve been using that kiddingly to draw a little comment for years. There is a kernel of truth in a tongue in cheek phrase.Gary Huckaby is credited with coining it

joerochester

February 24th, 2010
9:28 pm

EatPhillie

You think the Phillies will re-sign Werth?

Rob from SC

February 24th, 2010
9:28 pm

EatPhillie

In all fairness to Hamels, I think last year, he was effected by all the October innings he pitched on the way to winning the World Series. Ssame thing happened to Verlander after the Tigers made that long run.

nolie

February 24th, 2010
9:29 pm

THICK the very first thing they teach you when you work for a team is not to fall in love with the talent. The fact that they play for your team should have no influence on what you think about them.

thinbreakness

February 24th, 2010
9:32 pm

Rob-
Now you understand how impressive 14 consecutive Division titles are. Imagine all the additional innings that were piled on the Braves staff during this run.

nolie

February 24th, 2010
9:33 pm

This comment bothers me. 38year

why? he never told anybody about it, Cox didn’t know or he would have sat him down right away.

David O'Brien

February 24th, 2010
9:33 pm

Did UNC really wear silver uniforms tonight in “honor” of the 25th anniversary of Air Jordan shoes?

nolie

February 24th, 2010
9:34 pm

Scarcity is what drives up the price of products. At the time there were no more pitchers worth signing. Would you rather the Mets had signed Lowe and the Braves Oliver Perez for 12 mill? joe r

I agree with you

Rob from SC

February 24th, 2010
9:34 pm

thinbreakness

February 24th, 2010
9:32 pm
Rob-
Now you understand how impressive 14 consecutive Division titles are. Imagine all the additional innings that were piled on the Braves staff during this run.

I always understood how impressive all those Division Titles were. I just think young pitchers are treated like babies in the minor leagues.

thinbreakness

February 24th, 2010
9:35 pm

nolie-
That’s good business. But I’d imagine good business is also selling an inferior product and knowing what is a superior product.

nolie

February 24th, 2010
9:40 pm

is also selling an inferior product and knowing what is a superior product. THICK

true as long as you are impartial enough to know which is which. and the Braves have always done well in trading off guys who did not make it for better players.

David O'Brien

February 24th, 2010
9:43 pm

Mixxo, our of curiosity I did a quick search for your comments over the past couple of months. Seems at least nine out of 10 had something in common: Bitterness.

High marks for consistency.

nolie

February 24th, 2010
9:44 pm

I just think young pitchers are treated like babies in the minor leagues. ROB

Guys bodies are still growing and developing at that age and it is still very easy and has happened very often to ruin a shoulder or other part beyond repair. Why would anybody take any unnecessary risk with such valuable and limited resources?

Rob from SC

February 24th, 2010
9:46 pm

nolie

Don’t you build arm strength by throwing

Voice of Harold

February 24th, 2010
9:50 pm

The UNC unis were atrocious, but not nearly as atrocious as their guard play. And, they are way too small (as in skinny, or “narrow-a$$ed” as my coach used to say). I’m not sure next year will be much better unless the next class has a ball-handler and some beef.

thinbreakness

February 24th, 2010
9:50 pm

nolie-
That was my point about the Braves. I’m sure many organizations do it just as well, but the only team I follow are the Braves.

Voice of Harold

February 24th, 2010
9:52 pm

I think KK is in for a solid season, btw. Better run support, 3.50 ERA. I just like his make-up, and having Saito around is gonna be a big plus.

joerochester

February 24th, 2010
9:53 pm

Is there good Asian food in Atlanta?

GovClintonTyree

February 24th, 2010
9:54 pm

Eat Phillie, thanks for your comments. Regardless of the depth of your pitching staff, it’s been a long time since anyone’s seen an offense quite like the one you all have assembled in your friendly city.

Probably why we feel inadequate with ours. Like a girl with a C Cup longing for DDs. ;)

Hopefully we’ll cobble together enough offense to give you guys a run for your money. And although the depth of our starting staff is obvious, I think people will miss just how deep our bullpen is. Good bench, too.

But, oh, to trot out Rollins, Victorino, Utley, Howard, Ibanez, Werth, Polanco every day…

nolie

February 24th, 2010
9:54 pm

to an extent sure, but not unnecessary stress throwing. Braves minors used to do a good bit of long toss under Leo’s helm. Don’t know if that is still done a lot now or not. Studies prove that too many innings pitched at too young an age raises the chances of injury. Doesn’t happen to everybody obviously, but it does make the odds worse. Once they reach 25 or so it seems to have a lot less effect. So since there are a lot of questions still unanswered and risks to very valuable assets, most teams probably do err on the side of caution. We will learn more and more as studies continue, but it only make sense to be careful. How hard was it for you to hurt your shoulder? Overhand throwing is not a natural action and too much repetition, especially in stressful situations when the whole body tends to tense more and strain more, cab be harmful.

joerochester

February 24th, 2010
9:55 pm

Drew Brees is coming to Rochester. Tickets are $150 a pop.

DAP

February 24th, 2010
9:57 pm

bobby hillThat money could certainly could have been better spent a year ago acquiring a legitimate first baseman, or left fielder.

I think it takes a little bit of revision to history to assume the braves could have signed a first baseman or a leftfielder. We had a first baseman, and what leftfielder should we have gotten? You think it would have been better to beat the phils offer to Ibanez? Maybe Milton Bradley or pat burrell? Would that have been your solution? No, the money went where it should have gone for 2009. It would have been good not to get lowe for 4 years, but wren had to do what he had to do. The lowe signing is only slightly tragic. There is a lot of positives in having our pitching rotation set for the next several years.

Steve from OH

February 24th, 2010
10:00 pm

Don’t you build arm strength by throwing

Doesn’t have to be all high-intensity throwing, Rob. Big misconception by fans, who think pitchers are pansies if they call off with a sore arm or are “coddled” by their coaches. Wrong. They’re smart. Now long-toss is completely different. It’s a great way to build arm strength, and can be as low-intensity as one needs. Leo really talked about it in his book and I agree with him 100%.

And keep in mind that the muscles you’re using really aren’t your big muscles (the rotator cuff muscles). They’re not as well-equipped to handle those high amounts of force as well as a quadriceps muscle or a pec muscle.

thinbreakness

February 24th, 2010
10:03 pm

DAP-
I don’t think some people will ever get the need at the time to sign Lowe. Maybe this year he goes 20-10, 3.35 and 210 IP and people will shut the hell up about his contract. I for one don’t think that honestly addresses the situation, some people just need it.

GovClintonTyree

February 24th, 2010
10:03 pm

DAP, it would be revisionist history to not note that in October of 2008, Frank Wren publicly stated that we needed two pitchers and a big bat in the outfield. He overbought on pitching and had to settle for Loaf ’cause he was broke.

He was exactly right – he needed two pitchers and a big bat. He bought three pitchers. Now we’re hoping that the big bats are Glaus and Heyward. But I’m feeling lucky this time. And yes, I’m glad we have that kind of pitching depth.

nolie

February 24th, 2010
10:06 pm

And keep in mind that the muscles you’re using really aren’t your big muscles (the rotator cuff muscles). They’re not as well-equipped to handle those high amounts of force as well as a quadriceps muscle or a pec muscle. STEVE

good point buddy

joerochester

February 24th, 2010
10:08 pm

clinton

The outfielder market wasn’t exactly great last year.

DAP

February 24th, 2010
10:08 pm

govclintontyree Frank Wren publicly stated that we needed two pitchers and a big bat in the outfield. He overbought on pitching and had to settle for Loaf ’cause he was broke.

ok, fine. lets see if we can come up with a big bat on the free agent market that wren should have signed instead of getting lowe or kawakami.

joerochester

February 24th, 2010
10:09 pm

We may see Ibanez shoot back down to earth this year. His production started off hot but he cooled off eventually.

DAP

February 24th, 2010
10:10 pm

and i say free agent big bats because after the vazquez trade, any trade we made would have required one or more of the “untouchables”, schafer, hanson, heyward, freeman, ect.

Rob from SC

February 24th, 2010
10:11 pm

Steve from OH

DO we no longer stress long tossing

tiger297

February 24th, 2010
10:12 pm

joe

do you mean upscale asian or authentic…we have both (although the authentic can cause intestinal issues if you aren’t ready for it)

Steve from OH

February 24th, 2010
10:14 pm

Now, obviously, you can strengthen your rotator cuff muscles using target exercises (all pitchers should do this, btw), but even still, consider that a healthy teres minor can generate around 60 pounds of force. I’m reading a study that shows (if I’m interpreting it correctly) that the force on a shoulder is about 108% of body weight–so you’re looking at much more than 60 lb. of force on that joint. Obviously, good mechanics will distribute that force about several muscles, ligaments, etc (and hopefully on to larger muscle groups), but it shows that the forces you generate on that shoulder are not insignificant and it is certainly prudent to allow proper rest for young pitchers, with plenty of time for proper conditioning as opposed to full-out workouts as the staple conditioning practice.

Steve from OH

February 24th, 2010
10:17 pm

I really doubt that we don’t long-toss, Rob. It is one of those things that I would think (hope) would be pretty ubiquitous across professional circles. Just please consider that there are a ton of factors going into this, such as the inherent ability of the athlete to exert control over his muscles, the inherent strength of his muscles, ligaments and tendons, his conditioning regimen, his age, his mechanics, his intelligence, etc. that contribute to his risk for injury. Generally, the younger the age, the more cautious you are, but is is never a bad idea to err on the side of caution given the stress subjected to the shoulder during throwing.

Now the elbow? No biggie! Just give ‘em a Tommy John and they’ll be good as new, LOL!

GovClintonTyree

February 24th, 2010
10:19 pm

LFs available in 2008: Dunn, Abreu, Burrell, Ibanez. Right off the top of my head. Yes, Burrell had a lousy year in Tampa, but all of those would have been a better cleanup option than Garrett Anderson.

nick not Nick

February 24th, 2010
10:20 pm

I am sure this has already been asked and I am sorry if it has but is Saito going to be a free agent after this year? I know he signed a 1/yr deal but he has only 4 years of service time according to Cots and it doesn’t say he will be a free agent at the end of this contract like it does with KK’s contract and some of the other Japanese contract details. Thanks!

nolie

February 24th, 2010
10:21 pm

Now the elbow? No biggie! Just give ‘em a Tommy John and they’ll be good as new, LOL! STEVE

yeah they have made great strides on the elbow and the knee. I can remember when any joint injury and you were done. Tired arm? go home get yourself a life. Torn knee? Huge scar and lucky if you didn’t limp at least some.

Steve from OH

February 24th, 2010
10:23 pm

I believe Leo suggested in his book that if a you start on Monday, you should take Tuesday off (just run, but you should do that every day, LOL!), long-toss Wednesday, thow a low-intensity side session working entirely on location on Thursday, long-toss Friday, and start again on Saturday. I really like that plan because you get a tremendous amount of low-intensity conditioning that both builds stamina as well as arm strength, and you get a nice chance to work on your command in between starts as well. The key is just to not over do it.

Heath

February 24th, 2010
10:23 pm

So, who do we want to win? Czech Republic or Finland?

THB

February 24th, 2010
10:23 pm

Haven’t posted here in a while, been busy with school, wrestling, etc…

But anyway, our farm system is shaping up very nicely…some elite talent outside of Heyward in Freeman, Teheran, Viscaino, Salcedo, Bethancourt, and Delgado. Not to mention solid prospects like Minor, Kimbrel, and possibly Hicks. I’m very excited about Salcedo, especially since they’re saying he’s at least going to hit. As long as he can hit, he’ll find a position, whether it’s SS or 3B. I can see him shooting up to High-A by the end of this year.

Our big league lineup is solid…not the best in the division right now, but that’s going to be determined by performances we can’t really project, like Heyward and Glaus. If they put up solid numbers, our team will be in contention.

Here are my projections for the year:

CF McLouth – .263/.354/.456, 20 HR, 68 RBI
2B Prado – .278/.347/.435, 11 HR, 62 RBI
3B Jones – .294/.395/.482, 21 HR, 75 RBI
1B Glaus – .257/.355/.510, 24 HR, 81 RBI
C McCann – .313/.377/.502, 22 HR, 87 RBI
SS Escobar – .309/.369/.475, 17 HR, 72 RBI
RF Heyward – .274/.358/.459, 18 HR, 69 RBI
LF Diaz – .288/.344/.460, 12 HR, 55 RBI

SP Lowe – 14-12, 3.74 ERA, 120 SO
SP Jurrjens – 16-8, 3.24 ERA, 180 SO
SP Hudson – 13-9, 3.64 ERA, 160 SO
SP Hanson – 12-11, 3.55 ERA, 210 SO
SP Kawakami – 10-12, 4.09 ERA, 175 SO
CL Wagner – 33 S, 6 BS

joerochester

February 24th, 2010
10:24 pm

I would have rathered they sign Andruw than Anderson. I will admit that. But Ibanez was a gamble… Burrell is just as bad as Anderson defensively. Dunn is a liability defensively (dude can rock it, though), and Abreu was a gamble, too.

Steve from OH

February 24th, 2010
10:24 pm

Yeah, the elbow and knee aren’t too complicated as compared to the shoulder, in terms of range-of-motion. Not too difficult to figure out a good procedure to fix a joint that can really only move in one direction.

Now, in practice…

DAP

February 24th, 2010
10:25 pm

govclintontyree, good eye on abreu. i forgot about him, and i was very disappointed at the time that we didnt get him. i will totally give you that one. burrell, no way. ibanez would have cost over $30mil for 3 years, that might be a worse signing than either of the pitchers we got, adam dunn may have been worth getting.

David O'Brien

February 24th, 2010
10:26 pm

Lance Link, Secret Chimp: I’d say probably Conrad for the last utility job, unless Thurston totally outperforms him this spring. To me, Thurston is the guy you’d want if you had to use him for a week or two to fill in for someone (unlikely with Infante on team), but Conrad is the guy you’d rather have coming off the bench for one game or for a pinch-hit or whatever. He’s got a lot more pop, more likely to give you an extra-base hit and/or spark with his high-energy game.

DAP

February 24th, 2010
10:28 pm

joerochester Abreu was a gamble, too.

i dont really think he was. abreu has been one of the most consistant players in MLB for a decade.

LongtimeBravesfan

February 24th, 2010
10:30 pm

nick not Nick, I believe that Saito will be arbitration eligible in 20011 and a free agent after that. That’s how Cot’s contracts has him listed.

GovClintonTyree

February 24th, 2010
10:33 pm

Yeah, DAP and joe rochester, my thinking at the time – and still, really – is that for a major bopper, I’d've put up with sub-standard defense, at least in LF. And we didn’t have any way of predicting that Burrell wouldn’t be a major bopper. None of those guys is much of an outfielder, but all of them would have given us some needed ballast in the lineup. And we didn’t miss the playoffs by much, and Kawakami spit sunflower seeds for most of September.

So I would have gone for any of them, and I’m admitting I would have blown it if I had been GM because I would have signed Burrell to 2/$16m. Of course, I would have signed Dunn to 2/$20m or Abreu to 2/$16m. Guess I would’ve lost Ibanez to the Phillies, ’cause I wouldn’t have gone that high for him.

joerochester

February 24th, 2010
10:33 pm

Troy Glaus had a bronze medal.

nolie

February 24th, 2010
10:33 pm

Neither can play short worth a tinker’s damn, so I’m on the Feliz boat mentioned earlier. He can’t either, but at least he can hit major league pitching a bit.

joerochester

February 24th, 2010
10:34 pm

Abreu is not a bopper. But Dunn I like. We’ve had the conversation about Dunn many times on the blog.

DAP

February 24th, 2010
10:36 pm

nolie, feliz? do you mean felipe lopez?

Soph

February 24th, 2010
10:38 pm

Pedro Feliz, I think?

GovClintonTyree

February 24th, 2010
10:39 pm

Well, anyway, old news on the ‘08 LF thing.

Found out tonight that my daughter was accepted to her school of choice, Georgia State. Yahoo!

nolie

February 24th, 2010
10:39 pm

which one is a free agent? either would be an improvement

nolie

February 24th, 2010
10:40 pm

congrats Gov. Good for her!

David O'Brien

February 24th, 2010
10:41 pm

Oh, and Lance Link, no I didn’t get over to get the CD. It was pouring when I left the ballpark tonight, didn’t feel like driving through traffic in rain to find a place to buy it. Tomorrow.

Schultz is now here at the MIB Blog annex on the shores of Lake Bryan. He’s staying four days. Making him sleep on the deck outside.

Soph

February 24th, 2010
10:43 pm

Found out tonight that my daughter was accepted to her school of choice, Georgia State. Yahoo!

Yay! My alma mater. :-D

Congrats to her!

GovClintonTyree

February 24th, 2010
10:45 pm

O’Brien, be careful. Schultz has plans to mess with you.

Steve from OH

February 24th, 2010
10:45 pm

My cousin went to GA state, Gov. Your daughter will love it, I bet.

You guys are lucky to have that scholarship to all of your state schools. And I get to look at my loans and cry inside…

GovClintonTyree

February 24th, 2010
10:46 pm

Thanks, Soph and nolie. Her name’s Katie and she wants to be a journalist. I suggested she play in a band so she’d have something to fall back on. ;)

GovClintonTyree

February 24th, 2010
10:47 pm

And Steve. Yeah, the Hope Scholarship is a good thing.

thinbreakness

February 24th, 2010
10:48 pm

Tell Schultz to stop being so objective and get behind the 2010 Braves. Dam the facts.

DAP

February 24th, 2010
10:48 pm

pedro feliz signed with the astros, i believe. and he isnt a much better hitter than our current options, so i dont think nolie means him.

Steve from OH

February 24th, 2010
10:50 pm

Oh, and I forgot a big congrats, Gov!

nolie

February 24th, 2010
10:54 pm

pedro feliz signed with the astros, i believe. and he isnt a much better hitter than our current options, so i dont think nolie means him. DAP

I didn’t know he had signed, but he is definitely a better hitter than either Conrad or Thurston, way better against MLB pitching. I guess maybe it was Lopez that they were talking about earlier. I really ain’t sure. I was mostly kidding around about what sorry hitters those two of ours are and that was the first thing that popped into mind..

joerochester

February 24th, 2010
11:01 pm

Is “Matchstick Men” a good movie?

AustinBrave

February 24th, 2010
11:02 pm

Gov- Congrad to you daughter. My daughter was excepted at Texas A&M-Kingsville to play softball. Sure makes a parent proud. Now the next step PASSING

Soph

February 24th, 2010
11:05 pm

Gov – State’s a great school for journalism. Especially with Turner/CNN right up the street.

Heath

February 24th, 2010
11:05 pm

joerochester -

Yes.

nolie

February 24th, 2010
11:07 pm

I agree with Heath. good flick

nolie

February 24th, 2010
11:09 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQzI48mgCWE

Old Dogs Bright White Hair & Yeller teeth

Steve from OH

February 24th, 2010
11:17 pm

AustinBrave–wow, A&M? My little sis is going for a softball scholarship herself, but nothing as big as A&M. Congrats to her, she must be a top-flight player.

AustinBrave

February 24th, 2010
11:22 pm

Steve from OH- Its not the D1 A&M, its there branch D2 in Kingsville, TX. But she’s still a great ballplayer. I wish I could say she took after her dad. At least she loves the Braves like her dad. Good luck to your sis.

DAP

February 24th, 2010
11:24 pm

nolie, feliz didnt even OPS .700 last season. the guys we have might not be able to do much better than that (conrad might be able to) but we already have them, so that a point in thier column.

Steve from OH

February 24th, 2010
11:25 pm

Hey, D1, D2, it don’t matter–it’s still a great accomplishment. I know how hard my sister has worked so I know your daughter deserves it. Best of luck to her.

David O'Brien

February 24th, 2010
11:34 pm

joerochester, it’s a very good movie.

Daybed Wagmoe

February 24th, 2010
11:36 pm

i just bought the new johnny cash on itunes, and am finishing up the first listen of it.

my first thoughts on it: VERY mellow, in a good way. it’s mostly johnny singing, with accompanying guitar. the songs are slower-paced and remind me of the slower songs from the Unearthed box set, especially the “My Mother’s Hymn Book.” the first song, “Ain’t No Grave,” has a sound unlike the rest of the cd — sounds like “God’s Gonna Cut You Down” from American V.

haunting to hear johnny singing “new” material, what, seven years after he passed? overall, it’s a good album.

joerochester

February 24th, 2010
11:38 pm

I’ll have to add it to my list of movies to check out. Thanks, all. I was perusing Nick Cage movies and came across that one. That man is hit or miss with movies.

joerochester

February 24th, 2010
11:43 pm

Face/Off… what a flick. Travolta plays a great bad guy.

joerochester

February 24th, 2010
11:44 pm

I think I’m going to name my kid Caster Troy.

Heath

February 24th, 2010
11:44 pm

joerochester -

I usually like his movies, from as far back as Guarding Tess and of course ConAir…Didn’t care much for Weather Man or whatever it was called….but you’ll like Matchstick men. Good performances and good writing.

Venice Jim

February 24th, 2010
11:48 pm

Heath – choke city for the Tribe tonight :( we would have had a shot at 2nd place…

MZ

February 24th, 2010
11:51 pm

joerochester —-
yeah, Matchstick Men is worth a viewing or two … chick from “Drag Me To Hell” co-stars

MZ

February 24th, 2010
11:52 pm

“from as far back as Guarding Tess”?????????
Raising Arizona?? anyone??????

And Roodge Owns

February 24th, 2010
11:54 pm

Director commentary on Matchstick Men is good, too. Interesting to listen to a heavyweight (Ridley Scott) talk about his approach to a “yarn” kind of a story.

Steve from OH

February 24th, 2010
11:54 pm

This Finland-Czech game is really good…

David O'Brien

February 25th, 2010
12:00 am

MZ: I was thinking the same thing — “far back as Guarding Tess”?

Geez. A half-dozen memorable roles he had that were at a decade more before that one: Birdy, Fast Times at Ridgemont High, The Cotton Club, Valley Girl, Racing with the Moon, Rumble Fish.

Then there were these in the late ’80s: Moonstruck, Raising Arizona, Vampire’s Kiss. And of course, Wild at Heart in 1990.

All great roles, mostly terrific movies that were far better than Guarding Tess.

Especially back then, Cage was one of my favorite actors. He lost me with some of the blockbuster action movies, but I really liked him in Bad Lieutenant last year, and Lord of War a few years back.

And Roodge Owns

February 25th, 2010
12:02 am

Shout Out to Red Rock West.

Heath

February 25th, 2010
12:03 am

Steve -

I was just about to ask you about that game. Good news for USA if Finland holds on?

P'cola Brave

February 25th, 2010
12:03 am

DOB

Went through the blog and may have missed it but did Jurrgens get to long toss today or did the rain cut the day short? If he did get to did you get to talk to him or anyone on how it went?

Steve from OH

February 25th, 2010
12:04 am

Nah, I think they’re better than the Czechs, but it’s pretty close, so I don’t think there is too much of a difference. Kiprusoff is a great goalie, however, so he’ll give the USA fits, I’ll bet. Should be a great matchup though.

Heath

February 25th, 2010
12:05 am

MZ / DOB -

Just a reminder, I’m in my 20s…didn’t see any of those movies you mentioned. I’m sure many of them indeed are better than Guarding Tess…that was just the one that came to my young mind, and even it wasn’t my favorite by any stretch of the imagination. It was, though, watchable…probably one of the movies you many would label as “cute” or something.

Steve from OH

February 25th, 2010
12:05 am

I think the Finns were the #4 overall seed to open the tournament (USA being 6, Canada-Russia-Sweden being 1-2-3).

David O'Brien

February 25th, 2010
12:06 am

P’Cola: Yes on Jurrjens long-tossing today. Had no problems. He’s progressing as the Braves hoped.

Heath

February 25th, 2010
12:07 am

Steve -

After that performance from the Swiss goalie today, either one that they face next has to be bit easier. 40 some-odd saves or something wasn’t it?

Steve from OH

February 25th, 2010
12:08 am

I dunno, Kiprusoff is pretty tough. He’s been outstanding tonight…

Steve from OH

February 25th, 2010
12:08 am

And Finland is much, much better as an overall team than Switzerland too, so the shots won’t be so lopsided…

Heath

February 25th, 2010
12:09 am

looks like the Fins…

David O'Brien

February 25th, 2010
12:09 am

Heath, I didn’t say it was bad. Just said those others were mostly far better — in my opinion. Rent a few of them, see what you think. Try Moonstruck, Raising Arizona, Leaving Las Vegas.

Jim

February 25th, 2010
12:15 am

Austin Brave:

maybe she can teach you that the proper word is “accepted.” congrats to your daughter.

P'cola Brave

February 25th, 2010
12:17 am

Thanks DOB. Good to hear.

Mike S

February 25th, 2010
12:25 am

Anybody see Tracy Morgan on the Daily Show tonight? I don’t think I’ve ever seen Jon Stewart laugh so hard. He couldn’t keep it together. It was hilarious.

Heath

February 25th, 2010
12:26 am

DOB -

Will do. By the way….knew you weren’t jabbin’ at me or anything…just didn’t want to sound like a complete movie idiot. ;)

DirtyYuni

February 25th, 2010
12:29 am

I started listening to and watching some Townes Van Zandt tunes and interviews cuz of his mention here on the blog a day or two ago. Had always heard of him, but never knew of or listened to much of his music.

In a word, damn.

Loved the documentary they have in ten parts on youtube.

And these lines of his jump out:
“I figured there’s Heaven, Purgatory, Hell, and the Blues…and I’m just tryin’ to climb up from the Blues.”
“I’d like to write some songs that are so good nobody understands ‘em, not even me.”

I think he probably hit the last one, and can only hope he accomplished the first.
One cool dude.

P'cola Brave

February 25th, 2010
12:31 am

Just rewatched the ESPN phone prank again. Scott Van Pelt face is priceless. He’s trying so hard not to laugh. He didn’t really know where to go next. It was a good laugh. Wish I would have caught it live.

Nashville Chuck

February 25th, 2010
12:32 am

Thanks DOB for all the updates from spring training. It’s really been awesome to know whats going on without being there. Keep up the excelent work!

nolie

February 25th, 2010
12:33 am

All great roles, mostly terrific movies that were far better than Guarding Tess. DOB

I’ll put Guarding Tess with many of those, and I abhorred Vampire’s Kiss. Dreadful movie and extreme overacting. Ugh!!

toga party

February 25th, 2010
12:37 am

Ah yes, Leaving Las Vegas. Quite the feel-good movie.

Came for the Shue, stayed for the gut-wrenching despair.

nolie

February 25th, 2010
12:39 am

DAP that shows you how little faith I have in either Conrad or Thurston.

nolie

February 25th, 2010
12:40 am

well if the Shue fits, enjoy it

Mike S

February 25th, 2010
12:43 am

Came for the Shue, stayed for the gut-wrenching despair.

Haha. True that. And boy did both deliver…

Choppinmama

February 25th, 2010
12:43 am

Just Pat, another Carrabellean Braves fan here! I’ll bet you’re the Braves fan I’ve been hearing about. I’m really hoping and praying I’ll be able to pack mostly shorts for my spring training trip next week. It’s gonna be in the 30’s here again tomorrow night. Where is spring?

CharlieAlphaBravo

February 25th, 2010
12:45 am

That’s right, us “download mostly” music fans closed the Virgin megastore, but we also kicked the Backstreet Boys right in the nuts.

nolie

February 25th, 2010
12:45 am

Just Pat , you in Carrabelle?

CharlieAlphaBravo

February 25th, 2010
12:46 am

Richard Branson’s an a-hole anyway…

Andrew in PA

February 25th, 2010
1:06 am

Nolieee whats up dude how you doing?

Andrew in PA

February 25th, 2010
1:07 am

DOB, whats happening with the Braves tomorrow?

nolie

February 25th, 2010
1:11 am

Enter your comments herejust hangin’ Andrew.. fixin to go watch an old B&W western in a few. Whats the haps with you? It’s chilly and windy down here, whats Pa like?

Andrew in PA

February 25th, 2010
1:13 am

about to get 6 more inches of snow and 50 mlp winds

David O'Brien

February 25th, 2010
1:14 am

All great roles, mostly terrific movies that were far better than Guarding Tess. DOB

I’ll put Guarding Tess with many of those, and I abhorred Vampire’s Kiss. Dreadful movie and extreme overacting. Ugh!! — Nolie

That’s why I said “mostly” terrific movies there, Nolie.

But I wouldn’t be shocked if you rated Guarding Tess ahead of the likes of Moonstruck, Birdy, Fast Times at Ridgemont High and Raising Arizona. You’re older than me, if I’m not mistaken. And judging from what you’ve said about your taste in movies, and from the movies you’ve listed as your all-time favorites, I sense that you like more straightforward filmmaking. Lot of traditional stories, melodramas, not much that’s too edgy, irreverent or unconventional.

But Guarding Tess on a par with Moonstruck, Birdy, Raising Arizona, or Fast Times? C’mon. Really?

nolie

February 25th, 2010
1:15 am

Brrr! damm man y’all having another Ice Age up there this winter. I sure don’t miss it. I just have someone send me a picture on a card for my snow fix for the tear.

nolie

February 25th, 2010
1:28 am

But Guarding Tess on a par with Moonstruck, Birdy, Raising Arizona, or Fast Times? C’mon. Really? DOB

not with those four But I liked it better than Leaving Las Vegas. Not saying it was better just that Vegas was too damn depressing. Actually I’m not into drama much at all. I do like traditional films but I also like Coens, Tarrantino and ‘everybody dies stuff too. Depressing is not for me, I would never watch Precious for instance even though it is rated as a great flick , just not my thing.Don’t much care for feel good stuff either like The Blind Side.
I love older comedies but not modern ones so much. I don’t have anything against edgy, but stupid and slacker humor is not funny to me, it’s just stupid. Tootsie, As Good As It Gets and the old screwball comedies with a lot of word play are examples of my type of humor.

Moe Berg

February 25th, 2010
2:08 am

“Is there good Asian food in Atlanta?”-joerochester

Are you looking for South Asian, East Asian, Southeast Asian, or West Asian? To reduce a continent to a few types of cuisine. South Asian–fairly good. Some decent kebabs and okay biryani at Luqma. Some decent South Indian at Bollywood Grille or Madras Chettinaad. East Asian–some good Chinese food at Tasty China in Marietta (very spicy), Little Szechuan in Doraville, and several others along Buford Highway. For Southeast Asia, there are a number of good Malaysian places, including Penang on Buford Highway, Vietnamese—Cafe Saigon in Duluth & Decatur, or Pho 79 in Doraville. Other Asian places: Thai food–Thai Restaurant of Norcross on Norcross Tucker Road; Korean–Korea Garden on Buford Highway.

Moe Berg

February 25th, 2010
2:10 am

“about to get 6 more inches of snow and 50 mlp winds”

We have had snow 3 times in the last 5 days. It is still snowing tonight. Not sure how much we will end up with. I was out earlier this evening. My neighborhood was getting a lot of snow, but 20-30 minutes away was getting almost none. Very annoying.

Rick

February 25th, 2010
2:24 am

Seeing the name Moe Berg reminds me of what the other players used to say about him ” He could speak 9 languages but he could’nt hit in any of them .”

You know he was a language expert and did spy work for the US during WWII .

Moe Berg

February 25th, 2010
2:24 am

“But Guarding Tess on a par with Moonstruck, Birdy, Raising Arizona, or Fast Times? C’mon. Really?”

While Cage is not my favorite actor, he is great in Raising Arizona, Wild at Heart, Moonstruck, or Leaving Las Vegas. His action hero incarnations have not been so interesting.

NO MORE BOBBY

February 25th, 2010
2:25 am

I actually hope Heyward does not make the team this year so he has no Bobby Ball or Terry Time to screw him up for the new manager. Pinch me. Did I just say new manager? I have waited to say that since 1999.

Moe Berg

February 25th, 2010
2:26 am

“He could speak 9 languages but he could’nt hit in any of them .”

Probably would be true of me, as well. (Actually, I’ve only studied 7 languages.)

Moe Berg

February 25th, 2010
2:28 am

I look forward to seeing Heyward, but my hope–unless he has an absolutely fantastic spring training–is that he gets some at-bats in AAA.

Bay Area Steve

February 25th, 2010
4:02 am

Rehire Random.

bravesgrl4life

February 25th, 2010
5:40 am

Will miss the blog denziens and debates today. Gotta get caught up at work and at home, so I’m taking a break from my extracurricular stuff like the blog. Hope to be back soon. Have a good one, guys and girls.

38YearBravesFan

February 25th, 2010
5:56 am

nolie – the way he speaks of it implies he knew and left Schafer in. That’s the read I got.

GO BRAVES!!

David O'Brien

February 25th, 2010
7:01 am

Mornin’ all. Chilly here on the perimeter of Dark Star — 41 degrees with a 34 wind chill. Daaaamn. That ain’t cold if you’re in Atlanta (or Philly, or New York, etc.), but it’s sure chilly when you’re headed to the ballpark. Chilly dew on the ‘yard….

Haulin' the Tarp

February 25th, 2010
7:04 am

what’s the schedule like for today?

Andy Stowe

February 25th, 2010
7:24 am

DOB…will you please tell us where you get DARK STAR…everyone keeps asking and we would really like to know. Thanks

TommyP

February 25th, 2010
7:56 am

Andy: Think it has to do with DOB’s great dislike for Disney….just my assumption (and vague memory).

Question for everyone…..

What will it take for Braves’ attendance to significantly spike this year???????? (aside from a torrid start to the season….winning big cures all ills)

toga party

February 25th, 2010
7:58 am

nolie – the way he speaks of it implies he knew and left Schafer in. That’s the read I got.” – 38YearBravesFan

Not at all. Cox was implying that he was overlooking Schafer’s struggles at the plate, and left him in for his defense. He was not implying that he knew Schafer was hurt and left him in anyway.

O.J.

February 25th, 2010
8:02 am

What will it take for Braves’ attendance to significantly spike this year???????? TommyP

I think if Heyward has a great spring and makes the club right out of spring training, then we could see attendance spike from the start, and if Heyward mashes the ball like we all know he can, then I can see attendance spiking even more.

toga party

February 25th, 2010
8:04 am

…not to mention a healthy dose of deflecting any blame from the player, hence the “I was selfish” part.

O.J.

February 25th, 2010
8:05 am

I think Heyward is the key to this years team, I really do. Because if the kid can go out there, win a starting job and put up decent numbers for a rookie, that will spark this team big time.

JUST SAYIN'

February 25th, 2010
8:12 am

I lived in Taiwan for five years and traveled all over Asia in my business and I got exposed to some fine eating. I can confirm the following as being authentic Chinese cooking. Little Szechuan in Doraville, on Buford Highway.

The last time I ate there their sweet and sour soup was terrific. Or do they call it “hot and sour?” Oh well, doesn’t matter.

Incidentally, I’m also a Ga. State man.

sidslidkid

February 25th, 2010
8:17 am

TommyP, I don’t know if there is a way to get a significant spike in the attendance other than winning. Besides, Braves fans have the best excuses for not getting out to the games… “I can’t afford it” “I live 3,000 miles away.” “I’m on my deathbed”.

CraZyTRaDeMaN

February 25th, 2010
8:21 am

sidslidkid

Don’t forget “I85 sucks” “I75 sucks”, “I400 sucks”, “I285 sucks”.

TommyP

February 25th, 2010
8:44 am

I think the key to attendance is:

1) Heyward’s ascension. If the kid can come up and contribute immediately like we think, I think that will bring fans out at a greater clip.
2) Glaus’ having a big year. If he comes in, stays healthy, and hits 30+, we’ll get more in the stands.

After those, I don’t see a spike in attendance unless we play at a 95+ win pace.

TennesseePaul

February 25th, 2010
8:50 am

Were you not excited about the futures of Kyle Davies, Chuck James, Andy Marte, Macay McBride, Anthony Lerew and Blaine Boyer

Excited about? That was 2005 and the team made the post season. Yes I was excited. But I didn’t expect much from McBride or Boyer. I liked Boyer, largely due to he and a friend sharing the same surname. Anthony Lerew was interesting and I thought he would hang around longer, but never imagined stardom. Davies and James would were more of a disappointment to me.
I thought for sure a kid who produces a 2.94 ERA with 509 K in 499 innings and a nearly 3-1 K-BB ratio would be better than he was. Likewise with a kid who produced a 2.04 ERA with 417 K’s in 344.3 innings and a 4-1 K-BB ratio would have been better, and he wasn’t bad all the way up until he blew out his arm…July 25, 2006. He had made 39 straight starts, averaged 6 innings a start with a 3.73 ERA and nearly a 2-1 K-B ratio. Not too bad. Then he blew out the shoulder and stunk up the joint… 7.31 ERA doubled his HR rate, decreased his K-BB ratio, just a total injured meltdown. As to Andy Marte, he wasn’t around long enough for me to get too hyped about him and I never hated that trade. Loved it actually. And it only got better with time. Like a fine wine.

mattdrum

February 25th, 2010
8:51 am

I finally saw A Serious Man last night. Loved it. Best Coen Bros. movie since The Man Who Wasn’t There, in my opinion.

McDT

February 25th, 2010
8:55 am

choppinmama and JustPat:

Used to spend time in Carrabelle when ex and I indulged in salt water fishin’….is Julia Mae’s still there? If you just wanted good ole’ fried fish and those piled high pies her sister used to make, couldn’t find much better. The ex wanted to buy a little hotel there that was for sale…but I just couldn’t pull the trigger on that “dream”…

And I am older than you DOB, but have to agree that Raising Arizona and Fast Times were some of the best NC movies…. and thanks for ALL of your stories and insights — as stated here many times, you are the best!

N8

February 25th, 2010
8:57 am

“Mornin’ all. Chilly here on the perimeter of Dark Star — 41 degrees with a 34 wind chill. Daaaamn.” DOB

Yeah. I don’t really feeal sorry for you. LOL.

Wayne in Utah

February 25th, 2010
8:58 am

Making the assumption that Heyward IS all he is cracked up to be (not expecting a 330/400/500 season in the first year, for sure), I think that we almost have to see what Diaz with maybe a few starts for Cabrera will do over a 162 game schedule. Matty D has been so solid for all years but 2008.

He at least needs to be given 1 more shot at being the primary for LF.

When is McLouth’s option year? I think it might be 2011?

It sure would be sweet if Schafer kicks azz in AAA and gives us a chip (McLouth) to go out and get some more prospects!

sidslidkid

February 25th, 2010
9:00 am

mattdrum, I’ve heard noting but good things about it and I usually love the Coen boys movies… but the trailer makes it look a little weird and boring. I guess I should quit trying to avoid it and just watch the movie already.

Wayne in Utah

February 25th, 2010
9:01 am

N8

I spent some time in Ft Lauderdale in January of 1989. Temps dropped to the low 60’s and locals were major complaining.

Gotta drive over the Rockies today (Denver to SLC) so I am not feeling sorry for any “cold Floridians” right about now…..

Moe Berg

February 25th, 2010
9:08 am

Wayne, I like Diaz a lot. Think he works really hard, but his splits against right-handed pitching don’t make him seem very likely as an everyday player. Last year was a spectacular year for him, but look at these splits.

AVG OBP SLG OPS
vs. Left . 412 .464 .640 1.104
vs. Right .255 .349 .400 .749

DMBJAMS

February 25th, 2010
9:10 am

Raising Arizona is a movie everyone should see. Great acting. John Goodman was brilliant.

HE’S OUR BABY TOO!!!!

TennesseePaul

February 25th, 2010
9:11 am

Then there were these in the late ’80s: Moonstruck, Raising Arizona, Vampire’s Kiss. And of course, Wild at Heart in 1990.

All great roles, mostly terrific movies that were far better than Guarding Tess.

I didn’t see you list it so this is a bit out of the way maybe, but I gotta say, I hated Peggy Sue Got Married. Hated it. But that was the role that inspired the Coen’s to get him for Raising Arizona, in which he was brilliant.
Any way, not a big “Guarding Tess” fan either…

bravofan

February 25th, 2010
9:11 am

Join the group I made on facebook it’s called thank you bobby cox for all that you have done!!

UKUGA/brent a.

February 25th, 2010
9:12 am

The key to an attendance spike:

1) In-migration from the suburbs to the city
2) Unemployment falls below 8%
3) a MARTA rail spur from GA STATE or Underground Atlanta to TF

Steve McP

February 25th, 2010
9:13 am

Crazytrademan – you forgot I-20

GovClintonTyree

February 25th, 2010
9:15 am

38 Year – I wouldn’t read too much into it; that’s Bobby, protecting his players. In private, I’m pretty sure the message was quite different.

Bobby has a very particular way he deals with the media. Even when he’s exasperated with a player (see Andruw, circa 1998) he does not correct the player in the media. And that’s the way it is. Ozzie Guillen should have picked up that skill. The game’s hard enough without having the world know your boss is pissed at you.

Smitty

February 25th, 2010
9:16 am

hey everyone…I need 3 ppl for my fantasy league on ESPN

GovClintonTyree

February 25th, 2010
9:24 am

DOB – In light of your appreciation of all things Disney, have you read Hiassen’s epic hatchet job, “Team Rodent”?

Jersey Gil

February 25th, 2010
9:24 am

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/mets/starting_no_given_0a7koFlyS05MAxnqjhmbSN
This is an article from Kevin Kerman NY Post about Frenchy will hit 27 hrs this yr, also say that in this past Winter HOJO Visit him for a few day a give him some tip how to change his batting stand, Mccann also offer him some advise.

mattdrum

February 25th, 2010
9:24 am

sidslidkid, you should definitely check it out. I didn’t think it was boring at all. Weird?, maybe to some folks. It’s definitely not a movie that will appeal to everybody. To me, it’s a Coen Bros movie along the lines of Man who wasn’t there, Miller’s Crossing, or Barton Fink maybe. It has some very funny moments, very good acting and a great story. It also has one of those endings where it leaves you thinking, What happened? Doesn’t tie everything up in a little bow. I like that.

Mark in Madison

February 25th, 2010
9:28 am

Smitty ….

What type of league is your fantasy league (rotisserie, head-to-head, etc …)?

Smitty

February 25th, 2010
9:31 am

Head-to-head points…are you interested?

Frank Robinson (Rockmart)

February 25th, 2010
9:35 am

Smitty,
I am!

Smitty

February 25th, 2010
9:36 am

Alright post your email address and I’ll send you an invite when I get home from school the draft is tmrw I might have to change the time to later in the night

Wayne in Utah

February 25th, 2010
9:43 am

Moe Berg

While you are correct about Diaz splits for last year, for 2006/2007, he hit righties extremely well. Don’t know which Matty D is the real deal, but I would sure love to find out.

I guess even if he primarily hits against lefties, then he can still be a big cog in our predominantly left-handed outfield.

jztwothree

February 25th, 2010
9:45 am

Jersey Gil: Was just about to post that Francoeur story!

Twenty-seven home runs? Where’d he come up with that number? You have to hand it to Frenchy, though; dude comes to spring training each year with some serious optimism.

More likely outcome than 27 home runs: Francoeur sees exactly 500 pitches in his first 500 plate appearances.

dpelfrey

February 25th, 2010
9:45 am

Nice article post Jersey Gil…

Sounds like the same old Frenchy. I remember several times last year when he claimed he had made the necessary adjustments to start hitting more consistently.

Moe Berg

February 25th, 2010
9:49 am

Wayne, True. He did hit righties better back then (although his 2007 splits in OPS still revealed about a 200 point gap). I agree that he can be a real cog. And perhaps you are right, maybe he will return to an earlier form. But if his splits continue, I still see him platooning.

David O'Brien

February 25th, 2010
9:50 am

Cold but very sunny day here at Dark Star by ESPN Inc. Postseason weather (or college football weather). We’re ready to watch some batting practice….

Talked to Roger McDowell about Jurrjens. They’re cautiously optimistic, but not out of the woods with him and the shoulder. He had “minimal pain” throwing from 90 feet yesterday.

David O'Brien

February 25th, 2010
9:56 am

I’m not quite sure why, but there are about five times as many Japanese reporters and photographers here today. Photographers especially. It looks like the postseason around the dugout now, there are so many photogs and TV crews down there waiting for the Braves to come out. Weird.

Oh, and Baseball Tonight is here today, with their crew of, oh, dozens. they’ve got a LOT of people to make that show go.

thinbreakness

February 25th, 2010
9:59 am

CBS Sportsline has Hinske/Diaz platoon in LF with Schafer starting in RF. Heyward and Cabrera on the bench and only Infante as the backup middle infielder. I think this is pretty interesting but, they have McLouth leading off and Schafer batting 8th.

UKUGA/brent a.

February 25th, 2010
9:59 am

Francoeur must be planning to really capitalize on those three games @ Yankee Stadium in June.

UKUGA/brent a.

February 25th, 2010
10:00 am

Perhaps the Japanese reporters came to cover Mr. Toyoda on Capitol Hill, and then swung down to Florida for some spring training action.

thinbreakness

February 25th, 2010
10:01 am

Also, the bullpen is rounded out with Chavez and Dunn, no Proctor.

Jersey Gil

February 25th, 2010
10:02 am

DOB..Please tell Bobby Valentine (Baseball Tonight) that Ours RF Rockie Name Is Jason Heyward not Heywood.

David O'Brien

February 25th, 2010
10:06 am

CBS Sportsline has Hinske/Diaz platoon in LF with Schafer starting in RF. Heyward and Cabrera on the bench and only Infante as the backup middle infielder. I think this is pretty interesting — thinbreakness

I think it’s interesting only in that every single one of those things is incorrect (hard to do) and anyone would actually care to pay attention to one of those things. Entirely bogus.

N8

February 25th, 2010
10:06 am

Yeah Wayne, while it would (and does) suck to have to do baseball activities, including covering it, with temps in the 30-40 range, it was 0 degrees when I posted my response to DOB. It has now risen up to 2 degrees. LOL

So I’d take a wind-chill in the mid 30’s right now. Sad thing is, I took the garbage out after dropping kids off at school and had no coat on and thought to myself that it wasn’t that bad out. No wind today. Pretty much makes all the difference in the world around here.

raleighbravesfan

February 25th, 2010
10:07 am

Obviously CBS doesn’t know baseball, or anything else but football and college.
Bobby Valentine showed what he knows while at the Mets. (notice he hasn’t gotten another management job).

thinbreakness

February 25th, 2010
10:08 am

DOB-
Just thought it was interesting wasn’t investing myself in the validity or editorializing about what I read.

Jersey Gil

February 25th, 2010
10:12 am

ESPN been in Orlando all thid week..The Mike & Mike show this week celebrating there 10 year together, Bebaseball Tonight (It’s not tonight)because the Show Air today at 3:30 from the Braves Camp.

dmack2027

February 25th, 2010
10:18 am

The last place Heyward or Schafer will be is on any bench. If they are not starting for the Braves, they will be starting in the minor leagues.

If we assume Heyward is going to break camp with the Braves in RF, I am very curious what is going to happen in LF. I thought Diaz proved last year that he deserves a chance to play every day. This is a problem because the only player on the team out of options is Melky Cabrera.

It seems to me that the Braves would like to find at bats for Melky so, if he performs well, they can move him. Maybe a platoon in LF with Diaz hitting of LHP and Melky playing against RHP?

David O'Brien

February 25th, 2010
10:20 am

Just looking up some stats because Schultz is doing something on Lowe. I know it’s been mentioned, but it’s been a while: Do you all realize that the only qualifying pitcher in the majors last year with a higher opp batting average than Lowe (.301) was Livan Hernandez (.308)?

And the only NL pitcher with a higher opp OBP than Lowe (.355) was also Livan (.363).

N8

February 25th, 2010
10:20 am

Mock Bobby Valentine all you want (and believe me, I do too, because it’s fun and easy to do – especially with that voice). But it’s hard to deny that him putting on the glasses with the fake mustache isn’t one of the funniest moments that a manager has created in my lifetime.

Next to Lou Pinella trying to kick his hat (and missing) while Griffey Jr. and Buhner were laughing at him in the dugout, that has to be my favorite.

So he’s got that goin’ for him….. which is nice.

YE19

February 25th, 2010
10:23 am

Could we PLEASE shut Jurrjens down until ALL of the inflamation and tendonitis is gone? It makes A LOT more sense to have him a few weeks behind other starters and be a healthy 100% thereafter. They are instead rushing him back and increasing the probability that this thing will linger and bother him until he does permanent damage to the shoulder that would end his entire 2010 season and jeopardize his career. The kid is way too good to allow that happen. Sacrifice a couple of starts and wins now. The alternative would be far worse.

jeffrey d

February 25th, 2010
10:23 am

Was Valentine just doing that as a joke, or did he really think he would fool people and not get caught on camera?

David O'Brien

February 25th, 2010
10:23 am

thinbreakness: understood. Wasn’t bashing you, honestly. Just amazes me that anyone gives a rat’s behind about depth charts on cbssportsline or places like that. 99 percent of the denizens here could put out a far more accurate portrayal of the depth chart at any given time during the offseason or spring training than most of those sites produce. Seriously.

dpelfrey

February 25th, 2010
10:25 am

TennesseePaul…”As to Andy Marte, he wasn’t around long enough for me to get too hyped about him”

Were you conscious in 2004 and 2005? The dude was one of those “can’t miss” prospects for two whole years (BA had him #11 and #9 in consecutive years).

jeffrey d

February 25th, 2010
10:25 am

YE19 – The trainers are professionals, and they know what they’re doing and how to handle this (I assume)

Voice of Harold

February 25th, 2010
10:26 am

Re: Raising Arizona

Edwina’s insides were a rocky place where my seed could find no purchase.

RHR

February 25th, 2010
10:28 am

ahh thanks for the reminder on BBT, since it comes on in the afternoon, instead of … tonight….I’m glad direct tv has online dvr control or I would have missed it.

DAP

February 25th, 2010
10:28 am

a statement like this one from francouer: “I have an approach, I have an idea now.”

shows that one, he was probably brought up too early, and 2 he should have been left in the minors for awhile when he was sent down in 08.

Haulin' the Tarp

February 25th, 2010
10:29 am

Is Salcedo going to work out with the team down in Orlando? I believe I read he had the physical down there or will have it there?

dpelfrey

February 25th, 2010
10:30 am

YE19, tendinitis from pitching is a funny thing. More often than not, you just have to pitch through it until it goes away. Even if he shuts down completely today, the tendinitis will come back as soon as he starts throwing again regardless of how long he takes off.

sportsmandh

February 25th, 2010
10:30 am

DOB,

You are correct sir. An example to support your argument. I was looking at some depth charts on Yahoo baseball (which usually isn’t this bad) in preps for fantasy baseball planning.

On the Braves depth chart they currently have Jo Jo Reyes as the 5th starter and Kawakami listed in the bullpen. And, they don’t show O’Flaherty in the bullpen. They have Acosta and Dunn listed in the bullpen in one of the spots where O’Flaherty will proabably be. And last but not least, they have Prado listed as the backup 2nd baseman and Infante as the starter.

I found it all humorous.

Andy Stowe

February 25th, 2010
10:30 am

DOB…Why do you say DarkStar?

thinbreakness

February 25th, 2010
10:32 am

DOB-
Again, just read it and it made little sense to me, especially with Schafer batting 8th and Heyward on the bench, or Schafer even being in Atlanta on opening day. I will say that the notion of a Hinske/Diaz platoon was interesting, not every day of course, just the possibility.

raleighbravesfan

February 25th, 2010
10:32 am

N8 – That was a hoot with Bobby V. I was watching that game. My question is Who keeps a fake mustach laying around just in case you need one?

TennesseePaul

February 25th, 2010
10:34 am

Were you conscious in 2004 and 2005?

No. I came to right around the time Joey Devine gave up that 18th inning homer…. but that was just me rolling over in my grave.

David O'Brien

February 25th, 2010
10:34 am

Looks like we’re gonna have a little PFP (pitchers’ fielding practice) before BP today, folks.

And it starts with Wagner on the mound, hustlng to field a bunt and throw to first. They use him to start because the dude does it right….

David O'Brien

February 25th, 2010
10:36 am

Andy, I don’t say DarkStar. I say Dark Star, with a space.

thinbreakness

February 25th, 2010
10:37 am

I’m sorry to those bloggers offended by my CBS Sportsline post. If this is much less interesting than the lineups of fantasy baseball teams or the prodigious lineup changes to the 2010 Braves, I am truely sorry.

sportsmandh

February 25th, 2010
10:38 am

thinbreakness

No hating here if you were referring to me. I was just giving an example of DOB’s point. I don’t care what you post.

TommyP

February 25th, 2010
10:39 am

Rotoworld does a solid job with their depth charts.

Right now they have Heyward not as a starter but he does have to earn it, doesn’t he?

If you’re looking for a depth chart as of today, that’s not a bad place to check out.

toga party

February 25th, 2010
10:42 am

ahh thanks for the reminder on BBT, since it comes on in the afternoon, instead of … tonight….I’m glad direct tv has online dvr control or I would have missed it.” – RHR

And thank you for reminding me I could do that. On my phone even. I was already wondering if I could catch a repeat later tonight. :D

Andy Stowe

February 25th, 2010
10:42 am

DOB…why do you say Dark Star with a space?

MFin04

February 25th, 2010
10:44 am

That Rotoworld depth chart is pretty spot on. Nice find there. Interesting to see how this all shapes out. Schafer’s speed would be a nice addition to this team if he could ever get on track and healthy.

TennesseePaul

February 25th, 2010
10:54 am

dpelfrey: Regarding prospects, “can’t miss” or not. Salty was highly regarded. Francoeur was only a few notches below Marte. Todd Van Poppel was a top 7 prospect three straight years. Mix all those together and you have a nice sobering reminder that prospects aren’t all they are hyped to be.
I enjoy it when my team has a lot of hyped prospects. But I don’t buy into the hype as much as some. Even with Heyward, I’m more than willing to wait and see what he actually does. There is a lot of wind at his back and I truly hope he catches it and succeeds in the majors. I will be disappointed if he doesn’t. But Marte, even with his hype, never struck me as a Heyward type of guy.

TommyP

February 25th, 2010
10:55 am

DOB: Please answer Andy Stowe. Poor guy has been posting same question for days now. (Andy-have to admire how relentless you’ve been)

MFin04: Been using them for years and years now.

unbelievable

February 25th, 2010
11:00 am

DOB, anyone telling Prado to watch out while taking grounders during BP?

Brandon O

February 25th, 2010
11:02 am

DOB when do we plan on having players on the blog for some questions?
Wags would be cool.

Ben

February 25th, 2010
11:03 am

Rotoworld has Buddy Carlyle on their list.

dpelfrey

February 25th, 2010
11:05 am

TennesseePaul…

Wow that went in a big circle. That was actually the point of my original post that started this whole discussion. Go back and read it on page 2 at 3:41 pm. Funny how that happens.

Voice of Harold

February 25th, 2010
11:08 am

and for maybe my favorite scene in the movie (there were a lot of great ones)

[an old convict and H.I. lying on their prison bunks, passing the time]
Ear-Bending Cellmate: …and when there was no meat, we ate fowl and when there was no fowl, we ate crawdad and when there was no crawdad to be found, we ate sand.
H.I.: You ate what?
Ear-Bending Cellmate: We ate sand.
[pause]
H.I.: You ate SAND?
Ear-Bending Cellmate: That’s right!

DWW

February 25th, 2010
11:10 am

I too would like DOB to answer Andy Stowe’s question. I’ve been reading this blog for over a year and any time someone asked that question they get treated like they are not apart of an elite club that knows this inside secret. Never seen an answer from anyone. Maybe I missed it.

Jersey Gil

February 25th, 2010
11:10 am

Guys..Guys…you don’t going to have an answer from DOB about Dark Star…samo ,samo last year…This stadium every year have a different name…”Cracker Jack”,Champion,ESPN…Where ever..Is in Disney Property.

TennesseePaul

February 25th, 2010
11:11 am

dpelfrey: May the circle be unbroken.
I still wasn’t as sold on Marte as others, even with the hype. And that group of “baby braves” didn’t have a ton of guys I expected to be stars. Like I said minus McCann, four or five disappointments, the rest … eh.

dpelfrey

February 25th, 2010
11:13 am

TennesseePaul.. I have one other note regarding Todd Van Poppel, he was ALL hype. He didn’t have any minor league performance to back it up. He was walking guys like crazy from day one. At least Marte put up some pretty respectable stats for a 2-3 year period to justify some of his hype.

Jeremy

February 25th, 2010
11:14 am

Hey DOB I’ll be in the area tonight and I heard the Braves are doing a night session of BP tonight. Any truth to this rumor? Thnaks man, you are the best!

RHR

February 25th, 2010
11:15 am

There may be a homicide in my office today, if I get arrested I trust that you all will set me up with a flat screen and mlb extra innings package in my cell?

Jersey Gil

February 25th, 2010
11:16 am

ANDY:…here your Answer
“Dark Star” is a song released as a single by the Grateful Dead. It was written by lyricist Robert Hunter and composed by lead guitarist Jerry Garcia;[1] however, compositional credit is sometimes extended to include Phil Lesh, Bill Kreutzmann, Mickey Hart, the late Ron “Pigpen” McKernan, and Bob Weir.[2][3] “Dark Star” was an early Grateful Dead classic and became one of their most loved and anticipated numbers, often with the group using it as a vehicle for musical improvisation sessions that extended beyond the original structure of the song. The song is included in The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame’s 500 Songs that Shaped Rock and Roll list.

Andy Stowe

February 25th, 2010
11:16 am

TommyP…maybe you should not speak with not knowing the facts. I have asked that question just today. I asked this morning and he didn’t answer after answering several other questions…then I asked again and he said he says Dark Star not Darkstar so I asked again. Do not write stuff if it isn’t true TommyP.

RHR

February 25th, 2010
11:17 am

And the occasional bottle of wine. I need to think of a circumstance where I could get fed time so I could go to one of those “camps”. Maybe I’ll embezzle some money THEN cut her.

Jersey Gil

February 25th, 2010
11:21 am

Hey Lady..(RHR)..Don’t worry you have Direct TV now in all Prison..Thanks to The Bill of Right.

Fischerking04

February 25th, 2010
11:22 am

Is there any sort of Braves Live show that comes on at this point in the year? Maybe on FSS or Peachtree?

TommyP

February 25th, 2010
11:24 am

Andy Stowe: LOL Dude, I was trying to help you out. Maybe it wasn’t you that has asked for a few days now but someone else. Whomever it is, it’s been politely asked over and over without getting rude or impatient.

I was complimenting you. LOL

I will no longer speak, Andy Stowe. At least regarding/referring to you. :)

toga party

February 25th, 2010
11:25 am

I’ve always liked the imagery of:

Dark Star = black hole = Disney’s inescapable gravitational pull that will suck the life & light right out of you.

Never really thought about the Grateful Dead angle.

We need Peppridge Blog Remembers (sic) to dig up the original coining. I can’t seem to get back into the archives that far anymore.

MZ

February 25th, 2010
11:25 am

I really wish I hadn’t gone to bed last night before all of the “Guading Tess” talk took off … I just went back and tried to catch up on the conversation I missed, and would like to just throw in my two cents real quick, then it can be dropped … or not …
Heath —– I’m in my 20s too
DOB —– How did you feel about “Bringing Out The Dead”, “The Family Man”, “Honeymoon in Vegas”?
And re: “Guarding Tess” —– not a bad movie, but let’s be real here, it had one or two gut-buster moments, and they both involved Cage’s phone conversations with the “president”

tiger297

February 25th, 2010
11:29 am

RHR

Wish you had caught my post a couple weeks ago regarding tickets…they open up single game tix to season ticket holders a week or two b4 the general public so I coulda gotten them for you without the stubhub fees/markup.

DiamondbackMac

February 25th, 2010
11:42 am

DARK STAR LYRICS

Dark star crashes, pouring its light into ashes.
Reason tatters, the forces tear loose from the axis.
Searchlight casting for faults in the clouds of delusion.
Shall we go, you and I while we can
Through the transitive nightfall of diamonds?

Mirror shatters in formless reflections of matter.
Glass hand dissolving to ice petal flowers revolving.
Lady in velvet recedes in the nights of good-bye.
Shall we go, you and I while we can
Through the transitive nightfall of diamonds?

Garret to the A

February 25th, 2010
11:43 am

Wuz up people! Just chillin on the couch waiting on my agent’s call for a jobby job….the A-T-L might be needing me back to serve as a bench guy/platoon. As long as I get to do plenty of chillin on the bench my self and I are cool. Just won’t do much runnin these days with my bad knees. G to the A says to Keep It Real!

Jersey Gil

February 25th, 2010
11:47 am

RHR:…Did you work in an Office?…If you do..My recomendation is to get a pool of yours co-worker and buy 2 or three seat season ticket,then also you have the opportunity to add more single ticket if you wish.

bravofan

February 25th, 2010
11:47 am

Garret to the A: your being a loaf just like always

Don

February 25th, 2010
11:51 am

Why do you post what Bobby Cox says about any player when everyone knows that it is meaningless.
Also, his praising these very low BA, low OBA, high Strike Out young prospects just because they hit a few home runs is what is wrong with the Braves now – failing to teach, emphasize, demand making consistant solid contact, high BA and OBA.

Garret to the A

February 25th, 2010
11:51 am

“Loaf”? Who made that up man, who made that up? HaHaHa! That’s some good stuff right there! I heard somebody yell that out to me in Atlanta last year when I was in the OF. Kind of confused me then, but I think it refers to my manner on the field. Yo, I’m just a laid back Cali guy, that’s all.

Ryan Howard

February 25th, 2010
11:56 am

My breath is tart

RHR

February 25th, 2010
11:56 am

Sort of, Gil. I’m an industrial nurse so I have my own office area but I interact with others all day. My office is on the same floor as all the business offices and the plant is below. I only know of maybe a dozen braves fans here, that go to games, plus, we’re too far away for season tickets to be feasible since most of us who go to games only go on the weekends.

Couch Tater

February 25th, 2010
11:57 am

Rehire Random 4:02am

We need Peppridge blog remembers 11:25am

Random – You just run out of shogun shells? Ohisashiburi desu.

ncscoots

February 25th, 2010
11:57 am

yes, Don, that would be why the Braves were 4th in the league in BA, and 5th in OBP.

Geez, what a nimrod.

dpelfrey

February 25th, 2010
12:01 pm

Don…”Why do you post what Bobby Cox says about any player when everyone knows that it is meaningless.”

Why do you post the same thing over and over again when everyone knows that it is meaningless.

I know I shouldn’t bother, but I couldn’t resist.

sidslidkid

February 25th, 2010
12:03 pm

I wish Don’s posts were as fun as Paul L or Random’s. All of Don’s posts are the exact same. You know what they say about he definition of Insanity: posting the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

DAP

February 25th, 2010
12:08 pm

you know what causes my insanity? folks posting the definition of insanity over and over.

MZ

February 25th, 2010
12:08 pm

DOB ——
Petty just announced a North American tour … he and the Heartbreakers will have a number of opening acts, including Joe Cocker, Crosby Stills and Nash, and My Morning Jacket … I make an annual trip to Cleveland every year, cause my girlfriend’s family lives up there … the same week we were planning to go this year, Petty and Co. will be there … care to take a stab at the opening act? DBT … that’s just gross (gross, of course, being unbelievably awesome!)

sidslidkid

February 25th, 2010
12:09 pm

CraZyTRaDeMaN

February 25th, 2010
12:12 pm

There is also a DARK STAR ORCHESTRA that plays song sets used by the Grateful Dead.

BGfsu

February 25th, 2010
12:17 pm

Andy Stowe, I think DOB stops answering the question about Dark Star seriously anymore is because he’s answered it at least 10 times each Spring Training. It’s just his nickname for Orlando/Disney and his disdain for many aspects of the place. That’s it, though I’m sure people will continue to ask the same question over the next month or so.

Willy Wally

February 25th, 2010
12:38 pm

Hey Lady..(RHR)..Don’t worry you have Direct TV now in all Prison..Thanks to The Bill of Right. (jerseygil)

Bill of Rights or just simply crowd control?

ncscoots

February 25th, 2010
12:41 pm

Don isn’t insane. Just boring. In this forum, that’s a much worse condemnation, LOL.

ncscoots

February 25th, 2010
12:41 pm

Don’t worry you have Direct TV now in all Prison

Yeah, but do they get Extra Innings?!?

thinbreakness

February 25th, 2010
12:48 pm

Another prediction, not that anyone cares.
Cashman will be kicking himself for taking the flyball pitcher (Vazquez) instead of the groundball pitcher (Lowe). This ones for nolie, and it is half-hearted so don’t hate me.

sidslidkid

February 25th, 2010
12:49 pm

Extra Innings is pretty cool. I don’t know if it’s worth the money, but it’s a nice package.

tiger297

February 25th, 2010
12:54 pm

RHR

How many games a year do you get to make. I only make 15-20 a year but I am still able to make a full season ticket plan work by partnering with other people who want tickets (as Gil suggested) and other benefits being a season ticket holder allows you to do. If you want to email me let me know and I can explain to you how it works.

brian

February 25th, 2010
1:00 pm

anybody that puts Heyward on the Braves bench has fallen off their rocker and should be fired from any professional baseball reporting company. How often do top, young, prospects get called to the majors at the start of the season only to ride the bench? Any fan would know that the top young prospect such as Heyward will play everyday, in the majors or in the minors, but he will play so he can develop.

Snotboogie

February 25th, 2010
1:04 pm

New blog, people.With lyrics and all.
Move on now.

NEW CARS

February 25th, 2010
1:18 pm

As far as prospects go, I am a bit of a hugger, not to Shanksian level….But the thing I remembermost about Marte was that a couple of times he crushed a ball and it was caught on the warning track..He just didn’t seem to have the pop that some of the other guys had…The two biggest disappointments out of that group to me were KJ, who I hoped would get past the streakiness, and Kyle Davies…Anyone remember the gem he pitched in the cold up at Fenway…
I believe the biggest difference between Heyward and just about all off our hyped prospects (going back to Tony Tarasco, Mike Kelly, Jose Oliva, Andrew, Frenchie, Betemit and others) had a trouble controlling the strike zone and that was part of the reason they didn’t pan out…Chipper, McCann, Klesko, Furcal and to an extent KJ had a working knowledge of the strike zone….I’m not necessarily a Money Ball guy and I like a Scout’s Honor, but I do believe having some ability to discern a strike from a ball is an underrated skill that the Braves have not always valued as much as I would like…That’s the skill that I believe will allow Heyward to prosper earlier than some of these other guys…I think that’s why McCann will end up going down as one of the greatest offensive catchers in history, he puts the ball in place

P'cola Brave

February 25th, 2010
1:31 pm

For those who have posted here for awhile. Does Don come on here and say the same thing all year? The dude has been coming on here saying the same crap everyday for like 2 weeks.

JTCobb

February 25th, 2010
1:40 pm

BGfsu,

Your explanation at 12:17 reminds me of the calls Skip Caray used to detest getting from people who didn’t realize he’d heard the same things a thousand times. A composite of the most irritating comments and questions might go something like this: “Hey, Skip, how you doin’? … Thanks for taking my call. … I’m a first-time caller, long-time listener….I”ve been listening to you for XX years and wanted to say ‘Thanks’ for all the great work you guys do. … Can you explain the infield fly rule?”

Voice of Harold

February 25th, 2010
1:52 pm

JTCobb, I remember once a caller commented on Chip Carey, who was a Mariners play-by-play guy at the time I think. Maybe Cubs. Anyway, the guy was mostly complimentary of Chip, and the Carey family as a whole, but he slipped up and said that Chip’s sense of humor wasn’t nearly as good as Skip’s. He said it in a kind of “it doesn’t matter, but Chip’s not quite as funny as you” way, but Skip lost it, as you might imagine. Even the infield fly rule rhubarbs don’t compare.

Voice of Harold

February 25th, 2010
1:53 pm

P’Cola, for as long as I’ve been reading the blog I’ve never seen Don post anything but that crap.

cricket

February 25th, 2010
2:34 pm

Extra Innings is pretty cool. I don’t know if it’s worth the money, but it’s a nice package.

It is definitely worth the money for us out-of-towners. Much better watching on cable/dish compared to internet. You also have wider choice of games, which sometime could mean choice of commentators. Also normally they offer a discount of about 40$ if you sign up in 1st couple of weeks of the season.

JTCobb

February 25th, 2010
2:40 pm

Voice of Harold,

Yes, Skip was clearly more confortable broadcasting games than answering calls from fans.

Steve McP

February 25th, 2010
3:04 pm

There is a new blog up – headline is Diaz, Mr Amiable

nolie

February 25th, 2010
4:15 pm

the way he speaks of it implies he knew and left Schafer in. That’s the read I got. 38 Year

it has been discussed here a number of times. The reason Bobby said it was selfish is because Schafer did not tell anybody he was hurting badly. There is no way that they would have played him if they knew he was hurt badly.

nolie

February 25th, 2010
4:21 pm

I’ve heard noting but good things about it and I usually love the Coen boys movies… SID

I thought it was one of their lesser movies. anything by them is at least decent to good, but I haven’t cared ast much for the last two since No Country which I loved.

nolie

February 25th, 2010
4:41 pm

This ones for nolie, and it is half-hearted so don’t hate me. THICK

you’re probably right Thick. Lowe would likely have less trouble there than Javi will.fly ball pitchers pitching in small parks can be an incendiary combo

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