12:41 pm February 24, 2010, by David O'Brien
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February 24th, 20102:20 pm
What do those 0-3 guys make if they are in the minors? Is it a different amount than the MLB minimum ?
February 24th, 20102:21 pm
I’ve missed the “/Met’s suck” joke. Anyone mind filling the slow kid in?
Steve From Dalton
DOB- I am going to be in Orlando in March. The only free Day I have, the Braves are off. Will there be anything going on at camp that day? Will it just be minor leaguers or do some of the vets hang around and take BP, shag flies etc..
February 24th, 20102:24 pm
I’m glad to see Cody Johnson is getting some attention…he is a beast.
I saw him shatter a windshield in Lexington, KY a couple years ago while with Rome.
It was a foul ball down the line….but it was a long laser….as they say, “Anything flying that far should have a flight attendant on board.”
Let’s not forget…..Ryan Howard air-conditions the park about 190 times a year….but I think we’d all take him on our team.
I don’t remember EOF being that big to begin with
February 24th, 20102:25 pm
DAP—”the song is uniquely johnny cash.”
Interesting that you would use the words uniquely Johnny Cash on a song that he didn’t write. But that’s all I will drag that out. Back to spring training!
February 24th, 20102:26 pm
Fischerking, if you’re not impressed with Johnny Cash’s Hurt, I have to wonder if you’re human. To me, it was a wrap on an extraordinary life of an extraordinary American. Very little in this world has moved me like that song and that video.
No, it was not Boyer. It was Resop. I was at the game, dude. Check Resop’s Wikipedia article if you don’t believe me.
February 24th, 20102:28 pm
Hopefully it’ll be better for his back if you believe less weight is better for the knees and back. Or is that just with old and overweight guys like me?
Bay Area Steve
No joke Thrill.
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February 24th, 20102:30 pm
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February 24th, 20102:31 pm
Just to temper the Heyward fervor just a bit – before he hit those shots (how about The Rocket Launcher as a nickname), he hit about ten ground balls to 2B. He didn’t hit everything out of the park. Those two WERE impressive though, but he won’t hit 1.000 with 75 HR. Just thought you should know about it now.
Gil In Mechanicsville
There is a firstbaseman playing for the Phillies who has similar stats as Cody Johnson. I don’t think anyone would mind all that much having a guy that strikes out a lot when he has a high production ratio. You just have to realize that a guy who swings hard is susceptible to changing speeds. A some point you have to accept that a guy is either going to be a bopper or a dinker.
Now it’s great when you can have both but it’s pretty rare, especially now in the post steroid era…
February 24th, 20102:32 pm
I wouldn’t say the NIN version is more technical. It just has more dissonance, same skill level required to play either version, just slightly different tonality in certain areas. They are different interpretations and I think both are good.
Lew is correct, and the homers came off a coach. Like others hitters, Heyward hit almost nothing hard against actual pitchers.
February 24th, 20102:33 pm
You know though, Cody hit .262/.358/.548/.906 with 43 XBH including 26 HR all the way up through July of 2009 last season. His August and September were atrocious…. he also compiled 128 K’s in that time as well. Whiff machine for sure. Probably Thorman out if he doesn’t get it under control.
Good thing the workout’s over, because it would be ending now if it wasn’t. It’s gotten almost dark now and is starting to rain.
February 24th, 20102:34 pm
DOB — In the original blog, you refer to Jair as a 15-game winner. He’s yet to win 15 games in a season. Last year he was 14-10, year before 13-10. Hopefully this year he will be a 15-game winner (or more) though!
It was definitely Resop. Resop was an outfielder early on in the Marlins system.
but he won’t hit 1.000 with 75 HR. Just thought you should know about it now
Damnit. First we learn Diorys goes down and now this??
atlwolf, hey man thats some great info there on your 1:57pm post. remember, i said i watched the game and remembered it well.
you forgot to put the game in context.
two games before this happened, the braves played a 12 innings game with the pirates in which every single bullpen pitcher was used.
the next day, the braves got a short outing from jair jurrjens and used 6 bullpen arms.
then, in the game you are referring to, guess who started the game? our friend jeff bennett, who pitched 4 innings, leave the rest of the 10 innings game to the bullpen.
i say again, bobby did some shrewd managing to save the guys in the bullpen while still try to pitch to the situation. i loved it.
Lew.. Kudos to you and your interaction with Bobby yesterday. Has to be a great feeling to be appreciated. I still display my Wurlitzer proudly…
February 24th, 20102:35 pm
Speaking of tickets…got 2 for opening day. Waited to buy them from the official site but the “best available” was in section 221 and thats too far out for me so I got them off stubhub for $49 each in one of the sections I like. Now I just hope I can go to the game lol.
February 24th, 20102:36 pm
Exactly – Many more shots are hit off of Chino Cadahia or Glenn Hubbard’s fastball than Lowe’s sinker or Mike Dunn’s fastball. BTW – Dunn’s looked pretty good, too. He’s keeping the ball down.
February 24th, 20102:38 pm
If Heyward hit 1.000 wouldn’t he have hit like 500 HR??? I mean, I thought they were all going out of the park…
Actually, I will be more impressed with Heyward if ya’ll start reporting that he was spraying the ball to all parts of the field. Great to be able to hit the ball a long way but even better when you can deliver a well placed ball. You can always hit it where they ain’t but it improves your chances when they can’t gang up on you with an over shift.
Question: which side will the Braves dugout be on for spring training?
February 24th, 20102:39 pm
but he won’t hit 1.000 with 75 HR. Just thought you should know about it now. – Lew
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Frenchy was never a very good baseball player, which is why he was traded for another guy who’s never been a very good baseball player (Ryan Church). Not sure what people mean when they talk about how “good” he was, unless they’re referring to his first 60 days in the majors.
Frenchy was 3 WAR in 2005, 1 WAR in 2006, 3.7 WAR in 2007. He averaged a 3.25 WAR for every 700 plate appearances during those 3 seasons combined. That kind of WAR indicates someone is a good baseball player, worth about 10 runs above an average player over every 700 plate appearances.
He averaged 2.4 WAR over every 700 plate appearances during the 2006 and 2007 seasons combined. That’s average, which itself is acceptably good.
And if you look at WPA, which measures his actual performance in given situations during those particular seasons, and substitute that performance for the more theoretical batting runs, his WAR in those seasons become slightly even better.
And Ryan Church actually is a good baseball player when he is healthy. The problem is he is never healthy. He’s got a wRC+ of 110, and has been worth 3.4 WAR for every 700 plate appearances in his career. Again, that is an above average player, which means he’s good.
He never, at any level of play after high school, learned how to get on base, recognize strikes from balls, etc. Not sure why we have to keep going over this. If you can’t get on base, you’re not a very good baseball player (unless you’re a pitcher). Period.
Yet he still somehow performed at a level significantly above average in 2005 and 2007, at a level above average in 2005, 2006, and 2007 combined, and at a level that was just average in 2006 and 2007 combined.
You actually can get on base at a rate below average and be a good baseball player if you run the bases better than average, are above average defensively, hit for a batting average above average, and/or slug the ball at a rate above average.
Frenchy didn’t do all those things above average, but he did enough of them above average to raise the level of his production in 2005 & 2007 individually to a level significantly above average, in 2005, 2006, and 2007 combined to a level above average, and in 2006 and 2007 combined to a level that was just average.
February 24th, 20102:40 pm
I remember that game you mention. And as DAP pointed out, the circumstances of the game were such that we needed innings out of Ring and Resop. If i remember correct neither of them were exactly trusted arms and it seemed like we didnt have any more in the pen.Ring was known to be horrible to anyone but a lefty. It was Bobby making the best of what was available and not confidence in Resop that made him use that switcheroo.
Gil – Thanks. It’s not an experience I’m likely to forget soon. There were several photographers there with huge lenses on their cameras, so I’m sure there will be pictures. Wouldn’t surprise me to see it in Chop Talk, as Patty Rasmussen set it all up. Seems everyone there really likes her – they all came and hugged her- from the coaches to Brian Jordan and Ron Ganr. Quite a popular Lady and a good writer, too.
February 24th, 20102:41 pm
Hearing that Proctor may be ready earlier than previously reported is encouraging. Is he already throwing? If he can be ready at the beginning of the season we will have more pen options than the last couple of years combined.
It will be fun to see how Dunn and Chavez progress. But if Proctor is good to go then I have to guess that one of those guys (probably Dunn) would start at Gwinnett.
Are we seriously talking about Johnny Cash’s version of Hurt? Wasn’t that like eight years ago?
RHR – Usually it’s better to talk to someone in the braves ticket office to get tickets. The ticketmaster algorithm to pick the “best available” seats sucks.
February 24th, 20102:42 pm
Lew…did you see the Weather forecast lately?…
I believe the front gate to Disney is located in Kissimee town limits. If not, it’s damn close.
Dark Star is DOB’s name for Disney complex, of which he appearantly has a low reguard for, although my family and I consider it the “happiest place on earth”. (that even though my kids are grown up).
Lew, you make the perfect point. It is why batting stats at the end of spring training are much more meaningful than they are the beginning of ST. Hitters are facing better pitchers then.
February 24th, 20102:43 pm
The braves ticket office? I know what the sections that i like are numbered/called. Even using the best available in the section I wanted, they were still not what I wanted.
There are forecasting win over 60MPH and more than a foot snow between tonight & Friday for the NE.
February 24th, 20102:44 pm
Jersey Gil=Talked to my wife yesterday and should be a bit over two feet by the time I get in Friday night. Already booked a room in Burlington so she doesn’t have to drive in a blizzard that night to pick me up at 11.
If I remember right…none of the hitters can hit any of the pitchers this early in Spring Training right? That changes after a week or two when hitters start getting their timing back.
February 24th, 20102:45 pm
A cold front is expected to hit us down in SoFla tomorrow. Highs only in the upper 60’s. YIKES!
February 24th, 20102:46 pm
DOB, when is ESPN supposed to be at Dark Star?
February 24th, 20102:47 pm
Good thinking Lew…Good luck..have a safe trip & welcome home…Thanks for all you Input of the ST…good job.
February 24th, 20102:49 pm
Josh- Well, do hitters hit more in the stands at BP with a coach pitching? Same thing here and Lowe is in great shape, Dunn has looked good. Not so sure who else I might have seen with all of the other stuff going on.
It was funny watching Medlen take bunting practice, though.
Josh—Baseball Tonight at 3:30 tomorrow will be from Dark Star.
February 24th, 20102:51 pm
Fischerking04, thanks for the info!
February 24th, 20102:53 pm
DOB, How’s the Jay Hey Kid hitting ‘em today?
February 24th, 20102:55 pm
Very thoughtful on the hotel room. I might still be married if….nah, I’m a sh!thead.
February 24th, 20102:57 pm
Josh …This question was raised last year…DOB never give us a correct answers….IMO has to do with the “Grateful Dead” tours in 1998.Dark Star.
Jeff Blauser, read the blog and find out
February 24th, 20103:01 pm
I remember a buddy that went to spring training and would report back to us about who looked great, etc. He was in our fantasy league. He’d draft according to which players he saw that looked so good.
He finished last.
February 24th, 20103:02 pm
Lew: Good to hear on Lowe. I know many are down on him but don’t forget he is one of the hardest working players on the team and is a leader on the pitching staff if for nothing else because of how hard he works.
February 24th, 20103:04 pm
Cox after watching 6-5, 235-pound OF Cody Johnson hit Thursday: “He is a beast.”
Cox is so good he can see cody hit tomorrow!
February 24th, 20103:06 pm
I know we keep saying the Braves are cheap (other articles and posts), but they ranked 11 in payroll for 09, and approaching $100M for 2010 if my estimate is correct. Also, taking a look at some of the teams under the Braves (Rays, Rockies, Cardinals, ChiSox, Twins) are perennial playoff teams with the Rockies and Rays recently playing (but losing) in the WS. So I’m not sure we can continue to blame the lack of spending on the Braves, but wiser investments of the money we do have would be nice.
February 24th, 2010
The vast majority of us Braves fans forgot Francouer a long time ago. Most of us even forgot about him even before he was traded last year.
And what are you hoping changes about Prado’s production. Are you one of the denizens who hasn’t noticed the guy can hit? What else does the guy have to prove?
I was just clowning the early risers this a.m. There’s nothing about PRADO’s game his new physique should harm, and hopefully everything to be gained. But there will be change……IMO an improvement over the solid level it currently is.
February 24th, 20103:08 pm
^^^Josh. Tomorrow. Chris Singleton is heading up ESPN’s coverage of the Braves.
February 24th, 20103:09 pm
Scott: Agreed. Can’t blame ownership….if you can’t win on $90-$95 million, find a GM that can.
an article from the Marlins front office that could be revealing.
So lets hope the marlins dont make the playoffs and they fire Freddie Gonzalez so he can be the heir to #6.
You enjoy the FLA while you can. You and your bride be careful in the white-out conditions up there. Looking forward to seeing you this summer.
February 24th, 20103:10 pm
“Freaknik Come Back to Atlanta”….Wow…I remember in 1995 i was stock in front of GT Uni for 5 hrs on friday afternoon..that day i learned about what was Freaknik.
Scott: I couldn’t agree with you more on payroll, the Braves are not cheap. Its proven you can win with the payroll they have. Judging where there pitching staff was two years ago and where it is today I think the money was not spent badly. The Phillies I believe had a similar payroll until they took off and started filling the stadium each night. Even now their GM has said they have hit the ceiling revenue wise and will have to make tough decisions in the future as there are no more seats to fill etc.
February 24th, 20103:11 pm
tommyp if you can’t win on $90-$95 million, find a GM that can.
the problem with the braves is that they spent a couple of years trying to get through contracts that dont fit onto a $90-$95mil team.
February 24th, 20103:13 pm
There’s a lot of big boys in camp. Glaus, Hanson, Freeman, Johnson, Heyward, Lowe, Cofield. Chipper might have to retire the nickname “Hoss”.
I’m amazed at how many people think the Braves have built a 3rd or 4th place team. Now will they finish there? I don’t know thats yet to be determined, especially with the upgrades this division has made. I don’t however see them as a sub .500 team. I didn’t look it up but I believe the Braves won 88 last year and were a 3rd place team. It usually takes around 90 to get in. Your spot in the division doesn’t necessarily tell the whole story of the year.
The Braves struggled early but finished hot and many of the second half starters are returning. To me the offense is improved. You have a Diaz/Melky platoon taking over for Loaf and Glaus taking over for Laroche which may end up being a wash though Glaus will probably be more consistent through the year. Don’t forget that young players mature and Prado, Escobar, Melky, and McCann probably haven’t peeked. The starting rotation is still solid even w/ out Vazquez. The bullpen may end up being the best in the league. You have a proven closer in Wagner who has shown year in and year out thats hes one of the games best.
Is health a question? Sure. But it is for every team. I don’t think anybody would have said at the beginning of the year that the Mets starting lineup would all go down to injury. It happened to the Braves in ‘08 and got the Mets in ‘09. You never know when it will happen. So far the Phils have lucked out but every team will tell you that you have to remain healthy to win. So health is a big question for every team and only time will tell who stays healthy.
IMO, I think this is a 2nd place team that will contend for the playoffs. Their ability to beat the weaker teams will determine whether they get in. I’m sure if you look at our record from last year against all the divisions lower two teams its probably not very good.
maybe the Marlins will start real slow and Loria fires him for PR effect. He simply comes home and gets hired as a special assistant.
February 24th, 20103:14 pm
OJ, really just wanted to drop the nickname.
February 24th, 20103:17 pm
The best Johnny Cash cover in that box set is Rusty Cage its incredible
February 24th, 20103:18 pm
The Phils are at $113M for 2009, which is only about 20% higher then the Braves, which can be attributed to their increased revenue based on their recent success. The Yankees are ridiculous at $201M (which is bad for baseball in my opinion), with the Mets in a distant second at $135M, Red Sox third, so the Braves payroll isn’t that bad in comparison, so yeah, money is not the problem.
February 24th, 20103:19 pm
If you call them they can tell you everything that’s available in the sections you want, not just what the algorithm says. If anybody is buying season tickets this is the only way to go, much better seats are available if you call and you can specify aisle seats, look for seats in specific # of rows from the field etc. Rarely has ticketmaster’s “best available” given me a good recommendation.
February 24th, 20103:23 pm
…on the main ‘yard here at ESPN Wide World of Family Fun Sports Entertainment Youth Athletic Leagues Cost Parents A Fortune Exposition/Recreation Center.
Holy crap! Try sayin’ that five times fast…
February 24th, 20103:24 pm
Ya know that may have some pertinance to the name. I went to school at Stetson outside of Orlando a couple of years ago and I heard that name a lot. Turned out it was a Grateful Dead cover band from the area
Jeff Blauser, I get it, but its been said many times already
February 24th, 20103:27 pm
The Braves would like to have Schafer ready for the majors by midseason.
Music to my ears.
Oh, and someone mentioned earlier that they hoped Schafer’s career could get back on track. Well, I don’t think Schafer ever got off track, per say, it’s just that his track isn’t as straight and narrow as some other players like, say…Heyzilla.
February 24th, 20103:28 pm
Uh-oh. Heyward has a BP where he destroys only a Moped, and it’s “What’s wrong with Heyward?”, LOL.
February 24th, 20103:29 pm
As I said in the other thread, We got the stop gap at first that we need so that Freeman has time to develop. We have one of the best 1-2 punches in JJ and Hanson in all of baseball. Escober, Diaz, and Prado are all very good and can hit some HRs as well as average. We have a ton of OF depth that will allow us to make a trade if we feel the need during the season. I think we are in good shape.
February 24th, 20103:32 pm
but he won’t hit 1.000 with 75 HR Lew
You’re obviously underestimating him, Lew. Sheesh! Get your head in the game!
February 24th, 20103:33 pm
McLouth now on 680
Still scoreless….but the US/Swiss hockey game has a ton of action.
February 24th, 20103:37 pm
Heyward will break the career homer record this year.
February 24th, 20103:38 pm
BOBBY COX IS CHUCK NORRIS
Loria is considered a slug by many Marlin fans. He would have very likely fired Fredi last year except he didn’t want to pay him two years salary. Any manager who takes that job is taking it short time. He will be expected to make the playoffs with the lowest payroll in baseball and if he does not he will find himself on the street.
February 24th, 20103:39 pm
Our boy Boog Sciambi wrote a helluva good article on the use of advanced stats, etc., as a guest columnist at Baseball Prospectus:
February 24th, 20103:40 pm
So Francoeur, traded to the Mets last season, has some sense of what Heyward is going to go through, and sometime this spring he intends to take Heyward to dinner and give him some advice. –Buster Olney
Oh geez…I’m going to have to find a stick to fend off Frenchy!
February 24th, 20103:41 pm
Heath – where are you watching the game?
We have one of the best 1-2 punches in JJ and Hanson in all of baseball.
Well, I like those two guys, myself, but still…
Lincecum-Cain, Carpenter-Wainwright, Hallday-Hamels, Hernandez-Lee, Lester-Lackey, Sabathia-Burnett (or Vazquez, if you’re of a mind), even Webb-Haren…just quite a few duos that I’d probably take before Jurrjens and Hanson. This year, anyway, LOL. Next year might be a different story.
Right now if you could what do you think the braves record will be at the end of this season?
Also what year do you think the braves will have a legit shot at the WS again. 2011 2012 2013?
Those of you that have read my posts know that I’m not a pessimist by any stretch. But I looked at this a few hours ago and had to pinch myself as a reminder to not get too excited about the future. Here is a list of the Baby Braves of 2005. Remember, these guys were going to change the world…
Humbling. Not a single one, except McCann, has stuck. I think we can officially say now that the Baby Braves were a mirage.
But it’ll be different this time…I swear!!!!!
February 24th, 20103:42 pm
You mean in April, right?
February 24th, 20103:44 pm
DOB also say the braves continue to be middle of the road the next 5 years, and say JJ, Hanson, and Hayward become big big stars in the big league.. When as braves fans should we be concerned that they might bolt out of Atlanta if the team is still not succeeding? Are they locked for at least 6 yrs with us now? I dont know how baseball management tactics work I am just curious.
In the clubhouse yesterday, Andruw declared to a couple of coaches: “I am the best center fielder you guys have in camp.”
To which Joey Cora replied, “You should be. Only pitchers and catchers have reported.” –ESPN
I miss Andruw sometimes…well, I miss the good Andruw.
February 24th, 20103:45 pm
Just announced on 680 that the host of the post-game shows will be Chuck Dowdell, with occasional appearances from Glavine, Lemke and Sutton…
Mr. Rogers, regarding your 3:44 comment: Oh, boy.
February 24th, 20103:46 pm
does “saito” speak good english?? if so will they keep the translator for k.k.? btw, who pays fot that, the player or the team? either way k.k. should be much more comfortable with a teammate he can speak with in his native language. maybe he’ll get to 15-16 wins. english, spanish, dutch, japanese, slang, medicalese, and legalese must make for interesting noises coming from the braves clubhouse.
February 24th, 20103:47 pm
According to a href=”http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090210&content_id=3815766&vkey=news_phi&c_id=phi”]thist[/a] article the phillies payroll for 09 was at 131.5 m.
But I will say this, money isn’t necessarily the problem when we already are spending 95 million. However, Wren (and the Braves in general) is doing a good job of finding talent, developing it, and bringing it to the bigs. At least it appears to be headed that way.
With such great talent, unless we flip everybody for young prospects, money will certainly become a problem in the very near future. Hell, as long as Diaz is still producing, coupled with service time and inflation, we’ll be paying him like 8 million in a couple years just to ride the pine.
It will become a problem, unless we are perennially trading off our “eligible for a big payraise” stars for unproven talent with high ceilings.
On a positive, if you consider all the flops from that 2005 crop of youngsters, along with injury-riddled years from Chipper, Hampton, Smoltz, Hudson and the complete collapse from Andruw, it’s astonishing the Braves didn’t do worse from 2006-2009.
February 24th, 20103:48 pm
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