1:53 pm February 21, 2010, by David O'Brien
February 22nd, 20107:28 pm
I think you ruined his punchline.
Just saying…people talk like Francoeur is the worst offensive player since Belliard, when he’s had 1.5 bad seasons compared to 3 good seasons
February 22nd, 20107:30 pm
It’s like I said earlier about Frenchy’s prediction…..it’s the beginning of ST and we ALL have our hopes up. Or, as baseball fans, we SHOULD.
N Nine (eta42)
February 22nd, 20107:31 pm
42 days! Just saying..
Anyone setting up the yahoo fantasy baseball again?
February 22nd, 20107:32 pm
jeffrey d, I can’t speak for all bloggers, but for me my patience and respect for Francoeur went out the window when he pouted, cried and flat out bitched about them sending him down to the minors.
If you want to see how that should have been handled, check out the grace in which KJ handled it.
Jeff can still play. I just don’t want guys with that attitude playing for my favorite team. It was time to move on. I wish him well.
February 22nd, 20107:35 pm
I couldn’t agree more and also wish him well. EXCEPT against US.
February 22nd, 20107:36 pm
Damn right N8 ^_^
February 22nd, 20107:38 pm
Yup, pretty much what N8 said at 7:32 for me too.
February 22nd, 20107:41 pm
I really had no problem with Jeff’s comments when he was demoted. It sounded like he was just venting out some frustrations, but I think a lot of people blew it out of proportion.
But that’s just me.
February 22nd, 20107:45 pm
Time to head out to catch House and then 24. Y’all have fun but play nice.
Ease in Woodstock
February 22nd, 20107:48 pm
N Nine, I just sent you an email…same crew as last season…
jeffrey d, I think you are swimming against the tide on that one buddy.
February 22nd, 20107:50 pm
CB – Yeah, I know I’m not gonna win that fight. I just think people wanted to see Francoeur as a crybaby, when he was really just a very frustrated young man.
February 22nd, 20107:51 pm
What??! Where’s my email?? I was the winner!
February 22nd, 20107:52 pm
“Just saying…people talk like Francoeur is the worst offensive player since Belliard, when he’s had 1.5 bad seasons compared to 3 good seasons.”
Frenchy had 232 games (2008 until the trade) where he was the worst everyday RF in baseball. He’s never had three good seasons, he’s had two good half seasons. 2005 with the Braves and 2009 with the Mets
February 22nd, 20107:53 pm
when he’s had 1.5 bad seasons compared to 3 good seasons
His “good” seasons arent as good as advertised
You beat me to it unbelievable
February 22nd, 20107:56 pm
Jeffrey d, I’m not going to argue with you, because you are probably right. He was frustrated. But I bet KJ was frustrated too.
He just handled it differently. I like a guy to be team first. EVERYTHING that KJ said upon his demotion showed me he cared about Bobby and the team and was going to work hard to improve himself. Jeff said his relationship with the Braves was broken or damaged or whatever reason he gave. Bush if you ask me, no matter how frustrated he was.
If he wants to use frustration as an excuse for yapping, then I guess all the bloggers aren’t out of line griping about him (or other players)…
… we’re just frustrated.
jeffrey D – all I wanted to see from Francoeur was for him to acknowledge his struggles and accept his demotion. He shouldve known it was coming and to bad mouth the organization was just flat out wrong. He was never man enough to even apologize for his words or his actions. He felt like he was entitled to something when he hadnt earned anything yet. My employer would fire me on the spot
February 22nd, 20108:02 pm
I’m not gonna whip open the Francoeur debate, I’m just saying he’s not as awful as he’s made out to be.
February 22nd, 20108:04 pm
jeffery d, your league filled up too quick, or I was in…Email DAP if you want in…
February 22nd, 20108:07 pm
Reading Chipper’s recent comments, it reminds me… There are two types of leaders. I’ll use NBA coaches who have won several rings in the past decade as an example.
First, you have the Phil Jackson type. He wants his players a little cocky. He’ll show them on a white board at the start of the playoffs how many wins they need to win the whole thing. He’s taken public jabs at opponents and put down other teams. He likes to play head games.
Then you have Greg Popovich. He wants his players grounded at all times. If anyone dares THINK about a game beyond the next game on the schedule, he’ll smack them. He praises other teams, and undersells his own team. No head games. No nonsense.
Chipper is cut from the latter mold. He doesn’t hype much. Some people hear him say stuff like “This team has questions”, and they incorrectly take it as a lack of confidence in his own team. That’s not it. That’s just him. He’s always erring on the side of caution and humility. He’s the down to earth, keep the team humble kind of guy.
February 22nd, 20108:08 pm
So shoot me, I still like Francoeur. He was hyped as much or more than Heyward before he was called up, and gave the Braves a lift in 2005. He then struggled and failed (probably for the first time in his life), fans(?) jumped on him badly, he let it into his psyche, and he didn’t handle it too well. Who would?
February 22nd, 20108:09 pm
I think he is every bit as awful as he is made out to be. That last season and a half in Atlanta were among the least productive seasons in the Majors. Even in his productive years were not nearly as productive as they appeared due to his total inability to get on base. Any perceived under-rating going now is just payback for how over-rated he was before.
February 22nd, 20108:12 pm
Why in the heck are we re-hashing Francoeur? Let the Mets blogs debate him.
If you want a Francoeur fix, go back and read the blogs from last spring training. You can bone up on all the positive changes in his hitting approach, or how he deserves to win his arbitration case.
February 22nd, 20108:17 pm
Andrew in PA: hey srry for taking so ling to respond…I play on ESPN the league name is ATL BRAVOS if you give me your email I can send you an invite that is if you can’t find it the draft is Friday around 3 or so…if anyone else wants to join feel free it’s a public league so just join the league
February 22nd, 20108:19 pm
Even in his productive years were not nearly as productive as they appeared due to his total inability to get on base
In 2006, JF had 83 runs scored and 103 RBIs.
In 2007, JF had 84 runs scored and 105 RBIs.
Both of those would have been 2nd on the team in 2009. If you hate JF for sucking in his final days at Atlanta, fine. If you hate him for being upset about his demotion, that’s fine too. But at least acknowledge that he has talent and he’s shown it in Atlanta for 2 and a half years.
February 22nd, 20108:20 pm
Just saying (your 3:23 post).my sister was flight attendant for 35 years. Ran the DC to LA and back route for many years….lots of hollywood and politicians. Asked who was the nicest celebrity she ever had on a flight was…….. she didn’t hesitate for one second…………….Red Skeleton!
February 22nd, 20108:21 pm
Ballgame is way too close to Teddy Ballgame for it to be available. Getting a little ahead of ourselves on that one. I do like it, though.
February 22nd, 20108:26 pm
We got enough on here for a fantasy baseball league, or do you guys already have one established?
February 22nd, 20108:30 pm
Got home and Netflix movies waiting for me. So…either “The Invention of Lying” or “Law Abiding Citizen”
February 22nd, 20108:33 pm
Also…any cool app recommendations for my new iphone?
February 22nd, 20108:35 pm
cvan: they do it is already full just tried to do it
CVan…you can jump in mine its on ESPN league name is ATL BRAVOS its a public league so just join it you wont need a password
February 22nd, 20108:36 pm
bravofan: I tried getting in that one earlier to and got the same result so you can jump in mine on ESPN league name is ATL BRAVOS
February 22nd, 20108:37 pm
smitty can I?
sorry and AWESOME!!
February 22nd, 20108:39 pm
smitty i typed it in the search and couldnt find it
February 22nd, 20108:41 pm
I acknowledge that he had those numbers, but my guess is if you put a league average outfielder in the same spot he puts up better numbers. In case you failed to notice, Jeff F was on the 2009 team and he did not put up those numbers. On a side note, I think it is a great thing he turned down that contract offer we made him and that he stopped performing when he did. If he had kept putting up those tempting total numbers the Braves would have felt a lot of pressure to sign him to a big contract.
February 22nd, 20108:42 pm
Heath I would say The Invention of Lying if you like Ricky Geravis, Law Abiding Citizen was a bit of a let down for me.
February 22nd, 20108:43 pm
Whats your e-mail I’ll send you an invite
February 22nd, 20108:45 pm
February 22nd, 20108:48 pm
“people talk like Francoeur is the worst offensive player since Belliard”
It’s probably because of that pesky stat about him having the worst OBP of any corner OF in MLB history. People be fickle like that.
Alrighty check your e-mail it should be in there…if its not keep checking it took a few minutes for my brother to get his
February 22nd, 20108:50 pm
“So…either “The Invention of Lying” or “Law Abiding Citizen”
I was pleasantly surprised by the latter while the former was largely better in concept than execution. Caveat: Ricky Gervais’ appeal escapes me. Then again, I’m not much of a King Leonidas fan, either, but he impressed me in LAC.
February 22nd, 20108:53 pm
smity: what happens if i cant make the draft will it auto pick becuase I dont get out of school until 3:30
February 22nd, 20108:54 pm
Andrew in PA: not sure if you saw my reply but it seems as though your going to have to give me your e-mail address and I’ll send you an invite because the league is not coming up in the search
February 22nd, 20108:56 pm
I can move it to later in the evening if that suits better…what time would you like it to be? I’m available pretty much all night friday
February 22nd, 20108:58 pm
I’m usually home by 4 in the afternoon my parents are just not consistent I should be home then
February 22nd, 20109:01 pm
Alright I’m gonna make it 5 just to be safe…that cool?
February 22nd, 20109:05 pm
But at least acknowledge that he has talent and he’s shown it in Atlanta for 2 and a half years. jeffrey
well like they say rs and rbi are not good metrics to judge individual players by. so quoting them isn’t gonna impress those who think he was lame. His OBP & his OPS pretty much stunk for a corner outfielder and that has always been the bash on him. some believe one way some another, but there is unlikely to be a meeting of the minds cause the core tenets are so different.
February 22nd, 20109:08 pm
Hey nolie do you wanna join the fantasy league?
February 22nd, 20109:11 pm
Even the stat snobs have to admit that Runs and RBIs are at least somewhat accurate in determining a player’s value. I don’t see how you can call a 100+ RBI season bad just because his JORB+ is 72.
February 22nd, 20109:12 pm
I don’t think so Smitty, but thanks for asking. just never liked it all that much and now that I have the time I just don’t have the inclination. Good luck with your league though.
February 22nd, 20109:14 pm
no they don’t jeffrey, nor do they. they are very dependent on the lineup and where you hit in it. Stats guys in general do not believe that clutch hitting is a repeatable skill since the larger the sample grows the closer it usually drifts toward the career mean.
February 22nd, 20109:16 pm
the thinking is that a guy with a better OPS would have driven in more most times. It’s not like they play with one less man if Jeff ain’t in there. now I’m not arguing which is right, I’m just stating how the thought process goes.
February 22nd, 20109:18 pm
Alright, I’m dropping it. I stand by my belief, but this argument won’t go anywhere.
February 22nd, 20109:22 pm
Guv, I knew that was coming.
Here’s what Chipper has in mind:
McLouth .280/.370/.480 23/80/110Runs/30SB
Prado .310/.380/.480 22/90/110
CJones .310/.410/.540 25/110/110
Glaus .270/.360/.540 32/120/100
McCann .300/.380/.520 27/100/80/15 SB
Escobar .310/.380/.470 19/90/100
Heyward .290/.370/.480 23/80/80
Diaz .310/.370/.480 15/60/60
Cabrera .270/.350/.400 10/50/50
Hinske .270/.350/.450 10/50/50
Infante .300/.360/.440 8/40/40
Ross .260/.340/.500 8/40/40
MJones .260/.340/.500 10/40/40
See? They’re comin’ out smokin’. And no major injuries.
which is what I said to begin with. It’s two lines of belief that are not gonna ever agree on a guy like Jeffy
February 22nd, 20109:23 pm
and I wasn’t arguing
February 22nd, 20109:25 pm
where? where? I can’t find it. It’s all so complicated.
February 22nd, 20109:26 pm
Smitty, I would like to join…if you have room.
Eric from MO
February 22nd, 20109:30 pm
Jeffrey D how in the hell do you consider a season with an OBP under .300 a good season? That is pathetic, and your trying to make it out to be a good season because he had a bunch of rbis which only means the players in front him were doing good.
February 22nd, 20109:53 pm
Ease in Woodstock: hey I sent you an email if you’ve got anyone else that would like to join let me know and give me their email address and ill send them an invite
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