Waiting for Johnny, focused on Jason

Sitting in my home office on a chilly Friday, cell phone next to my computer and Weather Channel on TV, waiting to see which will arrive first – snow here in Atlanta or a Johnny Damon signing with Detroit (or Atlanta, or the ChiSox….)

Clean-cut or hirsute, Damon seems headed to Detroit

Clean-cut or hirsute, Damon seems headed to Detroit

Noticed today that the Royals are reportedly going to try Kyle Farnsworth in the starting rotation. My prediction: There will be blood. (As in, bench-clearing brawls. At the very least, crucial homers and on-mound meltdowns.)

But where were we? Oh, yes. Damon. Our topic du jour. More like, du month.

If Thursday reports of the Tigers offer (two years, $14 million) are even remotely accurate, I can’t imagine Damon turning that down, not if that’s a regular contract – in other words, if that’s guaranteed money.

As unequaled as Scott Boras (that’s his agent, whom you may have heard of) is at drumming up offers that defy all conventional wisdom at any particular time, I don’t see another team making an offer anywhere close to that.

And unless Boras advises Damon to take a one-year offer from the Braves, Tigers or another team so he can put Damon back on the market again next winter – a risky proposition given factors including his age (36) and the likelihood of his power numbers declining away from Yankee Stadium – then a two-year, $14 mill deal from Detroit seems as good (actually, better) than it can possibly get.

So we wait. Could be today. But as I’ve mentioned, once you’ve taken this thing this far, what’s another few days? After all, Damon can commute to spring training with either the Tigers (Lakeland) or Braves (Dark Star, aka Lake Buena Vista) from his home in Orlando.

So no need to scramble to find living arrangements or anything like that. Not that such matters would be a big deal for a ballplayer anyway, particularly one of his stature. Teams have people that take care of those kinds of things — housing and rental cars and such at spring training. But I’m just saying, Damon will be able to tuck his kids in at his Central Florida home every night if he wants to during spring training, if he ends up with the Tigers or Braves.

And I only keep mentioning the Braves as a possibility because, even as it seems most likely he’s headed for the Tigers in light of that reported offer, we’ll still leave open the possibility that the Braves could sweeten their offer a bit and Damon could decide to go for a one-year ride on the Bobby Cox retirement show – recommended Braves slogan: “Postseason or Bust; We’re Taking ‘6′ Out on Top” — and hit the open market again next winter.

We’ve gone through the reasons why Damon makes sense for the Braves, how he’d given them a proven leadoff option, clubhouse presence, winning pedigree, lessen the pressure to have 20-year-old Jason Heyward on the opening-day roster, etc.

But if the Braves really, truly have only $4-5 mill they are willing to spend –  in which case the payroll might be under $90 million — well, then Damon is probably going to sign with the Tigers. Either that or those reported offers from the Tigers are going to turn out to have been bogus.

jason-heyward

Jason Heyward reminds Chipper...

♣ Chipper on Heyward: As long as we’re on the subject of the future Face of the Franchise, here’s what the current Face said about Heyward when I asked Chipper Jones this week about the big kid (6-4, 245 pounds) who figures to be in right field before the Fourth of July, and perhaps three months sooner than that.

“I got to hit with him yesterday, and I was more than impressed,” Chipper said on Wednesday. “I’ve got a pretty good feeling he’s going to seize this opportunity and make the most of it.”

People keep asking me –  your Crusading Everyman, Pseudo-Hipster blogmeister — and everyone else who’s seen Heyward whom we’d compare him to, and I’ve said physically he reminds me of Derrek Lee. I think he hits the ball as hard as Cliff Floyd, who Jim Leyland once told me hit them as hard or harder than anyone Leyland had ever seen.

As for Chipper, he says Heyward reminds him of someone that many Braves fans are more familiar with. Fred McGriff.

“His swing’s obviously a little different, but he looks like a bigger, more muscular version of Fred,” Chipper said. “And that’s saying something. Fred’s 6-5, 230 or so. This kid, he’s built like a brick house. And to watch the way the ball jumps off his bat … it’s batting practice, I know, and everybody’s supposed to do that in batting practice. But….

... of the Crime Dog, Freddy McGriff

... of the Crime Dog, Freddy McGriff

“It’s going to be interesting to see how he hits the breaking stuff, how he makes adjustments pitch-to-pitch, at-bat to at-bat, can he make the adjustment. And that’s all something he’s done in the minor leagues. It’s a little bit different making the adjustment up here, but looking at his makeup, mindset and coachability, it looks like he’s ready and raring to go.”

Chipper’s winter injury scare: Chipper Jones said he’s up to about 230 pounds after a winter of lifting weights and (presumably) trying to eat sensibly. Says he wanted to get his strength back after losing some of it during his disappointing 2009 season, and says he’s done that.

“I’m actually on a little bit of a diet right now, trying to lose a couple of pounds,” he said. “But I feel good, healthy.”

That latter part is always the most important point when it comes to Jones. Healthy. And he waited until our conversation Wednesday to divulge an injury  that nearly sent up a red flare six weeks ago from his Texas ranch.

“I had a little scare over Christmas with my thumb, playing golf in Texas,” he said. “A club snapped in middle of my grip as I was swinging, and it bent my thumb back. I was on the shelf with little bit of a sore thumb for a while.”

But before he could get too worried, the thumb was back to normal. Braves Nation never even got a chance to work up its collective consternation.

I also asked Chipper what he’ll be watching for from the Braves at spring training, what he believes to be the key situations to keep an eye on.

“I want to see certain guys in our rotation step up, that’s everybody’s biggest question,” he said. “Is the front end of the rotation going to be solid, is it going to be good?

“Health is always an issue. You hope you’re healthy down at the end of the bullpen, that’s obviously huge. From a position-player standpoint we’re pretty well set. But we know we’ve got to stay healthy.

“And everyone’s looking to see how Heyward does.”

Glavine had no desire to turn his back on Braves.

Glavine had no desire to turn his back on Braves organization.

♣ Tom Glavine turns the page: Here’s a few quotes from Tom Glavine that you might have missed or that didn’t make it in my story Thursday, from the news conference to announce his new job as assistant to Braves president John Schuerholz. http://www.ajc.com/sports/atlanta-braves/glavine-joins-braves-front-298830.html

(And for those wondering, yes, Glavine and Greg Maddux should go into the Hall of Fame together in July 2014. Get your Cooperstown hotel reservations well in advance, because the village fills up quickly.)

– Glavine on what will be his fondest memories as a pitcher with the Braves, whether it’s the worst-to-first season, or the World Series title, or his two Cy Youngs, or his time with Maddux and John Smoltz…

“All that,” he said, smiling. “I’m fortunate in that I had a great career individually, and I had a great career as far as my teams were concerned and my teammates that I played with. We were able to accomplish a lot of great things. And I had the luxury of coming to the ballpark and watching great players, and being a part of a pitching staff that’s probably going to have three Hall of Famers off of it before it’s all said and done. That’s pretty special.

“And then on top of all that, you look at the friendships that we had, and the fun that we had off the field, and playing golf and doing all the goofy things that we did. You hear the expression ‘the time of your life’ – yeah, it was. It doesn’t get any better than that.

“So there’s a lot of things. It’s hard to narrow in on one thing that was so much better than the others. When you look at the whole body of work, not just from a personal standpoint. You look at 1987 and I lost 17 games, and we lost 100 games. We lost 100 games for three years, and then you look up and – boom – all those flags are hanging from the rafters. I mean, it’s pretty remarkable.”

– On whether the Braves releasing him in June turned out for the best:

“I can’t sit here in hindsight and say it wasn’t the best thing, because I don’t know what was going to happen. I mean, I don’t know. There were times where my arm felt terrible and times where it felt good. So I didn’t know from one day to the next what was going to happen….

“Was it the best thing? Maybe. Probably. In hindsight. But at that point in time I wasn’t ready to stop pitching. I had done all the work that I needed to do and wanted the opportunity to go back out there. But it didn’t work out, and the guy they brought up here and took my place did pretty well, so it’s hard to argue with all that.”

– On whether it was important to work things out with the Braves:

“Absolutely. Once all the emotions of what happened last year died down, then you have to figure out whether or not there’s an opportunity. I had heard some things about the potential to have some [job] opportunities here, and I floated my messages to people that I knew would get messages here, and eventually it led to a phone call and a conversation with John, and that conversation led us to where we are.

“Look, I’m smart enough to realize that if I want to stay in the game of baseball, it makes the most sense for me to do it here — obviously from a standpoint of me living here, but more importantly this is the franchise where I defined myself as a player. It would only make sense that I would want to continue to be a part of this organization in the future.

“… It was just a matter of a few big boys getting over some emotions from last year, and that really wasn’t that hard.”

– On working things out with GM Frank Wren and the Braves:

“Look, when something like that happens, obviously there are a lot of emotions that are involved. But that’s one of the difficult and interesting dynamics, is the relationship between the front-office side and the player. The player is always evaluating himself differently, and that’s always a delicate bridge to cross. I’ve had my conversations with John. We certainly have cleared the air. I’m happy and comfortable where we are, as far as all that is concerned. I’ve talked with Frank. So, all of that is behind us.

“And if I didn’t feel like it wasn’t, if I didn’t feel like I could work with John or work with Frank, then I wouldn’t be standing here. I feel like that’s all been adequately discussed and everybody is on the same page, in terms of what I’m going to do and the opportunity I’m going to have. So it should be fun.”

– On the possibility of taking a dugout job, coaching or possibly managing:

“More so as a pitching coach. Right now, no. Right now it just wouldn’t fit my lifestyle. I’ve got five kids at home, three of them 10 and under. I enjoy being home with them. That’s the part of my baseball life that I don’t want to duplicate – I want to be home more, I want to be around and see things and be involved more with what they’re doing. So right now, it doesn’t make sense for me to entertain the idea of being in uniform on a full-time basis, because it’s just too much of a time commitment. It’s more of a commitment than you had as a player.

“Somewhere down the road when the kids are a little older, maybe. I certainly would not sit here and tell you that I would never consider it, because I know if I did it, it would be something that I would enjoy. Because I enjoyed working with younger pitchers when I was in the last four or five years of my career. I enjoy teaching and doing all that stuff, so I know I would enjoy it. But the time commitment would be such that it wouldn’t make sense.

Glavine wanted to be part of Cox's farewell season

Glavine wanted to be part of Cox's farewell season

– On returning to organization for Bobby Cox’s planned final season as manager:

“That had a role in it, as well. I guess it’s always a balancing act when to get back in the game when you’re done playing. On the one hand I’ve had advice from people, ‘Stay away from the game at least a year and figure out what you want to do,’ and I’ve had other people tell me, ‘You know what, if you have an opportunity and it’s a good opportunity, then get back in.’ So I was toying with all that. And certainly the fact that this is Bobby’s last year – although I’ll believe it when I see it – that played a role in it. Bobby’s been so important and instrumental in my career, so for me to be able to be around in some capacity for his last go-round, it’s something that I wanted to try and be a part of it….

“Bobby was such an influence on so many of these guys’ careers, and I certainly fall into that category. He taught me more than anyone about the game itself and about respecting the game and how you play the game and how you carry yourself. Those aren’t things that are just limited to just baseball. I mean, those are things that, when you walk out that door, how you carry yourself as an individual and representing your family and doing all those things. They were life lessons as much as they were baseball lessons, you just didn’t realize it at the time.

“It’s an understatement for me to say he was a huge impact on my career and on my life.

tomwaits500

“SHORE LEAVE” by Tom Waits

Well with buck shot eyes and a purple heart

I rolled down the national stroll

and with a big fat paycheck

strapped to my hip sack

and a shore leave wristwatch underneath

my sleeve

in a Hong Kong drizzle on Cuban heels

I rowed down the gutter to the Blood Bank

and I’d left all my papers on the Ticonderoga

and was in a bad need of a shave

and so I slopped at the corner on cold chow mein

and shot billiards with a midget

until the rain stopped

and I bought a long sleeved shirt

with horses on the front

and some gum and a lighter and a knife

and a new deck of cards (with girls on the back)

and I sat down and wrote a letter to my wife

and I said, Baby, I’m so far away from home

and I miss my baby so

I can’t make it by myself

I love you so

Well I was pacing myself

trying to make it all last

squeezing all the life

out of a lousy two day pass

and I had a cold one at the Dragon

with some Filipino floor show

and talked baseball with a lieutenant

over a Singapore sling

and I wondered how the same moon outside

over this Chinatown fair

could look down on Illinois

and find you there

and you know I love you Baby

and I’m so far away from home

and I miss my baby so

I can’t make it by myself

I love you so

Shore Leave….

Shore Leave….

3,133 comments Add your comment

sidslidkid

February 12th, 2010
2:09 pm

Thanks for the new blogage DOB!

Nova Scotia Steve

February 12th, 2010
2:11 pm

WHISTLER, B.C. – Georgian luger Nodar Kumaritashvili has been injured in an Olympic training run.

He was coming around the final 270-degree turn, where speeds approach 140 km/h, when he flipped off his sled and was hurled into a metal pole.

Medics administered CPR to the 21-year-old from Borjomi, Georgia.

The $105-million sliding centre, on the southeast face of Blackcomb Mountain, has been billed as a wild ride and the accident happened at its fastest point.

The 1,450-metre course has 16 turns and drops steeply for 152 metres, the longest drop of any track in the world.

The average grade is about 11 per cent, including two stomach-inverting drops of 20 per cent.

itcouldbeworse

February 12th, 2010
2:11 pm

Nova Scotia Steve

February 12th, 2010
2:12 pm

Anyway…now to read the blog!

FEAR

February 12th, 2010
2:15 pm

We don’t need Damon. The End

I'm Confused

February 12th, 2010
2:15 pm

I’m Confused

February 12th, 2010
2:05 pm
So why does Detroit trade Granderson and then try to sign Damon? If they pay Damon 7 mil, that’s 2 more than what Granderson was going to make and Damon is older!

So either Boros is blowing smoke about the 2 year 14 mil or the Tigers just went into bipolar mode after dumping Granderson for……. Damon???

Josh

February 12th, 2010
2:16 pm

MZ

February 12th, 2010
2:17 pm

Gotta carry over conversation from previous blog … stranded on an island, and you can only bring 5 albums, which would they be?
Mine were — “Wildflowers” Tom Petty; “Era Vulgaris” Queens of the Stone Age; “White Album” The Beatles; “Let It Bleed” Rolling Stones; “Southern Rock Opera” Drive-By Truckers

joerochester

February 12th, 2010
2:19 pm

MZ

I would probably bring all double albums. That way you get double the music to listen to.

Braves_Fan_RSD

February 12th, 2010
2:19 pm

So why does Detroit trade Granderson and then try to sign Damon? If they pay Damon 7 mil, that’s 2 more than what Granderson was going to make and Damon is older!

So either Boros is blowing smoke about the 2 year 14 mil or the Tigers just went into bipolar mode after dumping Granderson for……. Damon??? – Im Confused

Gotta look at it as more than just a Damon for Granderson swap

Tigers get:
Austin Jackson
Daniel Schlereth
Phil Coke
Max Scherzer
Johnny Damon

and Lose
Edwin Jackson
Curtis Granderson
1 Million Dollar

Looks like they did quite well to me

BravesFanLostInOhio

February 12th, 2010
2:20 pm

230? Really? What “kind” of 230 lbs is he? Country strong…or…

FEAR

February 12th, 2010
2:22 pm

I’m Confused – damn good point

ATLFan

February 12th, 2010
2:24 pm

Hope we get ‘08 Chipper instead of ‘09 Chipper in ‘10 …

joerochester

February 12th, 2010
2:24 pm

Coke and Scherzer are going to start for the Tigers, right?

Matt_t

February 12th, 2010
2:24 pm

DOB-
I challenge you to a hipster blogmeister off.
-matt

18 Wheels of Love

February 12th, 2010
2:26 pm

I’m Confused…what did Detroit get back for Granderson? Maybe that was why they made the trade and then Damon’s numbers continued to drop far enough to where they would consider it. Or maybe they have an owner that when pressed steps up on individual case basis’ and helps out the team. But I completely see your point, just playing the other side of the fence.

TG from CA

February 12th, 2010
2:26 pm

I would take these 4 outfielders on Opening Day: Nate, Milkey, Diaz and Jordan S. Hold Heyward for 2 months at AAA. Give the 4 outfielders all playing time. If Jordan struggles during this time, flip him with Heyward and let him spend the next 4 months at AAA. Even if he struggles at the plate for April and May, the dude can play good defense and can pitch run until Heyward gets here. If Jordan plays well, he can take over Center, Heyward in right and Nate in left

sidslidkid

February 12th, 2010
2:26 pm

Willie Nelson – “Red Headed Stranger”
Weezer – “The Blue Album”
Sam Cooke – “Sam Cooke”
Robert Johnson – “King of the Delta Blues”
The Clash – “London Calling”

Jeff R

February 12th, 2010
2:27 pm

What exactly will Tom Glavine do as a special assistant to JS?

Hillbilly

February 12th, 2010
2:28 pm

DOB brought back the Jack Nicholson “The Shining” pic of Johnny Damon for another blog. Creepy.

Mark in Madison

February 12th, 2010
2:28 pm

Man, does Chipper have the worst luck with freak injuries or what?

TnBrian

February 12th, 2010
2:29 pm

You’re right FEAR … we don’t need a legit leadoff hitter. Why, McLouth excelled so much in that dept. last year that I’d be so disappointed if we ended up with Damon.

Josh Townsend

February 12th, 2010
2:29 pm

Great blog. Loved reading all those quotes, and brought back lots of memories. Welcome back 47.

Sgt. Pepper

February 12th, 2010
2:29 pm

My 5 desert island albums:

1. “Let It Be” by the Beatles
2. “Parachutes” by Coldplay
3. “Mutemath” by Mutemath
4. “A Collision (or 3+4=7)” by David Crowder*Band
5. Something by Stevie Wonder. Either “Songs in the Key of Life” or “Innervisions” probably. Possibly “Music of My Mind.”

Tale of Woe

February 12th, 2010
2:30 pm

An OF of Schafer, Heyward, Diaz, and McLough is good enough to win.

tdmorgan

February 12th, 2010
2:31 pm

I would like to see Damon in LF, but the downer about that is what happens to Diaz when Heyward is ready, whether it’s at the beginning of the season or 2 months down the road? He played extremely well last year. If Damon does come here and more than likely will not duplicate his numbers from last year, how disappointed will we be? Damon was on an amazing offensive team last year and had a short porch in right field. His defense is ok for LF but his arm is poor. I wouldn’t mind having him but what’s the point?

McCann Fan - Top 5 Desert Island Albums

February 12th, 2010
2:31 pm

Thanks for the carry-over MZ. I want to see more lists, especially DOB’s. Realistic lists people, not trying to impress anyone with your obscure music knowledge.

My original 5 were:

Led Zeppelin – Houses of the Holy
Dave Matthews – Under the Table and Dreaming
Stone Temple Pilots – Purple
Outkast – either ATLiens or Aquemini
Bob Marley – Babylon By Bus

Honorable mentions were:

The Smiths – Meat Is Murder
Allman Brothers – Eat a Peach
The Clash – London Calling and then I added

Beastie Boys – Check Your Head
Fleetwood Mac – Rumours
Beatles – White Album
Black Crowes – Amorica
Jane’s Addiction – Ritual de lo Habitual
Kings of Leon – Aha Shake Heartbreak
R.E.M. – Reckoning

I guess it turned into a top 15 desert island albums.

Tee

February 12th, 2010
2:31 pm

Trade Chipper Now and get something in value!!!!!

TommyP

February 12th, 2010
2:32 pm

Ready for Damon to decide one way or the other. Getting old.

Heyward seems to be penciled into RF. He’d have to struggle in March to not break camp, in my opinion. (of course, if Damon is signed, that COULD definitely change things)

Heyward is easily the one I’m most excited about seeing this spring. I’m also looking to see what Glaus looks like and Schafer as well. I’m expecting a Cy Young season from Jurrjens this year. Am I too high on him? I don’t think so.

dwaynerice

February 12th, 2010
2:32 pm

DOB
Do you know, legally, how much longer Liberty has to hold on to the Braves? Seems to me it was an agreement for X number of years; in other words, do you see them putting the Braves up for sale anywhere near the time they legally can do so?

sidslidkid

February 12th, 2010
2:32 pm

Has anyone said “Pet Sounds” by The Beach Boys? Rolling Stone loves that album and brings it up all the time. It’s a great album. Nowhere near the top of my list, but I can see (or should I say hear) what people like about album. By far their best work.

N8

February 12th, 2010
2:33 pm

If I were to be stranded on an island, I’d just bring my 32 gig iPod, that has over 7500 tunes on it. Plus it takes up less space than the albums.

Besides, wherever I’d be that would somehow get me on an island, I’d more than likely would have had my iPod with me. Usually don’t carry a bunch of albums with me (or CD’s for that matter).

And if somebody was going to make an effort to bring me my top 5 albums on that island. I’d probably just ask if I could leave with them when the headed back to the mainland. :-)

Though it would be nice to have a generator, a laptop and that USB cable so I could charge the iPod up. Because the only thing that would be more frustrating than being on an island with no music, would be to be on an island with ALL of your music, and not way to power it up.

:-)

JEB

February 12th, 2010
2:33 pm

WOW! DOB,
Your fingers must be cramped after all of that info!
Good stuff! Thanks for your input of time!

F-105 Thunderchief

February 12th, 2010
2:33 pm

Johnny’s gone. Mark it down. Jason’s still months away. Mark it down.

N8

February 12th, 2010
2:33 pm

Wow. Didn’t mean to put 2 smiley faces in one post. I’ll go to my room now, to begin my 1 hour, self imposed banishment from the blog for breaking said rule.

Sorry.

96,sc

February 12th, 2010
2:34 pm

B MAC !! got his autograph at a caravan stop yesterday in greenville,sc!

Billy Walsh

February 12th, 2010
2:35 pm

Boras will try and squeeze every dime out of the tigers. For the same amount of money and years Damon could have been back with the defending champs. Can’t wait to see how Boras spins it if Damon signs with the tigers for 2 years at 7 million per. As far as Granderson, the players that Detroit got back where nothing extraordinary. Austin Jackson is probably a Melky Cabrera type player, and Phil Coke was nothing special in the Yankee bullpen last year. Max Scherzer, who the tigers got from the D-Backs, might be their best move of the off season. He has tremendous stuff but can locate it.

JUST SAYIN'

February 12th, 2010
2:38 pm

Fish Bisch

February 12th, 2010
1:33 pm
It’s snowing here in Fort Lauderdale.

—————

100 miles NORTH of Ft. Lauderdale it is 72 Degrees at 2:30. hahahaha

I did hear on FOX that by tonight there would be “measurable” snow on the ground in 49 states at the same time, the first time that had ever happened.

hoho

February 12th, 2010
2:38 pm

Interesting that Heyward reminds folks of only black players (Lee, Floyd, and McGriff). Interesting because the majority of MLB players are not black. But Heyward, uncannily, reminds folks of THREE of those players-wow! Frankly, I’m surprised the term “articulate” or “athletic” didn’t get thrown in there. So he really doesn’t remind DOB or Hoss of any other player in the 90 something percentile (Latin or Anglo) only a couple from the 5-10 percent (black American or Asian-and one of those players is retired-wow)?

Andrew in PA

February 12th, 2010
2:39 pm

ESPN has not said yet that the Tigers offered Damon that 2 year 14 million dollar contract, it was just on sportcenter again that they offered 1 year and 7 million, so if Heyman is right saying the Braves may have 6 million then it could come down to just where Damon wants to play.

tdmorgan

February 12th, 2010
2:40 pm

TG from CA and Tale of Woe, Schafer needs a few months probably to get some confidence in his swing. After he was sent down last year he didn’t play much before having surgery and didn’t get a chance to play winter ball either. His confidence probably also got hurt when he had a quick downward spiral after his injury. I’m glad people aren’t bashing him anymore, but let him get comfortable at the plate again that way we don’t have to send him down again. That would probably be more of a blow to his confidence than having to start out at AAA for a month or two at the beginning of the season. We have 4 guys to play OF for the beginning of the season: Melky, Diaz, McLouth, and Hinske. That’s not really a group of OF to strike fear into anyone, but we all know that Heyward has a very good chance to start the season in ATL, so that probably drops Melky or Conrad. If it drops Melky then maybe we could flip him for another bullpen arm or a prospect.

LT200

February 12th, 2010
2:41 pm

I am in Kissimmee, Fl and that is about 2 hours north of Ft. Lauderdale and it certainly aint 72 degrees. More like 52.

TennesseePaul

February 12th, 2010
2:41 pm

Nice one David. Thanks for the blog

bruce

February 12th, 2010
2:43 pm

Glavine re Bobby: “It’s an understatement for me to say he was a huge impact on my career and on my life.

That would a mighty fine line to put on the top of a letter of appreciation “plaque” that Bobby’s players past & present could sign their name to and give to him when he retires or at the end of this season, whichever comes first.

John OTC

February 12th, 2010
2:43 pm

We don’t need Johnny Damon. It’s a total Furcal.

O.J.

February 12th, 2010
2:45 pm

I also asked Chipper what he’ll be watching for from the Braves at spring training, what he believes to be the key situations to keep an eye on.

I want to see certain guys in our rotation step up, that’s everybody’s biggest question,” he said. “Is the front end of the rotation going to be solid, is it going to be good? DOB

DOB, do you think he was referring to Lowe?

Shanks A Lot

February 12th, 2010
2:45 pm

Hoho -

stop trying to stir $hit up

McCann Fan - Top 5 Desert Island Albums

February 12th, 2010
2:46 pm

N8 – That’s cheating. The point is that it’s really hard to come up with just 5 so you get a chance to see what 5 you MUST HAVE.

groundfog

February 12th, 2010
2:47 pm

Damon makes the Braves better. Fact. Period. Also, I think Damon would provide some star power to the Braves and help attendance. I don’t know how much it would help, but a buddy of mine who is a huge Yankees fan said he would definitely take his kids to alot more games with Damon in the lineup. I think it would be worth matching the Tigers for 1 year at 7+ million but i doubt he would take that anyway.

Nova Scotia Steve

February 12th, 2010
2:47 pm

Hoho – nice screen name

lol

O.J.

February 12th, 2010
2:47 pm

I want to see certain guys in our rotation step up, that’s everybody’s biggest question,” he said. “Is the front end of the rotation going to be solid, is it going to be good? Chipper Jones

DOB, you think he meant Lowe?

JUST SAYIN'

February 12th, 2010
2:48 pm

LT200

February 12th, 2010
2:41 pm
I am in Kissimmee, Fl and that is about 2 hours north of Ft. Lauderdale and it certainly aint 72 degrees. More like 52.

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Kissimmee is at least 3 hours from Ft. Lauderdale. I am in Stuart and that is about 2 hours from Kissimmee. AND IT IS 72 AS I TYPE THIS.

I don’t type lies so don’t intimate that again.

I also know it is snowing in Pensacola but that has nothing to do with the temp here in Stuart.

Incidentally the forecast is for a low tomorrow morning of 34 so the cold air is moving south. It simply hasn’t gotten here yet.

Nova Scotia Steve

February 12th, 2010
2:48 pm

I’d say Chipper’s comments mean both Hudson AND Lowe

sidslidkid

February 12th, 2010
2:48 pm

hoho, come on dude….

hoho

February 12th, 2010
2:49 pm

callin it as i see it Shanks. If you don’t like it feel free to offer another point of view. You clearly haven’t yet.

Heath

February 12th, 2010
2:49 pm

LT200 -

Here in Ohio…we’d love 52 right about now…

Rob from SC

February 12th, 2010
2:50 pm

joerochester

Coke is going to the bullpen. Leyland wants him there.

McCann Fan - Top 5 Desert Island Albums

February 12th, 2010
2:51 pm

Shanks A Lot – what are the odds that two next-door neighbors are both on here at the same time. We both need to get back to work. I won’t make you participate in my Top 5 Desert Island albums survey but I would like to see what you would say.

JUST SAYIN'

February 12th, 2010
2:51 pm

HoHo, you trying to start a race war on this blog? Sounds like you may have a problem, in your obvious reach for racial political correctness.

hoho

February 12th, 2010
2:52 pm

sidslidkid- have you seen play? I havent. Surely there is SOME player who is not a black American that he reminds you of, right?

LT200

February 12th, 2010
2:53 pm

I never said anyone was lying. I was only making a point as to how cold it is here in Osceola County. Also,the part of Kissimmee that I am in is probably no more than 2 to 2 hours and 15 minutes from Ft. Lauderdale. Osceola county is pretty and goes all the way to the okechobee county line.

jon

February 12th, 2010
2:54 pm

Dave at least your realistic, your buddy jeff schultz who keeps writing about Johhny Damon, doesn’t know what the f… he’s talking about!

joerochester

February 12th, 2010
2:54 pm

I don’t think the Tigers have enough pitching to compete in the central. I think the Twins and Sox battle it out.

If I could sing like Paul McCartney and get funky like Etta James

February 12th, 2010
2:55 pm

The Allman Brothers Live and the Filmore East
Bruce Springsteen The River
Who’s Next
Rodney Crowell Fate’s Right Hand
Van Morrison Moon dance

hoho

February 12th, 2010
2:57 pm

JUST SAYIN’- no wars, just comments. Not tryin to stir up stuff just to do it. Callin it like i see it. Maybe it’s just a happy damn coincidence that the ONLY players he reminded Chip and DOB of were black American players. Hopefully when I see him play his swing will remind me of Chipper’s swing. But it’d be just as fine if it reminds me of Hammerin’ Hanks too. I’m sure there is room for many opinions, just surprised that the two opinions offered here were so limited. Can’t wait to see the man play.

hal

February 12th, 2010
2:57 pm

mark this down some on \this blog project knowing a lot more about baseball then they actually know in fact if they think they know anything …..

StingerSplash

February 12th, 2010
2:57 pm

I turned 21 in prison doing life without parole.

Is getting/not getting Johnny Damon a make or break deal for the Braves’ 2010 hopes?
I think it would be great to have him — good leadoff hitter, has some power, still runs well (though Bobby probably won’t turn him loose to swipe 50 bags and I’m not sure he can do that anymore, anyway) and works the count, gives the other batters a chance to see what the guy on the mound has.
He certainly has some defensive deficiencies, but I think for a team in need of a table setter at the top, he’d be a good fit for a year or two.
But if the Braves don’t get him, honestly, I think they’ll be all right.

Eric In Albany N.Y.

February 12th, 2010
2:58 pm

hoho hayward reminds me of a young yogi berra! what the hell is with that dumb comment

hoho

February 12th, 2010
2:59 pm

didn’t see yogi play when he was young or older so I don’[t know what’s up with that dumb comment.
Let me know if you figure it out.

TommyP

February 12th, 2010
2:59 pm

Heyward reminds me of a young Greg Norton.

I’ve never seen either get a hit. (hopefully that suffices)

Bobby's former players

February 12th, 2010
3:00 pm

Why we love Bobby:
He gave us cute little nicknames
He let us party all spring
He let us play our way into shape in regular season, causing untold pulled and tweaked muscles, hammys, quads, obliques, etc.
He didn’t make us practice bunting
He didn’t make us practice hitting behind the runner
Doesn’t mind if we swing away at the first three pitches
He doesn’t “disrespect” us by moving us down in the order when we are in a woeful slump

David O'Brien

February 12th, 2010
3:03 pm

As a former Fort Lauderdale resident, I’ll never make fun of South Floridians and their TV stations for making a big deal out of “cold snaps” in the 40-degree range again. Because here in Atlanta, on an early Friday afternoon when there’s simple snow falling and the roads aren’t even icy (it’s not cold enough yet for that), our city is responding as if it’s freakin’ blizzard. Seriously. Traffic on N. Druid Hills Rd. at 2:30 p.m. looked like it would normally at 5:30 or 6 p.m., except worse. Is anyone in the city still working today?

Here’s the topper, at least for me: I went to deposit an insurance check at my credit union, wanted to get it in before weekend since I’m paying bills, etc. I pull up to the credit union at 2:40 p.m., where me and a few other people, including a flustered woman holding her young daughter’s hand, were greeted with a little sign on the door that said they’d decided to close early and would see us on Tuesday (Moday is President’s Day).

Really? You run a bank, and on Friday afternoon, when a lot of working people have to do some banking before the weekend, a day that some banks usually stay open, you actually decide it’d be prudent to close a few hours early because it’s snowing. Seriously?

Geez, I hope you made it hope in time to watch the snow falling while drinking a hot chocolate, pretending you’re getting a real snowstorm like the ones that people in the Northeast have been getting all winter. While schlubs like me are driving through the snow to get to your bank before it’s scheduled closing time, only to be greeted by a sign informing us that you folks decided you’d call it a day early.

StingerSplash

February 12th, 2010
3:04 pm

Hmm, five albums to have on a deserted island.
Southern Rock Opera – Drive-By Truckers
Mystery Road – Drivin n Cryin
Physical Graffiti – Led Zeppelin (Dude, if you’re gonna be on a deserted island, better load up on some double albums)
Revolver – some guys named The Beatles
Fair Warning – Van Halen

TommyP

February 12th, 2010
3:05 pm

Damn, DOB. Drink a beer, brother. Enjoy the snow.

Larry Wayne

February 12th, 2010
3:06 pm

Recall last year when Chipper was impressed with Francoeur in the offseason as well. That went well didn’t it? I’m pulling for Heyward, he looks like a stud. Let’s not rely on #10 to evaluate talent, he past evaluations haven’t really been spot on.

David O'Brien

February 12th, 2010
3:08 pm

TommyP: Enjoy the snow? Some of us have work to do, brother. Got a spring preview and five-point spring checklist due at 5 p.m., so 30 minutes driving to and from the closed bank didn’t help.

But maybe I should just shove it all aside and enjoy the monumental snowfall. You’re right. I’ll tell my boss I shut down the computer early due to the weather.

Andy K.

February 12th, 2010
3:08 pm

Fox Sports says nothing is imminent with Damon and Tigers…You’ve gotta think Braves are probably still in on it

PMC

February 12th, 2010
3:09 pm

DOB I’m just hoping Johnny makes it here so you can use Ben Harper’s “Get it like you like it” in you blogs.

McCann Fan - Top 5 Desert Island Albums

February 12th, 2010
3:09 pm

Stinger – You going to Truckers at Variety Playhouse on March 13th? It will be my first.

DOB – All that hard work and you get a slap in the face by lazy bankers. Sorry dude.

BravesFanLostInOhio

February 12th, 2010
3:09 pm

DOB @ 3:03, that would piss me off, too. I’ve had to shovel my driveway four times in the last week, and I’ve been out every day.

Shanks A Lot

February 12th, 2010
3:10 pm

McCann Fan -

No work for me today. Not much golf happening on a day like this. If I were you I’d wrap it up and head to the house.

TommyP

February 12th, 2010
3:11 pm

LOL Maybe you shouldn’t be banking during work hours then.

Fla Braves Fan 1

February 12th, 2010
3:11 pm

yogi young or old????? what is that?

i can't take it anymore

February 12th, 2010
3:12 pm

heyward reminds me of freddie freeman. they both got hits when I saw them play. and cecill fielder, too. they are both really big

Greg O

February 12th, 2010
3:12 pm

DOB, I’m one of those people in the Northeast having been hit with real snowstorms all winter that you referenced in your 3:03. And, as someone with a brother whose scheduled flight to Atlanta today was cancelled days in advance, not because of the weather up north, but because of the flurries down south, I’m laughing hysterically at your last post. It’s always comical to see the reactions of people not accustomed to snowfall when it happens. Then again, I’m not sure people from my area can comment since there were school closings and whatnot before our latest storm ever happened and we were left with maybe 5 or 6 inches of accumulation – far less than expected.

TennesseePaul

February 12th, 2010
3:14 pm

Braves_Fan_RSD: Yes. They did do well. And there are more dimensions to it than a straight Granderson for Damon swap. For one Damon isn’t a platoon player. Granderson is. Granderson is owed an average of $8.5M over the next three years. Even at $7M for Damon they are getting a “less expensive” player. And one that can play every day and against every pitcher at that.

Lew: Regarding the question you had yesterday (or maybe it was the day before) concerning player value and player production I scoured the internet to gather the numbers… I picked up the salaries of 1,228 players on ML rosters in 2009 from Cots and then 1,351 players who had some appearance in a game in 2009 from Baseball Reference. Not having my trusty modeling tools that I used to have access to in SoCal I had to do an adhoc overview.

From the looks of it, the answer to your question is Damon should be valued at between $5.5M and $6M. That would make the Braves first offer low, but I’m sure it was simply a first offer and jumping off point. And of course my model is not perfect. If the Braves get him for anywhere in that range then I believe they have not over paid for him. That is based on his career numbers juxtaposed with production and pay from 2009.

Now if I were Boras I would probably make the argument based largely off of his previous year (2009) while also holding his career highlights in the other hand. And based on those numbers Damon would fall into the $9.5 to $10M range… which would seem to “justify” his request for an annual salary of around $10… (read he was seeking 2yr/$20M after swinging and missing on his hopes for 4yr/$52M from the Yankees). Paying him at the level of his best year in his career would be a mistake, even if it is adjusted to the current market value for players. So I would say the closer it gets to $9.5M the more it becomes overpaying.

Shanks A Lot

February 12th, 2010
3:14 pm

SMASH YOUR COMPUTERS, ITS SNOWING!!!!

IF YOURE IN YOUR CAR, GET OUT AND RUN!!! THE WHITE DEATH IS UPON US!!!!

dwaynerice

February 12th, 2010
3:15 pm

DOB.

Do you know, legally, how much longer Liberty has to hold on to the Braves? Seems to me it was an agreement for X number of years; in other words, do you see them putting the Braves up for sale anywhere near the time they legally can do so?

Martin From Oakland, CA

February 12th, 2010
3:15 pm

Jon Heyman of SI.com says via Twitter that it looks like the Damon sweepstakes will come down to the White Sox and Tigers. He says the Braves don’t appear to have the money to bid.

Heyman needs to make up his mind on what he says…

Andy K.

February 12th, 2010
3:19 pm

Martin, I wouldn’t put much stock in that Heyman comment…he has been goign back and forth on many topics for a while

Shanks A Lot

February 12th, 2010
3:19 pm

I’m begining to think Heyman is a shill for Scott Boras

Travis

February 12th, 2010
3:19 pm

hoho- Heyward was paid the highest compliment by being compared to some of the best players to ever grace a mlb uniform. Only you saw the fact that they were black. The fact remains that some of the most athletic builds and some of the prettiest leftie swings belong to guys like Ken Griiffey and “the crime dog”. I bet Heyward would be thrilled by the tribute paid to him by Chipper.

Report: Braves out on Damon sweepstakes

February 12th, 2010
3:19 pm

P-Town Brave

February 12th, 2010
3:19 pm

I don’t think anyone has any idea where this is going…ESPN is saying there never was a 2-yr offer for 14M, so as of now, the only two public offers were Detroit 1/6 and Atlanta 1/5…

Fla Braves Fan 1

February 12th, 2010
3:20 pm

TP
Granderson is a platoon player? Did not realize that

Andy K.

February 12th, 2010
3:20 pm

Like I said…never take stock on heyman’s comments…

TnBrian

February 12th, 2010
3:20 pm

I always laugh at the people running to the stores to buy milk and bread like a bat out of hell because of some flurries. Even the 3/4 in. we got like two weeks ago had completely melted within two or three days.

EVERYBODY IS FREAKIN OUT!!!!!

TnBrian

February 12th, 2010
3:23 pm

Regarding Damon:

Are we in or out?

That’s what she s….. SHUT YO MOUTH!

P-Town Brave

February 12th, 2010
3:23 pm

^^ YOU GUYS ARE HILARIOUS!!

We had more than that overnight…we call it a “dusting”…

I wonder what you guys would do if you had the 8 that is still sitting around up here…

McCann Fan - Top 5 Desert Island Albums

February 12th, 2010
3:23 pm

Shanks A Lot – If it were up to me I would have left already. It’s looking good to not open tomorrow though (first scheduled Saturday opening of the year). But yes, I have already smashed my computer.

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