CB – nothing unexpected – discussed the caravan; Damon – usual quote-”we like what we have, but always looking”; confident about Glaus at first base; happy Glavine has returned; would rank the rotation higher than Buster Olney; thinks those fans who are unsure how good the Braves will be need to give it a chance and see how it goes
-Radiohead: OK Computer
-My Morning Jacket: Okonokos
-Ben Harper and the Innocent Criminals: Live From Mars
-Wilco: Kicking Television
-Led Zeppelin: Remasters
I don’t think the loss of Damon will be a great loss. IF we need help
later in the season, we’ll still have 3-4 M to use in a trade for another bat. I’m liking the way our outfield is shaping up. It’s
like I tell my wife, “Just because we have a little extra money doesn’t
mean we have to spend it right now”
I hate to poke fun because I love the guy and what he’s brought to the field his entire career, but it’s just like Old Hoss to get hurt playing golf. Some of us clearly get a little more fragile as we get older, and that’s been Chipper’s story the last coupla years.
DOB, thanks for the good update and especially the quotes from Tom
Glavine. I’m glad he agrees that it was probably for the best. I
would have hated to see him try to hang on too long like Smoltzie
appears to be doing. Thank you Tommy for all the great Braves memories.
Please explain. From my angle. Wren set a price in his head that would be deemed worth investing in Damon for the minimal (if any) upgrade he would have been over Diaz/Melky in LF. Detroit far exceeded that offer.
The only way I see Wren getting played in this deal, is if he’s stupid enough to match it.
Damon at 3-5 million dollars(preferably less than 4 million) = good bargan and worth doing.
Damon at 5+ million = too much money for a guy who isn’t going to give the Braves much more than Melky and Diaz (and will play worse defensively than Melky and be a wash defensively with Diaz).
Melky and Diaz are going to combine for 5.3 million in 2010. Why on earth would Wren be willing to pay 7 million for Damon?
Who thinks we carry 5 OF’ers – Diaz, Cabrera, McLouth, Heyward, Schafer with 1 backup middle INF’er – Infante and 12 pitchers or 5 OF’ers with 2 backup middle INF’ers and 11 pitchers or 12 pitchers 2 backup middle INF’ers and 4 OF’ers with Schafer starting at AAA?
That averages out to maybe a .275 avg with 18 HR, 96 RBI. Damon would doing very good to do that in Atlanta. Main reason whi I’d like to see him here is for leadoff skills.
I went into a car dealership earlier today, made an offer on a used car. Then some jackass came in after me and offered way more than I did, and were willing to make payments on it for an additional year. Sounds like the car dealership is going to take the other guy’s offer.
N8, that’s a good point about trying the Community BBQ tonight, to see if elusive food is available finally. Of course, my luck we’d get there and there’d be a sign up that they are closed because of snow. And that’d be three strikes, so I’d not be able to return. So I gotta decide. Should call before we go, for sure, if we decide to.
well stated N8…So far wren didn’t get JR….and that hurt how…didn’t get furcal…and that hurt how….what has he missed out on that turned out to be a big miss???
How did he get hustled? Are you that same idiot on Bradley’s blog claiming Wren was a terrible GM because of the deals he tried to make for Peavy and Furcal? Not sure exactly how someone can be judged on deals that didn’t happen because Wren either refused to pay the asking price or because a jerk of an agent screwed him over.
Call Wren (or Liberty Media) cheap if you want for not being willing to pony up the money for a 36 year old OF with and arm that would remind people every night of the 16 hopper that Bonds threw trying to get Bream in 92.
But if you think Wren got “played” or “hustled” in this negotiation, you’re just and idiot.
If you’re a fan who realy, realy, realy, realy, REALLY wanted Johnny Damon and are silly enough to think that he is “THE” difference in this team making the playoffs. Then yeah. I can see why you’d be upset that LM won’t give Wren the authority to overbid for captain caveman’s services.
But if that were to happen and Damon were to have a down year, how long do you think it would take for half of you to gripe about that contract, like Derek Lowe’s contract?
Maybe, If the car you end up buying or sticking with (McLouth) can’t get you around the block or on base regularly – making that improved gas mileage (Chipper, Glauss) effective.
Do you know, legally, how much longer Liberty has to hold on to the Braves? — dwaynerice
They are required to keep the team through the current collective bargaining agreement, which expires after the 2011 season. But Braves CEO Terry McGuirk told me that Liberty might hold onto the team for considerably longer.
I guess much could depend on the economy between now and then, because Liberty presumably wouldn’t sell the Braves until they can get what they believe is a fair price, which might not happen in the near future.
By the way, you a Miami Heat fan? Though maybe that screen name was a combo of Glen Rice and Dwayne Wade.
Nathan-Damned if you do and damned if you don’t. When you start getting judged on deals that you don’t make AND the deals you do, you stand no chance.
Guess you must be a joke because you didn’t play a gig or two you could have, right? Maybe a picture you didn’t take. One of your worst, without a doubt.
Someone said it on an earlier blog and I couldn’t agree more….just wish Damon would sign SOMEWHERE and stop all this speculation. Between him and the “snow arguments”, people seem to be getting a bit testy here.
Andrew in PA: Good post at … well, I’m sure I could find one if I went back a ways. (Just busting your chops, but a couple of your most recent posts were weak and a little offensive, including one that got deleted.)
I think Damon wants to play in Atlanta for one year, otherwise we’d be hearing the announcement of him in Detroit. It’s doubtful a better offer is out there. He sees the potential of this lineup and the Braves realize there is a whole at the top. None of this would be happening if the Braves were confident in an in house solution at the top of the order. Damon certainly isn’t improving the OF defense.
Oh goodie. Glavine joins mean old management and will not be the union rep any more. Man, how are the union thugs going to take this one? Glavine will probably be their inside spy man. Or, maybe he could just get a job with some of the Obama auto industry union thugs. He is more skilled at milking money out of someone than he is giving it too someone. I have very, very serious doubts that adding Tom “the union cry baby thug” Glavine to the management roster is going to help the sorry Braves win anything. Why the heck didn’t you just join your pals the Mets Glavine, you fit in there so so well.
February 12th, 2010
2:57 pm
JUST SAYIN’- no wars, just comments. Not tryin to stir up stuff just to do it. Callin it like i see it.
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OK but it seemed that you were trying to start some racial crap. No one else here noticed the comparisons were limited to black players. Frankly I don’t see the problem you see. Perhaps you can find a white player Jason reminds you of. Give it a shot. Surprise us.
“Maybe, If the car you end up buying or sticking with (McLouth) can’t get you around the block or on base regularly – making that improved gas mileage (Chipper, Glauss) effective.”thickfreakness
Love the analogy. Isn’t that fun? Anyhow, as much as I enjoyed it, it’s a horsesh!t arguement.
Can everybody agree that McLouth had a down year last year. Whether it was from injury, his eyes, the trade… whatever.
But here’s the thing. His numbers aren’t that far off of what Damon did last year in one of the best hitter’s parks, in one of the best lineups.
Damon: 143 games, 625 PA, 228 times on base (.365 OBP – not counting reaching on errors), 107 runs, 24 HR, 84 RBI.
McLouth: 129 games, 591 PA, 207 times on base (.354 OBP – not counting reaching on errors), 86 runs, 20 HR, 70 RBI.
Can we agree that if McLouth is healthy enough to play in 143 games, his numbers will be pretty much the same as Damon’s?
All this talk of getting Damon to improve the leadoff position, and I’ve been guilty of it as well. I’ve spent too much time focussing on Damon vs. Melky/Diaz, that I hadn’t bothered looking at the comparison between Damon and McLouth.
They’re the same guy. Only one is younger, cheaper and under control for a while.
McFann Fan & Hillbilly,
Had to go in the office and put the old vinyl on JJW, boy that was some good times. Now I need to go buy a six pack that is some drinking music.
Yeah, I cranked up London Homesick Blues with Gary P. Nunn on the way home from work a minute ago, solely because of the posts on this blog, today. Good times coming up tonight.
Lew I used to work for a company that had a factory in St. Albans, about 10-12 miles from the Quebec border. Talk about cold, that is one cold mutha in the middle of winter.
I also lived in Wisconsin and Northern Illinois for many years and this Georgia boy learned a whole lot about snow and cold during those years.
joerochester, I do. But I was one for 13 years. I think everybody should have to do that job for a while, selling any time of merchandise. You can always tell the people who have NEVER worked at a job like that, because they are the ones bullying people around and generally giving out little respect for somebody just trying to make a living.
Often, I’d like to complain about food at restaurants, or this, that and the other. But I don’t. One, because this community is small enough that if I make an ass of my self, word will spread and being a small buisness owner, that isn’t good for business. Two because the best way to hurt a business, is to discontinue to give them your business.
How’s the old saying go? It takes 25 VERY pleased customers to make up for one angry one? 50 percent of people will never mention a satisfying trip to a place to eat, or a furniture store. But 90 percent of people will spout off to anybody willing to listen (even strangers), if they feel they got screwed by a business.
Treat customers the way you’d like to be treated when you’re the customer and your business will boom. Really a pretty simple rule that goes a LONG way towards success.
Awesome … there’s a lovely patch of black ice on McLendon near my house, and there’s been one accident already. One car had New York plates, the other Pennsylvania.
Just Sayin-Yeah, It can be a tad nippy up here on occasion. Not too much snow this year though, but we have been down to around minus ten -even so, no nearly as bad as the day I left for ST some years back-minus 38 actual temperature. THAT was colder than I ever want to experience ever again.
Snow again, yeah a little more than last time looks like and yes, here in Atlanta snow isn’t as common as maybe up north and in the midwest. People down here would rather be safe than sorry, call it freaking out, I call it being prepared. Kind of like people who aren’t use to how hot it gets down here in the summer, this southern heat. A little different than summers up that way.
I would expect the same kind of behavior from northern folk if they got hit by a dust storm. I’m pretty sure you guys would freak a little bit too. I know I had never seen one before visiting some family in Arizona. Just like i’m pretty sure hurricane preparation would be a little more frantic for those who aren’t use to it unlike my family in Miami. Just the way it is.
Still no new news on the Damon front, if that Detorit deal is true can’t see him passing it up. So close to spring training. Depending on what happens with Damon or if we start with Diaz and Melky I’m leaning more towards hoping Heyward is starting the season in triple A simlar to what we did with Hanson. That is unless in spring training he’s just really to good to justify sending him there.
Andrew in PA, Wren didn’t get hustled. It appears Detroit got hustled
Wren merely made a good business decision. You appear to be a typical
Braves basher who thinks he could do a better job at the GM, managing
and playing than the current men we have. Sad, so sad.
“The point is not about comparing Nate to Johnny, but by adding Johnny and moving Nate down in the order making for a better ballclub…”P-Town
If you’re of the belief that Damon is an upgrade over a Melky/Diaz platoon. I don’t. So that’s where the difference is. Especially not for 2 years/14 million dollars.
As for the runs scored? Damon scored 107 in 143 games (.74 runs per game). McLouth scored 86 runs in 129 games (.66 runs per game). So, like I was saying, if McLouth plays the same amount of games as Damon, it’s equal (or pretty damn close to it).
Can’t argue the rings, or the strikeouts. So I won’t. But I stopped believing in post-season experience when the Braves were in their 10th year of post-season play after winning the WS in 95, withouth winning another one and having a string of first round exits.
I’ve seen to many teams with guys with less playoff experience take care of the Braves (and other teams), to make that mean much to me as a fan. Melky has one more ring than everybody on the Braves other than Chipper and Glaus. Does that make him better than Escobar, Prado or McCann?
As I’ve said all along. Adding Damon would be a nice addition to the team and clubhouse. But anything above the 5.2 million that Melky and Diaz will combine for is not worth it. I really, honestly believe that the Braves will get similar production from those two as they would with Damon. Really.
Yesterday I spoke of the need to have base runners when Chipper ( tremendous situational hitter) and Glauss (power), are at bat. Obviously, this puts pressure on the pitcher and the defense with McCann and Escobar (led League in avg./RISP last year) to follow. I think Braves brass also view this as essential to maximize the abilities of our 3,4 hitters. You saw last year how Chipper suffered when hitting with no one on base.
The Career Facts:
McLouth as 1st batter in game – 293 AB .197 BA .271 OBP
McLouth leading off an inning – 593 AB .245 BA .315 OBP
Damon as 1st batter in game – 1523 AB .274 BA .345 OBP
Damon leading off an inning – 3187 AB .290 BA .355 OBP
To me it’s simple, Damon has proven he can reach base which makes our 2-7 extremely effective. I like Nate at 7 were he will do great damage. I just think he is miscast at 1. Just my opinion.
You sound just like me, I can’t stand it when people freak out over 2 inches of snow. Earlier I was at the store picking up a 30 pack and people were acting like the world was coming to an end….
You are becoming more and more like me everyday. Next thing you will be bumping old Mariah and R Kelly, lol
CB, I wasn’t a used car salesman. I said I worked in sales. Actually I never stated that. But joerochester asked if I hated how salespeople worked, and I responded without being specific.
But no. Never worked as a used car salesperson. Couldn’t pay me enough to do that job. Not in this state, with our weather.
If you need to know, I worked at a mom and pop camera shop/photo lab. Wasn’t a great job, but my boss was a guy that used to play in bands, so he was realy cool about giving me EVERY day I needed off to go gig. So when I was playing full time, i still worked there on off days for extra cash.
The knowledge I garnered there selling cameras taught me more than I learned going to photography school, which led me to freelancing, and now to owning a full-fledged photo studio.
The snow doesn’t bother me – it’s actually really pretty. However, the slick roads? That’s another story. -Soph
Yeah, its not really the snow that causes the trouble, its what it does to the roads down here. Ground is generally not cold enough so it melts and creates the dangerous driving situations. Icey roads and cars just don’t go together well. Shoot, Ice in general is just more dangerous. Can walk perfectly fine across snow in the yard but it gets a little tricky when I try to walk on the ice on my driveway.
Actually, yeah, I have. But you see, down here in the South it’s just not as common, so we tend to get a little more excited.
I think you can deal with your little dusting you have…
To us, this is not a dusting, duuude. It’s about 4-5 inches. and it’s still coming down. I mean, come on–duh the people up North cann deal with more snow than we folks down here…y’all see this stuff all the time.
Jake W.Yeah, its not really the snow that causes the trouble, its what it does to the roads down here. Ground is generally not cold enough so it melts and creates the dangerous driving situations.
Lew, thank you for your kind words. You know I enjoy your work as well.
“thickfreakness”, great dig on the stats. Apparently I wasn’t digging deep enough.
But I’m of the belief (maybe blind faith) that McLouth wasn’t 100 percent last year, and for whatever reason, expect big things from him.
But I’m with you. I like McLouth lower in the order.
I’ll take it one further. I’m kind of curious to see what Diaz would do in the leadoff spot. Very small sample size batting leadoff for the game (only 11 games), but he’s gone .500/.545/.500/1.045
Leading off an inning (312 PA), .337/.381/.408/.880
To take it even further, the best leadoff hitter on the team, isn’t even being considered in all of this. If having Nate lower in the order is all you want, why not do that and move Escobar to the leadoff spot.
In 75 games that he’s led off a game he gone: .411/.427/.616/1.043
Leading off an inning (360 PA), .312/.364/.423/.787
Seems to me that Escobar is better suited to bat leadoff than either McLouth OR Damon.
I’ve tried twice to get website stuff to post. But I’ll try again.
My business website is platinumphotography.org
If you’re on facebook, you can look me up under Platinum Photography. I don’t think there is more than one on facebook, but I’m located in Bismarck ND, just in case.
I like the facebook page better than my actual website. Plus I’ve got more photos (and more recent ones) up there.
My poor little Wrennines are breaking my heart! I just fed one some worms by sticking my hand out the back door. Didn’t take long for him to come up to me (he was waiting by the window, anyway), but after he had eaten a bunch, he flew under the grill and wouldn’t come back. I was thinking that the snow was too deep for him–and he then tried to land in some snow on the railing, but he jumped up right away because he started to sink.
And I really don’t wanna here about the Northern birds…
I agree on Diaz as leadoff because we don’t need base stealers we need base runners to maximze the abilities of Chipper and Glauss.
2009 Chipper with base runners: 275 AB .282 BA .433 OPB .887 OPS
2009 chipper with bases empty : 321 AB .251 BA .349 OBP .761 OPS
JUST SAYIN’- I have already said that i have NEVER seen Heyward play. I cannot make any comparisons. I have asked others to do so if they have seen the man play. Perhaps no one mentioned it since I was one of the first to post today. People perhaps saw that I was “stirring” up something and stayed away. Perhaps some people saw that I mentioned it and felt no need to mention it again. BTW, “racial crap” sure sounds like another way of saying “stuff I don’t want to hear anymore about”. If that is so, I understand. However, that “crap” is still out there and some folks have a more keen eye to notice it, some are just more sensitive to it. Folks who are tired of hearing about it are usually folks who have not gone through much “racial crap” or folks who have gone through “too much” “racial crap”. I called no one a racist. Just pointing out old attitudes and tendencies that still seem to be out there. Peace to us all. Hope spring training and the season shows us all what is what.
I like Escobar in run producing situations. Unlike nolie with sample sizes, Escobar proved his value last year in these situations, regardless of size.
If Heyward is half as good as everyone on his bandwagon is saying he is, it will be tough for the Braves not to keep him in Atlanta at the end of Spring Training.
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Venice Jim
February 12th, 2010
4:49 pm
CB – nothing unexpected – discussed the caravan; Damon – usual quote-”we like what we have, but always looking”; confident about Glaus at first base; happy Glavine has returned; would rank the rotation higher than Buster Olney; thinks those fans who are unsure how good the Braves will be need to give it a chance and see how it goes
Crime Dog
February 12th, 2010
4:49 pm
-Radiohead: OK Computer
-My Morning Jacket: Okonokos
-Ben Harper and the Innocent Criminals: Live From Mars
-Wilco: Kicking Television
-Led Zeppelin: Remasters
Andrew in PA
February 12th, 2010
4:49 pm
Frank Wren gets played again. I wonder if Mr. Wren strikes out on women as much as he does with men.
AustinBrave
February 12th, 2010
4:50 pm
McFann Fan & Hillbilly,
Had to go in the office and put the old vinyl on JJW, boy that was some good times. Now I need to go buy a six pack that is some drinking music.
Venice Jim
February 12th, 2010
4:50 pm
They have mentioned that the pre-game shows on the Fan will be an hour long, with Buck Balue hosting, with Leo, Lemmer and Glavine contributing.
Andy K.
February 12th, 2010
4:50 pm
Andrew in PA..Wren is married so…
thickfreakness
February 12th, 2010
4:51 pm
brian-
I don’t think the Braves will be robbed this year when the ROI is announced.
thickfreakness
February 12th, 2010
4:51 pm
meant Rookie of the Year.
CB
February 12th, 2010
4:51 pm
VJ,thanks buddy.
McCann Fan
February 12th, 2010
4:54 pm
Amen AustinBrave. Got to hit the road and hope for the best on my commute home. Be safe out there Braves fans.
thickfreakness
February 12th, 2010
4:54 pm
Venice Jim-
And they weren’t fabricating.
unbelievable
February 12th, 2010
4:56 pm
how did Wren get played exactly?
Nate from NCState
February 12th, 2010
4:56 pm
“Frank Wren gets played again. I wonder if Mr. Wren strikes out on women as much as he does with men.”
Derek Lowe, Javier Vazquez, Jair Jurrjens, Billy Wagner, Takashi Saito, Nate McClouth…
I’d say he’s done pretty well so far.
Knockahoma
February 12th, 2010
4:56 pm
I don’t think the loss of Damon will be a great loss. IF we need help
later in the season, we’ll still have 3-4 M to use in a trade for another bat. I’m liking the way our outfield is shaping up. It’s
like I tell my wife, “Just because we have a little extra money doesn’t
mean we have to spend it right now”
RockytopATL
February 12th, 2010
4:57 pm
I hate to poke fun because I love the guy and what he’s brought to the field his entire career, but it’s just like Old Hoss to get hurt playing golf. Some of us clearly get a little more fragile as we get older, and that’s been Chipper’s story the last coupla years.
unbelievable
February 12th, 2010
4:58 pm
its not a loss if you never had it
Knockahoma
February 12th, 2010
5:01 pm
DOB, thanks for the good update and especially the quotes from Tom
Glavine. I’m glad he agrees that it was probably for the best. I
would have hated to see him try to hang on too long like Smoltzie
appears to be doing. Thank you Tommy for all the great Braves memories.
N8
February 12th, 2010
5:02 pm
“Frank Wren gets played again.” Andrew in PA
Please explain. From my angle. Wren set a price in his head that would be deemed worth investing in Damon for the minimal (if any) upgrade he would have been over Diaz/Melky in LF. Detroit far exceeded that offer.
The only way I see Wren getting played in this deal, is if he’s stupid enough to match it.
Damon at 3-5 million dollars(preferably less than 4 million) = good bargan and worth doing.
Damon at 5+ million = too much money for a guy who isn’t going to give the Braves much more than Melky and Diaz (and will play worse defensively than Melky and be a wash defensively with Diaz).
Melky and Diaz are going to combine for 5.3 million in 2010. Why on earth would Wren be willing to pay 7 million for Damon?
lpad
February 12th, 2010
5:03 pm
so i’m an elitist yankee pig? how is that possible when pork is so popular down there?
nolie
February 12th, 2010
5:04 pm
Good call on that Jerry Jeff album from earlier. Guy is awesome.
Knockahoma
February 12th, 2010
5:04 pm
The Damon loss was a loss in the bidding war for his service
Andrew in PA
February 12th, 2010
5:06 pm
Wren got hustled again.
thickfreakness
February 12th, 2010
5:06 pm
Who thinks we carry 5 OF’ers – Diaz, Cabrera, McLouth, Heyward, Schafer with 1 backup middle INF’er – Infante and 12 pitchers or 5 OF’ers with 2 backup middle INF’ers and 11 pitchers or 12 pitchers 2 backup middle INF’ers and 4 OF’ers with Schafer starting at AAA?
TnBrian
February 12th, 2010
5:07 pm
Prediction:
Diaz- .287-10-56
Cabrera– .268-8-40
That averages out to maybe a .275 avg with 18 HR, 96 RBI. Damon would doing very good to do that in Atlanta. Main reason whi I’d like to see him here is for leadoff skills.
DaveInDallas(NC)
February 12th, 2010
5:08 pm
Great to see a NEW subject on the ole blog. Johnny Damon. I haven’t heard much about him lately.
N8
February 12th, 2010
5:11 pm
I went into a car dealership earlier today, made an offer on a used car. Then some jackass came in after me and offered way more than I did, and were willing to make payments on it for an additional year. Sounds like the car dealership is going to take the other guy’s offer.
Guess I got hustled, huh?
David O'Brien
February 12th, 2010
5:14 pm
N8, that’s a good point about trying the Community BBQ tonight, to see if elusive food is available finally. Of course, my luck we’d get there and there’d be a sign up that they are closed because of snow. And that’d be three strikes, so I’d not be able to return. So I gotta decide. Should call before we go, for sure, if we decide to.
itcouldbeworse
February 12th, 2010
5:15 pm
well stated N8…So far wren didn’t get JR….and that hurt how…didn’t get furcal…and that hurt how….what has he missed out on that turned out to be a big miss???
Lew
February 12th, 2010
5:15 pm
How did he get hustled? Are you that same idiot on Bradley’s blog claiming Wren was a terrible GM because of the deals he tried to make for Peavy and Furcal? Not sure exactly how someone can be judged on deals that didn’t happen because Wren either refused to pay the asking price or because a jerk of an agent screwed him over.
nolie
February 12th, 2010
5:16 pm
ho thinks we carry 5 OF’ers – Diaz, Cabrera, McLouth, Heyward, Schafer with 1 backup middle INF’er – Thick
not a chance in 20 they start the season with those 5 OFers and one IFer.
Ease in Woodstock
February 12th, 2010
5:16 pm
Andrew in PA – can you link for us the announcement that Damon has signed? I can’t find it anywhere…not even Joel Hymen is reporting it yet…
N8
February 12th, 2010
5:16 pm
Call Wren (or Liberty Media) cheap if you want for not being willing to pony up the money for a 36 year old OF with and arm that would remind people every night of the 16 hopper that Bonds threw trying to get Bream in 92.
But if you think Wren got “played” or “hustled” in this negotiation, you’re just and idiot.
If you’re a fan who realy, realy, realy, realy, REALLY wanted Johnny Damon and are silly enough to think that he is “THE” difference in this team making the playoffs. Then yeah. I can see why you’d be upset that LM won’t give Wren the authority to overbid for captain caveman’s services.
But if that were to happen and Damon were to have a down year, how long do you think it would take for half of you to gripe about that contract, like Derek Lowe’s contract?
Andrew in PA
February 12th, 2010
5:16 pm
Frank is a joke. But not as much as Omar Minaya.
thickfreakness
February 12th, 2010
5:16 pm
N8-
Maybe, If the car you end up buying or sticking with (McLouth) can’t get you around the block or on base regularly – making that improved gas mileage (Chipper, Glauss) effective.
Andy K.
February 12th, 2010
5:17 pm
Andrew in PA, not to mention it’s not over yet…Damon could still sign with Atlanta.
Lew
February 12th, 2010
5:17 pm
Andrew-Not so sure it’s FW who’s the joke. Seems you’ve got that territory staked out yourself.
TnBrian
February 12th, 2010
5:18 pm
Damon says he has other offers besides Tigers and Braves.
Alright, I’m officially sick of this dude. The human brain can only take so much of slurred speaking ex Sox & Yankee player.
McFann
February 12th, 2010
5:18 pm
This snow is really beautiful! And it’s still comin’ down! I’ll have pictures up soon–tonight or tomorrow.
David O'Brien
February 12th, 2010
5:19 pm
Do you know, legally, how much longer Liberty has to hold on to the Braves? — dwaynerice
They are required to keep the team through the current collective bargaining agreement, which expires after the 2011 season. But Braves CEO Terry McGuirk told me that Liberty might hold onto the team for considerably longer.
I guess much could depend on the economy between now and then, because Liberty presumably wouldn’t sell the Braves until they can get what they believe is a fair price, which might not happen in the near future.
By the way, you a Miami Heat fan? Though maybe that screen name was a combo of Glen Rice and Dwayne Wade.
CB
February 12th, 2010
5:19 pm
Lew,you read Bradley’s blog? Oh,the horror!
N8
February 12th, 2010
5:19 pm
DOB, they’ll probably still be out of food. But maybe they’d help you out with your banking issues?
Lew
February 12th, 2010
5:20 pm
Nathan-Damned if you do and damned if you don’t. When you start getting judged on deals that you don’t make AND the deals you do, you stand no chance.
Guess you must be a joke because you didn’t play a gig or two you could have, right? Maybe a picture you didn’t take. One of your worst, without a doubt.
Just Pat
February 12th, 2010
5:20 pm
Someone said it on an earlier blog and I couldn’t agree more….just wish Damon would sign SOMEWHERE and stop all this speculation. Between him and the “snow arguments”, people seem to be getting a bit testy here.
Lew
February 12th, 2010
5:21 pm
CB-Not regularly.
David O'Brien
February 12th, 2010
5:22 pm
N8, good post at 5:11.
Andrew in PA: Good post at … well, I’m sure I could find one if I went back a ways. (Just busting your chops, but a couple of your most recent posts were weak and a little offensive, including one that got deleted.)
Andrew in PA
February 12th, 2010
5:24 pm
Haters.
thickfreakness
February 12th, 2010
5:24 pm
I think Damon wants to play in Atlanta for one year, otherwise we’d be hearing the announcement of him in Detroit. It’s doubtful a better offer is out there. He sees the potential of this lineup and the Braves realize there is a whole at the top. None of this would be happening if the Braves were confident in an in house solution at the top of the order. Damon certainly isn’t improving the OF defense.
Sgt. Pepper
February 12th, 2010
5:24 pm
The Sporting News baseball preview says the Braves picked up Tim Hudson’s option. Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t that false?
ExBraves Fan
February 12th, 2010
5:26 pm
Oh goodie. Glavine joins mean old management and will not be the union rep any more. Man, how are the union thugs going to take this one? Glavine will probably be their inside spy man. Or, maybe he could just get a job with some of the Obama auto industry union thugs. He is more skilled at milking money out of someone than he is giving it too someone. I have very, very serious doubts that adding Tom “the union cry baby thug” Glavine to the management roster is going to help the sorry Braves win anything. Why the heck didn’t you just join your pals the Mets Glavine, you fit in there so so well.
TnBrian
February 12th, 2010
5:27 pm
LMFAO at 5:22!!
Heath
February 12th, 2010
5:27 pm
Bou chica wou wou
JUST SAYIN'
February 12th, 2010
5:28 pm
hoho
February 12th, 2010
2:57 pm
JUST SAYIN’- no wars, just comments. Not tryin to stir up stuff just to do it. Callin it like i see it.
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OK but it seemed that you were trying to start some racial crap. No one else here noticed the comparisons were limited to black players. Frankly I don’t see the problem you see. Perhaps you can find a white player Jason reminds you of. Give it a shot. Surprise us.
N8
February 12th, 2010
5:29 pm
“Maybe, If the car you end up buying or sticking with (McLouth) can’t get you around the block or on base regularly – making that improved gas mileage (Chipper, Glauss) effective.” thickfreakness
Love the analogy. Isn’t that fun? Anyhow, as much as I enjoyed it, it’s a horsesh!t arguement.
Can everybody agree that McLouth had a down year last year. Whether it was from injury, his eyes, the trade… whatever.
But here’s the thing. His numbers aren’t that far off of what Damon did last year in one of the best hitter’s parks, in one of the best lineups.
Damon: 143 games, 625 PA, 228 times on base (.365 OBP – not counting reaching on errors), 107 runs, 24 HR, 84 RBI.
McLouth: 129 games, 591 PA, 207 times on base (.354 OBP – not counting reaching on errors), 86 runs, 20 HR, 70 RBI.
Can we agree that if McLouth is healthy enough to play in 143 games, his numbers will be pretty much the same as Damon’s?
All this talk of getting Damon to improve the leadoff position, and I’ve been guilty of it as well. I’ve spent too much time focussing on Damon vs. Melky/Diaz, that I hadn’t bothered looking at the comparison between Damon and McLouth.
They’re the same guy. Only one is younger, cheaper and under control for a while.
thickfreakness
February 12th, 2010
5:31 pm
ExBraves Fan-
I’m glad you’re an ex- Braves fan. Maybe you’re the one who should join the Mets as an obnoxious fan.
joerochester
February 12th, 2010
5:31 pm
N8
Don’t you hate the way salespeople work?
P-Town Brave
February 12th, 2010
5:33 pm
McFann-
Pictures? Really? Have you never seen snow before?
Hillbilly
February 12th, 2010
5:34 pm
McFann Fan & Hillbilly,
Had to go in the office and put the old vinyl on JJW, boy that was some good times. Now I need to go buy a six pack that is some drinking music.
Yeah, I cranked up London Homesick Blues with Gary P. Nunn on the way home from work a minute ago, solely because of the posts on this blog, today. Good times coming up tonight.
JUST SAYIN'
February 12th, 2010
5:36 pm
Lew I used to work for a company that had a factory in St. Albans, about 10-12 miles from the Quebec border. Talk about cold, that is one cold mutha in the middle of winter.
I also lived in Wisconsin and Northern Illinois for many years and this Georgia boy learned a whole lot about snow and cold during those years.
P-Town Brave
February 12th, 2010
5:36 pm
N8-
The differences I look at are the runs scored AND you didn’t mention the strikeouts, which I would look at as well…
The point is not about comparing Nate to Johnny, but by adding Johnny and moving Nate down in the order making for a better ballclub…
Also, I do believe Johnny has won more rings than Nate
brian
February 12th, 2010
5:37 pm
agree thickfreakness. Just saying it is great seeing such a good dude be successful and I wish him continued success.
N8
February 12th, 2010
5:39 pm
joerochester, I do. But I was one for 13 years. I think everybody should have to do that job for a while, selling any time of merchandise. You can always tell the people who have NEVER worked at a job like that, because they are the ones bullying people around and generally giving out little respect for somebody just trying to make a living.
Often, I’d like to complain about food at restaurants, or this, that and the other. But I don’t. One, because this community is small enough that if I make an ass of my self, word will spread and being a small buisness owner, that isn’t good for business. Two because the best way to hurt a business, is to discontinue to give them your business.
How’s the old saying go? It takes 25 VERY pleased customers to make up for one angry one? 50 percent of people will never mention a satisfying trip to a place to eat, or a furniture store. But 90 percent of people will spout off to anybody willing to listen (even strangers), if they feel they got screwed by a business.
Treat customers the way you’d like to be treated when you’re the customer and your business will boom. Really a pretty simple rule that goes a LONG way towards success.
joerochester
February 12th, 2010
5:39 pm
Average snowfall here is 96 inches. Average high in JUNE is 77 degrees. LOL. Snow is annoying.
John Adcox
February 12th, 2010
5:39 pm
Awesome … there’s a lovely patch of black ice on McLendon near my house, and there’s been one accident already. One car had New York plates, the other Pennsylvania.
Lew
February 12th, 2010
5:39 pm
Just Sayin-Yeah, It can be a tad nippy up here on occasion. Not too much snow this year though, but we have been down to around minus ten -even so, no nearly as bad as the day I left for ST some years back-minus 38 actual temperature. THAT was colder than I ever want to experience ever again.
Lew
February 12th, 2010
5:41 pm
joerochester-Yeah, but we drive through snow that would close down the entire SE U.S..
Jake W.
February 12th, 2010
5:41 pm
Snow again, yeah a little more than last time looks like and yes, here in Atlanta snow isn’t as common as maybe up north and in the midwest. People down here would rather be safe than sorry, call it freaking out, I call it being prepared. Kind of like people who aren’t use to how hot it gets down here in the summer, this southern heat. A little different than summers up that way.
I would expect the same kind of behavior from northern folk if they got hit by a dust storm. I’m pretty sure you guys would freak a little bit too. I know I had never seen one before visiting some family in Arizona. Just like i’m pretty sure hurricane preparation would be a little more frantic for those who aren’t use to it unlike my family in Miami. Just the way it is.
Still no new news on the Damon front, if that Detorit deal is true can’t see him passing it up. So close to spring training. Depending on what happens with Damon or if we start with Diaz and Melky I’m leaning more towards hoping Heyward is starting the season in triple A simlar to what we did with Hanson. That is unless in spring training he’s just really to good to justify sending him there.
CB
February 12th, 2010
5:43 pm
Why does it not surprise me N8 was a used car salesman?
Knockahoma
February 12th, 2010
5:44 pm
Andrew in PA, Wren didn’t get hustled. It appears Detroit got hustled
Wren merely made a good business decision. You appear to be a typical
Braves basher who thinks he could do a better job at the GM, managing
and playing than the current men we have. Sad, so sad.
P-Town Brave
February 12th, 2010
5:45 pm
Guys, its 16 here and there are 8 inches still left on the ground from the last snowfall…plus its supposed to snow Sunday again here…
I think you can deal with your little dusting you have…
N8
February 12th, 2010
5:46 pm
“The point is not about comparing Nate to Johnny, but by adding Johnny and moving Nate down in the order making for a better ballclub…” P-Town
If you’re of the belief that Damon is an upgrade over a Melky/Diaz platoon. I don’t. So that’s where the difference is. Especially not for 2 years/14 million dollars.
As for the runs scored? Damon scored 107 in 143 games (.74 runs per game). McLouth scored 86 runs in 129 games (.66 runs per game). So, like I was saying, if McLouth plays the same amount of games as Damon, it’s equal (or pretty damn close to it).
Can’t argue the rings, or the strikeouts. So I won’t. But I stopped believing in post-season experience when the Braves were in their 10th year of post-season play after winning the WS in 95, withouth winning another one and having a string of first round exits.
I’ve seen to many teams with guys with less playoff experience take care of the Braves (and other teams), to make that mean much to me as a fan. Melky has one more ring than everybody on the Braves other than Chipper and Glaus. Does that make him better than Escobar, Prado or McCann?
As I’ve said all along. Adding Damon would be a nice addition to the team and clubhouse. But anything above the 5.2 million that Melky and Diaz will combine for is not worth it. I really, honestly believe that the Braves will get similar production from those two as they would with Damon. Really.
18 Wheels of Love
February 12th, 2010
5:47 pm
Steely Dan – Aja
Morphone – Cure For Pain
Midnight Oil – Diesel and Dust
Hobex – Back in the 90’s
Drive-By Truckers – Brighter Than Creations Dark
Rob from SC
February 12th, 2010
5:48 pm
Why does everyone bash Frank Wren.
Peavy did not want to come to Atlanta. He got hurt, is a 7 inning pitcher so we should be happy.
Furcal and his agent were 100% wrong.
Wren had to trade Vazquez. Liberty Media has set the payroll.
Wren did a great job keeping our top prospects. Something Schuerholz had trouble with once he had to deal with payroll restrictions.
thickfreakness
February 12th, 2010
5:48 pm
N8-
Yesterday I spoke of the need to have base runners when Chipper ( tremendous situational hitter) and Glauss (power), are at bat. Obviously, this puts pressure on the pitcher and the defense with McCann and Escobar (led League in avg./RISP last year) to follow. I think Braves brass also view this as essential to maximize the abilities of our 3,4 hitters. You saw last year how Chipper suffered when hitting with no one on base.
The Career Facts:
McLouth as 1st batter in game – 293 AB .197 BA .271 OBP
McLouth leading off an inning – 593 AB .245 BA .315 OBP
Damon as 1st batter in game – 1523 AB .274 BA .345 OBP
Damon leading off an inning – 3187 AB .290 BA .355 OBP
To me it’s simple, Damon has proven he can reach base which makes our 2-7 extremely effective. I like Nate at 7 were he will do great damage. I just think he is miscast at 1. Just my opinion.
brent a.
February 12th, 2010
5:49 pm
It’s time to leave the credit union and open an account at a bank that has remote deposit capture.
Tomahawkin
February 12th, 2010
5:50 pm
D.O.B
You sound just like me, I can’t stand it when people freak out over 2 inches of snow. Earlier I was at the store picking up a 30 pack and people were acting like the world was coming to an end….
You are becoming more and more like me everyday. Next thing you will be bumping old Mariah and R Kelly, lol
Lew
February 12th, 2010
5:50 pm
CB-Actually, Nathan is a photographer. I’ve seen some of his work. He’s good.
N8
February 12th, 2010
5:51 pm
CB, I wasn’t a used car salesman. I said I worked in sales. Actually I never stated that. But joerochester asked if I hated how salespeople worked, and I responded without being specific.
But no. Never worked as a used car salesperson. Couldn’t pay me enough to do that job. Not in this state, with our weather.
If you need to know, I worked at a mom and pop camera shop/photo lab. Wasn’t a great job, but my boss was a guy that used to play in bands, so he was realy cool about giving me EVERY day I needed off to go gig. So when I was playing full time, i still worked there on off days for extra cash.
The knowledge I garnered there selling cameras taught me more than I learned going to photography school, which led me to freelancing, and now to owning a full-fledged photo studio.
Soph
February 12th, 2010
5:52 pm
The snow doesn’t bother me – it’s actually really pretty. However, the slick roads? That’s another story.
nolie
February 12th, 2010
5:56 pm
The differences I look at are the runs P-town
the runs scored are like RBI, very lineup dependent and a very poor way to compare players
CB
February 12th, 2010
5:56 pm
N8,sorry. No offense meant- would love to see any photography you would be willing to link.
Jake W.
February 12th, 2010
6:00 pm
The snow doesn’t bother me – it’s actually really pretty. However, the slick roads? That’s another story. -Soph
Yeah, its not really the snow that causes the trouble, its what it does to the roads down here. Ground is generally not cold enough so it melts and creates the dangerous driving situations. Icey roads and cars just don’t go together well. Shoot, Ice in general is just more dangerous. Can walk perfectly fine across snow in the yard but it gets a little tricky when I try to walk on the ice on my driveway.
McFann
February 12th, 2010
6:00 pm
P-Town–
Actually, yeah, I have. But you see, down here in the South it’s just not as common, so we tend to get a little more excited.
I think you can deal with your little dusting you have…
To us, this is not a dusting, duuude. It’s about 4-5 inches. and it’s still coming down. I mean, come on–duh the people up North cann deal with more snow than we folks down here…y’all see this stuff all the time.
McFann
February 12th, 2010
6:01 pm
Jake W. Yeah, its not really the snow that causes the trouble, its what it does to the roads down here. Ground is generally not cold enough so it melts and creates the dangerous driving situations.
Exactly. Good point.
N8
February 12th, 2010
6:01 pm
Lew, thank you for your kind words. You know I enjoy your work as well.
“thickfreakness”, great dig on the stats. Apparently I wasn’t digging deep enough.
But I’m of the belief (maybe blind faith) that McLouth wasn’t 100 percent last year, and for whatever reason, expect big things from him.
But I’m with you. I like McLouth lower in the order.
I’ll take it one further. I’m kind of curious to see what Diaz would do in the leadoff spot. Very small sample size batting leadoff for the game (only 11 games), but he’s gone .500/.545/.500/1.045
Leading off an inning (312 PA), .337/.381/.408/.880
To take it even further, the best leadoff hitter on the team, isn’t even being considered in all of this. If having Nate lower in the order is all you want, why not do that and move Escobar to the leadoff spot.
In 75 games that he’s led off a game he gone: .411/.427/.616/1.043
Leading off an inning (360 PA), .312/.364/.423/.787
Seems to me that Escobar is better suited to bat leadoff than either McLouth OR Damon.
nolie
February 12th, 2010
6:02 pm
McLouth as 1st batter in game – 293 AB .197 BA .271 OBP THICK
too small of a sample size to have much meaning at all.
nolie
February 12th, 2010
6:04 pm
so N8, you gotta web site with purty pxtures on it?
Soph
February 12th, 2010
6:05 pm
Yup, Jake – the ice is what messes everything up down here. I nearly slipped and busted my butt on the driveway a few times already today.
McFann! I want to see those pics.
Tomahawkin
February 12th, 2010
6:06 pm
Soph
Yeah… Atlanta Traffic was off the Chain…I gotta be a good boy tonight, No parting 4 me. Gotta chill at the pad and watch old New York Undercover
N8
February 12th, 2010
6:06 pm
(if this posts twice, I apologize)
CB No offense taken at all. If you’re on facebook, go to:
Platinum Photography
The network will be Bismarck ND
If you’re not on facebook, I have a website as well (actualy like the layout of the facebook page better than the website). But it’s:
platinumphotography.org
Don’t ask about the “.org” part. My guy that set it up was kind of out there. Though I love to claim that I’m “non-profit”.
N8
February 12th, 2010
6:08 pm
I’ve tried twice to get website stuff to post. But I’ll try again.
My business website is platinumphotography.org
If you’re on facebook, you can look me up under Platinum Photography. I don’t think there is more than one on facebook, but I’m located in Bismarck ND, just in case.
I like the facebook page better than my actual website. Plus I’ve got more photos (and more recent ones) up there.
Base
February 12th, 2010
6:08 pm
The Braves tell us to wait till next year!
McFann
February 12th, 2010
6:09 pm
My poor little Wrennines are breaking my heart! I just fed one some worms by sticking my hand out the back door. Didn’t take long for him to come up to me (he was waiting by the window, anyway), but after he had eaten a bunch, he flew under the grill and wouldn’t come back. I was thinking that the snow was too deep for him–and he then tried to land in some snow on the railing, but he jumped up right away because he started to sink.
And I really don’t wanna here about the Northern birds…
thickfreakness
February 12th, 2010
6:10 pm
nolie-
Those are his career numbers, whatever the size.
N8-
I agree on Diaz as leadoff because we don’t need base stealers we need base runners to maximze the abilities of Chipper and Glauss.
2009 Chipper with base runners: 275 AB .282 BA .433 OPB .887 OPS
2009 chipper with bases empty : 321 AB .251 BA .349 OBP .761 OPS
McFann
February 12th, 2010
6:10 pm
Thanks, Soph! I think I’ll start loading the ones I have onto the computer.
Careful on that ice!
hoho
February 12th, 2010
6:10 pm
JUST SAYIN’- I have already said that i have NEVER seen Heyward play. I cannot make any comparisons. I have asked others to do so if they have seen the man play. Perhaps no one mentioned it since I was one of the first to post today. People perhaps saw that I was “stirring” up something and stayed away. Perhaps some people saw that I mentioned it and felt no need to mention it again. BTW, “racial crap” sure sounds like another way of saying “stuff I don’t want to hear anymore about”. If that is so, I understand. However, that “crap” is still out there and some folks have a more keen eye to notice it, some are just more sensitive to it. Folks who are tired of hearing about it are usually folks who have not gone through much “racial crap” or folks who have gone through “too much” “racial crap”. I called no one a racist. Just pointing out old attitudes and tendencies that still seem to be out there. Peace to us all. Hope spring training and the season shows us all what is what.
thickfreakness
February 12th, 2010
6:12 pm
N8-
I like Escobar in run producing situations. Unlike nolie with sample sizes, Escobar proved his value last year in these situations, regardless of size.
N8
February 12th, 2010
6:13 pm
Alright, I’ve tried about 5 posts now trying to give directions to some of my work. Can’t get it past the filter apparently.
JasonInFL
February 12th, 2010
6:15 pm
What was Buster’s top 5?
N8
February 12th, 2010
6:15 pm
Anybody interested I’m on facebook. The name of my company is Platinum Photography. Should be the only one. But if not, I’m in Bismarck, ND.
www.mlbprospectwatch.com
February 12th, 2010
6:17 pm
If Heyward is half as good as everyone on his bandwagon is saying he is, it will be tough for the Braves not to keep him in Atlanta at the end of Spring Training.