Chuck James can Potentially be Solid until the 6th again!!!
February 16th, 2010 4:58 pm
Markus
You never were and never will be a superstar in the making for a multi-billion dollar beloved baseball team. You never had a fan, nor will you ever. If you don’t care about the “stinkin’ ball team” may I ask what the hell are you doing here?? Again, kick rocks…
Who cares, people get too bent out of shape over the silliest crap anyways. Shoot–I got a bad back, bad knees and lost a good job once. Now THOSE are some things to get bent over, not a stinkin ball team.
–Markus
A man becomes preeminent, he’s expected to have enthusiasms. Enthusiasms, enthusiasms… What are mine? What draws my admiration? What is that which gives me joy? Baseball! A man
stands alone at the plate. This is the time for what? For individual achievement. There he stands alone. But in the field, what? Part of a team. Teamwork… Looks, throws, catches, hustles. Part of one big team. Bats himself the live-long day, Babe Ruth, Ty Cobb, and so on. If his team don’t field… what is he? You follow me? No one. Sunny day, the stands are full of fans. What does he have to say? I’m goin’ out there for myself. But… I get nowhere unless the team wins.
Just back from Winter Park. I was not invited to the NASTA championships in March. Skiied mostly blue with a black thrown in. It got ugly late. Fresh powder and snowing which was better than Vancouever. To top it off I had a beef brisket sandwich in the Houston airport and eastern NC que on landing. Sweet.
Hope JJ’s injury was just a freak thing but I always have questioned MLB players playing away from parent team supervision in the off-season outside this country. Hoping for the best but if JJ is shelved for any length of time the rotation will not sustain tyhis type of hit. Given we traded away Vazquez and all. I agree with Chipper it is the rotation that is the bigger question mark and I am sure that was with a healthy JJ to boot.
Markus….we have good steak joints here. I am assuming you mean something local as opposed to say Ruth’s Chris, Outback or Firebirds (which is a Colorado steakhouse based in Charlotte with no franchises in Colorado at all but one in Arizona-go figure). May I suggest The North Pole. No really, that is the name. Way out Route 6(Patterson Ave). Buckheads (name taken from Atlanta area) is very good also on Patterson@ Parham. Firebirds though is very good and sort of an upscale Outback. For what it is worth….
So basically it was your calling here to teach everyone a lesson, and that’s why you spammed the blog? Dude just apologize and move on…no need to try and cover it up…we don’t need a lesson on blogging do and do nots.
I mighta missed something in your conversation, but didn’t those two months get us an extra year of Hanson? It seems you said otherwise. The Super-Two thing is secondary to me. I much prefer the 6.7 years v. 6, with dude being in his prime, as WW pointed out. Maybe not a full year, but that is an extra year.
And, I know we’ve talked about this before (probably too much), but service time has to be a consideration for the front-office in today’s game. I’ll not argue it’s the deciding factor, though it would be for me on Hanson and Heyward, but it has to be a factor. Heyward’d have to go .400/.500/.800 in 40 spring ABs before I’d take him north. Wren and Cox’ll take less, but not much.
WFA6 Is such a bad channel… you guys should hear them talk about how great the Mets Jets And Nets are!!! What Storied Franchises they have to talk about!
Chuck James can Potentially be Solid until the 6th again!!!
February 16th, 2010 5:09 pm
Eric in Albany N.Y.
Chuck James was solid until the 6th. I love the Batista signing they made, if he can pitch 2/3rds of the 6th, 7th when Chuckie takes the mound, Chuckie’s in store for yet another 11 win season. I said it before the Kennedy and Wang signing that they would be a very solid, scrappy squad this year if a couple things go their way. I love their offense and if Wang can bounce back with that wicked sinker they will be an 80+ win team.
Someone else mentioned, something must be wrong with Wang, something deeper because the Yankees just let him fade like he didn’t win 38 games over a 2 year span with a 3.00ish ERA. Very suspicious to me, especially with Hughes and Joba not being the sharpest tools in the shed. I could see this happening with every other team but in Yankee Land money is not an issue…
Chuck James can Potentially be Solid until the 6th again!!!
Poweralley on xm home plate talked to the dodger GM this AM and he said that Wang was pitching in a parking lot when he was asked to watch him throw. he said “wang had great command and he didnt hit a car”
I feel like I need to comment about Markus’ statement that we need to worry about “real problems” and not baseball.
Man, baseball gets me away from my “real problems” – not that my life is bad. It’s just that it provides the escapism I love to have. Sometimes I like to get away from my everyday life. Watching baseball has the power to make me feel like a little kid. I want my team to win and I want my players to be healthy and play well. Don’t diss that we care about our team. This is my hobby, man. Who cares if I care too much?
Chuck James can Potentially be Solid until the 6th again!!!
February 16th, 2010 5:14 pm
Markus
Not a cult, just mature people who take things like this seriously because we love the team and the game and want the best team on the field, injury free. It’s not just us here that get mad when some fool makes up pathetic lies. Go tell your family you have AIDS than when they freak out for a few minutes, say “sorry, I made it up, lighten up!!!”
Markus…depends who you make mad. Some will never forgive you. Others will but will pull up what you said years ago just to keep you on point. Others are parrots just repeating what their blog heroes say. Regardless it is a savvy baseball crew and a bunch of good people. Most anyway.
Chuck James isn’t cracking that Nats roster, unless there are injuries. Isn’t Jordan Zimmerman injured?
If 100% healthy for Nats and Santana’s less than 100% I like the NATS. I just think there’s a lot of question markes in this comparison.
One of the things to like about Atlanta’s rotation is that our biggest ? is whether Hudson is a 3.30 ERA guy or a 3.80 guy these days. But either way, he was going to be way above average.
Lowe – not a ? mark except can he avoid the super-bad days. His ERA on a typical start was very acceptable.
Kawakami – basically no questions. I guess you could ask was April just MLB adaptation jitters, but that’s already pretty much proven. Rest of year no real question marks. His arm held up just fine for a 4th/5th starter role. He’s not going to be asked to pitch 220 innings so it barely matters if he can.
JJJ – Shoulder, otherwise you can bank on sub 3.50 and probably better than that.
The reason Tommy Hanson was held back was strictly due to performance. So far hat people have shown about him stat wise is his final Minor League numbers from last year. However, I seemed to remember that he was throwing a lot of pitches and not goign deep into games, so I researched his game logs from Gwinnett and found out it was true.
In Hanson’s first 6 starts at Gwinnett, he went 4.1, 5.2, 4.2, 6, 6, and 6 IP. He walked 12 batters in those 32.2 IP.
In the three starts prior to coming up to Atlanta, he pitched 21 innings and walked three.
He just wasn’t ready to perform at the level he did when he got here at the beginning of the season.
Anybody here subscribe to mlb tv and have it work on your cell phone? I had an HTC Touch Pro over the summer and was able to watch games for about a week and couldn’t access it again from my phone. Now all I here about is how you can stream on the iphone. Just wondering if anybody else had some success with a cell, as I’ve since upgraded to the Touch Pro 2, and would like to use it to watch when I’m on the road.
My bad, scoots. Rereading, I see your point. I found it unclear, and just want people to understand that two months now costs us a full year later. And that year is at $400,000, or slightly more. Not $12 million.
If dude is as good as we hope (God, or David Wright), I really hope to see a Longoria-type deal, where the threat of the two months motivates Heyward to sign long-term. If only we could know now if he’ll be that good. And that signable.
Just heard this on 680 the FAN! DOB was interviewed and says he is now OK with politics on the blog. Wishes Wayne would start up again. Says that there is not enough baseball or bbq to talk about, and Wayne would lead the new discussion….
Lew – The Braves were intentionally keeping Hanson’s pitch count and innings low to avoid the dreaded jump in workload that most rookie pitchers face. This was discussed in several articles at the time.
I’m not saying Hanson isn’t a high pitch count per inning guy, but so is the other super pitching prospect Clayton Kershaw. If you look at his record it doesn’t jump off the page at you, due to pitch counts, but Kershaw had the lowest batting average against in the majors.
To me Hanson just has that look like Roy Halladay where once he gets a managers confidence he’ll be out there wanting to throw a complete game every day, pitch counts be ****ed. We shall see, but I know that I’ve been betting on Hanson in every conversation that gets started.
Bay Area Steve – I’d sign Heyward to a Longoria type contract today.
I also believe Lincecum signed too easily. He really should have been able to easily win the arbitration panel. 2 cy youngs in his first 2 full seasons is the most evidence anybody would have ever taken to an arbitration panel.
I appreciate the research, and you, scoots, and others have forced me to consider that it was performance based. My issue with that, is that Hanson would’ve bettered Reyes. Whether he was fully ready or not, he was a better option than Reyes. He could’ve had that seasoning at the ML level, and the team would’ve been better. I don’t think a scout, or a fan, or Wren, or Cox (in a rare moment of honesty) or you? could say that Hanson wasn’t the better option, in April. And, if that’s true, why wasn’t he here, unless the service time was a consideration?
ugaaccountant-Due, go look it up. The kid threw a lot of pitches, went fewer innings and walked a lot more in his first six starts. Them’s the facts. He wasn’t ready. Whe he had three consecutive starts with only one walk and pitched two moe innigs on average per start, they brought him up.
If they want to limit a players’ innings, they do it LATER in the season and not at the start when they’re fresh. The kid’s control wasn’t there yet. That’s all there was to it.
BAS-I don’t know- Glavine maybe and the fact they still had THAT to deal with? Besides. If a kid like Hanson who you project to be a staff Ace is having control problems (and 12 walks in 32 IP is NOT heartening, IMO), they aren’t going to feed him to the wolves by throwing him into the ML mix -especially when you already have one rookie (Schafer) tanking and a team that isn’t playing worth a damn offensively.
I repeat – kid had three consecutive starts where he averaged 7IP per start and walked only one in each, they brought him up.
I agree on Lincecum. I don’t understand the two years. There seems to be nearly as much risk signing for one year or two, for a pitcher. I’d have said $12 for one, or we go to the panel. Then, any year close to his last, and he’s at $15m minimum. As an alternative, I’d have signed at $60m for four, or $75m for five, something around that, sacrificing some dollars for security. But, two years at $11.5m I don’t get.
OK, Lew, call me skeptical, but I’ll concede that was the Braves’ position.
Now, what’s your opinion. If Hanson first three starts in the minors were as good as the last three, would you have brought him up then, service time be damned? And, how were his spring numbers, could it be said he was ready, based on those? I’m gonna go look.
Call me a creeper, but RHR is the sexiest blogger alive, at least based on content, and the knowledge that she’s female. My concern (other than me being a creeper and scaring her off) is that she’s been posting less lately, and is always pimping facebook, so I’m afraid we’re gonna lose her. Hopefully, it’s just ’cause it’s the offseason, which makes sense.
But, I don’t care. If I like reading your stuff, you are hereby required, by law, to post as frequently as possible, to at least match the rantings of Mitchell, and Jeff321, and Mfin10.
jeffrey d: about your morning comment on class photos – my 6th grade son shot the bird in his class picture “because his friend dared him too”. Talk about much parental embarassment! And a re-shoot for the whole class. Of course, that happened waaaay back before they’d kick you out for the year for passing wind in class.
jeffrey d: about your morning comment on class photos – my 6th grade son shot the bird in his class picture “because his friend dared him too”. Talk about much parental embarassment! And a re-shoot for the whole class. Of course, that happened waaaay back before they’d kick you out for the year for passing wind in class.
ugaacountant-Dude, what does it really matter, anyway? I think it’s safe to say that Hanson is here to stay and if they do send Heyward down for the first several months, then that’s what they do. Can’t hurt to save some $$$$ and since the Kid’s only just turned 20, it won’t hurt him at all.
OK, now me and my friends are suddenly on a grand canyon kick. We are looking at rafting/camping/hiking trips in the grand canyon. We are looking at 6-7 days trips. Any suggestions?
Lew –
Leaving him down exactly the amount of time it took to avoid super 2 does provide Hanson a reason to not trust the Braves organization. Think about how you view every compensation decision your employers make regarding you. Then imagine if it was in the paper on a regular basis that your employers were making decisions about you based on $$$ not ability. He’s got quotes from his boss saying he’s ready. But 4 lessor pitchers seem higher in the Braves priority during April and May: JoJo, Morton, Medlen, Glavine. Again, just think how most people in a professional setting feel when they see such activity.
That’s why I am all for extending an early olive branch to Hanson and Heyward now in terms of a long term contract. Similar to what was offered McCann, Frenchy, Longoria, Braun at similar times in their careers.
DOB said something earlier about what Andruw Jones said when the Braves ditched Bob Wickman. What did A. Jones say when the Braves ditched Bob Wickman?
Also, it drives me crazy the way people immediately start deciding a pitcher was overworked anytime he has any kind of injury or soreness. I personally didn’t have a problem with the use of JJ last year. In fact, if I had any problem, it was that Bobby turned his games over to the bullpen to early on several occasions.
would you provide a link to Capitol Avenue Club, please?
And, this is how you promote a blog. Others read it, like it, tell others about it. Much better than the incessant spamming. Thanks again for stopping that.
uga accountant, if you’re going to cite reports by me, Carroll or others who actually cover the team, in regards to arrival of Medlen (your comment 5:57 p.m.), at least use some of the reports from around the time he was brought up.
Those are the more relevant ones, because “the plan” changed from spring to when Medlen was called up before Hanson, in large part because Medlen surprised everyone by being Gwinnett’s best starting pitcher in April, when everyone (me included) assumed Hanson would be. As I said earlier, the arb-clock argument could ultimately have been a decisive factor, if it had come to that. But it did not, because the Braves’ decision got a big assist from Medlen actually outpitching Hanson (if only marginally) in the first month or more of the Triple-A season.
Both were outstanding in April, but Medlen was better, especially early. Hanson really took off and began to absolutely dominate Triple-A hitters in every start after Medlen got called up. Before then, he’d not gone deep in many games and was running up high pitch counts.
Anyway, here’s my blog intro from the day Medlen was called up:
Atlanta Braves with David O’Brien
Another kid in the clubhouse
3:47 pm May 16, 2009, by David O’Brien
Resurgent, Ga. — Another rainy weekend in Atlanta. But it doesn’t feel so gloomy around here when the Braves are playing well, does it?
By the way, before I forget, did anyone note that with the arrival of Kris Medlen, Jordan Schafer will be neither the youngest looking Brave nor the only one who wears his cap with the brim flat, like it came straight out of the box?
Medlen is 23, but seriously, he looks about 17. And regardless of what he’s listed as, he’s actually about 5-feet-8, 5-9 tops (the latter figure is probably being generous).
Gotta love a kid like this. Undersized and fully of moxy. Of course, if he wasn’t blessed with a lot of talent, moxy wouldn’t be enough to get him to the majors. He throws hard, regardless of size, and has a full repertoire of pitches.
It’s going to be fun watching him make his major league debut Tuesday. When I talked to him out in the fall league in November, I didn’t think he’d be up quite this quickly. But talking to him and to others about him, it was pretty obvious he’d be up here eventually.
A good spring and a phenomenal first month in Triple-A, coupled with Jo-Jo Reyes’ continued woes, sped up the timetable. So he’s here now, even before his much taller and higher-rated friend, Tommy Hanson….
ugaaccountant-Dude, If players got POed by every single little machination by the parent club – if they got upset because they didn’t get called up right away, or sent back down, or taken out of a game before they want to come out, or use all of their options before they finally make the every day lineup, or blah, blah, blah – they’d all be wandering around in a constant state of anger, little able to do the job they are paid quite well to do (even if they play for the ML minimum).
We’re thinking about leaving on a Friday night…going out to Vegas for a few nights, then booking an 8-day grand canyon/rafting/camping trip…then visiting a buddy in Phoenix for a couple of days and then coming back on Sunday after our two weeks… Anyone have any rafting/camping tour companies they can recommend? I can recommend NARR for West Virginia….good deals and awesome time.
BAS – I’m officially creeped out. Congratulations.
I read the blog and scan the comments during the offseason, mostly y’all bore me with the will we or won’t we get ________ and imaginary lineups, and then the food talk just makes me hungry. Don’t worry…its on like donkey kong come opening day.
jeffrey – but you creeped me first so … fair game.
I love that MFIKY will live on in Tampa. Thanks for telling me, DOB. That made my day.
Not to make all the fine people I left back east feel bad, but I just returned from walking the two miles back and forth to the beach, where the weather was perfect for getting ankle high into the Pacific and wandering for a bit (scenery was okay, too, for a Tuesday afternoon ) Although I did feel a little guilty that poor CBF was at work…
February 16th, 2010
8:20 am
Jurrjens shoulder is hurting??? How in the hell could the Braves front office have NOT known about this before they traded Vazquez for a bag of balls?? Really, really poor front office work by this franchise.
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Matt, I just called the Braves FO and recommended you as their new seer. They said they would consider it since it is obvious they need one.
All Charlie needed was to be a little more aggressive with his awesome stuff instead of acting like home plate was a big scary monster. Glad he asked, though. It is a trip to find out people have more than one talent; it’s kind of like “Chicago.” Everyone I knew, myself included, reacted like “How can Catherine and Renee sing and dance? I thought they were actresses.”
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Chuck James can Potentially be Solid until the 6th again!!!
February 16th, 2010
4:58 pm
Markus
You never were and never will be a superstar in the making for a multi-billion dollar beloved baseball team. You never had a fan, nor will you ever. If you don’t care about the “stinkin’ ball team” may I ask what the hell are you doing here?? Again, kick rocks…
TennesseePaul
February 16th, 2010
5:00 pm
Who cares, people get too bent out of shape over the silliest crap anyways. Shoot–I got a bad back, bad knees and lost a good job once. Now THOSE are some things to get bent over, not a stinkin ball team.
–Markus
A man becomes preeminent, he’s expected to have enthusiasms. Enthusiasms, enthusiasms… What are mine? What draws my admiration? What is that which gives me joy? Baseball! A man
stands alone at the plate. This is the time for what? For individual achievement. There he stands alone. But in the field, what? Part of a team. Teamwork… Looks, throws, catches, hustles. Part of one big team. Bats himself the live-long day, Babe Ruth, Ty Cobb, and so on. If his team don’t field… what is he? You follow me? No one. Sunny day, the stands are full of fans. What does he have to say? I’m goin’ out there for myself. But… I get nowhere unless the team wins.
Chuck James can Potentially be Solid until the 6th again!!!
February 16th, 2010
5:00 pm
On a lighter note, Jim Rome is the man. Frank Calliendo as Jim Rome is unparalleled…
Eric In Albany N.Y.
February 16th, 2010
5:00 pm
Chuck James can Potentially be Solid until the 6th again!!!
Thanks for the reminder… i forgot hes a “NAT” he’s better than the # 2-6 on the mets staff!!!
Andy K.
February 16th, 2010
5:00 pm
Markus…okay…still your blatant lie/trolling here made no sense…take it elsewhere…like a mets blog
Markus
February 16th, 2010
5:02 pm
And I also promise you David and all the fans here that Markus makes no more bogus claims.
I still think sometimes a good fright can make people appreciate what they do have.
You shouldn’t do that, fans. But if you want to just think of something legit, like 680 The Fan, and it’ll seem more true.
Eric In Albany N.Y.
February 16th, 2010
5:04 pm
Markus: No one i know calls WFAN by its real call letters… we speak worse of the fans of the teams of the teams on it!
Rock On......
February 16th, 2010
5:05 pm
Just back from Winter Park. I was not invited to the NASTA championships in March. Skiied mostly blue with a black thrown in. It got ugly late. Fresh powder and snowing which was better than Vancouever. To top it off I had a beef brisket sandwich in the Houston airport and eastern NC que on landing. Sweet.
Hope JJ’s injury was just a freak thing but I always have questioned MLB players playing away from parent team supervision in the off-season outside this country. Hoping for the best but if JJ is shelved for any length of time the rotation will not sustain tyhis type of hit. Given we traded away Vazquez and all. I agree with Chipper it is the rotation that is the bigger question mark and I am sure that was with a healthy JJ to boot.
Markus….we have good steak joints here. I am assuming you mean something local as opposed to say Ruth’s Chris, Outback or Firebirds (which is a Colorado steakhouse based in Charlotte with no franchises in Colorado at all but one in Arizona-go figure). May I suggest The North Pole. No really, that is the name. Way out Route 6(Patterson Ave). Buckheads (name taken from Atlanta area) is very good also on Patterson@ Parham. Firebirds though is very good and sort of an upscale Outback. For what it is worth….
Andy K.
February 16th, 2010
5:06 pm
So basically it was your calling here to teach everyone a lesson, and that’s why you spammed the blog? Dude just apologize and move on…no need to try and cover it up…we don’t need a lesson on blogging do and do nots.
Bay Area Steve
February 16th, 2010
5:06 pm
scoots,
I mighta missed something in your conversation, but didn’t those two months get us an extra year of Hanson? It seems you said otherwise. The Super-Two thing is secondary to me. I much prefer the 6.7 years v. 6, with dude being in his prime, as WW pointed out. Maybe not a full year, but that is an extra year.
And, I know we’ve talked about this before (probably too much), but service time has to be a consideration for the front-office in today’s game. I’ll not argue it’s the deciding factor, though it would be for me on Hanson and Heyward, but it has to be a factor. Heyward’d have to go .400/.500/.800 in 40 spring ABs before I’d take him north. Wren and Cox’ll take less, but not much.
Eric In Albany N.Y.
February 16th, 2010
5:08 pm
WFA6 Is such a bad channel… you guys should hear them talk about how great the Mets Jets And Nets are!!! What Storied Franchises they have to talk about!
Chuck James can Potentially be Solid until the 6th again!!!
February 16th, 2010
5:09 pm
Eric in Albany N.Y.
Chuck James was solid until the 6th. I love the Batista signing they made, if he can pitch 2/3rds of the 6th, 7th when Chuckie takes the mound, Chuckie’s in store for yet another 11 win season. I said it before the Kennedy and Wang signing that they would be a very solid, scrappy squad this year if a couple things go their way. I love their offense and if Wang can bounce back with that wicked sinker they will be an 80+ win team.
Someone else mentioned, something must be wrong with Wang, something deeper because the Yankees just let him fade like he didn’t win 38 games over a 2 year span with a 3.00ish ERA. Very suspicious to me, especially with Hughes and Joba not being the sharpest tools in the shed. I could see this happening with every other team but in Yankee Land money is not an issue…
Markus
February 16th, 2010
5:10 pm
SOOOOOOOORY!!! For God’s Sake!
Lighten the f*** up people. It’s like a cult here– one person gets mad they ALL get mad.
Eric In Albany N.Y.
February 16th, 2010
5:12 pm
Chuck James can Potentially be Solid until the 6th again!!!
Poweralley on xm home plate talked to the dodger GM this AM and he said that Wang was pitching in a parking lot when he was asked to watch him throw. he said “wang had great command and he didnt hit a car”
lpad
February 16th, 2010
5:13 pm
Eric In Albany N.Y.
Isn’t Jordan Zimmerman out for the year with Tommy John?
VOR
February 16th, 2010
5:13 pm
It’s like a cult here– one person gets mad they ALL get mad.
Or it could be that your amateurish and immature cry for attention just ticked everyone off…
Eware
February 16th, 2010
5:13 pm
I feel like I need to comment about Markus’ statement that we need to worry about “real problems” and not baseball.
Man, baseball gets me away from my “real problems” – not that my life is bad. It’s just that it provides the escapism I love to have. Sometimes I like to get away from my everyday life. Watching baseball has the power to make me feel like a little kid. I want my team to win and I want my players to be healthy and play well. Don’t diss that we care about our team. This is my hobby, man. Who cares if I care too much?
Queballs
February 16th, 2010
5:13 pm
you suck at life Markus
Eric In Albany N.Y.
February 16th, 2010
5:14 pm
“Markus
February 16th, 2010
5:10 pm
SOOOOOOOORY!!! For God’s Sake!
Lighten the f*** up people. It’s like a cult here– one person gets mad they ALL get mad.”
WahHHHHHaaaaa Youre not smart enough to take us all on with any valid points!
Waahhhaahhhhahahahaaa! Your Team Sucks!
Chuck James can Potentially be Solid until the 6th again!!!
February 16th, 2010
5:14 pm
Markus
Not a cult, just mature people who take things like this seriously because we love the team and the game and want the best team on the field, injury free. It’s not just us here that get mad when some fool makes up pathetic lies. Go tell your family you have AIDS than when they freak out for a few minutes, say “sorry, I made it up, lighten up!!!”
Rock On......
February 16th, 2010
5:16 pm
Markus…depends who you make mad. Some will never forgive you. Others will but will pull up what you said years ago just to keep you on point. Others are parrots just repeating what their blog heroes say. Regardless it is a savvy baseball crew and a bunch of good people. Most anyway.
Eric In Albany N.Y.
February 16th, 2010
5:17 pm
IPAD… oh look at that youre right…
http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/08/10/jordan-zimmermann-to-undergo-tommy-john-surgery-likely-out-unti/
i guess i dont know my nats LOL dont worry they will get benson and his ex wife and also dont forget james =)
Steve C.
February 16th, 2010
5:18 pm
Markus…if it hasn’t been said before…YOUR.AND.IDIOT
ugaaccountant
February 16th, 2010
5:19 pm
Chuck James isn’t cracking that Nats roster, unless there are injuries. Isn’t Jordan Zimmerman injured?
If 100% healthy for Nats and Santana’s less than 100% I like the NATS. I just think there’s a lot of question markes in this comparison.
One of the things to like about Atlanta’s rotation is that our biggest ? is whether Hudson is a 3.30 ERA guy or a 3.80 guy these days. But either way, he was going to be way above average.
Lowe – not a ? mark except can he avoid the super-bad days. His ERA on a typical start was very acceptable.
Kawakami – basically no questions. I guess you could ask was April just MLB adaptation jitters, but that’s already pretty much proven. Rest of year no real question marks. His arm held up just fine for a 4th/5th starter role. He’s not going to be asked to pitch 220 innings so it barely matters if he can.
JJJ – Shoulder, otherwise you can bank on sub 3.50 and probably better than that.
Hanson – Bank on sub 3.50 era.
Lew
February 16th, 2010
5:19 pm
The reason Tommy Hanson was held back was strictly due to performance. So far hat people have shown about him stat wise is his final Minor League numbers from last year. However, I seemed to remember that he was throwing a lot of pitches and not goign deep into games, so I researched his game logs from Gwinnett and found out it was true.
In Hanson’s first 6 starts at Gwinnett, he went 4.1, 5.2, 4.2, 6, 6, and 6 IP. He walked 12 batters in those 32.2 IP.
In the three starts prior to coming up to Atlanta, he pitched 21 innings and walked three.
He just wasn’t ready to perform at the level he did when he got here at the beginning of the season.
Eric In Albany N.Y.
February 16th, 2010
5:19 pm
Reliable Source Said Told Me On WFA6 That Markus Has AIDS!
Oooooooh my fault i read that wrong … sorry for getting everyones hopes up!
Arkansas Transplant
February 16th, 2010
5:20 pm
Mad? Who’s mad? We just think your crazy and we’re all stocked up with crazy.
M.
February 16th, 2010
5:22 pm
how long does it take to do an mri? should we expect news later tonight or what?
Eric In Albany N.Y.
February 16th, 2010
5:22 pm
EXPLAIN TO ME HOW 13 and 9 and ending the season on the DL AND MADE 20 MILLION IS A GOOD SEASON?
AND A 15 & 10 SEASON WITH A COUPLE OF 3 BAD STARTS THAT CAUSED A HIGH ERA FOR 15 MILLION BUX IS A BAD SEASON
Queballs
February 16th, 2010
5:23 pm
Anybody here subscribe to mlb tv and have it work on your cell phone? I had an HTC Touch Pro over the summer and was able to watch games for about a week and couldn’t access it again from my phone. Now all I here about is how you can stream on the iphone. Just wondering if anybody else had some success with a cell, as I’ve since upgraded to the Touch Pro 2, and would like to use it to watch when I’m on the road.
Bay Area Steve
February 16th, 2010
5:24 pm
My bad, scoots. Rereading, I see your point. I found it unclear, and just want people to understand that two months now costs us a full year later. And that year is at $400,000, or slightly more. Not $12 million.
If dude is as good as we hope (God, or David Wright), I really hope to see a Longoria-type deal, where the threat of the two months motivates Heyward to sign long-term. If only we could know now if he’ll be that good. And that signable.
Wayne in Utah
February 16th, 2010
5:25 pm
Just heard this on 680 the FAN! DOB was interviewed and says he is now OK with politics on the blog. Wishes Wayne would start up again. Says that there is not enough baseball or bbq to talk about, and Wayne would lead the new discussion….
ugaaccountant
February 16th, 2010
5:25 pm
Lew – The Braves were intentionally keeping Hanson’s pitch count and innings low to avoid the dreaded jump in workload that most rookie pitchers face. This was discussed in several articles at the time.
I’m not saying Hanson isn’t a high pitch count per inning guy, but so is the other super pitching prospect Clayton Kershaw. If you look at his record it doesn’t jump off the page at you, due to pitch counts, but Kershaw had the lowest batting average against in the majors.
To me Hanson just has that look like Roy Halladay where once he gets a managers confidence he’ll be out there wanting to throw a complete game every day, pitch counts be ****ed. We shall see, but I know that I’ve been betting on Hanson in every conversation that gets started.
Lew
February 16th, 2010
5:26 pm
Wasn’t it RHR who came up with MFIKY?
Josh
February 16th, 2010
5:29 pm
fellas i need your advice i’ll be heading to Atlanta for the opening series this year…whats the best places to get Oysters?
ugaaccountant
February 16th, 2010
5:29 pm
Bay Area Steve – I’d sign Heyward to a Longoria type contract today.
I also believe Lincecum signed too easily. He really should have been able to easily win the arbitration panel. 2 cy youngs in his first 2 full seasons is the most evidence anybody would have ever taken to an arbitration panel.
Bay Area Steve
February 16th, 2010
5:29 pm
Lew,
I appreciate the research, and you, scoots, and others have forced me to consider that it was performance based. My issue with that, is that Hanson would’ve bettered Reyes. Whether he was fully ready or not, he was a better option than Reyes. He could’ve had that seasoning at the ML level, and the team would’ve been better. I don’t think a scout, or a fan, or Wren, or Cox (in a rare moment of honesty) or you? could say that Hanson wasn’t the better option, in April. And, if that’s true, why wasn’t he here, unless the service time was a consideration?
Lew
February 16th, 2010
5:30 pm
ugaaccountant-Due, go look it up. The kid threw a lot of pitches, went fewer innings and walked a lot more in his first six starts. Them’s the facts. He wasn’t ready. Whe he had three consecutive starts with only one walk and pitched two moe innigs on average per start, they brought him up.
If they want to limit a players’ innings, they do it LATER in the season and not at the start when they’re fresh. The kid’s control wasn’t there yet. That’s all there was to it.
Markus
February 16th, 2010
5:31 pm
Could I ask some of you wonderful fans here for some advice on how to fix a radiator or….?
jeffrey d
February 16th, 2010
5:31 pm
Didn’t want to be a creeper and post a comment on FB RHR
What?? But you’ve creeped me before
Rock On......
February 16th, 2010
5:32 pm
Hanson can go a full 9 innings anywhere but Houston. It’s in the Braves scouting manual that Bobby goes by.
jeffrey d
February 16th, 2010
5:33 pm
Wasn’t it RHR who came up with MFIKY?
And Loaf. Two terms that have become commonplace on the blog
Rock On......
February 16th, 2010
5:34 pm
Markus if you have to “fix” a radiator it is time to get a new one dude.
Lew
February 16th, 2010
5:35 pm
BAS-I don’t know- Glavine maybe and the fact they still had THAT to deal with? Besides. If a kid like Hanson who you project to be a staff Ace is having control problems (and 12 walks in 32 IP is NOT heartening, IMO), they aren’t going to feed him to the wolves by throwing him into the ML mix -especially when you already have one rookie (Schafer) tanking and a team that isn’t playing worth a damn offensively.
I repeat – kid had three consecutive starts where he averaged 7IP per start and walked only one in each, they brought him up.
jeffrey d
February 16th, 2010
5:35 pm
I see we’re still upset that Bobby pulled Hanson against Houston
Bay Area Steve
February 16th, 2010
5:35 pm
Day-time uga (shout-out to night-shift dude),
I agree on Lincecum. I don’t understand the two years. There seems to be nearly as much risk signing for one year or two, for a pitcher. I’d have said $12 for one, or we go to the panel. Then, any year close to his last, and he’s at $15m minimum. As an alternative, I’d have signed at $60m for four, or $75m for five, something around that, sacrificing some dollars for security. But, two years at $11.5m I don’t get.
Daybed Wagmoe
February 16th, 2010
5:35 pm
Markus — apology *not* accepted
joerochester
February 16th, 2010
5:36 pm
Nationals made a lot of moves this year.
18 Wheels of Love
February 16th, 2010
5:37 pm
It is like The Cult in here…DOB even posted some awesome lyrics to ‘Rain’ the other day.
Wayne in Utah
February 16th, 2010
5:38 pm
RHR is definitely a genious!
Bay Area Steve
February 16th, 2010
5:39 pm
OK, Lew, call me skeptical, but I’ll concede that was the Braves’ position.
Now, what’s your opinion. If Hanson first three starts in the minors were as good as the last three, would you have brought him up then, service time be damned? And, how were his spring numbers, could it be said he was ready, based on those? I’m gonna go look.
Bay Area Steve
February 16th, 2010
5:43 pm
Call me a creeper, but RHR is the sexiest blogger alive, at least based on content, and the knowledge that she’s female. My concern (other than me being a creeper and scaring her off) is that she’s been posting less lately, and is always pimping facebook, so I’m afraid we’re gonna lose her. Hopefully, it’s just ’cause it’s the offseason, which makes sense.
But, I don’t care. If I like reading your stuff, you are hereby required, by law, to post as frequently as possible, to at least match the rantings of Mitchell, and Jeff321, and Mfin10.
Lew
February 16th, 2010
5:49 pm
BAS-Hey, far be it from me to accept the benefits of unintended consequences (the Super Two thing), but he was a tad wild early in the year.
Besides, anything I say can be fully substantiated by my own opinion.
Choppinmama
February 16th, 2010
5:50 pm
jeffrey d: about your morning comment on class photos – my 6th grade son shot the bird in his class picture “because his friend dared him too”. Talk about much parental embarassment! And a re-shoot for the whole class. Of course, that happened waaaay back before they’d kick you out for the year for passing wind in class.
But – he’ll NEVER live that down.
Choppinmama
February 16th, 2010
5:51 pm
jeffrey d: about your morning comment on class photos – my 6th grade son shot the bird in his class picture “because his friend dared him too”. Talk about much parental embarassment! And a re-shoot for the whole class. Of course, that happened waaaay back before they’d kick you out for the year for passing wind in class.
But – he’ll NEVER live that down.
ugaaccountant
February 16th, 2010
5:57 pm
I spent 30 minutes looking it up for you Lew. I only have one source that says clearly that it was a plan, but it is not a direct quote:
http://www.talkingchop.com/2009/8/18/993613/atlanta-braves-pitcher-tommy?ref=yahoo
I really hoped to find a quote from Bobby, which I remember but I’m not going to spend all day looking for a quote.
Here are some quotes regarding who was and wasn’t ready to pitch in the majors:
Here’s Cox saying in March than Hanson and JoJo are ready for the majors, with not a mention of Medlen.
http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-braves-blog/2009/03/26/hanson-heyward-sent-to-minors/
Here’s DOB talking about the decision on 4/14 between JoJo, Morton and Hanson is again based on arbitration clock. Again no mention of Medlen.
http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-braves-blog/2009/04/14/braves-go-fishing/
ugaaccountant
February 16th, 2010
5:59 pm
I spent 30 minutes looking it up for you Lew. I only have one source that says clearly that it was a plan, but it is not a direct quote:
http://www.talkingchop.com/2009/8/18/993613/atlanta-braves-pitcher-tommy?ref=yahoo
I really hoped to find a quote from Bobby, which I remember but I’m not going to spend all day looking for a quote.
ugaaccountant
February 16th, 2010
6:00 pm
Here’s Cox saying in March than Hanson and JoJo are ready for the majors, with not a mention of Medlen.
http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-braves-blog/2009/03/26/hanson-heyward-sent-to-minors/e
ugaaccountant
February 16th, 2010
6:00 pm
Here’s DOB talking about the decision on 4/14 between JoJo, Morton and Hanson is again based on arbitration clock. Again no mention of Medlen.
http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-braves-blog/2009/04/14/braves-go-fishing/
CB
February 16th, 2010
6:05 pm
uga,the 4/14 is Carroll Rogers.
Choppinmama
February 16th, 2010
6:06 pm
RHR: don’t forget to use that sarcasm font when needed!
Lew
February 16th, 2010
6:08 pm
ugaacountant-Dude, what does it really matter, anyway? I think it’s safe to say that Hanson is here to stay and if they do send Heyward down for the first several months, then that’s what they do. Can’t hurt to save some $$$$ and since the Kid’s only just turned 20, it won’t hurt him at all.
Heath
February 16th, 2010
6:08 pm
All -
OK, now me and my friends are suddenly on a grand canyon kick. We are looking at rafting/camping/hiking trips in the grand canyon. We are looking at 6-7 days trips. Any suggestions?
northbeach Scott
February 16th, 2010
6:10 pm
Captain Insano shows no mercy.
Steve from OH
February 16th, 2010
6:16 pm
PWH,I enjoy reading your Capitol Avenue Club- you do an excellent job
He does. It’s an excellent blog.
ugaaccountant
February 16th, 2010
6:17 pm
Lew –
Leaving him down exactly the amount of time it took to avoid super 2 does provide Hanson a reason to not trust the Braves organization. Think about how you view every compensation decision your employers make regarding you. Then imagine if it was in the paper on a regular basis that your employers were making decisions about you based on $$$ not ability. He’s got quotes from his boss saying he’s ready. But 4 lessor pitchers seem higher in the Braves priority during April and May: JoJo, Morton, Medlen, Glavine. Again, just think how most people in a professional setting feel when they see such activity.
That’s why I am all for extending an early olive branch to Hanson and Heyward now in terms of a long term contract. Similar to what was offered McCann, Frenchy, Longoria, Braun at similar times in their careers.
ugaaccountant
February 16th, 2010
6:18 pm
Actually Lew, I think I recall you are retired. But still you get the point.
Sgt. Pepper
February 16th, 2010
6:19 pm
DOB said something earlier about what Andruw Jones said when the Braves ditched Bob Wickman. What did A. Jones say when the Braves ditched Bob Wickman?
Also, it drives me crazy the way people immediately start deciding a pitcher was overworked anytime he has any kind of injury or soreness. I personally didn’t have a problem with the use of JJ last year. In fact, if I had any problem, it was that Bobby turned his games over to the bullpen to early on several occasions.
Bay Area Steve
February 16th, 2010
6:23 pm
pwh (others),
would you provide a link to Capitol Avenue Club, please?
And, this is how you promote a blog. Others read it, like it, tell others about it. Much better than the incessant spamming. Thanks again for stopping that.
David O'Brien
February 16th, 2010
6:25 pm
uga accountant, if you’re going to cite reports by me, Carroll or others who actually cover the team, in regards to arrival of Medlen (your comment 5:57 p.m.), at least use some of the reports from around the time he was brought up.
Those are the more relevant ones, because “the plan” changed from spring to when Medlen was called up before Hanson, in large part because Medlen surprised everyone by being Gwinnett’s best starting pitcher in April, when everyone (me included) assumed Hanson would be. As I said earlier, the arb-clock argument could ultimately have been a decisive factor, if it had come to that. But it did not, because the Braves’ decision got a big assist from Medlen actually outpitching Hanson (if only marginally) in the first month or more of the Triple-A season.
Both were outstanding in April, but Medlen was better, especially early. Hanson really took off and began to absolutely dominate Triple-A hitters in every start after Medlen got called up. Before then, he’d not gone deep in many games and was running up high pitch counts.
Anyway, here’s my blog intro from the day Medlen was called up:
Atlanta Braves with David O’Brien
Another kid in the clubhouse
3:47 pm May 16, 2009, by David O’Brien
Resurgent, Ga. — Another rainy weekend in Atlanta. But it doesn’t feel so gloomy around here when the Braves are playing well, does it?
By the way, before I forget, did anyone note that with the arrival of Kris Medlen, Jordan Schafer will be neither the youngest looking Brave nor the only one who wears his cap with the brim flat, like it came straight out of the box?
Medlen is 23, but seriously, he looks about 17. And regardless of what he’s listed as, he’s actually about 5-feet-8, 5-9 tops (the latter figure is probably being generous).
Gotta love a kid like this. Undersized and fully of moxy. Of course, if he wasn’t blessed with a lot of talent, moxy wouldn’t be enough to get him to the majors. He throws hard, regardless of size, and has a full repertoire of pitches.
It’s going to be fun watching him make his major league debut Tuesday. When I talked to him out in the fall league in November, I didn’t think he’d be up quite this quickly. But talking to him and to others about him, it was pretty obvious he’d be up here eventually.
A good spring and a phenomenal first month in Triple-A, coupled with Jo-Jo Reyes’ continued woes, sped up the timetable. So he’s here now, even before his much taller and higher-rated friend, Tommy Hanson….
Loogy
February 16th, 2010
6:30 pm
what does mfiky mean?
BigBadBrave
February 16th, 2010
6:33 pm
4hours 30 minutes ago DOB you said we would have a quick answer on JJ’s MRI results, what happened?
jeffrey d
February 16th, 2010
6:37 pm
what does mfiky mean?
Loogy – It was a term to describe Rafael Soriano’s death scowl. It stands for “Mother f***** I KILL you!”
Andrew in PA
February 16th, 2010
6:38 pm
tomorrow could mean quick too you know
Frankie Knuckles
February 16th, 2010
6:45 pm
DOB,
You think the Braves will release JJ’s prognosis tonight? Whats your “feel” on that? I would think early news would be good news.
jeffrey d
February 16th, 2010
6:47 pm
Quick what?
Lew
February 16th, 2010
6:49 pm
ugaaccountant-Dude, If players got POed by every single little machination by the parent club – if they got upset because they didn’t get called up right away, or sent back down, or taken out of a game before they want to come out, or use all of their options before they finally make the every day lineup, or blah, blah, blah – they’d all be wandering around in a constant state of anger, little able to do the job they are paid quite well to do (even if they play for the ML minimum).
Heath
February 16th, 2010
6:51 pm
We’re thinking about leaving on a Friday night…going out to Vegas for a few nights, then booking an 8-day grand canyon/rafting/camping trip…then visiting a buddy in Phoenix for a couple of days and then coming back on Sunday after our two weeks… Anyone have any rafting/camping tour companies they can recommend? I can recommend NARR for West Virginia….good deals and awesome time.
Roman Gal
February 16th, 2010
6:51 pm
I think some of y’all should think about giving up being a creeper for Lent.
jeffrey d
February 16th, 2010
6:55 pm
I think you should give up defending Schafer for Lent
Andrew in PA
February 16th, 2010
6:55 pm
JJ isnt even getting the MRI until tomorrow,so how could we know tonight
RHR
February 16th, 2010
6:55 pm
BAS – I’m officially creeped out. Congratulations.
I read the blog and scan the comments during the offseason, mostly y’all bore me with the will we or won’t we get ________ and imaginary lineups, and then the food talk just makes me hungry. Don’t worry…its on like donkey kong come opening day.
jeffrey – but you creeped me first so … fair game.
I love that MFIKY will live on in Tampa. Thanks for telling me, DOB. That made my day.
David O'Brien
February 16th, 2010
6:57 pm
Speaking of Charlie Morton, check out his singing and guitar strumming in this link:
http://bucsbits.mlblogs.com/archives/2010/02/all_i_need_for_mlbmp3.html
JUST SAYIN'
February 16th, 2010
6:57 pm
Markus, I think many of us know why you got fired once.
Venice Jim
February 16th, 2010
6:59 pm
Not to make all the fine people I left back east feel bad, but I just returned from walking the two miles back and forth to the beach, where the weather was perfect for getting ankle high into the Pacific and wandering for a bit (scenery was okay, too, for a Tuesday afternoon
) Although I did feel a little guilty that poor CBF was at work…
nolie
February 16th, 2010
7:01 pm
Not me, I’ll always be a creep…er
Roman Gal
February 16th, 2010
7:01 pm
I think you should give up defending Schafer for Lent
I don’t consider defending Schafer a vice. In fact, I consider it a virtue.
JUST SAYIN'
February 16th, 2010
7:02 pm
Matt
February 16th, 2010
8:20 am
Jurrjens shoulder is hurting??? How in the hell could the Braves front office have NOT known about this before they traded Vazquez for a bag of balls?? Really, really poor front office work by this franchise.
—————
Matt, I just called the Braves FO and recommended you as their new seer. They said they would consider it since it is obvious they need one.
jeffrey d
February 16th, 2010
7:02 pm
RHR – really? And I didn’t say that I don’t like it.
Frankie Knuckles
February 16th, 2010
7:03 pm
Andrew – just saw the ESPN report
jeffrey d
February 16th, 2010
7:03 pm
I hope that when Garret signs “Loaf” will catch on wherever he is.
But that’s if he signs. He’s probably got about 10 offers in his mailbox but hasn’t gotten around to checking it.
Roman Gal
February 16th, 2010
7:04 pm
Not to make all the fine people I left back east feel bad… –VJ
That’s ok, once baseball season starts and we’re all going to tons of Braves games, we’ll try to not make y’all out there on the west coast feel bad.
jeffrey d
February 16th, 2010
7:05 pm
I don’t consider defending Schafer a vice. In fact, I consider it a virtue.
It is. We’re immature for making fun of his gigantic ears. You’re noble for defending him.
David O'Brien
February 16th, 2010
7:05 pm
BigBadBrave: “What happened?” You’re not real familiar with how these things go, I guess.
Heath
February 16th, 2010
7:07 pm
VJ -
Big games for you and me as fans tonight.
Venice Jim
February 16th, 2010
7:08 pm
RG – despite living in Atlanta last year, I still saw more games in Los Angeles than I did there…
northbeach Scott
February 16th, 2010
7:08 pm
I am giving up detting banned from the blog for Lent. I will try to be good until Easter.
Venice Jim
February 16th, 2010
7:08 pm
Heath – I just hope my live stats does a better job tonight…
The Grinch
February 16th, 2010
7:16 pm
All Charlie needed was to be a little more aggressive with his awesome stuff instead of acting like home plate was a big scary monster. Glad he asked, though. It is a trip to find out people have more than one talent; it’s kind of like “Chicago.” Everyone I knew, myself included, reacted like “How can Catherine and Renee sing and dance? I thought they were actresses.”
Rob from SC
February 16th, 2010
7:17 pm
Frankie Knuckles
February 16th, 2010
7:03 pm
Andrew – just saw the ESPN report
what report