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TommyP

February 14th, 2010
6:14 am

Most ridiculous holiday of the year….what’s cool is the woman agrees. What’s funny is she said, “Of course, this is the one time this Winter that many men will get some so I guess it’s a great day for them. Valentine’s Day. A day where many will show their significant other they care about him or her. So the other 364 days must really suck.”

C’mon, Damon. Sign that one year deal with Atlanta. I don’t believe Detroit offered him a 2 year pact. Just Boras being Boras. Braves would get more pub on ESPN with Damon.

The Grinch

February 14th, 2010
7:05 am

David, I believe we would shoot it first, THEN put BBQ sauce on it. Otherwise, it’s pretty accurate.

The Grinch

February 14th, 2010
7:10 am

Also, Valentine’s Day is the only time of winter when most guys get laid? Really? That’s depressing. I’ve never found life to be a Charlie Brown special; guess I’m just odd.

Braveheart

February 14th, 2010
7:20 am

“It’s very frustrating when a player with his talent wasn’t offered a starting job by any of the 30 major league teams,” Boras said of Felipe Lopez. Boras said he was given reasons by teams why they didn’t offer Lopez a starting job, but he declined to mention them. “Once I get the information, I’m going to confront the player,” Boras said. Boras said Lopez was unhappy with the reasons and it was then when he decided to fire him as an agent. Boras said he wished Lopez well.

Braveheart

February 14th, 2010
7:24 am

Los Angeles Angels first baseman Kendry Morales has fired agents Alan and Randy Hendricks and signed with Scott Boras, the agent confirmed to ESPN The Magazine. “Essentially, we had gotten a call from Kendry about a month ago and said he was interested in interviewing representation and he asked if we wanted to be one of the people he looked at,” Boras said. “We had a meeting with Kendry and his wife and yesterday he informed us of his decision.” Last season, Morales — who finished fifth in the American League MVP voting — hit .306 with 34 home runs and 108 RBIs for the division-winning Angels. Morales, who is scheduled to earn $700,000 this year as part of a six-year $4.5 million deal he signed with the Angels in 2005, will be arbitration eligible for the first time after the 2010 season. Boras said he would be open to discussing a long-term deal for Morales with the Angels. “I think obviously we’re certainly going to come to Kendry with any interest that [Angels GM] Tony [Reagins] or the Angels have in advancing the contractual relationship,” Boras said.

Braveheart

February 14th, 2010
7:29 am

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/nlnotes.htm?csp=34

RHP Jair Jurrjens has always been smart and mature, and those tendencies were bolstered last season by RHP Javier Vazquez, whose instructions on varying velocity were invaluable. “He’s one of those special guys,” manager Bobby Cox said of Jurrjens. “He can sit on 92 the whole ball game until the seventh, then all of a sudden there’s a 96 up there on the strikeout.”

Couch Tater

February 14th, 2010
7:35 am

Back in Haggard’s bus after the show, sipping George Dickel whiskey out of paper cups, Kristofferson and Haggard celebrated. “For me, it was like being onstage with Hank Williams,” Kristofferson said. San Francisco Chronicle

I was actually going to make a smartazz remark about John Caliparri so, I searched “Memphis.” Well, as we’ve all done, I got on one of those world-wide web tangents. I noticed just southwest of Memphis at one dem Bret Maverick establishments, in Mississippi, there was going to be a concert on 2/20. The only time in the southeast that I could find the Merle & Kris concert.

So, lexbrave thanks for being a UK fan.

http://merlehaggard.com/tour-dates/

Braveheart

February 14th, 2010
8:04 am

Murray Chass on Bobby:

http://www.murraychass.com/?p=1551

A GOOD MAN, THE BEST, PREPARES TO LEAVE – “I’m 99.9 percent sure; I’m pretty set on it,” Cox said of his decision to retire at the end of the season. Why now? “I’ll be 69 in May,” he said in a telephone interview. “It’s a hard decision. I could probably go another five years, but I reached the point where I had to make a decision. The only way to do it is to announce publicly that I’m retiring. We haven’t won in a few years. Maybe it’s time to give someone else a chance.”

I have a couple of things to say about that. First, if I had talked with Cox before he made his announcement, I would have encouraged him to continue managing. Baseball is a better game for having Bobby Cox as an active part of it. It’s certainly better for the people like me who write about the game. But having Cox as part of the game is good for the game itself. And the Braves don’t need to give someone else a chance right now. Their failure to finish in first place the last four years after an unparalleled string of 14 consecutive division titles stems from no shortcomings of Cox. The Braves seriously undermined their chances of winning by paring their payroll and their talent. Cox remains blameless within the Braves’ organization even though some Atlanta fans have criticized him for winning only one World Series in the team’s 14-year run. (I have often said that if the Braves had had Mariano Rivera as their closer they would have won a few more World Series and the Yankees a few less.) “If the ball had bounced our way, we probably would have won some others,” Cox said, “but I’m proud of the organization for what it did. This is my last year. I’d like to go out with my last game being in the World Series.”

As the Braves’ general manager for 17 years, John Schuerholz never had to fire the manager, and he never thought less of him for not winning more than one World Series. “Most of his decisions were based on reliability and respect,” Schuerholz said. “He respects the guy for being able to compete in that situation. The players who came up short in post-season were the guys he relied on and succeeded with throughout the year and he had the most confidence in. In his decision-making he always made decisions based on whom he thought would give us the best chance to win. I never had a circumstance where I said I wonder about that.”

Schuerholz actually replaced Cox as general manager when the Braves hired him in October 1990. He and Cox have been one of the great baseball duos, maybe the greatest, of all time. But it doesn’t take Schuerholz to call Cox the best manager in baseball. Other general managers have called him that. “I wouldn’t quarrel with anyone who says he’s the best manager in baseball,” Schuerholz said. “One of the real assets we’ve enjoyed as an organization is we’ve had many good players. He and I worked in partnership with the accumulation of players who can help us win.”

thickfreakness

February 14th, 2010
8:26 am

Braveheart-
Thank you again for sharing.

CB

February 14th, 2010
8:26 am

Braveheart, I hope Robert and Don read that article on Cox,but I am afraid they see with blind eyes.

richbrave

February 14th, 2010
8:36 am

We now have an ALABAMA BBQ houser in town. Unfortunately it over town and a thirty minute drive away. But I’ll check it out at least once. Anybody here want an idea for an eastern Va./N.C. house. with a baseball theme. Call it VINEGAR BEND N.C. for “Vinegar Bend” MIZELL and eastern style N.C. BBQ.

Braveheart

February 14th, 2010
8:53 am

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/2010/02/13/2010-02-13_spring_hot_spots.html

Not sure which has been the bigger snow job – the one that has buried New York and the mid-Atlantic region or Scott (Avenging Agent) Boras’ latest spin on Johnny Damon’s colossally botched winter in which he now supposedly can’t make up his mind between the Tigers’ two-year, $14 million offer or their one-year, $7 million offer. Duh? Methinks Tigers owner Mike Ilitch did Boras a huge favor, allowing him to save face, by putting out the word that he had approved a two-year offer for Damon, even though his general manager, Dave Dombrowski, had made it clear there was no way he could justify doing that after trading Curtis Granderson.

In any case, the rest of baseball is getting out of the snow and cold this week and heading off to spring training. Here are some “hot spots” in Florida and Arizona that bear particular scrutiny this spring:

Lake Buena Vista, Fla.: Bobby Cox’s last spring as manager of the Atlanta Braves will not include Damon, but will feature another outfielder being billed as the most exciting position prospect in baseball, 20-year-old Jason Heyward. The 6-4, 220-pound Heyward, described as a “lefthanded Dave Winfield” because of his fluid swing, outfield ability and baserunning skill, hit his way from Single-A to Triple-A last year, and Cox has vowed to give him every opportunity to make the team. If his time has not come, it is close. Meanwhile, Cox’s other focus will be on 37-year-old Chipper Jones, from whom the Braves desperately need a comeback season. Jones had 18 homers and 71 RBI in ‘09, both career lows.

thickfreakness

February 14th, 2010
8:56 am

Braveheart-

Any thoughts on why people are certain Damon will not sign with Braves.

Steve from OH

February 14th, 2010
9:39 am

Anyone see that the Vatican released a top 10 albums list? DOB, what do you think about this?

In no particular order:

Michael Jackson: Thriller
Beatles: Revolver
Pink Floyd: Dark Side of the Moon
Carlos Santana: Supernatural
David Crosby: If I could only Remember My Name
Fleetwood Mac: Rumors
Donald Fagen: Nightfly
U2: Achtung Baby
Oasis: (What’s the Story) Morning Glory
Paul Simon: Graceland

Lew

February 14th, 2010
9:42 am

Can’t see the Vatican getting into Oasis and would try to get Crosby into Confession before putting him on their list.

Braveheart

February 14th, 2010
9:47 am

thickfreakness, I dunno. I guess they’re figuring the Tigers do have a better offer out there than the Braves, even if it isn’t the two year deal Boras got Illitch to pretend existed and that no matter how many games Boras plays, the Braves are not gonna budge much from what they’ve already offered, with the Braves being interested enough to get a bargain at $4 or $5 million, but not interested enough to go above that. The Braves in making that offer were more interested in exploiting an undervalued asset than they were interested in Damon himself.

It’s like seeing a $1000 fifty inch television on sale for about $500. You don’t really have a need for it, don’t really have the money for it, aren’t quite sure where in the house you’re gonna put it, but you figure what the hell, when am I gonna find one that cheap again, and it would be pretty cool to have it, and it will likely come in good use, and will be entertaining for my friends and family to watch, so I’ll put $250 on it today, and $250 on it a year from now. But then the store jacks the price back up to $700, and you’re like, nah, wasn’t that interested in the television in the first place. This is even more so when you hear that you may have to finance the $1000 television for two years, and with interest, the price you end up paying is $1400. So you just tell the store $250 today, $250 a year from now, if that’s cool with you, we got a deal, if not, oh well, good luck, I really don’t care either way.

Braveheart

February 14th, 2010
9:58 am

Since “loyalty” is so often a topic on here, here’s one last link and snip from Doug Glanville’s article:

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/02/12/mad-hatters/

When it was first announced that newly elected Hall of Famer Andre Dawson would be enshrined wearing a Montreal Expos hat instead of the more familiar and historical Chicago Cubs hat, a lot of people asked questions, and it wasn’t just Cubs fans. “The Hawk” had a few of his own. So why the hesitation on Hawk’s part? Let me take a crack at it. Players’ emotions at the end of their careers can get complicated, especially if things don’t end as they would have liked. Tom Glavine’s story is typical; after 16 years with the Braves and then five with the Mets, the future Hall of Famer returned to Atlanta in 2008. An injury sidelined him in 2009 and upon his return, despite having shown improved health, he was given his walking papers by the Braves. That can leave a bad taste and make a player contemplate going up to Cooperstown wearing his first Little League hat or a favorite John Deere cap, just to make a statement.

Another factor is loyalty — a word that gets thrown around a lot in baseball. Players use it often in the context of how they are treated by their organization. When I fought and scrapped my way through the minor leagues, shaking off doubts, biases, labels and curveballs, I was sure the Cubs would say, “Wow, this guy stuck with it, he embodies Cubs baseball, we will make sure he will be with us forever.” But that was the thinking of a naïve ballplayer who believed that he could play forever in the same city. I wasn’t wearing my Business 101 hat. So, when I was traded in the middle of the night by the Cubs, I felt disowned, shunned, misunderstood. It didn’t matter that where I was going was a better place for my career. It didn’t matter that I was going to my favorite team from childhood, or that I would be driving distance from my family. At least it didn’t matter at that moment. What mattered was that I’d lost faith in the possibility of loyalty in baseball. The game was no longer the game I had in my mind as a young fan.

As in any other relationship, the moment you realize the game’s nature is transient, you can get defensive. It can turn into “I will break up with you before you break up with me,” propelling players to leave during free agency before even knowing for sure whether the team they’re with might be preparing them to be a pillar of the organization. And you learn by watching: How are your teammates treated when they come back from an injury? How does the team deal with a player who took a short leave to deal with a personal issue? How do they handle a player who just hit 25 points below his career batting average?

No matter how irrational or un-businesslike it may seem, players expect loyalty. At least my generation did; we watched the game in the ‘80s, an era where your favorite players didn’t go very far from the team you loved. And when, as a player, you got loyalty, it was special. I am older now, and I understand that loyalty is a two-way street. You may want to wear the same hat forever, but then the team can rip it off your head anyway.

Even so — as Hawk now knows — there are places that are special to you, that you look back at with fondness. And naturally, if you’re receiving the sport’s highest honor, you find that you want that place to be recognized. But whether Hawk wore a Cubs hat, Expos hat, Red Sox hat or Marlins hat, it didn’t change who he was: a champion, a survivor — heart, soul and history. So it doesn’t really matter, Hawk: put on that Expos hat and give Montreal some love. The hat doesn’t matter — it’s your shoes that no one will be able to fill.

TI

February 14th, 2010
10:22 am

Hey guys,

I’m taking my first trip to Lake Buena Vista in early March to see the Braves vs. Astros at both Champions Field and Osceola County Stadium.

Do any of you have any advice on getting player autographs, as far as when and where the best time and place to get them are? Thanks in advance for any advice!

Lew

February 14th, 2010
10:28 am

TI – Check my 5:37 post from yesterday on page 9.

Chopdawg

February 14th, 2010
10:29 am

Methinks the best chance for autographs is a couple hours before gametime, in the stadium; get your ticket early & come down close to the field, near the dugout, Some of the players usually sign as they’re getting on & off the field during pre-game workouts.

Also there’s a practice field, behind the main stadium (Cracker Jack Stadium?…or did they change the name?) Sometimes there might be a player or two working out on that field, maybe working on some particular part of his game; & when the player leaves that field on their way back into the main stadium there’s a fence he’ll pass by, between the ballfields, you might get an autograph there.

I saw Francoeur working out on that field, a couple years ago, & he stopped & signed on his way back into the stadium, before that day’s ST game.

dogsbrekky

February 14th, 2010
10:41 am

Donald Fagen sucks……… no actually, he sucks…….. HUGE TIME
at least they had Oasis on the list, I am sure Noel Gallagher is a big POPE fan !

thickfreakness

February 14th, 2010
10:51 am

Braveheart-

Really enjoyed the 9:47 analogy. Sounds very appropriate in this case.

thickfreakness

February 14th, 2010
11:02 am

Braveheart-

My thinking is the Braves really need a high OBP guy at the top of the order. Hopefully McLouth will fill the bill and there is no reason to think he can’t. I’ll acquiesce to nolie and go with the limited opportunities McLouth has had in this spot.

richbrave

February 14th, 2010
11:03 am

Ho-hum. No DAMON news yet? When do catchers and pitchers report?

thickfreakness

February 14th, 2010
11:07 am

richbrave-

IMO and probably most are tired of reading it, we got 5 good outfielders with various skills that help our team on the 40 man roster.

Lew

February 14th, 2010
11:07 am

richbrave-Hopefully after Damon is signed this week?

thickfreakness

February 14th, 2010
11:09 am

Maybe ST determines if we carry Melky or Schafer. I know, I know, Melkey has no options and makes 3 mil.

Lew

February 14th, 2010
11:10 am

tf-after Nate’s performance at the Ted last year, there’s also nothing much to prove he can, either. Hopefully, since he didn’t fair very well last year, he almost would have to be better, though I’ve learned over the years to never ask what can happen next and never claim it can’t get any worse. Fate, it seems, has a morbid sense of humor.

joerochester

February 14th, 2010
11:11 am

Pitchers and catchers report tomorrow, right?

thickfreakness

February 14th, 2010
11:11 am

Lew-

I can’t get off the roller coaster.

thickfreakness

February 14th, 2010
11:13 am

Lew-

I kind of went after Nate at leadoff and kind of got blasted here.

JUST SAYIN'

February 14th, 2010
11:17 am

I believe pitchers and catchers report the 19th.

bravefaninok

February 14th, 2010
11:21 am

5 0 44

That is when Pitchers & Catchers Report

bravefaninok

February 14th, 2010
11:22 am

joerochester

February 14th, 2010
11:35 am

My bad. I just knew it was sometime this week. Figured it would start on a Monday.

Lew

February 14th, 2010
11:45 am

joerochester-No. They report Friday and the first workout is Saturday. The first whole team workout is Monday the 22nd – do believe.

Lew

February 14th, 2010
11:48 am

tf-I’ve been blasted Nate so far this winter, much to the chagrin of DAP, who feels he’s what was glimpsed in Pittsburgh. I would rather wait until I see him actually put those type of numbers in Atlanta, too. He didn’t and was extremely disappointing, offensively and defensively.

However, I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt and hope that his legs have healed and the contacts help his vision. We’ll see.

I think someone posted the exact numbers yesterday, but he is not a good leadoff hitter if those numbers were correct.

thickfreakness

February 14th, 2010
11:56 am

Lew-

Yeah, I posted them as well to make an argument agianst him as a leadoff hitter. I think we are pretty good offensively with him leading off, but I think we could be very good with a proven OBP guy, say in the neighborhood of .375 – .390 Schafer did post a .415 OBP in April 2009.

joerochester

February 14th, 2010
12:01 pm

I’d rather see Nate down further in the order.

thickfreakness

February 14th, 2010
12:01 pm

With Glauss between Chipper and McCann, this spot could be huge and make all 3 really dangerous. Then go Escobar, Heyward, Diaz – not an easy out in the lineup. Of course that leaves McLouth as the odd man out if Schafer gets on at a .390 clip. How about a McLouth/Diaz platoon?

Couch Tater

February 14th, 2010
12:02 pm

I thought this was an interesting Harris survey with nice historical and demographic data…

As the season for one sport ends, another begins, but there will be some disappointed fans going through football withdrawal next week. Of those who follow one or more sport, over one-third (35%) say professional football is their favorite — an increase of 4 percentage points over last year. 2/1/10

http://news.harrisinteractive.com/profiles/investor/ResLibraryView.asp?ResLibraryID=35878&GoTopage=1&Category=1777&BzID=1963&t=30

Soph

February 14th, 2010
12:12 pm

No, just some people can’t stop their obsession with college basketball around here.

Well, our bad. What would you like to discuss today? :roll:

Lew

February 14th, 2010
12:14 pm

tf-Should Schafer be judged ready (as well as Heyward), we will wave goodbye to either Melky or McLouth, I would imagine. I’d keep Matty as a Pinch Hitter.

thickfreakness

February 14th, 2010
12:15 pm

Soph-

Probably not as bad as me obsessing over our outfielders. Gotta stop beating that horse, but well with the Damon obsession yadda, yadda

Lew

February 14th, 2010
12:18 pm

I don’t really care what we discuss, but I won’t (and don’t) comment on College Hoops. Just not my sport. My wife does the brackets for March Madness. I couldn’t care less.

thickfreakness

February 14th, 2010
12:18 pm

Lew-

I wouldn’t even consider trading Diaz, he’s too good hitting lefties and plays solid defense. He’ll start against every left handed pitcher the Braves face this year. I bet he ends up with 350 – 400 PA’s.

joerochester

February 14th, 2010
12:19 pm

McLouth will most likely be bought out in his option year. Then Schafer should be taking over full time (hopefully).

joerochester

February 14th, 2010
12:20 pm

I know jack about college hoops.

joerochester

February 14th, 2010
12:21 pm

Anyone see “Up in the Air” yet? It was a great movie. Clooney was excellent.

David O'Brien

February 14th, 2010
12:25 pm

I think someone posted the exact numbers yesterday, but he is not a good leadoff hitter if those numbers were correct. — Lew

The numbers posted were for McLouth specifically leading off a game and an inning, not his overall numbers hitting in the leadoff spot in the lineup.

McLouth’s overall career numbers from the leadoff spot in the lineup aren’t nearly as bad: .260 with a .345 OBP and .458 slugging percentage, including .266/.358/.481 over the past three seasons.

Damon’s career numbers from the leadoff spot are .289/.355/.439, including .288/.364/.439 over the past three seasons.

Mike Mike Bo

February 14th, 2010
12:26 pm

joerochester — I saw Up In The Air right before Christmas… I personally don’t get what all the hypes about. Granted it was an entertaining movie… but all the Oscar buzz… not sure where that’s coming from.

joerochester

February 14th, 2010
12:30 pm

Mike Mike

Clooney and Anna Kendrick were great. I thought Clooney’s really seemed to develop the character.

A-Ville Ranger

February 14th, 2010
12:30 pm

A question for DOB, I just watched some Youtube video of Jason Heyward.From what I saw he looks to have something in common with McCann.It looks like he is a natural right/center gap hitter.If so, I expect lots of doubles like we get from Brian.

On a related subject.I watched heyward’s last at bat from last season.No way he needed to gain weight.If he really has put on 25lb since then.I don’t see how that is a good thing long term.

The Grinch

February 14th, 2010
12:32 pm

Those numbers surprise me. Not the .260, but the OPS. My eyes told me he was mediocre and uncomfortable; he seemed like he was pressing. He looked a lot more comfortable and effective lower in the order. He must have lit it up in the games I missed.

David O'Brien

February 14th, 2010
12:33 pm

Mike Mike Bo: I could not disagree more with you on Up In The Air. I walked out of that theatre feeling as if I’d seen something poignant, something special that really struck a tone with where we are as a nation right now (the economic aspect), on top of being a well-written story with a superb cast. As someone who travels a lot, it hit even closer to home. Not that I thought being a frequent flyer was at all essential to viewing it as one of the best movies of the year, or even one of the best in recent years. It clearly was, to me.

Maybe there are people who feel differently about it just because their lives have absolutely nothing in common with the subject of the movie, or the lifestyles of the characters portrayed. But in the end, it’s just a great story about people.

Carney Johnson

February 14th, 2010
12:34 pm

“Most ridiculous holiday of the year….what’s cool is the woman agrees. What’s funny is she said, “Of course, this is the one time this Winter that many men will get some so I guess it’s a great day for them. Valentine’s Day.” 6:14 am

Really? The “one time this winter men will get some” is valentine’s day? She said that?! The sad thing is that, for the most part, she’s right. And women wonder why men are “afraid to commit”? Wonder why Oprah never does a show on all these women who marry men and then expect them to be happy with sex 4 times a year?

Mike Mike Bo

February 14th, 2010
12:34 pm

Clooney was hilarious, and Kendrick was perfect for her roll… who knows, it coulda’ been just that fact that I’m a little sour about the premise of the movie to really enjoy it.

6-4-3

February 14th, 2010
12:37 pm

IPayForAOL – I also highly recommend HBO’s Carnivale. Very underrated series that was cut off way too soon. It had a creepy and surreal feel to it, very interesting show.

I also enjoyed HBO’s Rome. Thought that was cancelled too soon right after hitting it’s stride.

Mike Mike Bo

February 14th, 2010
12:37 pm

Its definitely one of those movies where I’m in the vast minority. Oh well… it happens… I’m over it. =)

Lew

February 14th, 2010
12:38 pm

DOB-Thanks for the distinction. Thought there might be a qualifier there.

I’d still rather have Damon leading off and Nate batting lower, though. I’m thinking the Braves have to still be in the running. I believe all those rumors are just that – rumors. I still contend if he had a two year deal for $14 mil, he’d be wearing a Tiger uniform by now.

thickfreakness

February 14th, 2010
12:40 pm

DOB-

I see the numbers you got on Baseball Reference.Com as career Batting Order Position (1st). The Leading Off Inning above which splits to First Batter in Game and Leading Off Inning are much lower. Not being a stat guy, how do you correctly interpret the information?

The Grinch

February 14th, 2010
12:42 pm

Carney Johnson, that’s one of the many reasons why it’s incomprehensible to me that people still get married. I can understand it if it’s purely a business contract, or if you accidentally get your girlfriend pregnant; otherwise you’d just about have to be naive or a masochist. Look around you and see how many happy marriages you know about. There are some, of course, but most are usually older couples. Do you know more than 1 in 5 happily married couples under 40? Trying to be “that one” instead of the other four seems to me to be a heck of a way to gamble with your life.

David O'Brien

February 14th, 2010
12:45 pm

Pitchers and catchers report tomorrow, right? — joerochester

Not Braves P&C. At least I hope not. If they report tomorrow, I’ll be a few days late when I fly down.

(Actually, Braves pitchers and catchers report Friday.)

The Grinch

February 14th, 2010
12:47 pm

6-4-3, loved Rome. Got both seasons on DVD and don’t know why they canceled it. Same with Deadwood. The fact that shows of that quality get canceled and reality TV thrives is a sad commentary on society.

Heath

February 14th, 2010
12:47 pm

DJ -

I’m not sure why you feel the need to attack me. To satisfy you curiousity, I came to this blog to talk about the Braves, but stayed because we talk about BBQ, music, movies, and all sports…per the description that DOB himself has posted at the top. It is the Braves off-season and we can only talk about Damon so much and that dead horse has been beaten enough until he signs. I can’t wait until the season begins….but until then, it’s basketball season. So that will be on the discussion menu, so to speak. Sorry if you feel that is propoganda. If you don’t like it, sorry. You can always go to a blog that only discusses the Braves. There is no reason, though, for you to attack people that have said absolutely nothing to you.

David O'Brien

February 14th, 2010
12:48 pm

thickfreakness: Pretty clear. You either state his numbers hitting from the No. 1position in the lineup, or the smaller samples of him leading off an inning or leading off a game. Whichever you want to look at. Not quite sure what the question is.

You can give a No. 4 hitter’s numbers leading off an inning, too, but that’s not a stat you ever see anyone dwell upon. Or a No. 5 hitter leading off an inning.

I think it’s relevant, though, to point out that some guys are a lot better leading off games than others. Nate’s not been good as a leadoff man in those situations. Leadoff hitters like Rickey Henderson were spectacular in that aspect. (But Rickey was spectacular, period.)

TheManMike

February 14th, 2010
12:52 pm

DOB
You may have mentioned this at one point, but did you catch the Coens latest, “A Serious Man”? I watched it a few nights ago and found it likable. Definitely only likable, though. I can usually dig a cultural flick, but it didn’t grab me like previous Coen works. Thoughts?

thickfreakness

February 14th, 2010
12:53 pm

DOB-

Yeah, I sussed it out and of course he won’t be leading off every at bat. It can be an unfair point I was trying to make – see that. Does beg the question of how important “the leadoff” spot really is.

6-4-3

February 14th, 2010
12:55 pm

The Grinch – I agree with your assessment of Deadwood as well. That was a Kick-Ass show. Even these days I’ll watch it every now and then on DirecTV’s channel 101 free channel. I just have to make sure the kids aren’t around when I’m watching it. Pretty nasty language and violence.

You’re right about reality tv. Sad commentary indeed.

GboroBravo

February 14th, 2010
12:58 pm

DOB what were some of the names of places out in California that you mentioned had great Fish Tacoes? Any around LA or Santa Monica?

David O'Brien

February 14th, 2010
12:58 pm

The fact that shows of that quality get canceled and reality TV thrives is a sad commentary on society. — The Grinch

Agreed. But of course, the same can be said for every form of pop culture. Horror movies, for instance. Some garbage like Saw Pt. 5 will make $100 million at the box office, while the flat-out excellent Let the Right One In makes 1/50th of that.

And I won’t even stir the pot by bringing music into the discussion….

Heath

February 14th, 2010
1:02 pm

Grinch/DOB -

Haven’t and will not watch those “reality” tv shows. Just don’t understand the fascination with them. I guess I can sort of understand for a season or two…but after that…

Steve from OH

February 14th, 2010
1:02 pm

Grinch, Rome was excellent. Agree with your sentiments re: reality TV.

thickfreakness

February 14th, 2010
1:03 pm

So to increase the “sample size”, his career OBP is .342 and OPS is .796
I suppose we still score enough runs, but I’d still like to see someone with a .375 OBP in front of the 2 and 3 hitters.

Carney Johnson

February 14th, 2010
1:07 pm

Grinch: Yep, you’re right. To me, it’s really interesting that our culture at large talks about men being afraid to commit, and men who cheat, but you never hear a word about all these women who cut off their husbands. Not a word about it! Women run the world

The Grinch

February 14th, 2010
1:08 pm

Thanks for the tip on “Let the Right One In.” Haven’t heard of it; I’ll check it out. Film is one of the rare things we usually agree on. I LOVE horror movies and have yet to watch a single “Saw.”

6-4-3, “bad language” on Deadwood? How do you normally talk around your kids?

Steve from OH

February 14th, 2010
1:10 pm

David O'Brien

February 14th, 2010
1:11 pm

TheManMike: I thought A Simple Serious Man was excellent. But I’ve never disliked any Coen Bros. movie. It’s not one of my five favorite Coen Bros. movies, but it’s great — or pretty close.

thickfreakness

February 14th, 2010
1:14 pm

DOB-

You made me curious, R Henderson had a creer OBP of .401 His greatness is without question and stole more bases than anyone. Ty Cobb had a career .433 OBP – just phenomenal.

David O'Brien

February 14th, 2010
1:18 pm

thickfreakness: No doubt about Cobb. He was the best hitter in the game for a decade before Babe Ruth seized that throne.

thickfreakness

February 14th, 2010
1:19 pm

They’ve made many great movies but I really dig Barton Fink, Blood Simple and The Man Who Wasn’t There.

TnBrian

February 14th, 2010
1:20 pm

The first Saw was alright, but it went downhill fast afterwards.

Anybody ever eaten at Genghis Grill? Asian food where you build your own bowl type thing. Pretty damn good and the waitresses were good to look at too.

thickfreakness

February 14th, 2010
1:22 pm

First season of Deadwood was pure enjoyment.

The Grinch

February 14th, 2010
1:26 pm

Mark Anthony was a first class pimp, straight up.

Carney, what gets me are feminists who expect you to open the door for them, pick up the check, etc. when they give you nothing in return but pseudo-intellectual nonsense and icy contempt. BBBB! (Bring Back Barbara Billingsly)

Rodney Derrick

February 14th, 2010
1:27 pm

Perhaps with his new eyes, Nate McLouth will have improved numbers hitting leadoff and/or other positions in the order. I do not remember whether he got contacts or laser surgery during the offseason, but the eyes plus his now healthy legs could make a big difference. Despite being a winner and an exciting guy, Johnny Damon is now 36, with a terrible throwing arm, and he would also be facing pitchers in a new league if he signed with the Braves, without also having that Yankee lineup of Jeter, ARod, and Tex behind him. And while some could point out that Melky will also suffer from the same changes, he is just 25 years old, not yet entering his prime; if he had come up through the Braves farm system, folks here would be calling him the second coming of Mickey Mantle or at least Bernie Williams.

David O'Brien

February 14th, 2010
1:29 pm

Grinch, after you see Let The Right One In you should also rent Dead Snow from last year. Not a great movie, but a good, fun one. That is, if a sometimes-hilarious splatterfest about Nazi zombies terrorizing a group of 20-somethings on a snowy vacation at a remote Norwegian mountain cabin doesn’t offend you. (You’ll like it, I can say with a high degree of confidence.)

lexbrave

February 14th, 2010
1:29 pm

dj, college basketball is happening right now, baseball is not. have you noticed that about 90 percent of dave’s posts are about something unrelated to braves baseball and it’s actually his braves baseball blog? there are numerous topics discussed here. there happens to be a couple of braves fans here that also like other sports and teams. its only natural that we’d discuss our similar interests. sorry lexington wasnt right for you, ive lived and traveled to many places and ive found lexingtonians\kentuckians to be some of the kindest most generous and compasionate people ive ever met. which is partly why me and my european wife chose to live here and not in her home country or one of the many other places we’ve been.

Jay212033

February 14th, 2010
1:30 pm

A-Ville Ranger

25 lbs of solid muscle IS a good thing. It’s not like Heyward put on 25 lbs of fat.

TnBrian

February 14th, 2010
1:34 pm

This is so stupid. I hate those corny Hardee’s commercials and this tops them all:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB2MDYzx5OY

Couch Tater

February 14th, 2010
1:37 pm

We’ve had reality TV since the 50’s. Hollywood just figured out how to move The Young and the Restless and General Hospital to prime time for a younger audience.

Salamander

February 14th, 2010
1:38 pm

I loved all three seasons of Deadwood, and both seasons of Rome.

Most of the people I know who like reality tv are women or dudes placating women (perhaps for some of that elusive relationship booty).

A-Ville Ranger

February 14th, 2010
1:45 pm

jay, You only have to go back 2 years to see what ‘’solid muscle” did to our last wonderboy right fielder.History is clear, 254lbs is too heavy for the outfield.DOB compares Heyward to Dave Parker, but DP was 6′5” 230 at his best.JH is already 245 and he’s JUST 20.

The kid had a perfect build last year.If the weight was intentional or worse yet, encouraged by management it was foolish.

The Grinch

February 14th, 2010
1:45 pm

I’ll put them on my netflix cue directly.

Check this Valentine’s article out from Cracked.com, it’s hilarious. But a bit crude; be warned.

http://www.cracked.com/blog/how-to-social-network-for-women-on-valentines-day

C's

February 14th, 2010
1:47 pm

TnBrian – Try watching with the sound off. It’s not bad.

Heath

February 14th, 2010
1:54 pm

lexbrave -

Where is your wife from? I’ve been to Poland, Hungary, Romania, Germany, England, France, etc… Love the view in Eastern Europe. ;)

David O'Brien

February 14th, 2010
1:55 pm

A-ville Ranger: Couple of things. One, Francoeur put on the wrong kind of weight, he conceded later. He worked out with football players, doing heavy power lifting, not sport-specific workouts. Heyward, from people I’ve talked to, has not done that.

Heyward is just a very large guy who, from what I heard, has continued doing workouts that are designed with the movements required of a baseball player, the hitting and throwing, not adding bulk that would hinder such movements. By the way, he’s represented by the same group that reps Francoeur, so I would assume they’ve shared info with him about mistakes Francoeur made in that regard.

No. 2, you’re looking at listed weight for Dave Parker. If it says 230 on official rosters or records, pretty safe to assume it was at least 240-250. Because baseball rosters and media guides are notoriously innacurate when it comes to weights. The team will weigh a guy his rookie year, and often won’t update the roster again for years, unless a player changes teams (and sometimes, even then it’s not updated).

Especially for bigger guys, their listed weight is often 20 or more pounds below actual weight.

For example, Chipper was listed at 210 pounds in last year’s media guide. Do you know the last time Chipper Jones weighed 210 pounds? Many years ago, I’d imagine. In last year’s Braves guide, Derek Lowe is listed at 230 and Chipper at 210. That’s laughable, to suggest that Lowe weighs 20 pounds more than Chipper.

And I’d also say that for you to even insinuate that Braves management might have suggested to Heyward that he add weight, that’s a little unfair. The guy’s still a kid, relatively speaking. He’s growing. How many guys — ballplayers or not — do you know of that maintain the same weight they had at 19? Heyward was 19 freakin’ years old last spring. He’s supposed to maintain the same weight? You ever hear of what the players call “man strength”? He’s getting his. Scary to think how strong he might be at, say, 28.

I said last spring I thought he’d be 250 before it was all said and done, just from looking at his wide shoulders and the frame he had to carry weight and more muscle. I said it to Wren and Cox, in fact. If anything, both of them downplayed the importance of that, saying Heyward was already strong and only needed to keep doing what he was doing, that sort of thing. In other words, they said nothing at all that would lead me to think the Braves wanted Heyward to get stronger or planned to suggest that he do so.

The guy was pretty ripped a year ago, and whatever he’s done since, I’m sure he’s done on his own, though presumably — hopefully — with some guidance from people who know what they’re doing.

One other thing to keep in mind: Francoeur was never a fast runner. Good athlete. But pure speed was never a strength of his. Heyward, on the other hand, has good speed. And for a man his size, great speed.

The Grinch

February 14th, 2010
1:59 pm

Governor, to whom are you referring? Palestine Liberation?

Steve from OH

February 14th, 2010
2:00 pm

Did anyone see this? O’s pitcher Brad Bergesen strains shoulder during commercial shoot:

http://deadspin.com/5471423/budding-os-star-gets-injured-in-commercial-shoot-of-course-he-does

TnBrian

February 14th, 2010
2:03 pm

Francoeur is stupid. Talk about a dumb jock, he defines that term.

And we’re still talking about him …..

TnBrian

February 14th, 2010
2:05 pm

I’d like to have a more athletic Ryan Howard hitting cleanup for my team … a kid like Heyward.

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