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nolie
February 5th, 2010
6:30 pm
olie-We will need a #4-5 pitcher. If that’s what Minor finally hakes out as, what’s the problem? LEW
nothing I think there is a good chance that is what will happen. Just stirrin’ the pot from a few guys who envision him as a top of the rotation pitcher just cause he might get here quick. We could use a lefty for sure
TnBrian
February 5th, 2010
6:31 pm
SoWeGa Fanatic, that’ll serve her right, won’t it? LOL … I’ll tell her when she gets off work.
ncscoots
February 5th, 2010
6:37 pm
That nolie is a pot-stirrer from way back, LOL.
Sorry I missed the jazz discussion (and I’m too lazy to go back for it), that’s one of the few music discussions here that I might have been able to file one relevant comment.
David O'Brien
February 5th, 2010
6:41 pm
StingerSplash: See Nolie’s 5:40 comment an another example of those who I am not. The man knows his jazz, but BBQ? Well…
Nolie, you probably don’t care what any of them thank, but if you could ask the folks who judge BBQ contests around the country, who’ve written books about BBQ, hosted shows about BBQ at the travel channels and food channels — ask them to name the best BBQ joints in these here United States, and I will guarantee you that 99 percent (or more) of them will have at least one or two Eastern N.C. places near the top of their list.
Nolie, I only say all that to emphasize to you that this is serious BBQ, dude. Not some flukey food that’s just a niche for a small group of people. No area of the country has more BBQ joints than the eastern half of N.C., and there’s a reason — because it’s serious stuff there, and because residents, tourists and everyone else can’t get enough of it. Ummm…delicious.
SoWeGa Fanatic
February 5th, 2010
6:46 pm
Hey, yall don’t do that to me. I felt like Loaf in a foot race – left behind.
Bravissimo
February 5th, 2010
6:52 pm
DOB…Eastern NC….anything East of Charlotte? or further East?
nolie
February 5th, 2010
7:00 pm
Thanks for all the jazz guitarist ists last night.
Here is one for you, Gino D’Auri, Lunatic
I like any Spanish guitar. Thanx.
Chuck James can Potentially be Solid until the 6th again!!!
February 5th, 2010
7:01 pm
Chuck also said, “It ain’t rocket surgery.”
And wasn’t trying to be funny.
LOL
That’s my boy!!
nolie
February 5th, 2010
7:08 pm
Sorry I missed the jazz discussion (and I’m too lazy to go back for it), that’s one of the few music discussions SCOOTS
too lazy to scroll down a short page and click on the 1 is truly lazy. And it was my first ever first blog comment too
nolie
February 5th, 2010
7:15 pm
what’s the big deal? stir up a little catsup a little vinegar a little onion powder and a little garlic powder and you got BBQ.
SoWeGa Fanatic
February 5th, 2010
7:16 pm
Uh, you going to put any pork in that?
iopbrave
February 5th, 2010
7:18 pm
Damon has been a winner no doubt and sure it’s business but going to NY from Boston was bad ( as Glavine to the Mets) so iit’s fine if he goes elsewhere – he can dh in the AL
love all kinds of bbq – not much for the rub – some of the mustard based here in SC is fine stuff ,too
nolie
February 5th, 2010
7:20 pm
pork or beef or chicken, don’t matter whatever you like
Bravissimo
February 5th, 2010
7:25 pm
nolie…you in the bay area?
nolie
February 5th, 2010
7:28 pm
on a Florida bay
Salty Dawg
February 5th, 2010
7:29 pm
Daslied-“You tryin’ to tell me the best prospect in baseball can’t lay down a bunt?”
(Said Eddie Harris-style.)
Ha! One of the all-time great lines in movie comedy.
Pedro: Ah, Jesus, I like him very much, but he no help with curveball.
Eddie: You trying to say Jesus Christ can’t hit a curveball?
Bravissimo
February 5th, 2010
7:30 pm
ahhh..ok
Hillbilly
February 5th, 2010
7:34 pm
I missed Jamey Johnson over in Athens, unfortunately. Really want to see that dude live. Real deal, that one. Not many like him coming long these days in country music.
DOB, My sister saw Jamey Johnson at Billy Bob’s in Fort Worth and said it’s a must-see event. Said he played for over 3 hours, and about half-way through he declared he was “going to play whatever the #%*@ he wanted to play for the rest of the night.” That’s when he started cranking out tunes by Waylon, DAC, and every other classic country artist he could think of. He’s definitely at the very top of my must see list.
nolie
February 5th, 2010
7:35 pm
This is long but its ESPN Insider so I can’t link it.
A question of before and after
Friday, February 5, 2010
Orlando Hudson hit well against fastballs last season, and he should see a lot more of them now that he has signed a one-year deal with the Twins; he is seemingly a perfect fit in the Minnesota lineup in the No. 2 spot, just ahead of Joe Mauer.
Or at least you’d think so, based on the conventional wisdom that batting directly in front of a great hitter means the opposing pitcher is more apt to challenge you with fastballs.
This raised a question that Keith Isley and Kenny Kendrena of Inside Edge addressed: What percentage of fastballs did the hitters in front of Mauer see last season — and who would be at the top of that list?
In fact, the hitters batting in front of Mauer saw the third-highest percentage of fastballs in all of baseball. Yet the hitters in front of Kansas City Royals right fielder Willie Bloomquist ranked eighth. Here are the players whose preceding batter received the most fastballs in 2009:
Adam Jones: 73.7 percent
Denard Span: 73.3 percent
Joe Mauer: 71.9 percent
Mark Teixeira: 71.3 percent
Johnny Damon: 71.3 percent
Dustin Pedroia: 71.3 percent
David Wright: 71.1 percent
Willie Bloomquist: 70.8 percent
Adam Kennedy: 70.5 percent
Adrian Gonzalez: 70.5 percent
As you would assume, there are many, many variables in play with this number. Span almost certainly ranks second because the guy who typically batted before him, Nick Punto, saw almost nothing but fastballs because he’s a light hitter whom pitchers challenge repeatedly. The guy batting in front of Jones a lot was Cesar Izturis, who is perceived as being more vulnerable against fastball pitchers.
You wonder, too, whether the best players on bad teams — which often trail in the middle and late innings — would tend to be high on this list. There are also a number of elite hitters on this list whom you would expect to see based on the conventional wisdom.
Inside Edge took the issue one step further, looking at the percentage of times the previous hitter saw fastballs in the strike zone — in other words, a possible indication of how he was challenged. And again, there is a potpourri of hitting talent sprinkled across this list — guys you would expect to see as well as guys you wouldn’t expect to see based on conventional wisdom. Joey Votto, a great hitter on a subpar team, and Garrett Jones, a big-time home run threat in his time in the big leagues, rank No. 1 and No. 2. And Gabe Gross ranks in the top 20, too:
Joey Votto: 51.6 percent
Garrett Jones: 51.4 percent
Todd Helton: 50.6 percent
Manny Ramirez: 50.3 percent
Ryan Braun: 49.3 percent
Matt Wieters: 48.7 percent
Hanley Ramirez: 48.5 percent
Chipper Jones: 48.5 percent
Ryan Zimmerman: 48.2 percent
Evan Longoria: 48.1 percent
Aubrey Huff: 47.9 percent
Magglio Ordonez: 47.8 percent
Ken Griffey: 47.5 percent
Adrian Gonzalez: 47.2 percent
Juan Uribe: 46.9 percent
Albert Pujols: 46.8 percent
Gabe Gross: 46.8 percent
Adam Dunn: 46.6 percent
Scott Hairston: 46.4 percent
Pablo Sandoval: 46.3 percent
The bottom 10, for percentage of fastballs thrown to the previous hitter:
Ryan Ludwick: 54.2 percent
Yadier Molina: 55.1 percent
Raul Ibanez: 55.8 percent
Jayson Werth: 56.6 percent
Jonny Gomes: 56.8 percent
Matt Diaz: 57.3 percent
Adam LaRoche: 57.3 percent
Rick Ankiel: 57.9 percent
Josh Willingham: 58.2 percent
Mike Fontenot: 58.4 percent
I’m not trying to reach any conclusions here, just having a conversation.
Protection question, Part 2
Here’s a snippet of detail for this conversation as it relates to Albert Pujols and Matt Holliday. If you follow the theory, Holliday’s acquisition and subsequent placement behind Pujols might have prompted pitchers to throw more fastballs to the first baseman even though he is, well, the best hitter on the planet. However, the numbers seem to indicate that the presence of Holliday in St. Louis’ lineup had almost no bearing on how pitchers worked to Pujols.
From Kendrena of Inside Edge (and we all realize the sample sizes are relatively small for these numbers, because Holliday was with Oakland for about 3½ months and the Cardinals for the last 2½ months:
Pujols, before and after Holliday
Fast Curve Slide Change Other
Before Holliday 59% 9% 21% 10% 1%
After Holliday 56% 13% 20% 8% 2%
So, he saw marginally fewer fastballs with Holliday hitting behind him than with Ludwick or others hitting behind him.
18 Wheels of Love
February 5th, 2010
7:40 pm
IOPBrave, I hope you aren’t one of the locals that subscribes to the Momma Brown’s BBQ. I’ve tried it over the years but just can’t get into it. I’d rather eat at Home Team on SI. Now Acme Cantina in your neck of he woods does have some of my favorit ebar food.
haggard 1
February 5th, 2010
8:04 pm
Just got in and am catching up after scrolling through…
Haven’t heard anyone mention Harold’s BBQ just up from the Pen in SE Atlanta
David O’Brien–Great stoking of the fires on Heyward and fine “Q”. Nice to have the baseball world “looking over our shoulders” at a Braves home-grown prospect.
DOB–You mentioned Ellis Marsalis and Thelonious Monk–have you heard Marsalis’ “An Open Letter To Thelonious”?
Jazz guitarists? I’ve seen some greats mentioned—How ’bout adding Django Reinhardt and Bucky Pizzarelli to the list?
Anyone familiar with the Rosenberg Trio, (with Stochelo on lead)?
Saw one of my favorites–Bill Withers–on TV last night and he says another jazz great–George Benson–recently asked him to write a song for a project.Some may consider Benson “jazz-lite”, but pre-”Breazin” he’s not.
And sax players? For the older stuff I like Sonny Rollins, Charlie Rouse, and Paul Desmond–in addition to the fine players already mentioned.
http://the-guitarplayer.com/2008/09/04/rosenberg-trio-youtube-acoustic-jazz-guitar/
joerochester
February 5th, 2010
8:08 pm
Sloppy JOes is some great barbecue.
jeffrey d
February 5th, 2010
8:10 pm
Hawks working on a shutout
jeffrey d
February 5th, 2010
8:18 pm
How about this quote from Adam Dunn on talking to guys while he’s at first base
Depends who it is. I’ve got my buddies, and we’ve got a lot of things to talk about. Other people, I have no idea what to talk about. For instance, say Brian McCann was over there, I would probably make some sort of fat joke, something like that. I would talk to David Wright about how he can’t hit homers any more. It depends
joerochester
February 5th, 2010
8:26 pm
I like Adam Dunn a lot. Dude can’t field but he is a heck of an offensive player.
Chuck James can Potentially be Solid until the 6th again!!!
February 5th, 2010
8:34 pm
jeffrey d
Great find on that quote, haha! But man is he miserable in the field!
bigchiefrg
February 5th, 2010
8:36 pm
I am watching Always Sunny when Dennis and D run for Comptroller (or at least try) and this was the best line ever. As danny DeVito is trying to jazz up his daughter he says to her, ‘There is nothing men are more threatened by then a good looking and smart woman and we have to make them think you’re both.’
Wow this is a great show.
NO MORE BOBBY
February 5th, 2010
8:42 pm
Shanks A Lot – Good call on Jones in CF and Murphy to LF. Someone else actually put Murphy as catcher for the Cox all star Braves team. From what I hear Murphy was horrible at that position and was moved to the OF.
Chuck James can Potentially be Solid until the 6th again!!!
February 5th, 2010
8:43 pm
big cheif
Always Sunny is the best comedy show, hands down… So classic! Did you see the one where they go to Game 5 of the 2008 WS??
NO MORE BOBBY
February 5th, 2010
8:44 pm
I like that I stayed away all off season and and as soon as I come back people are still talking about Dunn as a Brave. Do you half of these people even watch baseball or are they on here because its like a party site?
NO MORE BOBBY
February 5th, 2010
8:44 pm
and and? I see the AJC website still sucks.
NO MORE BOBBY
February 5th, 2010
8:45 pm
Sorry AJC. Maybe Im more messed up than I thought.
joerochester
February 5th, 2010
8:50 pm
Always Sunny is a great show. Green Man and Night Man are funny episodes.
jeffrey d
February 5th, 2010
8:53 pm
I like that I stayed away all off season and and as soon as I come back people are still talking about Dunn as a Brave. Do you half of these people even watch baseball or are they on here because its like a party site?
Who’s saying Dunn should be a Brave? All I did was bring up a Dunn quote where he called McCann fat. Absolutely nobody has talked about Dunn being a Brave. Do you half of you even pay attention?
renegade#1
February 5th, 2010
8:54 pm
Brian McCann needs to learn how to play first some this season if he is going to have a long career. We have a starting catcher playing backup. David Ross I believe hit 19 or 20 hr the year before we got him that could translate into 40 to 45 for him and McCann now thats a potent duo.
joerochester
February 5th, 2010
8:55 pm
Dunn isn’t that skinny himself.
joerochester
February 5th, 2010
8:55 pm
Dunn has a legit shot of easily hitting over 500 HRs.
bigchiefrg
February 5th, 2010
8:57 pm
Chuck, i dont think so, i am 2/3rds the way through seasons 1 and 2 (there are 3 disks that dont differentiate b/n season 1 and 2). I will finish the other tomorrow or something, the gf wanted to watch a movie.
joerochester
February 5th, 2010
8:57 pm
I bet Dunn gets traded this year. It’s his last year in contract.
jeffrey d
February 5th, 2010
8:58 pm
We have a starting catcher playing backup.
David Ross is not a starter. His career average is in the .220s.
jeffrey d
February 5th, 2010
9:01 pm
Remember how much everybody hated Jeff Francoeur last year? He hit .250…that’s 22 points higher than Ross’ career average.
StingerSplash
February 5th, 2010
9:04 pm
DOB,
Checked nolie’s 5:40. Mmph. That’s the great thing about barbecue. You can prepare it 100 different ways and you’re bound to please somebody.
OK, awaiting your review of Community BBQ.
StingerSplash
February 5th, 2010
9:05 pm
No barbecue on the menu for tomorrow.
A pork chop sammich or two from Willie’s Wee Nee Wagon, however, will meet their demise in my hands.
joerochester
February 5th, 2010
9:12 pm
The athletics and the dodgers have had quite a few Rookie of the Year winners over the years.
MIBravesFan
February 5th, 2010
9:12 pm
I didn’t read every comment on the blog before posting this, so if it occurred to someone else first, I’m sorry if I’m repeating, but the first thing I thought of when I read those Tom Russell lyrics about Mickey Mantle was how Skip always used to say “If I’d known I was going to live this long, I would have taken much better care of myself” (or pretty close to those words). I’m guessing Skip liked that song too.
shockley
February 5th, 2010
9:14 pm
DOB — Speaking of BBQ…Texas dude here…may have missed when TX bbq discussion took place and may (read:definitely) be partial but Salt Lick (Round Rock) and Iron Works (Austin) are solid.
Chuck James can Potentially be Solid until the 6th again!!!
February 5th, 2010
9:14 pm
bigchief
That means you have not… O MAN, wait till you get to Season 3-4-5, it gets funnier and funnier the show progresses beyond your imagination. Such a classic, perfect show packed with endless hard laughs!
“Day man! (o-HOOOOO) Fighter of the NIGHTMAN (o-HOOOOO) Champion of the sun…. Master of karate and friendship for everyone…..”
joerochester
You’re right man Greenman is PERFECT. One of my top 5 episodes is when Dennis, Dee and Mac try out for the Eagles and Frank and Charlie are tailgating taking a ton of acid and Charlie ends up in the midst of all 27 McPoyle family members in the parking lot tailgating! LOL!!!!! “Just go with the floooow….” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZakgXKW8Qxo
NO MORE BOBBY
February 5th, 2010
9:25 pm
Dale Murphys mole has more talent than any of the Braves 2010 outfielders. (The kid hasnt proven anything yet so until then the mole wins.)
joerochester
February 5th, 2010
9:26 pm
Chuck
You ever see that episode when they do extreme home makeover? That one’s hilarious too.
McFann
February 5th, 2010
9:30 pm
jeffrey d–
Sure I know he’s slow…but people don’t hafta always put such a negative spin on it all the time.
And about the Adam Dunn thing…*looks around, making sure no one else is listening*…
PS–Got my DVDs yesterday.
Aaahh…love this show…
Redstick19
February 5th, 2010
9:32 pm
Dale Murphys mole has more talent than any of the Braves 2010 outfielders.
If the Braves’ current outfielders would be compared to Dale Murphy’s mole… then I shudder to think about what part of Murphy that Jeff Francouer would have been compared to.
jeffrey d
February 5th, 2010
9:35 pm
What’s that horse up to now?
Lew
February 5th, 2010
9:36 pm
jeffrey d-Yeah, but Francoeur was not a back up catcher. Had he only played once a week and put up those numbers, no one would have been all that upset. Playing 160 games, though…….
jeffrey d
February 5th, 2010
9:39 pm
Lew – I was responding to the person that said we had a starting catcher backing up (Ross)
jeffrey d
February 5th, 2010
9:39 pm
I don’t know how or when the Hawks caught The Suck, but it needs to stop
McFann
February 5th, 2010
9:45 pm
jeffrey d–
Calamity…the second one I watched last night–the one where he wants his stable done over in Hawaiian modern–was great. I coulda watched ‘em forever last night, but I figured I better stop at three.
DAP
February 5th, 2010
9:52 pm
Dunn has a legit shot of easily hitting over 500 HRs.
i think he definetly makes it.
The Grinch
February 5th, 2010
9:53 pm
Jeffrey D, it was when they hired Mike Woodson as coach. He’s a decent defensive assistant, but couldn’t possibly be a worse fit for this particular team as head coach.
As for BBQ; I absolutely love it. However, there is great BBQ to be had all over Texas, Alabama, the Carolinas, Tennessee, Kansas City, and some AWESOME ‘cue in Georgia if you get outside of Atlanta (when I moved back up here from 10 years in south Ga and read an article here about the 5 best BBQ joints in Atlanta I got excited…’till I tried three of them and decided the best of the three wouldn’t stay open six months out in the boonies.). I don’t know why people seem to want to get into fist fights over vinegar based vs. dry rub, etc. The best of the best of ANY kind is excellent, and even avg, BBQ just about anywhere is more than edible. Can one not like more than one kind of sauce? If I eat alfredo on my spaghetti once and declare it good, must I never touch marinara without being flogged in the public square? You people are like the Bloods and Crips, I swear.
jeffrey d
February 5th, 2010
9:54 pm
Has anybody hit 500 HR and not made it to the HoF before (not including McGwire)? I don’t think many people consider Dunn a Hall of Famer, but if he keeps this up he’ll definitely hit the golden 500.
jeffrey d
February 5th, 2010
9:56 pm
it was when they hired Mike Woodson as coach
I’m not gonna pretend that I know a lot about basketball, but it doesn’t seem like Woodson is a good coach. People will point to the team’s record getting better every year, but when you win 15ish games in your first year, you can’t fall too much farther.
joerochester
February 5th, 2010
10:00 pm
Dunn is an offensive machine. He usually has high .OPS, OBP, HR and RBI totals, but is considered one of the worst defenders.
I think 500 HRs will be looked at less in the HOF voting.
Do you think Thome is a HOF?
Braveheart
February 5th, 2010
10:08 pm
Unless and until McCann is dumb enough to sign a lifetime contract with the Braves, it should be of no concern whatsoever to the Braves how long of a career McCann has. They are not guaranteed his career. They are merely guaranteed his services until the end of his current contract. Their only concern should be keeping him healthy and productive through the years they are guaranteed his services under contract. The best way to maximize his current production is at catcher, and that should remain the case for the duration of the current contract.
DAP
February 5th, 2010
10:09 pm
joerochester, if they are going to let career DHs into the hall, why not a poor defender, as long as his offensive numbers are great…which dunn’s absolutley are. i think dunn can average at least 30 homers for the next 6 seasons which would leave him 4 shy of 500. dude is gonna get there.
jeffrey d
February 5th, 2010
10:19 pm
When I think of Dunn I don’t think HoF at all. When I think of current players who are eventual Hall of Famers, I think of Pujols, A-Rod, Chipper, Smoltz. But Adam Dunn??
joerochester
February 5th, 2010
10:22 pm
If Dunn was a better defender people would be talking about him being one of the best players in the game.
nolie
February 5th, 2010
10:22 pm
Checked nolie’s 5:40. Mmph. Stinger
C’mon I wasn’t being serious, i was stickin’ it to Dave. I’m actually not enough of a fan of any kind of BBQ to have a recipe. I eat it about once every three years or so.Could live the rest of my life without it for all I care,Just not mplate of sausy meat
joerochester
February 5th, 2010
10:22 pm
DAP
What DH’s are in the hall?
nolie
February 5th, 2010
10:31 pm
Has anybody hit 500 HR and not made it to the HoF before (not including McGwire)? jeffrey
Rafael Palmeiro. He’s tainted and hasn’t been on the ballot yet.Guy put up some awesome numbers. Way better player than Big Mac and I think he is eligible in 2010 maybe. anyway that should give us a good idea of how voters are thinking.
Guy was a total self-centered jerk and one of the least liked players in baseball but he was a very good player. Hard to be sure just how good though since his name was rumored around as a user just about from the beginning of the PEDs era.
jeffrey d
February 5th, 2010
10:32 pm
Could live the rest of my life without it for all I care nolie
That’s good to hear. I was starting to think I was the only Braves fan who didn’t eat BBQ for breakfast.
joerochester
February 5th, 2010
10:33 pm
Palmeiro also has over 3,000 hits.
joerochester
February 5th, 2010
10:34 pm
I live in the Northeast. I’m sure the bbq here isn’t that great, but I get it like twice a year.
nolie
February 5th, 2010
10:37 pm
There is no way in hell Dunn ever even gets a sniff of the Hall. Thome is likely borderline but was an ok defender when younger. Dunn is a baseball joke unless at bat. . That batting average alone would keep him out.His surreal fielding attempts will guarantee it.
DAP
February 5th, 2010
10:38 pm
joerochester What DH’s are in the hall?
i dont know of any for sure, but i always hear about frank thomas and adam dunn getting in. rafael palmero too, if it werent for the roids. and i think there are alot of people hoping martinez will get in.
i dont think they will keep anybody out because of being primarily a DH, so why keep a guy out just for bad defense?
joerochester
February 5th, 2010
10:44 pm
Thomas was MVP and had crazy offensive numbers. Both he and Palmeiro were 1B, and Palmeiro was very good at his position.
If you ask me, 3,000 hits is more impressive than 500 HRs.
nolie
February 5th, 2010
10:56 pm
so why keep a guy out just for bad defense? DAP
there has been little support for DH in the HOF so far.I think it will keep most of them out except perhaps for the extremely great ones.and they will takes years to get in if they do. Baseball is a sport where hitting is only part of what is done. How can you vote for someone as one dimensional as Dunn? Only fans in the the fantasy ball era would even think about it cause that’s all that counts for them, but it ain’t all that counts in real baseball.
tiger297
February 5th, 2010
11:02 pm
anybody know how many players have 500 hrs and 3000 hits?
Braveheart
February 5th, 2010
11:04 pm
Why didn’t they ask him directly? Because sometimes, you gauge the answers you’re getting, try to prod a guy along without him getting nervous and clamming up. I thought the hosts did a really good job handling the situation and continuing to push without coming right out and asking him, which might well ruined any chance of getting anything more.
Unfortunately, I forgot to keep this in mind earlier this week. Was interviewing an adverse witness, and had an easygoing conversation going where I was being told all this crazy sh!t about all these people involved in the situation I was dealing with. Just real good stuff I didn’t know, and otherwise would have never known, and that was detrimental to the interests of the folks she was supposed to be helping. But then I had to do it, just had to go for the judgmental gotcha jugular question for no apparent reason whatsoever. Awkward pause followed where she presumably remembered that although I was being real friendly up until that point, I was in no way whatsoever her friend. The details stopped coming, the phone call ended soon thereafter, and I was left sitting there feeling like a worthless idiot
bravesfan1984
February 5th, 2010
11:05 pm
tiger, that would be:
willie mays, hank aaron, eddie murray and rafael palmeiro
tiger297
February 5th, 2010
11:08 pm
bravesfan
thx did you know that off the top of your head or did you look it up?
joerochester
February 5th, 2010
11:11 pm
only two I knew were Murray and Mr. Palmeri.
bravesfan1984
February 5th, 2010
11:14 pm
tiger, as much as i’d like to say i knew that off the top of my head, i looked it up haha…i was curious about that also
tiger297
February 5th, 2010
11:17 pm
I would guess A-Rod, Griffey, Vlad maybe Manny get there and Chipper has a legitimate shot at it. Pretty impressive list.
Thrillhouse44
February 5th, 2010
11:19 pm
Ya’ll know what’s underrated? Malt liquor.
DAP
February 5th, 2010
11:19 pm
nolie, ozzie smith got in just because of his defense. why couldnt dunn get in just because of his offense.
joerochester, thomas and thome both played 1st base in thier career. they were also both used mostly as DHs. you are right on palmerio. i didnt realize he played 1st so much in his career, actually.
by the way, i hate the DH, and wish they would do away with it. i dont want this too seem like i like one dimensinal baseball players. i do think though, that if your offensive perfomance is good enough, it should over shadow bad defense, when it comes to HOF considerations. what is good enough? that should be the question.
joerochester
February 5th, 2010
11:21 pm
Steroids or not.. Palmeiro was still impressive. I think he deserves induction.
joerochester
February 5th, 2010
11:22 pm
Frankly, in my opinion, if the pitchers were on roids and the batters were on roids they cancel out.
joerochester
February 5th, 2010
11:23 pm
DAP
Look up Thomas’s offensive numbers. They’re very impressive. He was a monster in his career and earned MVP awards. Thome has never gotten an MVP award.
StingerSplash
February 5th, 2010
11:25 pm
nolie,
Fair enough.
And I agree with you on Dunn. His OPS is insane but he is the epitome of the three true outcomes. He’s a horrible defender, a terrible baserunner and strikes out way, way too much.
nolie
February 5th, 2010
11:25 pm
nolie, ozzie smith got in just because of his defense. why couldnt dunn get in just because of his offense. DAP
Ozzie was way better at offense than Dunn is at defense. poor comparison IMO.
We’ll just have to wait and see, or at least you will.
Just remember if he doesn’t make it that I told you so
Thrillhouse44
February 5th, 2010
11:25 pm
The details stopped coming, the phone call ended soon thereafter, and I was left sitting there feeling like a worthless idiot
Sounds like Boras’ conversation with Cashman after he asked for $13 mill.
Alex Trebek
February 5th, 2010
11:30 pm
Some random Jeopardy questions (or more correctly) answers involving baseball:
1. BASEBALL HISTORY (7/11/08): “For nearly 30 years, California’s Catalina Island was the spring training camp for this non-California Major League team”
2. BASEBALL TERMS (4/29/09): “Hall of Famer Willie Stargell called it ‘a butterfly with hiccups’”
3. MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL (3/23/05): “The team names of these two expansion clubs start with the same three letters; one might catch the other.”
4. BASEBALL HISTORY (2/2/04) “On August 10th, 2003, Rafael Furcal of the Braves became only the 12th man in MLB history to perform this single-handedly.”
5. BASEBALL (9/11/02): “It’s the only team to win World Series titles in three different cities for which it played.”
6. MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL TEAM NAMES (10/19/01): “This team received its name after an 1890 incident in which it “stole” away an important player from another team.”
7. BASEBALL HALL OF FAMERS (4/23/01): “A Red Sox pitcher, later a Yankee, he held the World Series record for consecutive scoreless innings from 1918 to 1961.”
8. BASEBALL HISTORY (5/22/00): “Current name of the National League team that started out in the 1870s as the Boston Red Stockings.”
9. BASEBALL TEAMS (11/27/98): “In the early days, this team was known as the Alleghenies.”
10. BASEBALL (12/04/96): “The best American League left-handed pitcher 1916-18, he was moved to left field in 1919.”
Answers — 1. Cubs, 2. knuckleball, 3. Mariners/Marlins, 4. A triple play, 5. Braves, 6. Pirates, 7. Babe Ruth, 8. Braves, 9. Pirates, 10. Babe Ruth
joerochester
February 5th, 2010
11:31 pm
If Dunn gets 2 MVP awards and hits over 500 HRs, I bet he would make it.
Fan with No Name
February 5th, 2010
11:32 pm
“I have to say, this little hometown BBQ joint have the best ribs and pulled pork that I’ve ever had.” – Arkansas Transplant
Where are you talking about, Arkansas Transplant. I just moved to Arkansas and am would love to check it out. That is, I assume you are talking about Ark.
Soph
February 5th, 2010
11:32 pm
For instance, say Brian McCann was over there, I would probably make some sort of fat joke
Well, that’s not nice. On a side note, I see the Hawks won. Yay!
Braveheart
February 5th, 2010
11:34 pm
Sounds like Thrillhouse44 needs to change his name to Colt45
DAP
February 5th, 2010
11:36 pm
nolie, Just remember if he doesn’t make it that I told you so
ha, im sure i will remember that 15 years or so from now when dunn is eligable.
joerochester, im not sure if i see you point about thome and thomas. thier numbers actually look really close to me. thomas got some awards, but thier career numbers are pretty similar.
Thrillhouse44
February 5th, 2010
11:37 pm
Steel Reserve 211 tonight…2nd consecutive weekend of being snowed in.I have everything from malt to premium.
Andrew in PA
February 5th, 2010
11:37 pm
anyone getting tons of snow?
Thrillhouse44
February 5th, 2010
11:41 pm
Not tons…just inches
But that’s just arguing semantics…we all know that in the end, Snow won’t turn Informer
nolie
February 5th, 2010
11:43 pm
If Dunn gets 2 MVP awards and hits over 500 HRs, I bet he would make it. joe r
c’mon man think of what you are saying. Dunn will likely never sniff an MVP award even once let out twice. He has only broken the top 30 twice so far and that was barely. NO MVP voters are ever gonna take him seriously.Too low a BA and with all his homers the guy shas never driven in more than 106 runs which is pretty low considerinf his HR totals.
If y’all wanna kid yourselves go ahead, but he is nowhere near HOF caliber.
He is loved nationally only by fantasy fans