1:54 am February 5, 2010, by David O'Brien
February 12th, 201010:53 am
During the time you’ve indicated, he was dealing with a sickness that he’s been diagnosed with but has in the last year or so learned to cope with it. The guy has game and would come at a very reasonable rate, so I’d really not see where there would be that much risk involved as say a deal with damon. Don’t forget that he’s been primarily used in platoon. Plus he’s a decade younger than damon. Just saying, he’s one of those guys that could be a very small risk with a lot of upside involved. Especial with a minor league contract involved.
February 12th, 201010:54 am
Don-since sarcasm and insults seem not to change your mind, maybe some actual stats might.
In twelve seasons with the Braves (including his shortened rookie year), Andruw hit over .265 with an average of 31 HR and 93 RBI while playing an average of about 156 games a year (excluding rookie year) and won eleven Gold Gloves.
Yeah, you must be right. Bobby failed Andruw in a major fashion.
February 12th, 201010:57 am
Ark. Transplant-He’s known what the problem is for a couple years now and STILL only played 62 games last year, hitting a meager 7 HR and knocking in a massive 23 runners. We don’t need him. We already have at least six outfielders better than Baldelli.
I have lots of sympathy for his condition, but he isn’t a piece that could possibly provide more than the $$$$ he would cost to sign.
But Lew – without Bobby, Andruw would’ve averaged 48 HR, 170 RBI and 212 games played a year…No Gold Gloves, though, because without Bobby the pitchers wouldn’t have let a ball out of the infield. In fact, without Bobby, the other teams would’ve just surrendered.
February 12th, 201010:58 am
Why not offer Jonny Gomes a 1mil contract if Damon does not work out? Sure would offer us a lot of depth.
Macon Braves (RIP)
Don–What and idiot you are. Do you even read (or believe) anything you write. Andruw Jones was one of the greatest natural hitting talents in baseball history? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! The guy hit .231 his rookie year, yeah, that some real “natural hitting talent”. Or did Bobby manage to ruin his swing during spring training that first year?
I know you’re just a Troll and are looking for a reaction, but that has got to be one of the stupidest statements I have read on this blog….and that is really saying something. You make the banned one seem like a sensible guy.
Shanks A Lot
February 12th, 201011:00 am
My wife has an Iphone, for whatever reason my iPod touch is much faster browsing the web. While I’m still not that convinced that Damon end up a Brave, there does seem to be some shenanigans going on. I would be really surprised to see him get anything close to 2/14.
February 12th, 201011:01 am
damon is not going to be a brave… if the reports are accurate he will end up in the AL, most likely detroit or chicago. i mean, why would you take a 4 mil dollar deal for one year and half of the money is deferred in a pretty big ballpark instead of taking a 5 million dollar deal to play at hitter friendly us cellular? and if you wanted to play in a somewhat pitchers park, wouldnt you go to detroit since they are offering you 14 million for TWO years? no way we give him to years… we MIGHT be willing to give him 5 but half would be deferred…. dude is not coming to atlanta for that. im sorry. end of discussion? doubtful.
Wayne in Utah, yeah the Braves are a little-above-average (median average) payroll team these days. No longer a top spender. The Braves absolutely have to take opportunities to stock up young talent because they can’t use the NY/LA/BOS tactics of just signing whatever they need.
Fortunately, unlike the Marlins of the baseball world, the Braves can at least afford to pay for some proven vets to mix in with the young talent, which allows them to compete at a high level. But having a steady stream of great young talent is more important now than it was in the 90’s (not that it’s even unimportant), and is going to be critical moving forward.
Vazquez was only under contract for one more year, and we essentially traded him for Tim Hudson (now under contract for 3 years), T. Glaus, A.Vizcaino, M. Cabrerra & Mike Dunn.
Not bad, IMHO.
February 12th, 201011:02 am
That sounds alot like the thinking that was going on about Hamilton but I’d take him in a heartbeat to play in our outfield. And I’m pretty sure there’s probably about 30 teams that feel the same way. All it took was for a team to take a chance on him again. I doubt it would take much to bring Baldeli to Atlanta, so the money shouldn’t be an issue.
February 12th, 201011:03 am
I mean, spring training would answer and solve any doubts about him. Worst thing to happen, we cut him lose.
February 12th, 201011:06 am
That .231 was actually his first full season in the majors. He played in 31 games his rookie year and hit .217.
In my lifetime (I’m 32), I would say that Tony Gwynn was the best natural hitter. Dude hit .351 in his first full season in the majors (1984). He had played in 54 games in ‘82 (.289 BA) and 86 games in ‘83 (.309). That guy was freakin amazing.
February 12th, 201011:07 am
CB-Gomes wouldn’t be a bad pickup as he could play first, too, but who would you leave off of the roster to include him? Hinske, who we just signed? You certainly couldn’t trade Diaz, Melky or McLouth to make room.
February 12th, 201011:08 am
CB, I dont think the Braves are looking for depth, I think they were wanting Damon for what he could do atop of the batting order.
February 12th, 201011:12 am
So, more snow in Mobile, Ala., than Vancouver, B.C. to begin the Winter Olympics….
February 12th, 201011:13 am
Ark. Transplant-Dude now you’re really out there in left field. Baldelli has been in the majors for over six years and NEVER had the ability of Hamilton, who also put up his good numbers after being picked up by a team that was really going nowhere, anyway. The situations re far from analogous.
And I ask you, just like I asked CB-who would you leave off of the roster or trade to make room for Baldelli? Sorry, but he is a relatively absurd suggestion. He wouldn’t give us anything we didn’t already have and wouldn’t be worth his cost or having to move a more productive player. He just wouldn’t. Maybe he would be a good pickup for a team that had no hope of playoff contention where he could put up a season that would show what he has. Unfortunately, he never has done that.
February 12th, 201011:14 am
Hey where’s DOB been? Haven’t heard anything from him this morning.
Yeah-What OJ just said. The Braves would only be interested in signing a PARTICULAR player for a SPECIFIC role. They aren’t just looking to fill their roster.
February 12th, 201011:15 am
DOB – when you headed down to Disney?
Arky Transplant – Hamilton has a bad back and is a big question mark going into this season. Why would you “take” him?
February 12th, 201011:16 am
If the Tigers offer is so much better than the Braves and what they are negotiating with Damon and Boras, they would have taken it by now, at least I’d think so. Don’t count Wren out just yet…he may be up to something
February 12th, 201011:17 am
They aren’t just looking to fill their roster.
Correct. They experimented with this style of roster construction when they signed Todd Pratt.
Lew makes good point about Gomes. Folks, if the Braves don’t land Damon, there aren’t other free agents available who potentially fill a need like he does — leadoff and daily (or almost daily) OF, the latter a need only if they decide Heyward’s not ready right away. And ideally, you don’t want to go to camp with fingers crossed hoping Heyward’s ready for opening day but having no backup plan — that is, a plan other than start both Diaz and Cabrera at the corners.
What Lew (10:57) said. Baldelli has his disease under control, but even with medication, he became so fatigued that he could not be counted on to play back-to-back games. In a few cases, had to be taken out of games he started because he wasn’t strong enough to finish them.
I was on the Baldelli bandwagon before the mitochondrial disorder was diagnosed. I’m just not at all sure he’ll ever be more than a very part-time player (like a 6th OF) from now on.
February 12th, 201011:18 am
Lew, Gomes would take the place of Conrad as utility guy,they could use Hinske as a possible 3rd base option. You also have Prado who can do infield utility,if necessary. OJ,I know Damon is not for depth.
RHR – Why would you “take” him?
All star outfielder, big bat and all around great player.. not real sure why I would want him.
February 12th, 201011:20 am
Yeah hopefully he’s trading Cabrera to free up some some to get Damon. Or not, either way i don’t care because I want to see Heyward and Schafer out there.
Greg in TN
It’s been a really goofy winter meteorogically speaking hasn’t it gang? Knoxville has gotten as much snow as I can remember, there’s the distinct possibility of snowflakes falling at 755 Hank Aaron Drive and even the Braves/MIB blog’s resident artist up in normally snowy Vermont hasn’t had that snowy of a Vermont winter (well, one of the resident artists, have to factor in McFann’s contributions because from everything I’ve heard, she’s got the talent also).
Everybody seems to be waiting for the decision from camp Damon in terms of whether or not Johnny D will opt to join #6 for his swan song in Atlanta, or take Mike Illitch’s enhanced (dare I say pizza, pizza enhanced) offer to play in Detroit.
I like the idea of adding Johnny D at the head of the lineup, however not at the 2-year/$14 million plateau that the Tigers are waving in his direction. I’m a little surprised that he hasn’t already agreed to that kind of contract, however I’m also not shocked at the idea of his agent trying to squeeze a little more water out of the sponges in other locales.
Should Damon opt to play his home games in Michigan, I don’t see any other options out there worth pursuing prior to ST down at Dark Star.
Glad this snow is staying south! I’m sick of it. My child hasn’t been to school
since Jan. 28.
February 12th, 201011:21 am
BFIR-You’re right. The Dude’s condition sucks – no doubt whatsoever. So did Kirby Puckett’s eye problems, Jeff Bagwell’s shoulder and Sandy Koufax’s arthritis. Sometimes no matter how good you’ve been or how much potential you might have, your body makes it necessary to find another endeavor. Tragic, perhaps, but it’s the way it sometimes is.
Baldelli’s future in MLB is limited at best.
BravePack12352 – don’t care because I want to see Heyward and Schafer out there.
I’m with you there.
February 12th, 201011:22 am
Lincecum and the Giants agree to a multiyear deal
February 12th, 201011:23 am
CB-Gomes still wouldn’t fit. Conrad can play middle infield positions. Gomes can’t.
February 12th, 201011:24 am
lew Gomes wouldn’t be a bad pickup as he could play first, too, but who would you leave off of the roster to include him? Hinske, who we just signed? You certainly couldn’t trade Diaz, Melky or McLouth to make room.
leave off heyward. the problem comes when heyward is ready to be called up. you have to send someone down. i think if we are looking for depth, you have to sign gomes to a minor league contract, so he can be sent down when heyward is ready.
but we already have mitch jones. now, gomes is probably better than mitch jones, but as much as i like gomes, i honestly dont see it as logistically necessary, considering the other pieces we have. i mean, you are really adding deep depth if you add jonny gomes at this point.
February 12th, 201011:25 am
Gomes ceased to be an option when Hinske was signed.
February 12th, 201011:27 am
DAP-Like I said Hinske = Gomes. His signing would be redundancy. Rather they take the mil or so he would cost and boost the offer to Damn. It would logically make much more sense.
If the Braves wanted Gomes, he would already have been signed.
Come on y’all – I know it’s a slow day, but really.
Lew,my five utility guys would be Infante,Hinske,Diaz,Ross and Gomes. Why would this not cover all needs, admit I may be overlooking something.
February 12th, 201011:29 am
CB-Sorry, but having Infante as the only middle infield option just won’t cut it.
Dude, it isn’t happening. It just isn’t. The time to sign Gomes would have been before Hinske’s signing.
February 12th, 201011:30 am
Like I said earlier, IF the Tigers had that contract on the table, wouldn’t Damon already be locked up?!
February 12th, 201011:31 am
CB, you only have one backup middle infielder on that list. Bobby’s not going to go with one backup middle infielder, I dare say. Not unless perhaps it was a case like Damon, where they wanted to keep Heyward and decided to carry Diaz and Melky both until they could trade one, something like that. But not to make room for Gomes. Too many limited guys on your list of bench players.
February 12th, 201011:33 am
OK, we’ll get a new blog up before long (said same thing yesterday — a few minutes before Braves decided to make another announcement about Glavine and hold a press conference).
February 12th, 201011:35 am
Maybe he’s hoping the Braves will bend over?
Boras that is
February 12th, 201011:36 am
The Braves could also just carry 1 less pitcher to start the season, it’s not like you need all that depth at the beginning as you would later in the season. Then problems are solved as to how many position players you could carry.
February 12th, 201011:38 am
lew Like I said Hinske = Gomes. His signing would be redundancy.
well i wouldnt say it like that, but yeah, i basically agree. before melky came on board, i envisioned a gomes/hinske platoon in LF that could be pretty productive. i would say that melky’s arrival makes gomes a non-issue more than hinske. but, thats my view of how the team is put together.
but yeah, gomes doesnt make too much sense at this point. youre right…no free agent really does except damon.
Did I miss something? ESPN is reporting that the Tigers have just offered Damon a 1 year/$7 million contract. Was that 2 year/$14 million rumor not true, or does ESPN have this wrong?
If it’s the latter, Tomahawkin’s gonna have a field day
February 12th, 201011:39 am
There’s absolutely not reason for Boras and Damon to quickly sign, patience is a virtue especially when your negotiating. Hasn’t anyone bought a car before?
[Waves white flag.] Everybody happy?
February 12th, 201011:40 am
….unless nomar can still play SS . (which i dont think he can). if he could, he might be an option for utility infielder.
Bank on it!
February 12th, 201011:41 am
Was that 2 year/$14 million rumor not true, or does ESPN have this wrong?
BSPN is the worst thing to ever happen to sports!!!! They get things wrong 94% of the time!! And all they ever talk about is David Wrong and Tim Elbow!!!
Gotta go!! The new Boyz 2 Men CD is coming out!
Jeffrey, Tigers offered two contracts, one for 1 year, and another for 2 years.
February 12th, 201011:42 am
There’s a report that Damon is looking at the braves or sox one year offer over the two year offer from the tigers.
It IS when someone is offering you an extra year(supposedly) and 10 Mil more dollars(supposedly).
February 12th, 201011:43 am
February 12th, 201011:44 am
SI – Jon Heyman
Nova Scotia Steve
C’mon Johnny….We want ya in Atlanta buddy…
Or at least this Braves fan does anyway….Does anyone here go on talkingchop.com???
Man I get frustrated with that blog/site…they’re moderator is so anti-damon and the people that go there are all following along…
February 12th, 201011:45 am
Arkansas Transplant, Ohhh, I want to read… ya gotta a link?
February 12th, 201011:46 am
If Heyman’s report is true, then the two-year offer never existed … Bank on it!
Nova Scotia-Agreed…I love Talking Chop but sometimes the moderators are so one-sided, which taints the reporting/news on the site…really anti-Damon over there, almost like he refuses to consider it.
I haven’t looked through the pages of the ol blog, but has anyone considered signing Damon and moving him at the trade deadline if Heyward takes off?
I know if Heyward plays well and Damon is himself, we should be in playoff contention. However, suppose Schafer plays out of his mind the first half in AAA? Would that make Damon expendable? Maybe we have some injuries that take us out of contention. I haven’t been in favor of signing Damon, but he sure would give us a lot of options.
February 12th, 201011:47 am
Rosenthal: The Tigers are prepared to offer Damon $14MM over two years. That makes them the favorite to acquire the outfielder, though we haven’t completely ruled out the Braves.
Rosenthal also says the White Sox aren’t major players to land Damon
February 12th, 201011:49 am
The thing I worry about if this Damon negotiating heats up and Wren is really serious about signing him. Wren may decide to offer more with the intent of moving Cabrera in return lower Cabrera’s trade value because every team out there would know they would have no other options but to move him.
Mike In H-Town
February 12th, 201011:50 am
“Or at least this Braves fan does anyway….Does anyone here go on talkingchop.com???
Man I get frustrated with that blog/site…they’re moderator is so anti-damon and the people that go there are all following along…”
Nova, I work for SB Nation at Battle Red Blog (Texans) and I know why this is. Because the TC Admin will ban anyone who disagrees with him.
Rosenthal also is usually behind and uninformed.
February 12th, 201011:51 am
Arkansas, that report states this:
“Damon was supposedly hankering for a multiyear deal. Yet, now that he is said to have offers for one and two years from the Tigers, he is thought to be considering taking a one-year offer from either them, the White Sox or Braves over the two-year offer.
Not sure if you saw that part, but ‘them’ means the Tigers. So its the Tigers, Sox, or Braves one year offer, not just the Braves and Sox
Love the playlist you had on your iPod, DOB.
But how can you do anything other than sing along when “Mama Tried” comes on? Seriously.
Last night on the drive home, my iPod went: “You Might Think,” by The Cars; Fleetwood Mac’s “Rattlesnake Shake”; B-52s “Big Bird”; Hank Snow’s “Would You Mind”; “Six Pack” by Black Flag; “A Country Boy Can Survive” by Hank Jr., a song I’ve listened to maybe three times in the last 25 years and yet, I can recall every line.
“We say grace, We say ma’am. If you ain’t into that, we don’t give a damn.” Love it.
Turned the radio back on and got Marley’s “Get Up, Stand Up,” and “Gloria” from Live Under a Blood Red Sky. (Adam Clayton! … This is The Edge!). Really wanted to crank that up but when you’re pulling into the neighborhood well after midnight, maybe not such a good idear.
One other question…. Can Glavine take over the Thrashers?
Told y’all Boras was being Boras at his Machiavellian best. If that two year deal ever existed, Damon’s name would have been on that dotted line so fast it couldn’t have been captured for instant replay.
February 12th, 201011:54 am
It has not snowed this hard for a continuous amount of time here in a long time. So pretty!
Wayne in Utah
February 12th, 201011:55 am
Agreed Lew on the 2 year for Damon…..not that I think Boras would spin that kinda thing.
Also, no way Bobby goes to war without a second middle infielder……or if he does, it would not be for very long. I would LOVE to see us go to Nomar’s people and see if a million would coax him into playing one more season. Same sort of experience that Damon has, but he plays a lot of positions, and is OK with a supporting role.
I guess I am dreaming.
You know if the braves are looking for a leadoff hitter, if the sox sign damon? won’t that make pierre available? I haven’t checked but doesn’t he still play for them?
Arkansas Transplant, Heyman says:
“Yet, at the moment, they [the Brave] appear to be running third in this derby.”
“And now, even that [$6 million dollars] may not be enough to make them a serious player here.”
“The Braves appear to be running behind the two AL Central rivalries right now.”
Which of these did you get “Damon is looking at the braves or sox one year offer over the two year offer from the tigers.”?????
February 12th, 201011:56 am
from the figures at Cots, in 2009 55% of the players made $500,000 or less. Pretty crazy.
February 12th, 201011:57 am
It hasn’t snowed here yet, but it’s supposedly about to. They went ahead and cancelled school. Northerners always make fun of us for freaking out when we get a little bit of school. Now we’re taking preemptive measures for a little bit of snow.
February 12th, 201011:58 am
Arkansas, you are talking Juan Pierre and Johnny Damon, two totally different birds of a feather. One is a perennial champ with no arm, the other is Juan Pierre. The Braves would only be going after Damon for leadoff because, well, because he is Johnny Freaking Damon!! They dont want noodle arm Pierre if they cant get Damon, sure they would be happy with Nate leading off and a platoon of Diaz and Cabrera in left.
February 12th, 201011:59 am
this line from heyman: They need offense, have done nothing to enhance their lineup this winter and are a perfect geographical fit or Damon, who lives in Orlando,
do you think this is the consensus around baseball? the braves havent done anything to improve the offense? i think that if people go into the season expect the braves to be a weak team offensively, they will be surprised.
you mean noodle arm damon?
February 12th, 201012:00 pm
If you ever want to see some real snow, come on out to my neck of the woods for a visit….or up Lew’s way!
The stuff is really beautiful, but after a while, you kinda get a little weary of it.
About 3 weeks ago, I was walking out to the truck, with just a tad bit of snow on the ground. Little did I know that there was a thin sheet of ice under it……well, you can guess what rear parts of me were sore for a few days!
Fun in the snow, for sure!
Gotta run folks…….let’s get some Nomar rumors going!!!
Nomar rumored to be coming to ATL for a world series push!!!
That was implied when i said one was a perennial champ with no arm.
February 12th, 201012:01 pm
I’ll tell ya what, next time I’ll just not share the article then to have you throw something back in my face that I miss read. It’s not like I tried to cover or make anything up.
February 12th, 201012:03 pm
Personally I’ve been saying all along the Braves should go out and sign Sam Tuttle.
I wonder why Heyman thinks Damon is doing “just fine” with this offer from the Tigers. He could’ve signed with the Yankees two months ago for virtually the same money. So how does spending what might be the last season of your career with the Tigers instead of the Yankees qualify as “just fine”?
February 12th, 201012:04 pm
I would like to see Nomar here in ATL.
just think what he could teach Yunel about batter box routines!
February 12th, 2010
February 12th, 201012:05 pm
Wayne-She’d do better to go to Virginia for snow than Vermont. We’ve had maybe a foot up here this winter and a good bit of it has melted. The ski resorts are closing trails – they can’t even MAKE enough snow to keep them open.
Arkansas Transplant, It’s kinda like you did make something up…. You said Heyman reported “Damon is looking at the braves or sox one year offer over the two year offer from the tigers.”
It’s not true. You made it up. Whether you did it intentionally or just miss read it, it’s still made up.
February 12th, 201012:07 pm
If I had made over $90 mil in my career (I can’t even DREAM that much) and Atlanta had offered me $6 mil while the Tigers had offered $7, no way I would consider moving to Detroit.
Of course housing IS cheap up there. NO one wants to live there.
February 12th, 201012:10 pm
Wayne, I’ve been to SLC before, in the winter too. Absolutely beautiful! But I can see how folks would get sick of it much like we get sick of the constant rain. I hate cold weather myself, but I do enjoy an occasional snow.
The reports of Atlanta offering what? something like 4 or 4.5 million with some of that deferred? Have you read anything about the 4 or 5 million with added deferred money? Anthony Castrovince with MLB was referring to the offer in that manner.
February 12th, 201012:13 pm
February 12th, 2010
You just proved me right.. damon is looking at the braves and sox 1 year over the tigers 2 year offer.
February 12th, 201012:16 pm
Lew, I agree on Detroit. Too cold and depressing. But according to a Boras quote in the Detroit Free Press he would like to live there. “Johnny came to me about Detroit. He told me, If I can’t play for the Yankees, I want you to let the Tigers know I want to play for them. I can make that team a winner.’ ”
February 12th, 201012:17 pm
sidslidkid: That’s an old article and was before the Braves made an offer. But I do remember reading that and sure it has some weight
February 12th, 201012:18 pm
“I could have been a contender!” nice qoute.
BRING JOHNNY TO ATLANTA!!!!
February 12th, 201012:23 pm
Love the playlist you had on your iPod, DOB.
But how can you do anything other than sing along when “Mama Tried” comes on? Seriously. — StingerSplash
Oh, I do. At least sing the chorus, as I’m going from station to station in the gym. And since 98 percent of the other people have on earphones as well, I trust that most can’t hear me. I hope I’m right.
February 12th, 201012:30 pm
its funny to watch the older/non serious runners on the treadmills. They are usually running slow enough to sing and you can hear them all LOL.
Just put in an online order for Chipotle…. gotta go…
February 12th, 201012:31 pm
Hopefuuly fw is talking to Boras right now,With Glavine bye his side
February 12th, 201012:32 pm
“You certainly couldn’t trade Diaz, Melky or McLouth to make room.” Lew
Why not? If you don’t deem them to be everyday players, but you would demm Gomes to be one, then why aren’t Melky or Diaz expendable? I don’t understand the logic.
Either they’re good enough to play everyday, in which case you don’t need Gomes, or they’re backup OF’s and if that’s the case, we really only need one of them. Especially since ONE of Heyward or Schafer would be able to contribute at some point this year. And if not, then there is Hinske.
Gomes showed some pop last year. 20 HR in 98 games (.879 OPS). But he’s a career .241 hitter in 1545 AB. Diaz is a career .310 hitter in 1280 career AB.
Just not seeing the need to “upgrade” to Gomes over Diaz. Though Diaz is making 2.2 million next year. If Gomes could be had for 1 million, and the Braves ownership is as cheap as everybody makes them out to be. Then yeah. I suppose it’s a fit.
But I see ZERO reason to have two “Diaz” type players on the roster. So if Wren likes Gomes more than Diaz, then Diaz must go, right?
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