1:54 am February 5, 2010, by David O'Brien
February 11th, 20109:11 pm
oh you mean decisiveness or dissension
February 11th, 20109:12 pm
I’m loving this ridiculous argument regarding Mets vs. Braves. Much BS flying on both sides.
February 11th, 20109:13 pm
Memo to Chris who posted at 7:52 about Glavine’s 300th. Braves fans were able to deal with Niekro winning his 300th with Cleveland after pitching for the YANKEES for two years. Home is where the heart is, and Glav will be a key member of the organization for years to come — not to mention a candidate to replace Bobby!
Eric In Albany N.Y.
my favorite tv shows…
1 Braves baseball games
2 Family Guy (new or re runs it doesnt matter i can watch them 24/7)
3 Mets Post Game Show after a loss!
February 11th, 20109:14 pm
divisiveness or dissension. It would help if I could type huh?
February 11th, 20109:16 pm
I think Eric meant “adversity”.
Do you think factors such as playing for Bobby in his last year of managing and having a better chance of winning in Atlanta than in Detroit would have an impact on Damon’s decison. I know with Boras money is everything but is money everything to Damon as well? I guess so?
February 11th, 20109:18 pm
When people say they want to play for a manager its a bunch of bs! if that means anything it would have been easier to sign a number of players last year. $ talks managers just manage!
February 11th, 20109:21 pm
Lew: We all have to live within our means – that’s what budgets are all about
I understand. But after my favoritte team makes an offer for a guy they think will improve the team, and then loses him to a slightly better offer, I’m not going to sit back and proudly boast, “My favorite team just saved money.”
I admit I do take pride in my favorite team making great trades and signing great players for good value. But this situation is neither. This isn’t a Mike Hampton, Barry Zito or even Andruw Jones style signing. Damon would stil be getting a 50% paycut on a two year deal. Hardly something that would cripple the team.
The difference in ownership I’m reflecting on is, the Ted Turners, Mike Iltch and Stienbrenners of the world have budgets. But when the brain trust they put in charge of the team says, you know what, this guy might just put us over the top as a team, but it will also require a smidge more than the current budget to get him, that owner does it. The current owner of the Braves doesn’t.
Plus, I’d really like to see Heyward start the season in the minors. I know. I’ve heard. I’ve read the press. He is the savior of the team and the true big bat that is to be acquired. I’ve read where Cox disagrees with practically every baseball writer and analyst on the planet, that Heyward will actually get to play against even the tough lefties. And I’ve read where many have said the unproven rookie with less than 210 at bats above A ball is the missing link, taking a team from also ran to World Series contender. But I’d personally like to have a little more offense on the team in any way, shape or form, that could sustain the team in the event Heyward turns out to actually be a rookie instead of the next coming of Babe Ruth.
You can never have too much pitching. And you can also never have too much hitting.
DOB, Glavine said the following about his release last summer:
“But it didn’t work out, and the guy they brought up here and took my place did pretty well, so it’s hard to argue with all that.”
This is the 2nd time (or maybe the 3rd), that I’ve seen Glavine, while being quoted, reference Tommy Hanson without saying his name. Do you think that it’s intended? And if it is, doesn’t he soon have to get over that, since now he’s the assistant to the president of the club?
After all, no matter how bitter the feelings are (and certainly it’s not Hanson’s fault), he is now in a position, where he MUST speak highly of the organization when discussing players and prospects.
I’d be real interested to know what (if any) Glavine and Hanson have with each other, and if Glavine is in Florida for spring training, would love to be a fly on the wall while they talk.
Just reminds me of the old veteran Eddie Harris from Major League and Rick “Wild Thing” Vaughn talking in the clubhouse.
Vaughn: “You put SNOT on the ball?”
Harris: “I haven’t got an arm like you, kid. I have to put anything on it I can find. Someday you will too…”
Ahh. The circle of life in MLB. Out with the old, in with the new.
February 11th, 20109:26 pm
Personally, I’m perfectly fine with the Braves not signing Damon. Doesn’t bother me one bit.
February 11th, 20109:27 pm
I could see the Braves going to 1 year $6-7 million before I see them going to a 2 year deal
I’ve been listening to a lot of Jake Shimabukuro, since you linked him up. The dude’s talented. I never even knew the ukulele could sound like that.
I’m not sure what I thought it sounded like, but when I hear the word, “ukulele”, mostly what I think of is the backround music to women dancing with grass skirts.
Is it possible, that in a past life, I was an Arthur Godfrey fan?
February 11th, 20109:28 pm
reyes the dumbest thing you’ve said this entire time is that jose reyes is in an entire different league than escobar. escobar could be an all star in the very near future while your reyes cant stay healthy or produce near as well as yunel
February 11th, 20109:30 pm
I believe Omar What’s his name will be gone along with Jerry Manuel before the All Star break.
Soph im with you 100%
The Mets don’t even know if Reyes can run flat out at all, much steal bases.
February 11th, 20109:33 pm
“reyes the dumbest thing you’ve said this entire time is that jose reyes is in an entire different league than escobar.”
Jose is in a different league, bush league. He’s a Met, or used to be. His best years are behind him.
Andrew in PA
February 11th, 20109:34 pm
Eric, only in Queens.
February 11th, 20109:36 pm
Good one, Andrew! (not that there’s anything wrong with that)
hmmm queens and the bronx… they are all pretty boys
alrhough escobar needs to do something about those highlights… whos with me?
Wayne in Utah
February 11th, 20109:39 pm
Best of luck to Bill Clinton on his recuperation! How many years now have they been doing these stints? Medical improvements are really adding to the quality of life for folks these days. Good luck “Slick Willie!”
Johnny Damon, where art thou? (contract wise?)
Jason Heyward too big????? Nah. You can’t teach that kind of big!
February 11th, 20109:40 pm
“the Mets have announced the signing of catcher Shawn Riggans” “Riggans had a rough 2009, hitting .143 in seven major league games with Tampa Bay, and posting just a .233/.298/.314 line in three minor league stops.”
Oh, my! Those Melts just keep getting better!
February 11th, 20109:42 pm
how many major league contracts did the mets sign people to so far for the 2010 season?
February 11th, 20109:47 pm
One other person familiar with the Braves’ situation said he believed they have as much as $7 million remaining in their budget after a mostly quiet winter.
DOB any chance you know who believes this?
Eric from MO
February 11th, 20109:53 pm
N8 I never thought about it, but I dont think its intentional. It could be, but I dont think so. Glavine has been pretty professional throughout his whole career.
February 11th, 201010:00 pm
Nate, I took that to mean that if you know the story, you know the man’s name. If you’re not familiar with the story, there’s no sense in bringing his name up.
I think Glavine wanted to as much as he could (given the question), to not make it look like it was Hanson’s fault.
Tenn Paul – “I understand. But after my favoritte team makes an offer for a guy they think will improve the team, and then loses him to a slightly better offer, I’m not going to sit back and proudly boast, “My favorite team just saved money.”
The Tigers offer was for 2 years total $14Mill, the Braves offer was 1 year $4.5 Mill, that is a way better offer not slightly better.
February 11th, 201010:02 pm
maybe the Braves can sweeten their offer by hooking up Damon with Geico for some caveman commercials
February 11th, 201010:06 pm
DOB, do you think the Braves will make another offer,closer to the Tigers? Or was it this is what we can do and a take it of leave it kinda deal.
February 11th, 201010:09 pm
Frenchy-…and WHO???? Heyward is unproven, Diaz can’t hit righties, Cabrera just can’t hit period.
Diaz ain’t the only one who can’t hit righties:
Diaz against righthanders, career: .276/.334/.387/.721
Frenchy against righthanders, career: .260/.300/.410/.710
Cabrera ain’t the only one who can’t hit period:
Frenchy, career OPS+: 92
Melky, career OPS+: 88
February 11th, 201010:10 pm
iopbrave – no kidding. Maybe they could resurrect the sit com of cavemen living in Atlanta
February 11th, 201010:15 pm
Brian, cavemen in Atlanta will never work; no such thing. If you want to see cavemen in abundance, go anywhere outside Atlanta in any direction throughout our great state.
I’ve had my problems with Glavine over the years, but what he just said and the way he handled this whole situation is classy enough for me to give him a clean slate. Smoltz could benefit from observing.
February 11th, 201010:19 pm
Will Kawakami be successful after being seen more in the league with his incredibly mediocre stuff?
Kawakami would be the #2 starter in the Mets’ “rotation.”
February 11th, 201010:21 pm
Reyes 2010-Have you convinced yourself yet that the Mets are good? Doesn’t matter if all your injured players DO come back and have productive seasons since you have terrible pitching. You may have some good hitters – when healthy and they haven’t shown yet that they are – but you;re hardly the Phillies in that little ballpark and you don’t have the pitching to make the difference.
Hell, I don’t know. Maybe Bay CAN pitch. He sure doesn’t tear up the outfield.
February 11th, 201010:22 pm
I thought, Kawakami, considering all the adjustments he had to make, pitched quite well.
February 11th, 201010:24 pm
Hey, Grinch – bite me.
My god! I’m on at the same time as Lew. Either I’m here early, or Lew is here late, or my damn clock is broken.
February 11th, 201010:25 pm
All my shows were great tonight!!!! Community was funny as always, and The Office seems to be getting back to the original outline, if you dont know what that means, you will just have to watch the show. But thought it was pretty damn good.
February 11th, 201010:27 pm
It’s always cool to see someone you know do well isn’t it? Riley Benock was just wee tike when I was back in Middle/High School. I even remember riding the buss with all of the Benock’s…now he’s playing major college ball at Miss St. and making a difference. Pretty cool, especially since we were such a small school/area.
February 11th, 201010:31 pm
The Office seems to be getting back to the original outline OJ
not meaning any insult to you, but IMO thjat’s the second most over rated show on tv.
February 11th, 201010:33 pm
Tom-Nah, just here a bit later than usual. Been working on a Tommy Hanson drawing for ST and took a break. Almost didn’t log back on just now to go work some more, but couldn’t resist a dig at yet another delusional Mets’ fan.
February 11th, 201010:36 pm
Moby, not an insult to me personally. Its not as if you said, all people that watch that show are absolute morons. But do tell in your opinion why you think it is overrated. And, what is your most overrated, since it is second?
February 11th, 201010:37 pm
Daybed Wagmoe wrote:
Which should tell you how woeful the Mets’ rotation is.
February 11th, 201010:42 pm
I just heard a sound track from a movie I recognized instantly as The Bridge of Sighs by Robin Trower. That has to be from over 25 years ago, but it was great music.
February 11th, 201010:43 pm
We should have a pool on Mr. Grape’s most over-rated show on TV. It has to be a show that’s highly rated, to begin with (duh).
I’m gonna say, “American Idol”.
February 11th, 201010:44 pm
OJ just doesn’t make me laugh that’s all I can say.I know lots of people who like it too like you do.
American Idol is the most overrated by far.. and any reality show. ugh
February 11th, 201010:45 pm
9:29pm: MLB.com’s Scott Merkin concurs, adding that he believes the White Sox have about $4MM to offer Damon.
why would the tigers offer so much? both teams interested are offering 1 year 4 or 5 million and detriot offers 14
February 11th, 201010:46 pm
oops, used the laptop again without checking.
that were me, nolie, not that bum Moby who seldom posts anymore so I forget to switch when he has. good excuse huh? It’s all his fault.
February 11th, 201010:48 pm
Hah!! I win the pool!
February 11th, 201010:51 pm
I win the pool! TOM
I hope you can sim
February 11th, 201010:52 pm
SWIM!!! getting time for a new laptop, these keys stick. must be Moby’s fault too. or his dang family at least.
February 11th, 201010:53 pm
For those asking why the Tigers would offer so much, essentially bidding against themselves, must I bring up Arod’s 10 year/250 million dollar deal with the Rangers? The Braves were the alleged 2nd highest bidder on Arod at 8 years/125 million.
Sometimes you just have to jack up the offer, if you truly want the guy (and a good agent can cause you – as a GM – to think the guy is going to take the other guy’s offer).
Maybe Detroit REALLY wants Damon, and Boras told them that Detroit is 3rd on his list of possible destinations, but the right offer could change that?
Maybe Damon has told Boras that he’d prefer Atlanta, but their offer is too low, and if the Tigers guarantee a 2nd year at X-amount of money, then consider it a done deal?
Why do rich people at auctions all of the sudden in a tight bid, jack their offer up in a huge increment? When somebody really wants something, money isn’t an issue.
IE: The Braves really don’t want Damon that bad, unless the price dropped to a point where they just couldn’t pass it up. Where, last season after being spurned on the free agent and trade market, they went HARD CORE after Derek Lowe. They had to have him (in Wren’s mind).
Wren isn’t as desperate for Johnny Damon as he was for Derek Lowe last year, and the offer proves that.
February 11th, 201010:55 pm
Don’t worry, it was a very small pool. It seems as though I was the only one in. (can you imagine my embarrasment if I had lost?)
February 11th, 201010:57 pm
nolie, I think you just ticked-off your buddy, scoots, with that correction.
February 11th, 201010:59 pm
Put that coffee down. Coffee’s for closers.
Oh. Whaddya know? I just looked up the A-Rod contract story from 2000 and totally forgot. That contract was negotiated by none other than…
Scott Boras. Go figure.
February 11th, 201011:00 pm
well as long as you ain’t gonna drown.
What are you watching Glen Gary Glenn Ross again, DOB?
February 11th, 201011:01 pm
Wayne in Utah
February 11th, 2010
Best of luck to Bill Clinton on his recuperation! How many years now have they been doing these stints?
Two bypasses and five stents later, I’m living proof that these things work.
gee Nate I thought that was part of your whole process cause it was Scotty
February 11th, 201011:06 pm
And we are the better for it, for sure!
February 11th, 201011:08 pm
I think Boras has pictures……
February 11th, 201011:10 pm
February 11th, 2010
Why do rich people at auctions all of the sudden in a tight bid, jack their offer up in a huge increment? When somebody really wants something, money isn’t an issue.
The purpose it to close the bidding out. Say you have a set price beyond which you will not bid (something you should always do), and as the bidding progresses, the pricing inches closer to your pre-conceived level. Jump the bidding to a figure slightly less, being mindful of any premiums due, and see if that shuts the other bidders out. If not, re-evaluate and let the item pass, or raise your monetary threshold. But never, never lose your cool, and bid in a frenzy. You can’t afford to marry an item, by winning the bid through spite, unless you’re mindful that you will probably never get your money out of it later.
February 11th, 201011:14 pm
Just saw on ESPN bottom line that the Tigers have offered Damon a 1 year deal according to ESPN sources
February 11th, 201011:17 pm
Five reasons why Jermaine Dye is unemployed-Neyer
February, 11, 2010
7:08 PM ET
Why is Jermaine Dye, just one season removed from 34 home runs and 96 RBI, still looking so desperately for lucrative employment? Joe Pawlikowski offers four reasons:
1. Lousy second half of 2009
2. No longer hitting the ball hard to right field
3. Line-drive rate in 2009 the lowest of career
4. Maybe the worst defensive right fielder in majors
Those are pretty good reasons, though I have to wonder how many teams are even aware of them.
Dave Cameron’s got a fifth reason: Dye is right-handed. I’ll let him explain …
At this point in his career, Dye is essentially a DH who might be able to fake it at first base, depending on how hard he works at it. He’s not an outfielder anymore, not at 36-years-old and coming off a four year stretch of -20 UZRs. And, because of the physics of throwing across the infield, right-handed 1B/DH types just aren’t all that appealing.
Even if Dye can outproduce a comparable left-handed hitter by 5 or 10 percent, managers are going to prefer a balanced line-up, so that opposing managers can’t just shut down their offense with specialist relievers in every close game. And as a right-handed 1B/DH type, Dye threatens every team he may join with a lack of balance in their line-up.
Not only does he need to find a team that is interested in an aging DH, but he needs to find one that doesn’t have too many right-handed infielders on the roster. It should be no surprise that, given how many restrictions there are on teams who may be interested in his services, that there just isn’t much of a market for him.
If you’re a right-handed hitter, you don’t want to end up in the 1B/DH pool. Do whatever you can to sustain your defensive abilities at another position, because once you’re down that far on the defensive spectrum, your career as an everyday player is probably close to being over.
I have no idea if there’s any empirical basis underlying Cameron’s explanation. It’s one hell of a theory, though.
February 11th, 201011:28 pm
Until the Braves say they have pulled out of the bidding, we have to take JS at his word that they are engaged with Damon. I suspect they will up their offer and see what happens. If Damon really wants to play for Bobby in Atlanta, Wren will make a competitive 1 year offer to allow that to happen. Money may not be everything to this guy. We shall see.
February 11th, 201011:29 pm
WAR totals for 500 players. Ruth first, Bonds 2nd, Chipper 39th right now.
February 11th, 201011:40 pm
Given Glavine’s lengthy tenure as a player rep, can you really see him sitting with Wren at the table trying to finagle a contract with some player and his agent?
And who’s the Braves’ player rep now?
February 11th, 201011:43 pm
“WAR”? W t h d t m? I w p, t k h t t, w s t w t f-s k. S!
February 11th, 201011:46 pm
anyone here taken noxplode or superpump 250? which one is better
Shanks A Lot
I’m calling shenanigans on 2yr/14mil for Damon until it’s official. It’s been mentioned before, but why deal Granderson (who is younger, cheaper and better) to sign Damon for more money when there is virtually no market for him.
February 11th, 201011:47 pm
WAR = wins above replacement ( I think)
February 11th, 201011:48 pm
Wins Above Replacement player. WAR attempts to summarize nearly everything that a player does — fielding, running and (especially) hitting — and boil it all down to a single number of wins that a player has contributed, above what a “replacement player” might have done. 39th is good though it is cumulative so some might pass him.
February 11th, 201011:51 pm
(who is younger, cheaper and better) SAL
he really fell off as a hitter last year and he has very poor L/R splits. and they got some decent prospects in the two combined trades.
February 11th, 201011:55 pm
Shanks A Lot, thanks a lot. (ouch) You too, nolie
Gotta go, ‘nite all.
February 11th, 201011:58 pm
acording to the mlb chanell this damon thing aint a given.
dont really care either way, but they say detriot aint is first choice.
February 12th, 201012:01 am
it’s true that Granderson did tail off last year, low ops for him. I wish one of the Braves outfielders could have a “bad” year and still hit 30 bombs and swipe. 20 bags.
February 12th, 201012:03 am
tampa has apparently made a pretty rich one year deal.
for all those that hate boras give up. i would want him working for me.
why cant you understand that there is a small window to setting up them for life.
February 12th, 201012:06 am
Given Glavine’s lengthy tenure as a player rep, can you really see him sitting with Wren at the table trying to finagle a contract with some player and his agent? — StingerSplash
I’ve gotta say, no, I can’t envision that happening.
February 12th, 201012:08 am
wayne, you know i love you, but this is what a good agent does.
from you a free market person? i have no problem with this.
never limit what a ceo can make and dont limit what anyone can make.
if he gets the money that is offered please dont complain about it.
it’s true that Granderson did tail off last year, low ops for him. I wish one of the Braves outfielders could have a “bad” year and still hit 30 bombs and swipe. 20 bags. S A L
yeah. I’m just repeating what i heard from friends in Detroit. I guess they musta thought it was worth it overall.
Steve from OH
February 12th, 201012:10 am
DOB–nice to see Glav back in the fold. Do you think he and Wren can have a cordial working relationship, or is Glav working purely for Schuerholz, with no work under Wren at all (at least, do you think)? I appreciate the updates all day!
Oh, and what’s your take on Indian food? For my money, it’s pretty darn good…
Nick in PA
February 12th, 201012:11 am
Anybody else on the Braves radar if they don’t get Damon? Since it seems they have some money left to spend.
February 12th, 201012:14 am
let’s see Ohio… would that be Shawnee Indian food, Steve?
Yeah, me neither. It’s as awkward as the cast from Jersey Shore at an opera.
Dan Shaughnessy (CHB! CHB!) says the Mets have lowered their center field fence by 8 feet and that No-mah has auditioned for ESPN and MLB Network.
or maybe Miami up in your area?
February 12th, 201012:15 am
DOB, who is the player rep for the Braves now?
February 12th, 201012:17 am
Just came back and hit refresh after posting my last post. Before I tear you a new #$@-whole, SoWeGa, what exactly are you referring to? Cause i don’t remember addressing you about anything today. Did you mean forgiving Glavine? Wren cut him down to size proper (which I applauded loud and hard at the time, like maybe two other people in the ATL) and he came back with his head even. Good enough for me. Did I insult Smoltz? You bet I did, and I’ll knock out 50 reasons why if nec. What in particular rattled your chain? I’ll retract it or yank the %$#@ out of it as you please.
damon had a monster year last year. what .290 24 80.
dont care he played in yankee stadium. if anyone blames him for taking a 14 million dollar deal is a moron.
we sit here and judge, but at the end of the day i challenge anyone of you to turn down that money.
February 12th, 201012:21 am
GRinch, Maybe he was reacting to your post about cavemen in points outside of Atlanta?
February 12th, 201012:23 am
uga-brave, who is saying he shouldn’t take the money?
turn it down? not me UGA, I take it and run hide it right away.
February 12th, 201012:26 am
circle is complete. glav is no idiot. make nice and draw a nice salary.
pretty sure the mets would not give him, the “assistant to the presidents title.”
i will always be a huge fan of the ” big three,” but their paths changed.
February 12th, 201012:30 am
so all the glav lovers, haters, now love him?
because he is in the organization. for me i always loved him.
i will never dislike somebody because somebody offered him more money.
Frank from KS (now living in CO)
February 12th, 201012:31 am
The first *Major League* is the best baseball movie there is. The 2nd one was alright, but could not match the 1st one.
“Forget the curve ball Ricky, give’em a heater”
February 12th, 201012:33 am
nolie, at the end of the day, it matters how many steaks you have in the freazer. period.
these guys have a short window.
February 12th, 201012:36 am
Oh…good point, nolie. I just went back and looked. Yeah, believe it or not that wasn’t intended as a derogatory statement; rather the opposite. I was born in the mountains and just lived 10 years in Swainsboro. I actually meant Atlanta was full of yuppies and thugs, and the real men were to be found on the outside. I view Atlanta as a good place to occasionally go into for cultural reasons, but otherwise it’s like Rio vs. the rest of Brazil. They don’t belong together. The opposite of chocolate and peanut butter. I live just outside of Atlanta because I inherited my house. But I’m no Atlantan. I’m damn sure a Georgian, though. My bad for misrepresenting.
February 12th, 201012:39 am
I don’t know Uga. I don’t love him or hate him, he’s just another one-time good Braves pitcher.Didn’t anger me that he left for NY. I didn’t think they should have re-signed him but not for that reason, just thought he was done. Don’t think he was mistreated when let go either. They allowed him to finish rehab on their nickel so at least he was fit when looking for another position. They coulda cut him b4 he finished but they didn’t. as it turned out it didn’t matter cause nobody wanted him, but they didn’t know it would turn out that way when the kept paying for his rehab. If he wants to get back into beisball, welcome back Tom. Good luck, but I still don’t love him ot hate him.
February 12th, 201012:44 am
I don’t love Glavine in the slightest. I’ll just no longer boo him ’cause he seems to have accepted reality and come back with an even keel. The hatchet is buried on my end, but love doesn’t factor into it. He always was a mercenary and now he’s less so. Good for him. I don’t give a rip one way or the other, save it shuts up a few Wren haters.
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