1:54 am February 5, 2010, by David O'Brien
February 5th, 20102:01 am
is this what you and nolie referred to as traditional jazz? TOM
I tried to explain it in previous blog. Brubeck would be considered Be-Bop or cool jazz I guess. That is what many think of as traditional jazz. His is usually a bit more melodic than some. Try Miles Davis Kind of Blue if you can find it. It along with Take Five are two of the most popular and most respected albums cut.
February 5th, 20102:02 am
Not starting him in Atlanta if he has a good camp would just be plain dumb.
February 5th, 20102:05 am
nolie, I’ll try. I do have (inherited) Miles Davis’ “Bitches Brew”. Do you like that one?
February 5th, 20102:06 am
February 5th, 20102:07 am
on the subject of jazz, its not very traditional, but has anyone listened to Addison Groove Project? more of a jam band if you are into that kind of scene, but definitely a lot of jazz influence.
NO MORE BOBBY
February 5th, 20102:08 am
My all star Bobby Cox managed team.
C – Javy Lopez (sorry Mac)
1B – Fred McGriff
2B – Glen Hubbard
SS – Rafael Furcal
3B – Chipper Jones
LF – Gary Matthews
CF – Dale Murphy
RF – David Justice
P – John Smoltz
I know Matthews played RF but I wanted him on the team. Ha!
Chuck James can Potentially be Solid until the 6th again!!!
February 5th, 20102:09 am
Damn, good stuff DOB!
In regards to your post on the last blog, let’s not talk if Chipper gets hurt, let’s not go there…. I don’t think June will be to late either. Guess we’ll have to wait and see. In regards to your Hudson predictions, homer or not, I’m right there with you. Just hearing the way he’s talking AFTER his extension is very encouraging. I could see if he was saying this lobbying for a new contract but he’s set and poised to have a career year and quite frankly I can’t wait. I think this will be Hudson’s best year this year…..
In regards to Glaus, if he can hit .270 with 25 HR’s 85 RBI and 130 Games I’ll be thrilled… Hinske spelling him at 1B the other 30 games. That is what I am expecting and hoping from 1B this year. To think they have gone in with Kotchman and Thorman in past year, YIKES! This team is overall improved in regards to balance. There is no guy like Kelly, Francoeur, Schafer or even Kotchman for that matter where you look at them and go “This won’t be hard…”. Everybody top to bottom is a legitimate threat..
February 5th, 20102:10 am
thorman, people that that was a good idea?
February 5th, 20102:11 am
Damn! Guess i shoulda thrown a FIRST! in there at the beginning. Missed my first first. I’m Sooo embarrassed.
February 5th, 20102:15 am
nolie, that album was easy to find. Listening to “So What” (1st song) now. I’ve heard this quite a bit on XM.
richbrave, I could only play “Tangerine” and “Autumn Leaves” off the “Together” album. However, the last song, “Concierto De Aranjuez”, I was able to listen to by Jim Hall (?). Man, that’s a nice, mellow song.
February 5th, 20102:18 am
Very nice blog!!! Way to go DOB. Im ready for Damon to sign wherever he may so i can quit looking for updates hourly everyday.
February 5th, 20102:19 am
Damn! Guess i shoulda thrown a FIRST! in there at the beginning. Missed my first first. I’m Sooo embarrassed
nolie, your sophistication is showing.
TOM Bitches Brew is very good but kind of a change to a bit more popular sound by Davis. Some credit this as the beginning of Fusion, not sure I agree with that but it is less traditional than his previous work. You might enjoy it more than Kind of Blue although I don’t like it quite as well. Neither are as melodic as Brubeck usually is and you might like him best .
nolie, I’d go with Kind of Blue first, but also In A Silent Way or Miles Ahead. Then Sketches of Spain and The Birth of the Cool.
But Bitches Brew is also terrific when you’re in the mood for it. I also like his Tribute to Jack Johnson.
Gotta love Miles Davis.
And Coltrane — Giants Steps and Blue Train. Especially Blue Train.
How ’bout Thelonious Monk? Cannonball Adderley? Great stuff.
I love working to some mellow Ellis Marsalis on piano. He always played at Snug Harbor on Fridays when my sister lived in New Orleans.
For vocals, especially late at night or in the morning, you can’t beat Billie Holliday, Nina Simone, Ella, Dinah Washington … all jazz to varying degrees, and all terrific.
February 5th, 20102:23 am
Tom Jim Hall is great. There are a lot of great jazz guitarists. Some more traditional like hall, others more Fusion oriented oriented like DiMeola.
three of the top Jazz guitarists in the world. John McLaughlin, Al Dimeola, and Paco de Lucia combine their talents in several albums. What great playing. I believe THE GUITAR TRIO is the name of one of them.
February 5th, 20102:25 am
That was a good piece on Javy and makes you wonder who else on Braves got a big contract after a monster year.That was baseball and that’s life.Some walk,some talk and some go to Canton,maybe.
February 5th, 20102:26 am
DOB yeah you gotta kinda be in the right mood for Bitches Brew. Kind of I don’t know..hectic at places??
Shanks A Lot
February 5th, 20102:31 am
How do you leave Andruw out?
1B- Galarraga/McGriff platoon
3B- Chipper Jones
CF- Andruw Jones
LF- Dale Murphy
RF- David Justice
February 5th, 20102:34 am
Look at DOB rattling off the jazz. I’m quite sure I don’t know anyone with such far-ranging musical tastes as you, Mr. O’Brien.
nolie, I like Miles Davis more than Brubek. My father was a sax player and taught me, when I was very young. I always loved to play, and listen to, “Take Five”.
Btw what is Gary Mathews sr doing on your all Cox team? Also I’ll take Maddog in his prime over Smoltz any day of the week
February 5th, 20102:36 am
If anyone missed it, I put up a poll after posting the initial blog, about Heyward’s ETA. It’s up there now. Exercise your voting rights.
February 5th, 20102:40 am
You’ve been burning the midnight oil lately. Any special reason?
February 5th, 20102:47 am
DOB, I’d like to see you run that poll again, near the end of ST.
nolie, I have some John McLaughlin albums. Man, sometimes he really gets out there, ya know? Guitarists are my favorite, both rock and jazz (and what I used to call, jazz-rock, before the term “fusion”). I’m not familiar with Paco de Lucia. I’ll have to check him out. Dimeola is one of my favorites. Do you like Coryell?
February 5th, 20102:50 am
dob, loves the replacements, gotta love the album tim. for you haters give it a chance.
if not give rem’s . new adveture in hi-fi a chance.. wake up bomb.
February 5th, 20102:52 am
O’Hawke, I don’t know jazz like I do rock, country or R&B/soul, that’s for sure. Not like Nolie or some others here. But I do love older jazz, mostly some of the masters like Coltrane, Duke Ellington (dig the big band sound), and Miles and “Bird,” Charlie Parker (he’s from Kansas City). And love some of the singers, especially Holliday and Simone. Also have several albums by Chet Baker, who looked like James Dean and could both sing and play the trumpet like a bad mother. But the drugs did him in way too early, like so many others.
February 5th, 20102:54 am
Shanks a Lot: By the end of the offseason I’m generally staying up to 3-4 a.m., getting up about 9. Whole schedule will shift dramatically for seven weeks of spring training, then back to about 2-3 a.m. falling to sleep once the season begins, and up about 9. Except on travel days, when I usually am up at some ungodly hour like 4 a.m. for a flight.
Gil In Mechanicsville
February 5th, 20102:55 am
DOB… You’ are a better man than I, I could not get my BBQ to last that long. I am too much of a “cue” junkie…. However, there is a little place in Ashland VA called the Virginia Bar-B-Cue Company that makes some really good bar-b-cue. Not to be confused with the “Smokey Pig” which has really gone down hill in the past several years.
I do love Parker’s however and Bill’s too. I try to make a stop a one or the other in my trips to Holden Beach. By the way, hope to see you at spring training this year as the wife and I are headed to Sarasota to visit the youngest son in March…
February 5th, 20102:56 am
then again there was a geaat drummer? bill berry?
February 5th, 20103:09 am
TOM yeah I like Coryell. some other great jazz guitarists
February 5th, 20103:15 am
Oh and Can’t forget Joe Pass Tom
February 5th, 20103:16 am
Anybody else thinks that smile on Heyward in the photo DOB put with the blog, reminds them of the young smile on one Ken Griffey Jr.?
I guess if I was that good, and getting a shot to win a job with my childhood favorite team, knowing that big money is around the corner, I’d smile too.
Other than Chipper coming up as a September callup late in 93, this has to be the first 1st round draft pick to be this close to making his debut for the Braves since the run began. I think Avery made a quick rise up the minors. But it’s crazy to think that 2 years ago we were all saying that in 3 or 4 years this kids going to make an impact, and here he is. And he wasn’t even a top 10 pick.
February 5th, 20103:19 am
I can take the Dixie Dregs in small doses. That was Steve Morse wasn’t it nolie? I had a couple albums growing up, but now that I mention it I don’t think I have any of it on CD or on my iPod. Same goes for Al Di Meola. Guy is just incredible. But after a while you can’t take it anymore. LOL
February 5th, 20103:20 am
And he wasn’t even a top 10 pick. N8
and that in itself is very perplexing. He was rated higher than our pick by everybody on the planet. I was amazed he lasted. I wonder if he let it be know to teams that he would be harder to sign if not by the Braves? He did have college option. It sure wasn’t just on talent level that it took so long to chose him.
February 5th, 20103:23 am
N* yeah Morse was in Dixie Dregs out of Miami U I think. I’m that way with all those machinegun picker no matter the genre. I can only listen for so long at a stretch, though I do go back regularly. Some of the mellower guys like Pass or Hall are easier to listen to for longer stretches
February 5th, 20103:27 am
nolie, stop it will’ya? I’ll never leave the damn house, now, as it is. I’m listening to “Orient Blue Suite”, from the Passion, Grace and Fire album, with de Lucia, McLaughlin and Dimeola. This is great stuff. Hell, I’ll be up all night.
February 5th, 20103:29 am
Tom you could just copy the list of guitarists-don’t forget Joe Pass- and spread it out over a long time rather than stuffing yourself all at once. Just saying…
February 5th, 20103:37 am
Tom you could just copy the list of guitarists-don’t forget Joe Pass- and spread it out over a long time rather than stuffing yourself all at once. Just saying…
nolie, that’s a good idea. I figured I could come back to DOB’s 1st page, at any time, but I like your list idea better.
I almost hate to bring this up, but another of my favorites was Frank Zappa. Anyone like him? Not the “Mother’s” stuff, the serious Zappa.
February 5th, 20103:41 am
I liked most all of Frank’s stuff including much of the Mutha’s stuff. He was a gifted musician and writer
February 5th, 20103:42 am
TOM, yup eventually this blog will disappear, but a list is forever…or at least till your hard drive crashes.(knock on wood)
February 5th, 20103:45 am
nolie, the list is saved, including Joe Pass and Jim Hall. Ya know, the only one on your list I was familiar with is Pat Metheny. If you think of anyone else, please do so before I pass out.
Hey, seriously, man … thanks a lot.
February 5th, 20103:54 am
these guys have some pretty cool stuff out though they are not strictly jazz guitaristd..well Szabo is I guess
February 5th, 20103:56 am
If you like Blues…well that opens up a whole n’other group.teehee
Gary Moore has done some pretty good blues albums, a guy who gets less appreciation here in the USA than overseas.
February 5th, 20104:00 am
one of my favorite Tina Turner songs with Robert Cray on guitar.
February 5th, 20104:03 am
nolie, got ‘em, thanks again. They don’t have to be jazz guitarists. It’s just that our conversations started out that way. Heck, one of my all-time favorite guitar pieces is Roy Clark’s “Malaguena”. (The guy from “Hee-Haw”, not the ex-Braves’ scout.)
February 5th, 20104:04 am
listen to Cray on that link. another good guitarist
February 5th, 20104:08 am
If it has good guitar, I like it. Don’t really care where you find it. Off the top of my head, speaking of Blues, Stevie Ray Vaughn has to be one of my favorites (RIP).
February 5th, 20104:17 am
Buddy Guy is awesome
The Kings…BB, Freddi & Albert
I also love harmonica especially wailing in the blues.
nolie, I put your link on the list. I’ll definitely check it out, a little later. Right now, my speakers have standing room only.
February 5th, 20104:21 am
Leo Kottke is great guitarist who has had some all instrumental albums though it is kinda hard to put him in a specific genre.
and anybody interested in the blues has to listen to some John Mayall, one of the most influential talent developers in history and a good guitarist himself.
OK enough for tonight. There will be a quiz eventually
harmonica …. John Popper
February 5th, 20104:29 am
Sonny Boy Williamson
Big Walter Horton
February 5th, 20104:31 am
I have 3 or 4 old John Mayall albums. If you quiz me on those, I can cheat.
February 5th, 20104:32 am
how could I leave off Howlin’ WolF?
What, no “Harmonicats”???
February 5th, 20104:33 am
Tom I’m headed off to beddybye pardner. Enjoy.
February 5th, 20104:37 am
Obviously, you should go to bed, after that foe paw (is that how Jim says it?) Good night, buddy.
February 5th, 20106:13 am
My all star Bobby Cox managed team:
RHP – Maddux
LHP – Glavine
C – Murphy
1B – McGriff
2B – Giles
3B – C. Jones
SS – Furcal
LF – Sheffield
CF – A. Jones
RF – Justice
DH – Klesko
Closer – Rocker (0.00 ERA in 20.2 postseason innings)
Pinch Runner – Otis Nixon
Pinch Hitter – Pocoroba
1st base coach – Hubbard
3rd base coach- Jimy Williams
pitching coach – Leo
hitting coach – Don Baylor (helped Chipper win ‘99 MVP)
GM – Cox (the man was his own boss in 1990!)
February 5th, 20106:55 am
Long-time Tina fan, but hadn’t seen that performance. Cray was BRILLIANT and Tina…well she’s TINA!
February 5th, 20107:07 am
Good Blog DOB,
Any relation to Chloe O’ Brien? tsk
I’m really excited about this season, and Heyward. I think we have a really solid club. Can’t wait to see the three-headed monster of Hudson, Hanson, and JJ every day either. If only we had a lefty in there…oh well.
Steve from OH
February 5th, 20107:15 am
Try Miles Davis Kind of Blue if you can find it.
That’s a great album, you should definitely give it a listen. And props to nolie for giving Pat Martino props. He’s a great player. You guys would probably like Allan Holdsworth as well.
February 5th, 20107:22 am
Happy 75th BDay Hank Aaron!!!
February 5th, 20108:05 am
I can’t wait to see Heyward in Atlanta, but I’d be shocked if he broke camp with the club. The fact that he’s only 20 years old, combined with the financial aspect of waiting two months, leads me to believe they will handle this the exact same way the handled Hanson.
February 5th, 20108:13 am
I thought today was Hank’s 76th bday…. either way Happy Birthday to the best Brave ever!
February 5th, 20108:18 am
I will be in the right center seats on Opening Day and I really hope I’m congratulating Heyward on his first game as a Brave instead of Melky.
If this kid is as much the “real deal” as everyone is saying there is no reason to wait. Get him up, let him learn, and watch him flourish. I can hardly wait for April 5th!
February 5th, 20108:20 am
Forget the money aspect. Maybe if Hanson had made the club from the start we would have won a few more games in April and May and made the playoffs. If he’s ready he’s ready.
Wayne in Utah
Braves starting outfield for opening day: Heyward, McLouth and any of Diaz, Cabrera or Schafer!
I hope Schafer flat out kills it in the spring and makes it hard to send him up the road to Gwinnett!
February 5th, 20108:22 am
Let Johnny Damon play in Detroit……we don’t need a noodle armed left fielder.
February 5th, 20108:35 am
A more modern jazz name you might enjoy is BIll Frisell. Think you’d especially enjoy Blues Dream and Disfarmer. They both have a kind of country/rootsy feel, with a little laid back dixieland here and there. Some great guitar on both, but especially blues dream where Frisell and Greg Liesz take turns blowing minds. Both albums are both highly interesting, innovating and surprising, but somehow manage to feel comfortable at the same time.
February 5th, 20108:41 am
since this has somewhat turned to guitarist generally, this guy needs more attention:
February 5th, 20108:43 am
DOB What about Jermaine Dye I do not think he has signed . I think he could help the braves if the price was right.
February 5th, 20108:46 am
Big Ed, no no no no no no no no no, and NO on Dye. Would much rather go with Diaz and Cabrera than Dye as we do not need another defensively incapable player like G Anderson was last year, and his production fell way off the 2nd half, not something we need.
February 5th, 20108:55 am
Don’t you think we need one more relief arm in bull pen? I just checked it today and it seems little shacky to go day1 to playoff.
February 5th, 20109:07 am
Kashi, we could always use an upgrade, but I think our pen is purty damn good. Wagner, Saito, Moylan, Medlen, Acosta, O’Flaherty, Chavez, Logan, Kimbrel, Dunn, and Valdez provide plenty of options in my opinion.
“Don’t you think we need one more relief arm in bull pen? I just checked it today and it seems little shacky to go day1 to playoff.”
If Wren spends more before spring training, I don’t think it will be here. They have Wagner, Saito, Moylan, Medlen, O’Flaherty as pretty much definite. Scott Proctor should be back by late May. There are some of the new acquisitions to check out, like Jesse Chavez, Mike Dunn or Juan Abreu. There are prospects like Lee Hyde. The players developing as starters that have not been quite what was expected–Jo-Jo Reyes, Todd Redmond or James Parr. They will be fine in the pen.
February 5th, 20109:10 am
Thanks sidslidkid–I forgot Valdez. Kimbrel still has some control issues–too many walks. Doubt he’ll make the team out of spring training. I’m not sure that Acosta will be able to get a roster spot with all of the new acquisitions. He did not imbue the view with confidence last season.
February 5th, 20109:12 am
Wagner, Saito, Moylan, O’Flaherty, Medlen, Acosta, Proctor (in May or June is like adding an arm), Dunn, Chavez and Valdez. Minor leaguers who might be close: Kimbrel, Reyes, Hyde, Gunderson and maybe some I am not thinking about.
They will probably go north with 7 bullpen arms.
They invited Resop back, after a year in Japan. Has a live arm. But, there are a lot of guys unsigned, who will probably fall to minor league contracts with a spring invite. I wouldn’t be surprised to see 1 or 2 more invitations or minor league contracts.
February 5th, 20109:16 am
Hey Dave, anything in this sentence sound off? “Jones is a minor-league free agent who signed with the Braves this winter, after leading the majors with 35 homers in 2009″. Majors->Minors.
February 5th, 20109:18 am
Moe Berg, I”m not sure who’s going to get a roster spot but one thing is for sure, we have plenty of options: Wagner, Saito, Moylan, Medlen, Acosta, O’Flaherty, Chavez, Logan, Kimbrel, Dunn, Valdez, Abreu, Hyde, Proctor, Reyes, Redmond and Parr… that’s a lot of arms to pick from
February 5th, 20109:20 am
Logan went to the Yankees…….
Wayne in Utah, you are correct sir. It’s still early, my brain isn’t full out of bed.
February 5th, 20109:21 am
sidslidkid–I completely agree. Plenty of options there, as well as some that can be bundled into future trades, if need be.
February 5th, 20109:26 am
I dont have any reasons to back this up other than just a gut feeling that we will see the braves start the year with McLouth, Melky, MattyD, and Schafer. I dont know why but that is a gut feeling. I like that outfield, esp if you can keep chipper and glaus healthy.
Also, hoping for the best, if glaus, chipper and Bmac stay healthy, do people really think that McLouth would best serve the braves as the 6th hitter in the order and yunel 7th? I say let’s stay pat with what we have, see how the OF plays out at Dark Star, and not tighten the purse strings too much with a Damon signing. Then if Chipper goes down or Glaus goes down or some other unthinkable happens, there is some room for maneuvering.
If Wren gets Damon now, he is painted in the corner.
February 5th, 20109:31 am
Thanks for the song. Another great baseball themed song is “Cooperstown” by the Felice Brothers. It’s about Ty Cobb and how his tragic early life influenced him. You can check it out here:
at this point its safe to forget about damon in a braves jersey next year, according to a report in a detroit paper the tigers say they will glady pay 7 mil or more for his services in ‘10 and the only sticking point sounds to be boras pushing for a 2 year deal.
i think we all know that everyone of us here has a better shot at getting a spring training invite than the braves matching or beating 7 mil for one year of damon.
but if you want some optimism to hang on maybe boras will stick his feet in the mud to the point that the tigers take their offer off the table and then damon, having no other viable options will have to lower his price tag even further.
ok so it’s not a lot of optimism.
Andre "Pulpwood" Smith
February 5th, 20109:32 am
Say it ain’t so, DOB. Onoe of the ’80’s most overplayed songs turns out to be plagerized:
“Australian band Men at Work copied a well-known children’s campfire song for the flute melody in its 1980s hit ‘Down Under’ and owes the owner years of royalties, a court ruled Thursday. ‘Kookaburra Sits in the Old Gum Tree’ was written more than 70 years ago by Australian teacher Marion Sinclair for a Girl Guides competition, and the song has been a favorite around campfires from New Zealand to Canada.”
February 5th, 20109:39 am
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February 5th, 20109:42 am
kashi, Don’t you think we need one more relief arm in bull pen? I just checked it today and it seems little shacky to go day1 to playoff.
definitely not. the bullpen is very solid and there are already some tough decisions to be made about who makes the ‘pen.
February 5th, 20109:44 am
Ellis Marsalis still plays at Snug Harbor, as far as I know. Or at least he did a couple of years ago. My mother lives in mid-city and I took her to see him a couple of years back for a birthday present. What a night! Ellis even invited a young kid out of the audience to play trumpet for him on one of two numbers. Really warm, engaging man and still a great musician.
Frank Robinson (Rockmart)
February 5th, 20109:46 am
Thanks for the link to those Tom Russell samples. Never heard of this guy before, but I love his voice. The lyrics to The Kid from Spavinaw are great.
DOB, that song you posted is pretty cool.
February 5th, 20109:48 am
Damn- it really sounds now that damon is headed to the tigers. I just heard a one year 7.5 mill. No way anybody can put blame on the braves here except the fact that wren gave lowe all that money an offseason ago.
That’s about what damon is worth now and it appears he’s headed to motown.
Hope nate can adjust to leadoff duties better than what we all witnessed last year.
February 5th, 20109:50 am
Simply put, the Braves need another OF bat. I have said this before, the lineup was the main concern last fall. Since then, all that has been done is replacing LaRoche with Glaus. If healthy, Glaus is a better hitter. However, that is a big if. If things play out the way the Braves hope, I’d guess that Glaus and LaRoche end up with similar offensive numbers this year. So, I consider that move to be a wash, except that the Braves saved some money on Glaus.
Other than that, nothing else has been done to revamp the offense. Granted, all the infield positions are occupied. I’d hope that Wren doesnt think an outfield of McClouth, Diaz, and Melky Cabrera is going to win the division. Even if Jason Heyward starts the year with the Braves, which I think would be a mistake, it is not fair to count on him to carry the offense for the corner outfield spots.
The Braves need another OF bat, and I think Frank Wren knows this. They should have some money remaining. Sign Damon, he would make this team a lot better. He would also give the Braves a chance to let Heyward remain in AAA a while to find his stroke.
You may have discussed it on here already, but I have not seen it. Did Brian McCann get his eye situation straightened out?
He either had to have the corrective Lasik surgery (”tune-up”), or he is going to still be wearing those glasses that don’t seem to be too comfortable.
Thanks in advance.
Yeah, I don’t think we really need any help in the pen. I just wish we had a lefty in the starting rotation. I know the braves are going to watch lowry’s workout, don’t know exactly what they would do with him unless they moved KK to the pen and Medlen then could go to AAA and work on being a starter.
February 5th, 20109:54 am
Wren will pick the next Manager. Don’t believe Bobby will?
February 5th, 20109:56 am
dmack I’d hope that Wren doesnt think an outfield of McClouth, Diaz, and Melky Cabrera is going to win the division.
hes probably thinking that a rotation of hudson, jurjens, lowe, hanson, kawakami, with wagner and saito ending the game…oh yeah and peter moylan lurking in middle relief is going to win the division.
the pitching staff…not just the starters…is stacked, when you break it all down.
Actually, it does look like the Tigers are expressing interest in Damon and are willing to sign him for about 7 million, but Boras is pushing for a second year. No way the Braves match that.
February 5th, 20109:59 am
ESPN radio just said damon to the tigers appears all but done. Of course boras is working on them for a few more pennies then it’ll be official. If not today, probably over the weekend or monday.
February 5th, 201010:04 am
Here’s my opening day lineup:
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