9:20 pm January 29, 2010, by David O'Brien
January 30th, 20105:11 pm
McFann- Not Too much to worry about with my daughter changing favorites. It took a lot of convincing as to why we couldn’t go to one of the Georgia or South Carolina events that McCann was going to be at. It just helped her get over the fact that McCann wasn’t going to be there or Jordan Schafer not showing with Kris being so friendly and taking time to talk to her for a minute or two.
DarrelinJersey, you wrote a while back that Damon is good for an extra run per game, presumably over his replacement, which equals 162 extra runs per season that the Braves wouldn’t have if they didn’t him in the lineup. How do you figure that? Even if Diaz led off and played every day, he would drive in 65 and score around 65, you really think Damon can contribute 162 MORE than that?
Anyway, about Heyward y’all, I hope the Braves don’t ruin him vs. lefties by sitting him too much, like they did with Klesko. Let him hit and let him learn I say. If given the chance to, I’m betting he rakes lefties as well.
January 30th, 20105:15 pm
McFann, where have you been? I wrote something on the old blog for you yesterday. I’ll see if I can go back and find it.
January 30th, 20105:19 pm
I think Heyward’s L/R splits are pretty decent, unlike Klesko’s. They might platoon him for awhile especially against real tough lefties, but I imagine they see him as a full time player for the future.
Ryan had a couple of outlier years against LHers after going to SD, but even there most of the time he stunk it up with no real reason to think anything might have ever been different.
And those years he platooned with Williams were very good for both of them and the team
January 30th, 20105:20 pm
Even if Diaz led off and played every day, he would drive in 65 and score around 65, you really think Damon can contribute 162 MORE than that?
I have no idea why I’m defending Darrel so much, but I think he meant that Damon was good to drive in and score runs at a rate of 1 run per game (81 runs, 81 RBIs, give or take)
But if he did mean 162 runs more, then that would equal (based on shmoe’s reasonable Diaz predictions)….146 RBIs and 146s runs scored by Damon. That’s pretty impressive, folks.
January 30th, 20105:21 pm
I don’t think we should be comparing Heyward to Klesko. Klesko was good, but if what I’m hearing about Heyward is true, he’s nowhere near the same category as Heyward.
it is a good question – does platooning a player early on help or hurt? I do think seeing both lefties and righties early in a hitters career is important for learning and development
January 30th, 20105:24 pm
In the minor leagues, I would agree that they should scrap the platooning for lefty/righty match-ups for promising players. A lefty has to “learn” to hit against a lefty if he is going to be successful in the major leagues.
January 30th, 20105:26 pm
Grinch, I don’t know if REM would be in my five, but I do know one of your favorites — Rammstein — would not. (smile)
January 30th, 20105:27 pm
I just checked out Klesko’s stats and I never realized this: here’s Klesko’s SB totals year by year. Guess which year he left Atlanta.
1995 – 5
1996 – 6
1997 – 4
1998 – 5
1999 – 5
2000 – 23
2001 – 23
Now, did he do some conditioning after 1999? The “Bobby hates speed” shtick can’t be this true.
January 30th, 20105:29 pm
Klesko had chances at lefties in the minors, he didn’t look good at all against them. I think by some point the team has to decide to use a guy in the way that is gonna benefit the team the best. Why put up with subpar numbers just to let the guy play when a platoon can be so much more productive.
There seems to be some strong bias on this board against platoons(not saying you are one of them cause I don’t know), but they have helped win a lot of pennants. A lot of players are just not gonna hit well against same side pitchers, but can still be valuable assets.
January 30th, 20105:33 pm
For those with satellite radio, Freeman is going to interviewed, shortly, on MLB Home plate.
Now, did he do some conditioning after 1999? The “Bobby hates speed” shtick can’t be this tru jeffrey
yeah he changed his conditioning program entirely, actually dated a trainer..a female one I should say.
January 30th, 20105:37 pm
Anyone know what to expect crowd-wise at the caravan events? Just got a box of balls for the event in Marietta, can’t wait to replenish my stocks of Braves autographs after all of my others were either retired or traded
January 30th, 20105:38 pm
When is Herschel fighting on Showtime? I looked up tonight at 10 pm on Showtime and did not see it. Can someone clear it up?
January 30th, 20105:39 pm
That’s no fair, Dave can delete his mistakes but we have to live with the shame of ours.
January 30th, 20105:42 pm
I’m against platoons at all…if a righty and a lefty have proven that they are better in a platoon role then so be it. But in the minors, a guy should be given a chance to prove that he is either a platoon player or not. It should not be the default.
JKP AKA TP''S Brother
Just wait to my brother TP becomes manager of the Braves then you gonna really see a team.We will win 5 straight World Series. MY brother TP is going to be Manager of the year in 2011 and every year there after.
keylargo – It is 10:00 on Showtime. I don’t know why it won’t show up for you
January 30th, 20105:43 pm
This won’t mean much to DOB, given his preference for buying whole albums w/ cover art.
But Amazon’s holding a $5 sale on mp3 album downloads till the end of the weekend.
Some good stuff on there.
Finally got Frightened Rabbits, and Devendra Barnhardt album for kicks, and a couple others.
Highly recommend it for some cheap tunes.
January 30th, 20105:44 pm
Dave can delete his mistakes but we have to live with the shame of ours. nolie
So just don’t make mistakes. Like me…
nolie: Penelope actually can sing, which I found out when I saw her in Nine.
But no, if a female was on my desert-island musician list, it’d be Lucinda Williams, Neko Case, Patsy Cline, or Chrissie Hynde (Pretenders). I don’t think any would make my top 10, but Lucinda would be in the top 20, for sure.
(I’d pick artists with substantial bodies of work — Dylan, Cash, Springsteen, Neil Young, Waits, Led Zep, Haggard, Lennon/Beatles, Van Morrison, Curtis Mayfield, James Brown, Steve Earle, Nick Cave, the Pogues, Prince, Muddy Waters, Bob Marley, REM, U2 — if those were the choices whose music I could take on the desert island. However, The Clash didn’t have a huge body of work, and they’d certainly be on any such list of mine. Same for the Replacements, Townes Van Zandt, Radiohead, the Smiths and probably (already) the Drive-By Truckers, who didn’t or haven’t put out a dozen albums or anything, but would be in my top 20 or so. But those are exceptions. Then again, Zep didn’t make a lot of albums, either.)
January 30th, 20105:45 pm
nolie… “not” against platoons….sorry
there’s one of those mistakes you were talking about.
January 30th, 20105:47 pm
Just got back from the Braves Caravan here in Auburn. Had an awesome time there. The players and the staff were very nice. Check the Braves twitter feed to see a picture of my wife and I.
On a side note, I couldn’t believe how small Medlen is and how big Freeman was.
January 30th, 20105:48 pm
I wasn’t comparing the abilities of Klesko and Heyward. But for the sake of discussion:
Klesko hit at least 21 HR in 8 out of 13 seasons.
36 HR in 1996.
2001, he his .286, 30 HR, 113 RBI, 105 RS, 23 SB.
For his career, he is .370 OBP and .500 slg for .870 OPS.
And he ended with 278 lifetime HR, and 987 RBIs.
Now, that isn’t spectacular for a career by any stretch, but even if Heyward just was as good as Klesko, he would be a significant contributor. It is a little too early to say that Heyward is better than Klesko by a mile or two, given that he has not played a single game in MLB.
I do feel that Heyward will be better than Klesko, but to what degree is so hard to say without annointing Heyward the next Ken Griffey Jr. before he even plays a game. I’m not trying to raise a stink, but let’s just hold off on printing that Hall of Fame plaque for Heyward until he at least plays one full season in the bigs.
I see it now jeffrey d – It’s called Strikeforce: Miami
I thought it was another Rambo type movie.
January 30th, 20105:49 pm
if a righty and a lefty have proven that they are better in a platoon role then so be it. But in the minors, a guy should be given a chance to prove that he is either a platoon player or not. It should not be the default. Heath
why in the world are you against platoons? The greatest invention for winning baseball games since the spitball
. And the fact is that most guys do prove themselves one way or the other in the minors since it is used much less regularly there, especially in the developmental leagues.
when a guy is working his way up and it becomes obvious that he can’t hit same side pitching it’s pretty foolish to keep throwing them out there against it. and counterproductive for a team.
January 30th, 20105:50 pm
jeffrey d, probably two winters ago, I had an extensive post documenting several cases where guys that had huge SB totals the years before, came to Atlanta and the numbers cut in half. And in the case of Klesko, sky-rocketed upon leaving.
There were a couple of other guys that after they left, the numbers went up, but none as drastic as Klesko.
But yeah, if it’s not clear that Bobby isn’t a huge advocate of stealing bases, then it never will be to some. Those younger Braves teams in the early 90’s ran more with Nixon and Sanders at the top. And Bobby certainly turns certain guys loose for a “timely’ SB where he sees fit.
Not sure if he just doesn’t want guys in motion for his big hitters. Maybe it’s a Chipper thing? Maybe when Chipper is at the plate he doesn’t like guys running? Obviously Chipper has been up fulltime since 95.
I’d be curious to what some of the reasoning might be. But even Furcal’s numbers dropped from 96 in the minors the year before coming up to 40 something his rookie year. Better pitcher’s moves to first base? Better catchers to gun guys down? More perfected slide step? Or Bobby?
Probably all of the above.
But yeah, those Klesko numbers always baffled me.
January 30th, 20105:51 pm
“I’d pick artists with large bodies….” DOB
Like Meatloaf? Or perhaps Ann Wilson?
Sorry. Couldn’t resist, even if it required leaving a portion of your quote off to make it work. Juvenile? Sure. Guilty as charged.
January 30th, 20105:54 pm
But yeah, those Klesko numbers always baffled me. N8
well be baffled no more. He changed his condituioning program entirely and fell in love with his trainer. He looked much different after he got out there.
Nolie, no I’m not against platoons. But, in my opinion an elite player should be able to hit against both L and R. To sit a player against a pitcher from a certain side in favor of a platoon player can be very effective, but it only highlights the fact that the player being sat is not an elite player. I too hope Heyward is that elite, franchise, cornerstone player for the Braves that we all hope he is as well. And I don’t want to see him sitting against anybody, because I hope he really is that good.
January 30th, 20105:56 pm
Kris played all the classics plus a few new song- he has a new cd out – he must have played 35 or so songs finished up strong with Why Me Lord
January 30th, 20105:57 pm
Nolie, it appears you weren’t talking to me…my bad.
January 30th, 20105:59 pm
I don’t think you will hafta worry all that much about Heyward and platooning shmoe
at least not if he continues in the same vein
January 30th, 20106:00 pm
Nolie, it appears you weren’t talking to me…my bad. shmoe
no bad at all, it’s an open board. the more input the better
man this board is a pain in the butt lately in so far as not working very well at least for me
January 30th, 20106:03 pm
The referees in the Vandy-UK game must be getting paid by the foul….sheesh.
January 30th, 20106:04 pm
It’s called Strikeforce: Miami
I thought it was another Rambo type movie
ha! It does sound like that.
nolie – I remember Furcal stealing 90-something bases in the minors.and then his totals were mostly in the 20s while with the Braves.
January 30th, 20106:07 pm
Furcal’s SB totals are a little curious:
2000 – 40 SB, 54 attempts
2001 – 22 SB, 28 attempts
2002 – 27 SB, 42 attempts
2003 – 25 SB, 27 attempts
2004 – 29 SB, 35 attempts
2005 – 46 SB, 56 attempts
What the heck was going on in 2000 and 2005?
January 30th, 20106:10 pm
I remember Furcal stealing 90-something bases in the minors.and then his totals were mostly in the 20s while with the Braves. jeffrey
yeah he did jeffrey, but a lot of guys have had big totals in the minors that never came close to in the bigs.
Furcal was a speed stealer, not really all that accomplished at the knack of doing it correctly. so that was part of the reason.
My comments on Klesko didn’t mean that Bobby had no effect at all. He has definitely become less run oriented over the years. In fact if I didn’t know better I would say he has been reading some sabermetric propaganda
January 30th, 20106:11 pm
2000 was his getting established year and 2005 was his preppin’ for FA year
remember Blauser? he was hell in the years he was playin’ for a new contract
January 30th, 20106:14 pm
Mitchie-san, Yes that is me, Curt Tanner or CurtTanner on twitter
Rob from SC
January 30th, 20106:16 pm
Was it easy to get autographs?
I am going tomorrow.
Schafer and Freeman will be there
January 30th, 20106:17 pm
I’m sure Bobby checks his UZR spreadsheets nightly.
Jeffrey, I’m sure Furcal’s SB totals from 01-04 is a product of blurry vision and attempting to Steal While Intoxicated!
His rookie season, he was probably on good behavior, and his last season with the Braves as well. Wasn’t it that season when he had to apologize for being arrested?
January 30th, 20106:19 pm
Yes it was very easy. The line was the length of the store when we got there but it moved very quick and I got to have a few short exchanges with each of the players and coaches. Very easy to get autographs and a fun event overall.
January 30th, 20106:20 pm
I am excited to get Freeman and Schafer’s autograph. I bought a signed Heyward bat and signed Hanson ball, but this is the first time to get an autograph in person. I would have loved MEdlen to make the trip. HE seems like a really cool guy
January 30th, 20106:21 pm
yeah, it saves him tons of money on sleeping pills.
January 30th, 20106:23 pm
Medlen was very cool, sarcastic and funny dude. I made friends with the staff so I got to spend a little more time at the table so they could take some video of me and some pictures for the caravan blog. Schafer was supposed to be on this leg but he wasnt there today, I forgot to ask the staff why.
January 30th, 20106:24 pm
Probably had to take care of some ear business
January 30th, 20106:25 pm
Thanks Curt. I realized you were the only Curt on there after I posted that. Oops.
I am not very Twitter savvy…
January 30th, 20106:29 pm
I think the Bobby hates speed thing has more to do with hating runners getting thrown out and ending innings, IMO.
January 30th, 20106:46 pm
My Narrow As.s is full as a rat after eating GOOD at Chow Baby at Cumberland Mall
Question of the night is who are the best/worst commentators?
I love the Hawk and Steve Stone not to mention Joe Simpson, he is very underrated…
Worst is none other than Blow Buck and Tim McSlobber
January 30th, 20106:50 pm
What the heck were the Jayhawks doing just now in the pregame? They were all trying out their head first slide into 2nd base? Odd.
January 30th, 20106:51 pm
Usually the braves play their best baseball when they are aggressive on the basepaths (Offensive-wise)…
One thing about the 1999 and 2001 braves teams is that they didn’t have a lot of power but they were aggressive and smart on the basepaths….
"Chef" Tim Dix
January 30th, 20106:52 pm
Chrissie at the Agora Ballroom in the ATL… Following night in Nashville, kicked out Police car safety glass. Tux shirt, leather pants, white Go-Go boots…DOB need I say more?
January 30th, 20106:53 pm
That’s the problem with isolating defensive stats like arm strength alone. Because who cares if Garrett’s arm was better than Melky’s when Garrett didn’t lay out or even race to get to balls that Melky could have gotten to? Or that Diaz would have busted arse trying to get to? And while Damon’s arm is undeniably bad, I’d take his overall defense over GA’s at this stage of their careers, no doubt.
I responded earlier, but it seems to have gotten lost.
There really isn’t a problem at all with a defensive stat that measures a fielder’s performance in preventing runs with his arm. The problem really is the reputation or in people’s perception based upon observation of how disastrous one’s weak arm can be. It’s obvious that so many, as we’ve seen recently on the blog, will just ignorantly go off on a rant about how you can’t get Damon because his weak arm will have such a negative impact without ever caring to look at just what the difference is from a run standpoint between this fielder’s arm and that fielder’s arm.
They don’t care to attempt to quantify what the difference is from a run standpoint from the best arm and the worst arm and the average arm, or that having the worst arm from a skill standpoint doesn’t necessarily mean you get abused to a point that you are significantly hurting your team if you are fast, hustle and play a position like left in which the opportunities for your arm to hurt your team aren’t as plentiful as they are in right or center.
If you look at the stats I cited, Damon’s arm, although weak, doesn’t really cost his teams that many runs. Damon only costs his team a run every two months or so with his weak arm. Hardly intolerable. And compared to the stats of the other Braves OFers I cited, Damon didn’t do much worse than them. Does he have a much worse arm? Of course he does from a skill standpoint. But can he do other things out there on the field to mitigate the detrimental impact of his greatest weakness? Clearly he can for the reasons you stated above, which are actually included within the stat.
That stat that isolates an outfielder’s arm doesn’t really measure their arm strength, but their ability to prevent runs compared to average outfielders at their position in similar runner advancement opportunities. Being fast and hustling to cut balls off in the gaps or corners or by rushing in to balls hit right at you, and as a result getting the ball into the infield faster will help a noodle armed leftfielder be not that much worse from a statistical standpoint than a slow footed, non-hustling strong armed leftfielder who may also take bad routes on balls. In addition, having the benefit of a strong armed SS like Jeter or Escobar as a relay man on balls hit deep into the gap or the corner in left is also something that benefits a weak armed leftfielder in preventing runners from advancing or scoring.
Also, a leftfielder is a leftfielder for a reason. They usually don’t have the arm to play right or center, and are thus put in a position on the field where runners are less likely to tag from second to third or advance from first to third. Thus, having a weak arm isn’t all that detrimental in left because the opportunities for that weak arm to hurt you are much less than in center and right.
That was the entire point of the post citing the stats. Yeah, Damon’s arm is weak, much weaker from a skill standpoint than other outfielders. However, for various mitigating reasons, his weak arm doesn’t cost his team that many runs as compared to average outfielders, and in particular other Braves outfielders we are familiar with. Again, according to fangraphs, Damon was -4.6 runs with his arm last season. Melky was -3.2. Diaz was -3.2. Nate was -1.6. Garrett Anderson was -0.8. Church was +0.7. Schafer was +1.5. Frenchy was +4.
January 30th, 20106:57 pm
Well, what the hell, my posts ain’t coming through
January 30th, 20107:00 pm
I could see Bobby benching Heyward against a tough lefty although he refused to ever bench Frenchy against a tough righthander.
January 30th, 20107:06 pm
What the heck were the Jayhawks doing just now in the pregame? They were all trying out their head first slide into 2nd base? Odd. — Heath
They always do that, every game. Have for as long as I can remember.
yeah lefties are always the guys who get shorted as hitters, gross discrimination
January 30th, 20107:08 pm
Can’t help but contrast the crowd at this game (or the game at KU last week) with the Kentucky-Vandy crowd today in Lexington. For UK fans who’ve been there, is that atmoshere always as subdued as it seems on TV? Is it just because the place is so big, or do they have all the wealthy, older alums near the court and not enough students down low?
Braveheart, maybe your 6:53 comment will get e-mailed to Frank Wren.
January 30th, 20107:10 pm
I’m sure nobody’s watching the UGA/USC game, but South Carolina’s making every dadgum shot
January 30th, 20107:11 pm
Oh, geez, looking at that post now, maybe it was better off being blocked. It’s eyesore long
I’m suprised that you are not a Niptuck fan…? There is some crazy sh..t on that show OMFG…
And I can’t believe that you didn’t watch old Martin when it was hot on the street and back when Fox was good
January 30th, 20107:15 pm
January 30th, 20107:17 pm
It is a big place….plus, UK fans just don’t “get up” for Vanderbilt. UK got up early and maintained a 12-20 point lead virtually the entire game…kinda sucks the energy out of the building a little too when that happens.
January 30th, 20107:18 pm
TnBrian, I suffer no Dentzian delusions that Frank Wren will ever give two sh!ts what I or anyone else on this blog will ever say.
January 30th, 20107:22 pm
Heath – strangely enough, W&M game postponed until tomorrow – 10-12 inches of snow in the Hampton Roads-Williamsburg-Richmond corridor…
January 30th, 20107:23 pm
A couple of games postponed due to snow today from what I’ve read.
Rupp has many issues…tons of old folks in the lower section and such. But today was mixture of Saturday afternoon game/refs calling about 60 fouls that just never let the game get going to have any excitement. Big game atmosphere Rupp will bring it, but a lot of times the “blue hairs” do nothing.
January 30th, 20107:25 pm
Heath: What? They don’t get up for a game against a ranked conference opponent, and after losing their first game as No. 1 earlier in the week? Can’t really relate to that, I gotta say. I mean, as tremendous as the history and winning tradition is, UK hasn’t been No. 1 enough lately or beaten enough ranked opponents in recent years for this generation of fans to be jaded, have they? It is a big arena, and like UNC (also a huge arena) it can get quiet quickly with all the alums seated around the court instead of students.
January 30th, 20107:32 pm
About Bobby and the running game:
Chipper used to run quite a bit early in his career. He stole double-digit bases for five straight seasons (25 one year). Andruw ran some when he was young and not obese, too. I also recall his Toronto teams running a lot, which was not the norm in the AL. I don’t know when he started de-emphasizing the running game, but he surely does now.
Perhaps, as Lew said, Bobby finally concluded he doesn’t like CS busting up big innnings.
January 30th, 20107:34 pm
Even when they weren’t #1 nationally for a while…UK has still been one of the best teams in the SEC (excusing those two years with Billy G.). They have more SEC titles than all the other teams COMBINED. Hard to get excited against a team that is not a rival and you have consistently beaten. Sittin’ at home, I was never excited…not even before the tip-off. Though, one of the things UK should do is put more of the students closer to the floor in the next arena in a few years. There are a lot of the older, wealthier ticket-holders close to the court.
UK really only has one long-time rival within the conference–Tennessee. Florida is starting to become one because of Donovan’s ability to get that program to an elevated level over the years. Past that, no else is really a rival. The other teams have to win more for that to happen. Just the way it is.
January 30th, 20107:35 pm
Other than Hanley Ramirez I think Esco will outperform Jimmy Rollins and be named the 2nd best SS in the NL unless he remains in Bobby’s Doghouse….
January 30th, 20107:36 pm
About fans and college hoops palaces: One of the few good things Matt Doherty did in his tenure at Chapel Hill was move students closer to the floor at the Dean Dome. The reason Sam Cassell was able to get in his dig at the “wine and cheese” crowd is that all the big donors sat close to the court in those days.
When I was in school there and the team played in Carmichael, students were courtside at both end zones. Combine that with a much smaller venue, and you get a lot more noise.
January 30th, 20107:39 pm
If I’m not mistaking Chipper stole over 20 bases in 1999, (The year he won the MVP) Damn I miss the young/Cocky Chipper…
January 30th, 20107:40 pm
We don’t have the hitters that we used to, to wait for the big innings…The sit back and wait for the 3 run homer doesn’t work no more since we are out of the PED/Steroid era….
Baseball in a few years is gonna return like it was in the 80’s and that is teams relying on speed and defense, and mainly better athlethes not mashers
January 30th, 20107:42 pm
I think Esco will outperform Jimmy Rollins and be named the 2nd best SS in the NL – Tomahawkin
I didn’t realize they gave out awards for being 2nd best. LOL, just messin’ with ya.
January 30th, 20107:43 pm
I miss the young and cocky me!
We all are lucky if we reach the measure twice cut once stage… Even Chipper.
January 30th, 20107:48 pm
If I’m not mistaking Chipper stole over 20 bases in 1999, (The year he won the MVP) Damn I miss the young/Cocky Chipper… T’hawkin
Chipper was the onliest player in history to…
score 100 runs
hit 40 doubles
hit 45 homers
have 100 rbi
steal 25 bases.
walk 100 times all in one season.
January 30th, 20107:49 pm
I am stoked for the caravan
January 30th, 20107:50 pm
also broke the record for most xtra base hits by a switcher, but Berkman broke it again since then.
Chippers not as cocky as b4? do you think it was PEDS? T’hawk
January 30th, 20107:53 pm
Bring it, lol…I believe Esco only stole 3 bases last year… That needs to change, I know he has the ability to steal more, but that maybe on Bobby’s reluctance to use the running game
January 30th, 20107:55 pm
Chipper was off the Chain in 1999 too bad I was only 15 during that season but I still have several of his best games from 1999 on my old tapes
I liked his 2001 season when he destroyed the Phillies in June in a 4 game series at the old Vet
January 30th, 20107:57 pm
Escobar has to miss Pena because they’d both sit in the dugout and call Bobby a “mounsai cahteras’ fiesto” … old booger picker. That’s why Cox would always look over at Chino and ask what he was laughing at.
the last thing I want is Escobar running more. he’s not fast, and he runs too much as it is, and it often leads to some of the most boneheaded baserunning outs I’ve ever seen. he did two really smart things on the bases in his rookie year, but since then he’s been a boneheaded baserunner
January 30th, 20107:58 pm
I would doubt that Chipper used PEDs at least once. Trainers prescribe that stuff to athletes all the time, I have an eye on these things, trust me…?
Gant was on them, same as Bret Boone, M. Giles, Klesko, Jaret Wright, Hampton, etc
January 30th, 20107:59 pm
nolie, CJ isn’t as cocky as before because he got caught cheating. Ruined his pimpness.
January 30th, 20108:00 pm
Chipper’s absolute finest moment was when the Braves went into Shea late in the season and CJ destoyed them almost singlehandedly. 1999?
January 30th, 20108:05 pm
yeah, that’s what salted away the MVP for him
Piedmont Blues: Carmichael was a great arena, a real homecourt advantage more like Cameron Indoor Stadium and Allen Fieldhouse, etc. I much prefer the old barns to the arenas that so many schools are building now that are just like NBA/NHL palaces, no intimacy whatsoever. Growing up I remember watching ACC games on TV from Cole Field House, Carmichael, Reynolds Coliseum … places that seemed to ooze atomosphere.
January 30th, 20108:07 pm
nolie, CJ isn’t as cocky as before because he got caught cheating. – TnBrian
Care to explain?
January 30th, 20108:08 pm
What did CJ get caught cheating at?
One thing you gotta give Chipper..he hits well against the Phils and the Mets, the teams we have fought the most for titles
January 30th, 20108:09 pm
He means cheating with Hooters girls on his wife I think
January 30th, 20108:12 pm
How about Travis Leslie…where did this kid come from?
Not that anyone’s watching the GA game
Ya’ll really don’t remember the whole Hooters girl thing? Don’t know the entire details. CJ seems to have grown up a lot since those days.
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