DOB, I saw a few days ago on MLBTR that the Braves were one team that was going to watch Noah Lowry’s throwing session. With our lack of pitching depth and him needing to rehab in the minors a while do you see the Braves bringing him in on a minor league deal?
if they can approach Smoltz and say we’ll offer you $1.5 + incentives to reach $2.5-3 million to retire a Brave and have the chance to be a big part of their great potential of success this year. It’s not like other teams are drooling over his services Chuck James
I think John’s mouth has pretty much ensured that ain’t gonna happen, plus Wren is not stupid enough to put himself in the same awful PR position as b4 if Smoltz is a bust. Highly unlikely IMO.
“I still feel there is a quality market for Johnny Damon,” Boras says, “and I’m negotiating with a number of teams. There are three teams out there that if they don’t have Johnny Damon, they’re not winning the division. He’s the difference in these teams making the playoffs or not contending.”
Boras is referring to the Detroit Tigers, the Atlanta Braves and an unknown third team.
Is that Boras making stuff up again or are the Braves really one of the 3 teams?
“ERIC – DOB, I saw a few days ago on MLBTR that the Braves were one team that was going to watch Noah Lowry’s throwing session. With our lack of pitching depth”
lack of pitching depth? I would love to see what depth looks like then. We’ve got probably 7 starters who could start for other teams right now
OJ – never listen to a thing Boras says. Id like to see three offers that have even been submitted, outside of the Yanks, for Damon. Damon hasnt signed because the market isnt there. He’s trying to play this up so he can get Damon a 2yr deal somewhere.
But the same determination that makes him defy the laws of age and physics is also what makes him an un-empathetic/sympathetic @$$-munch and likely the reason he’s divorced. Grinch
yeah he can be an AH a lot of the time. I don’t like him either, but he was a very good pitcher for Los Bravos, no question.
I went to the caravan today in Nashville. Toward the end of it as the crowd was thinning out, I jokingly ask Wren if he was going to make any moves today. He smiled and said he didn’t think so today. I said no promises about tomorrow though right and he said that’s right, you never know. Don’t mistake that for something happening. Like he’d share it with me anyway but my family enjoyed the afternoon and the opportunity it presented. Can’t wait to watch Heyward in Atlanta.
Chipper is arrogant himself, but I think he’s a bit more grounded than ole’ john.
I think john needs to realize that he wasn’t as good as maddux and glavine did pitch one of the best pitched games ever by a brave in game 6 of the ‘95 world series against what was a very potent indians lineup. Glav flat out dominated hitters one after the other.
OJ– that article you qouted goes along with what had heard this morning. I believe in that atlanta has an offer on the table and good ole’ boras is waiting for a better one. The man didn’t even say what third team is involved in this, but I’ll take a guess here and say the rays. Burrell and damon could be platoon buddy’s in LF and johnny is from fla.
However, it’s about the money in the end…. it almost always is. Having an extra year tagged on to the contract might help too.
Tom O’Hawk– I’m an honest guy. There’s no sugar coating with me. Pick up line? Of course not. But I’m open with discussing anything at just about any time, Tom O’Hawk.
I’ve found over the years that woman are just as, if not more, vile and crude than any man. Believe me, if you had seen the things I’ve seen…..
I wasn’t here last night, but you asked me about some of my jazz favorites from the 80’s. I was a bit young at the time, but once I started liking jazz, I started working back in time. I’m not positive about the decade, most of the artists I like span several years, but some that I like include (in addition to Grover Washington); David Sanborn, Simply Red, John Klemmer, Chuck Mangione, Larry Coryell, Al Dimeola, Jean-LucPonty, and Spyro Gyra.
I could go on, but I don’t want this to look like something dentzian. A couple of great rock guitarists that I like, Jeff Beck and Carlos Santana, also are among my jazz favorites.
(in addition to Grover Washington); David Sanborn, Simply Red, John Klemmer, Chuck Mangione, Larry Coryell, Al Dimeola, Jean-LucPonty, and Spyro Gyra. TOM
sounds like you might like Fusion more that pure jazz from that list
sounds like you might like Fusion more that pure jazz from that list
nolie, you’re good man. Thanks to XM radio, I found myself liking Fusion, before I even knew the term. There used to be a station called, “Beyond Jazz”, that I liked. I kept hearing the term, “Fusion”, and wondered what it was.
I’m not sure what your definition of “pure jazz” is, although I may have an idea. Always considered that all music that didn’t fall into any other category, was jazz.
“…go listen to ‘fleetwood mac live’…that’s a really good album. stevie nicks’ singing is great and lindsay buckingham’s soloing is pretty grand.”jed
You’re first mistake is assuming that any live album is actually live. At the very least, vocals get overdubbed (or at least the mistakes do).
And would people stop lumping my comments about Nicks into the same barrell by assuming I’m not a Lindsey Buckingham fan. He is a FANTASTIC guitar player, and I’ve not remotely come close to saying otherwise.
N8, personally I’ve always liked Stevie Nicks’ voice. Perfect for the band’s California rock….
OJ, you commented about what Bob Nightengale wrote, the quote from Boras. Read again what he said and what Bob wrote:
“I still feel there is a quality market for Johnny Damon,” Boras says, “and I’m negotiating with a number of teams. There are three teams out there that if they don’t have Johnny Damon, they’re not winning the division. He’s the difference in these teams making the playoffs or not contending.”
Boras is referring to the Detroit Tigers, the Atlanta Braves and an unknown third team.
He didn’t actually say the Braves were one of the teams he’s negotiating with. He said the Braves were one of the “three teams out there” that won’t win the division without Damon.
Splitting hairs? Yes. But he can correctly say that he never claimed he was negotiating with the Braves, only that he said they’re one of the teams that can’t win their division without Damon.
And he does believe that, or is at least saying it. He told me the same thing about the Braves.
“N8, personally I’ve always liked Stevie Nicks’ voice. Perfect for the band’s California rock…”DOB
Sometimes I can’t tell with you, whether you’re trying to get my goat or not. But I’m not saying I dislike her voice either. I think it’s unique, and as you stated perfect for them. Can’t imagine Fleetwood Mac without it.
I’ve just seen clips of her where she’s appeared to be less than stellar live, and relayed the story of my parents saying how bad they were back in the early-mid 70’s (not sure of the exact year).
But so what? I’ve got all of the Kissology DVD’s and even as a diehard Kiss fan, am not afraid to state that until about 15 years ago, they pretty much sucked live (singing wise). Obviously they were more about the show back in the day. But you watch that old footage and it’s damn near painful.
Add to that, that Kiss Alive! is one of the more well documented instances of an album not even being live. But while Paul Stanley might be a bit older and a bit fatter these days, he’s also a helluva lot better singer than he was in the 70’s.
But I haven’t said anything about not liking Stevie’s voice. Love her voice. Just don’t think she always does the best job of impersonating herself.
Heath, I guess I’m in the minority of those among the blog who’ve seen Funny People, because I actually liked it. First hour was great, and though next 90 minutes was about 30 minutes too long, the story was good and there were enough funny scenes and good performances — like Aziz Ansari, who’s hilarious — to keep me into it.
And you’re right — extras on Blu-Ray were outstanding.
I saw the comments about rumors surrounding McFann. Did we not see her and the family in Gwinnett last year? STOP NOW
I don’t want to sit around worrying about Damon. As a lady (or woman) daydreaming about someone I could have I only want what I have. That being said, if Damon comes to Braves then I will see him then.
Okay, The Yankees and Scott Boras are in America and we must as Americans get as much money as we can that is in our grasps. I am not worried if the Yankees won the series or if Boras is gouging teams for his clients. His list of players are the best paid in the MLB and he is “crazy rich” by representing. That is why we are knowN as the big capitalist.
In this household we seek more money each waking day. I push my staff to make sure they “get theirs” not for my sales numbers, but so they can live well. You can’t tell me that in America that only 10% of the citizens are below the elite wealthy.
So,.. I close in this if there is money to be made and if money can buy what you need then by all means then seek it without delay.
I disagree that Damon is the difference between winning the division or not. What a silly “blanket” statement for Boras to make. Sure, they might not win the division without Damon. But there is certainly no guarantee that they DO win the division if he’s a Brave either.
If that’s the case, is Boras (and Damon) willing to play for a base fee of 1 million dollars, with a 5 million dollar bonus upon post-season play?
I mean, if Boras is SO confident that he is the difference, how about set up a 2nd year option for 10 million dollars that automatically vests if the Braves make the playoffs, and he starts in LF in more than say 145 games?
That seems a little ridiculous to me, and if I’m Wren, I’m insulted by it. Damon may improve portions of the Braves, and bring some veteran leadership. But lets not forget, Melky took his spot in CF on the same team that won the WS last year.
So like it or not, other than Chipper, Lowe, and Glaus, Melky is the only other current Brave to a WS ring to my knowledge.
He’s now just overselling his client (which is his job), because he messed up earlier in the off-season and mis calculated his worth.
But with or without Damon, this team is unlikely to catch Philly.
There seems to be a sentiment that even with Damon, we cannot catch Philadelphia. (I probably incline towards said sentiment.) But what is the missing piece? What would be necessary to catch them? The rotation looks good. The bullpen (barring health problems) looks good. Short stop and third base (assuming he returns to form) is good. First base could potentially be good. Second, was good last year, and we hope replicates that year. The outfield has some question marks, admittedly. Is that it? Just one start outfielder and we are in contention? Where do we identify the seeming gap between the Braves and the Phillies?
Wow. The blog is dead tonight. I’m not claiming that my questions were so provocative. Merely surprised that no one else has had anything to say in a bit of time. Guess, I’ll just go get another splash of bourbon.
Yeah TOM O’ I’ve got all those artists one album or another exclusively on vinyl. Like your cross-over selecting and Rock guitar especially. SANTANA, yeah. Had on a bit of CHET BAKER and PAUL DESMOND tonight TOGETHER. Hey nolie, you dig the groove don’t you cat?
yeah I like most of it rich. I guess there are a few jazz artists I don’t care all that much for like Ornette Coleman and some of the other free jazz players and the newer acid jazz I think it’s called.
Love Dixieland, Swing, Fusion & most Be-bop
“purists” of jazz prefer the ensemble approach where a line is laid down, and the rendition is established by all the instruments in the jazz group playing in unison. As the melody is developed, each member of the group plays individual solos as variations of the theme. Some jazz personages were famous for being quite original and striking in their renditions of the song being played. At the conclusion, after the last individual solo, the group kicks in and reverts to the original line, completing the song. I’m not versed in music, never studied it, but them’s my words for how I see “traditional” jazz.
richbrave, I’m, currently, listening to an album by Santana called, “Beyond Appearances”. I only know that Desmond had something to do with one of my all-time favorites, “Take Five”, by Dave Brubek. Did he write it.
Not familiar with his work with Chet Baker. What’s the name of the album? I’ll see if I can find it.
“has anyone had the red oval classic from trader joes. 2.99 for a sixer”
I’m not familiar with that. But it reminds me of years ago (when I was still primarily a beer drinker), when I lived in Santa Fe. I could get six packs of Tecate at the grocery store for 2.99, and a tamale wholesaler down the road sold a dozen tamales for 4.99. We would get beer and tamales and feast.
pretty good description rich. Originally jazz was a dance musid Dixieland and then swing. In the 50’s Be-bop changed it to a listining music with more emphasis on chord based solos. My earlier use of the term pure jazz was a poor choice of words since there have been so many stages and forms. I thinking more along the lines of Be-bop.
Moe, I think with good health, our rotation trumps their good lineup over 162 games.
I just don’t expect our guys (Glaus, Chipper, Wagner, Saito and maybe even Hudson missing a few starts), are going to be healthy for 162 games. Add in the fact that our best hitter plays catcher and will need days off and wear down as the season winds down?
The question is whether guys like Glaus and Chipper when healthy can lead this team into streaks or stretches where they take advandtage of the stellar rotation. Maybe they win 15 out of 20 when the lineup is at full strenght but play .500 ball when it’s not?
I guess my main point is that while Damon is a guaranteed steady hitter with a long track record of what he does well, I’m not 100 sold that at this age, he’s that much better than a Melky/Diaz platoon (assuming heyward is in RF), and certainly not good enough to be the difference bewteen catching the Phillies or not.
If this team isn’t good enough to catch Philly with Diaz/Melky platooning, what the hell does Damon really bring to the table that’s going to greatly improve the team.
Now, if Heyward won’t be up until June, I will concede that having Damon in LF while Melky/Diaz platoon RF is probably a nice option to have. But if Heyward is deemed “ready” and is on the opening day roster, it’s not worth spending the money on Damon.
I suppose if Wren really likes the thought of Damon at leadoff, he could sign him, and if Heyward is on the opening day roster as the spring winds down, then he could make a last second trade of Melky and or Diaz?
In 550 AB’s last year, Damon hit .281 (155 hits), with 24 HR and 82 RBI.
In 328 AB’s against RHP, Melky hit .278 (91 hits), with 8 HR and 41 RBI. Diaz in 136 AB’s against LHP, hit .411 (56 hits), with 6 HR and 24 RBI.
So combined against their respective alleged platoon splits, Diaz/Melky in 464 AB’s, batted .316 with 14 HR and 65 RBI.
So, when you “calculate” and pro-rate in the other 86 AB’s (Damon had 86 more AB’s than that duo against their platoon splits), you’d get a total of about 17 HR and 77 RBI.
Add to that, I don’t think it’s out of line to assume that the Diaz/Melky combo would play better defense, especially since Melky would get the majority of the time due to batting LH, and there being more RH starters in MLB.
So, Boras thinks that 7 or so more HR and a handful or RBI (yeah, I get it’s hard to assume RBI based on lineup spot, and guys around them in the lineup, but…), not to mention likely play worse defense….. Yet he’s the “difference” in the Braves not only making the playoffs but passing Philly along the way?
No wonder Wren paid what he paid for Lowe. Boras is a frickin’ magician with his negotiating methods.
Damon might put more butts in the seats. Which is about the only way I see him vastly improving the Braves in any capacity. I’m not agaisnt getting him. he’d help and also help Bobby avoid a straight platoon. IE, allow him to set his lineup and roll with it.
But for Boras to make the claim he’s making is just insane.
I was not a fan of Tecate until I was out there. I had a large veranda overlooking the Sangre de Cristo Mountains. We would sit out there with beer and tamales to watch the sun set.
Where do we identify the seeming gap between the Braves and the Phillies? — Moe Berg
IMO, if Cole Hamels returns to his 2008 form, forget anything but the wildcard. However, if not and the Braves can stay relatively healthy, and a few of the boys can bounce back from sub-par years…..(ex pitcher, Joaquin Andujar used to say it best) “You can sum it all up in 2 words, you never know”.
Titled, TOGETHER, 1970. They play off each other on some old standards like TANGERINE. Played TAKE FIVE on their 1959 album TIME OUT. The quintessential BRUBECK-DESMOND co-laberation. If you dig TAKE FIVE you should love BLUE RONDO A LA TURK also on TIME OUT. I’ve got the original vinyl. Just played it last week-end.
I had a large veranda overlooking the Sangre de Cristo Mountains. Moe
I lived in Colorado for a while in the 50s. My dad career Army got into prospecting for Uranium back then since it was a big deal with the Atomic Age beginning. He used to spend all his spare time scouring the mountains looking for the stuff. The “Blood of Christ” mountains in southern Colorado was one of his favorite haunts. He knew a rancher up there whose range went up into them. They could only spend about 7 to 8 months at the most at the main house and moved down lower the rest of the time. Your mention of them brought back all the times he dragged my sorry butt around up there. Great scenery, tiring work at that elevation. He actually had some yearly payments come in for a long time afterwards. Nothing all that much but a nice little present every year.
February 5th, 2010
1:10 am
I was not a fan of Tecate until I was out there. I had a large veranda overlooking the Sangre de Cristo Mountains….. The BLOOD of CHRIST MONTANAS. Must have been striking. Always wanted to go to N.M. Yuengling good, but if not fresh can leave a bit of a bite. I like MOOSEHEAD, MORETTI, and SHINER BOCK also.
Chuck James can Potentially be Solid until the 6th again!!!
February 5th, 2010 1:20 am
N8
Very good points. The only thing is as much as they say its Heyward’s spot to lose or he’s getting a complete opportunity to make the OD roster, I think it’s trash. I think there is no chance he makes the OD roster, especially if Diaz/Cabrera are hitting and ready to go. Only way I think Heyward makes it is if he hits like .400 with 10+ HR’s in ST. I just don’t see it happening though…
This is random but did anybody have that Rolling Rock red beer yet??
“If this team isn’t good enough to catch Philly with Diaz/Melky platooning, what the hell does Damon really bring to the table that’s going to greatly improve the team.”–N8
I think I am in agreement. We don’t have an outfield with any star power, but it is a fairly solid, reliable one. Not sure that Damon is really the person to transform it.
My year out in Santa Fe was the laziest year of my life. I went hiking every afternoon on the outskirts of town. Worked a little in the morning and spent a lot of time thinking about what I wanted to do with my life. I never figured that out. However, I moved to Boston, where the pace of life did not provide time for such self reflection.
February 5th, 2010
1:04 am
“has anyone had the red oval classic from trader joes. 2.99 for a sixer
No, but I’ll check with my man “six-pack.” Oh shyt, I forgot, he died of cirrhosis three years back. Well, never mind. I’ve been hooked on MANHATTENS lately.
Chuck James, I tend to agree. I think they’ll keep Heyward down, just like they did Hanson. But maybe not. Maybe he’ll make it impossible for them to do so.
Here’s the thing. If Heyward IS ready to play, and they keep him down for money purposes (which I’m more than fine with long term), just like they did with Hanson, and they haven’t signed Damon? Some people are going to cry that they’re lying about trying to put a winner on the field.
If Wren signs Damon and Melky or Diaz (whichever is not traded) start in RF until Heyward is ready, Wren can claim Heyward wasn’t ready and signing Damon gave them the best chance to win. Half of me says that is the MAIN reason to sign Damon now. Spend a few million (2-4 more than they’ll spend on either Diaz or Melky), by adding Damon, while possibly saving 10 million dollars down the road? All while giving the appearance that they are doing the right thing to put the best product on the field. Maybe I’m over-thinking it? LOL
man that is irritating. every so often the comment from a previous post does not get replaced with a new coppy and paste so the leadin quote makes no sense. The last post was agreeing with Moe that Damon might not be the guy to get er dun
I should add, that while I think Heyward could probably come up and find numerous ways to help the Braves win (bat, legs, glove, arm, enthusiasm, etc….), I think a month or two in AAA could do wonders for his career.
If Melky and or Diaz could hold the fort down until he arrives, why not have Heyward arrive with a full head of steam, just the way Hanson did last June, after dominating AAA for a 6-8 weeks?
I’ve said it before, we may get more out of Heyward in the final four months, if he starts at AAA, than we get out of him for 6 full months if he skips AAA all together. Hard to say. And also depends on what we’d get in his abscence during April and May in RF. Might be out of the race by June if we get Francoeur/KJ numbers out of RF in that stretch.
If Chipper and Glaus are healthy and hitting, it isn’t going to matter if Brad Komminsk suits up in RF. Only way RF matters, imo, is if Glaus or Chipper can’t contribute.
February 5th, 2010
1:20 am
“If this team isn’t good enough to catch Philly with Diaz/Melky platooning, what the hell does Damon really bring to the table that’s going to greatly improve the team.”–N8
I think I am in agreement. We don’t have an outfield with any star power, but it is a fairly solid, reliable one. Not sure that Damon is really the person to transform it.
SCOTT will be quite disheartened to hear it. BTW, I’m with you guys 100%. So if DAMON happens, he happens, and if not oh well………………NYTOL.
February 5th, 2010
1:31 am
I should add, that while I think Heyward could probably come up and find numerous ways to help the Braves win (bat, legs, glove, arm, enthusiasm, etc….), I think a month or two in AAA could do wonders for his career.
If Melky and or Diaz could hold the fort down until he arrives, why not have Heyward arrive with a full head of steam, just the way Hanson did last June, after dominating AAA for a 6-8 weeks?
I’ve said it before, we may get more out of Heyward in the final four months, if he starts at AAA, than we get out of him for 6 full months if he skips AAA all together. Hard to say. And also depends on what we’d get in his abscence during April and May in RF. Might be out of the race by June if we get Francoeur/KJ numbers out of RF in that stretch.
If Chipper and Glaus are healthy and hitting, it isn’t going to matter if Brad Komminsk suits up in RF. Only way RF matters, imo, is if Glaus or Chipper can’t contribute.
Chuck James can Potentially be Solid until the 6th again!!!
February 5th, 2010 1:41 am
N8
The funny part is you’re not overthinking or overanalyzing this situation. It’s very hairy for Wren, for lack of better words. I bet you if we had access to his brain, he is hoping that Heyward has a nice ST but nothing like I described above (.400 AVG / 10+ HR’s). I don’t think those numbers are reasonable but Wren is going to only bring him up if he does something outrageous like that, watch.
The long term plan is what is on his mind here. Also I bet Wren’s thinking is you’re not losing too much defensively and offensively you have a lifetime .310 hitter with solid defense manning RF. It’s not like you have Francoeur in the lineup being a detriment to everyone else. I think they do everything in their power to keep Hanson down “to get some AB’s and seasoning in AAA” until mid-June with the notion that Heyward will come in and give the team a burst of youthful energy and a shot in the arm for the summer stretch run, ala Francoeur in 2005. You can’t downplay how much Jeff meant to that 2005 division title. He was on fire both offensively and defensively!
Chuck James can Potentially be Solid until the 6th again!!!
February 5th, 2010 1:46 am
In a perfect world I say go get Damon for 2 YR/$11 million ($4.5 in ‘10, $6.5 mill in ‘11). That will guarantee Damon coming here. Melky or Matt will be movable in ST. Break camp with McLouth, Damon, Diaz or Melky as starter until mid-June Heyward call up in RF. With the Damon signing and moving him in leadoff dropping Nate down to the 6th hole and Esco to 7th the Braves lineup becomes 10x more formidable. Only thing that makes me nervous is Glaus. So much is riding on his health….
“So if DAMON happens, he happens, and if not oh well.”
That’s pretty much where I stand. Just want him to sign somewhere so the speculating can stop.
If I really thought he was the difference maker in our lineup, I’d be begging for him to come. But he’s not, so I’m not. But I’m not going to be mad (like some will) if he does choose Atlanta.
It’s an efficiant way for Wren to manage the 25 man roster to Bobby’s liking.
If the OF is Damon, McLouth and Heyward (with Diaz or Melky as the 4th OF – and Hinske as the 5th), it allows Wren and Bobby to use the roster a bit differently. With three guys expected to start everyday, you could really look for a guy that is good coming off the bench, or a guy that can fill multiple positions if needed.
But with a straight platoon, you are left with absolutely having 2 guys that are purely OF like Diaz or Melky for one spot.
Ultimately, it comes down to 4 outfielders and Hinske. So maybe not. While I’ve always liked a set everyday lineup (creates rythym and consistency), I’ve also had no problem with Bobby using a platoon if there isn’t anybody capable of being the everyday guy.
But as I’ve stated, I’m just not sold that Damon gives the Braves any more production than a platoon of Melky/Diaz when all is said and done. Maybe a little more pop. But not enough to justify the move.
Boras knows it as well. What would be ironic, is if Melky and Diaz were Boras clients. THAT would be funny. Wonder how his tune would change then? If the Braves were to trade one away, they might go to a team where they’d get more AB’s and a chance to start everyday. But the one who stays, all of the sudden becomes strictly a 4th OF.
I bet he wouldn’t have made that public comment if either of them were his clients.
richbrave, I found it on a more traditional “You Tube” and also the correct order of the songs on the album. Started over and I’m listening to “Tangerine”. Yeah, from what I’ve heard so far, I like it. Is this what you and nolie referred to as traditional jazz?
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jeffrey d
February 4th, 2010
10:26 pm
“Omar Minaya definitely hoping to grab Wang”.
A season or two ago there was a headline on Yahoo Sports that read “White Sox GM Unsure of Colon’s Location”
(referring to Bartolo Colon)
Venice Jim
February 4th, 2010
10:26 pm
Tom – (groan) – and I will not repeat what my lovely lady just punned…
Eric
February 4th, 2010
10:27 pm
DOB, I saw a few days ago on MLBTR that the Braves were one team that was going to watch Noah Lowry’s throwing session. With our lack of pitching depth and him needing to rehab in the minors a while do you see the Braves bringing him in on a minor league deal?
nolie
February 4th, 2010
10:27 pm
if they can approach Smoltz and say we’ll offer you $1.5 + incentives to reach $2.5-3 million to retire a Brave and have the chance to be a big part of their great potential of success this year. It’s not like other teams are drooling over his services Chuck James
I think John’s mouth has pretty much ensured that ain’t gonna happen, plus Wren is not stupid enough to put himself in the same awful PR position as b4 if Smoltz is a bust. Highly unlikely IMO.
O.J.
February 4th, 2010
10:27 pm
Just read this from USA Today’s Bob Nightengale
“I still feel there is a quality market for Johnny Damon,” Boras says, “and I’m negotiating with a number of teams. There are three teams out there that if they don’t have Johnny Damon, they’re not winning the division. He’s the difference in these teams making the playoffs or not contending.”
Boras is referring to the Detroit Tigers, the Atlanta Braves and an unknown third team.
Is that Boras making stuff up again or are the Braves really one of the 3 teams?
benchwarmer
February 4th, 2010
10:30 pm
Roesanne Cash has a good album out called The List. Part of a list her father gave her of the 100 must know country songs of all time.
Bill
February 4th, 2010
10:31 pm
Are the Jays one of the Teams?
unbelievable
February 4th, 2010
10:31 pm
“ERIC – DOB, I saw a few days ago on MLBTR that the Braves were one team that was going to watch Noah Lowry’s throwing session. With our lack of pitching depth”
lack of pitching depth? I would love to see what depth looks like then. We’ve got probably 7 starters who could start for other teams right now
nolie
February 4th, 2010
10:31 pm
Just finished Funny People…. a little disappointing. Heath
I thought so too. actually about the only comedy I’ve really liked lately is I Love You Man
RHR
February 4th, 2010
10:32 pm
Can’t believe all you atlanta area music aficionados skipped the black eyed peas concert tonight.
I think one of the funniest comments I’ve ever read on twitter was Ken Tremendous’ comments about them during that VS fashion show thing.
Tom O'Hawke
February 4th, 2010
10:33 pm
Tom – (groan) – and I will not repeat what my lovely lady just punned…
Jim, I apologize. I’m still a bit foggy from my hangover. Once I found out that yesterday was “National Signong Day”, I started celebrating.
O.J.
February 4th, 2010
10:33 pm
Bill, I would have to think the Jays are the other team.
unbelievable
February 4th, 2010
10:33 pm
OJ – never listen to a thing Boras says. Id like to see three offers that have even been submitted, outside of the Yanks, for Damon. Damon hasnt signed because the market isnt there. He’s trying to play this up so he can get Damon a 2yr deal somewhere.
O.J.
February 4th, 2010
10:34 pm
I kind of think the same thing, but I just wouldnt mind it if we did sign Damon, be a good leadoff hitter I think.
Heath
February 4th, 2010
10:34 pm
nolie -
As far as comedians go…the movie had a who’s who list…was loaded. Maybe that is why I was so disappointed.
cabravesfan
February 4th, 2010
10:35 pm
Tom-
(expletive deleted)!!!
nolie
February 4th, 2010
10:35 pm
But the same determination that makes him defy the laws of age and physics is also what makes him an un-empathetic/sympathetic @$$-munch and likely the reason he’s divorced. Grinch
yeah he can be an AH a lot of the time. I don’t like him either, but he was a very good pitcher for Los Bravos, no question.
Venice Jim
February 4th, 2010
10:36 pm
I guess, in the future, on the rare days I actually work, I need to go back and check her proofreading…not that I’ve ever mentioned it to her before…
nolie
February 4th, 2010
10:38 pm
why you got to break our blues Grinch
ain’t it why you gotta break YOUR blues ?
Heath
February 4th, 2010
10:39 pm
DOB -
Where you stand on expanding the NCAA tourney?
Tom O'Hawke
February 4th, 2010
10:41 pm
cabravesfan, Ahh, good! I was afraid I went back too far.
Garla
February 4th, 2010
10:45 pm
I went to the caravan today in Nashville. Toward the end of it as the crowd was thinning out, I jokingly ask Wren if he was going to make any moves today. He smiled and said he didn’t think so today. I said no promises about tomorrow though right and he said that’s right, you never know. Don’t mistake that for something happening. Like he’d share it with me anyway but my family enjoyed the afternoon and the opportunity it presented. Can’t wait to watch Heyward in Atlanta.
AtTheMike
February 4th, 2010
10:46 pm
smoltz-arrogant? No kidding.
Chipper is arrogant himself, but I think he’s a bit more grounded than ole’ john.
I think john needs to realize that he wasn’t as good as maddux and glavine did pitch one of the best pitched games ever by a brave in game 6 of the ‘95 world series against what was a very potent indians lineup. Glav flat out dominated hitters one after the other.
Shanks A Lot
February 4th, 2010
10:48 pm
Re: Funny People
First half of the film- hilarious, dark, somewhat twisted but very good.
Second half of the film- tossed in a love story, filled time, lame.
Tom O'Hawke
February 4th, 2010
10:51 pm
Did you get tonsil stones too? I learned the past few days not to burst those nuggets in half. The smell is grotesque.
AtTheMike, I hope this isn’t one of your pick-up lines.
AtTheMike
February 4th, 2010
10:57 pm
OJ– that article you qouted goes along with what had heard this morning. I believe in that atlanta has an offer on the table and good ole’ boras is waiting for a better one. The man didn’t even say what third team is involved in this, but I’ll take a guess here and say the rays. Burrell and damon could be platoon buddy’s in LF and johnny is from fla.
However, it’s about the money in the end…. it almost always is. Having an extra year tagged on to the contract might help too.
nolie
February 4th, 2010
10:59 pm
http://www.last.fm/music/Seasick+Steve/+videos/+1-113FzU6Uf9U
Seasick Steve blues
Bad Scooter
February 4th, 2010
11:03 pm
DOB- your brew of choice?
Heath
February 4th, 2010
11:04 pm
lexbrave -
Have you heard anything about the rumor that Calipari is gonna debut Lebron-brand unis for the UT game/gameday?
Shanks A Lot
February 4th, 2010
11:06 pm
Yuengling is good beer
AtTheMike
February 4th, 2010
11:07 pm
Tom O’Hawk– I’m an honest guy. There’s no sugar coating with me. Pick up line? Of course not. But I’m open with discussing anything at just about any time, Tom O’Hawk.
I’ve found over the years that woman are just as, if not more, vile and crude than any man. Believe me, if you had seen the things I’ve seen…..
Tom O'Hawke
February 4th, 2010
11:09 pm
richbrave
I wasn’t here last night, but you asked me about some of my jazz favorites from the 80’s. I was a bit young at the time, but once I started liking jazz, I started working back in time. I’m not positive about the decade, most of the artists I like span several years, but some that I like include (in addition to Grover Washington); David Sanborn, Simply Red, John Klemmer, Chuck Mangione, Larry Coryell, Al Dimeola, Jean-LucPonty, and Spyro Gyra.
I could go on, but I don’t want this to look like something dentzian. A couple of great rock guitarists that I like, Jeff Beck and Carlos Santana, also are among my jazz favorites.
nolie
February 4th, 2010
11:11 pm
(in addition to Grover Washington); David Sanborn, Simply Red, John Klemmer, Chuck Mangione, Larry Coryell, Al Dimeola, Jean-LucPonty, and Spyro Gyra. TOM
sounds like you might like Fusion more that pure jazz from that list
Venice Jim
February 4th, 2010
11:15 pm
Nice job by Carroll Rogers of writing the Ga Tech – Duke story without showing any signs of bias towards her alma mater…
AtTheMike
February 4th, 2010
11:16 pm
“holding back the yeàrs… thinkin’ about the fear I’ve held for so long.
And I’ll keep holdin’ on…. and I’ll keeep holdin’ on”
Simply Red
Tom O'Hawke
February 4th, 2010
11:17 pm
AtTheMike, It’s just a personal choice, but I always try to leave the vile and crude stuff out until the 2nd date. That’s just me though.
nolie
February 4th, 2010
11:25 pm
ATM’s favorite line is “If you can get your tongue in far enough babe, you night get to take a tonsil stone home as a remembrance of tonight”
AtTheMike
February 4th, 2010
11:25 pm
There’s a few lines in that simply red song about how he’s wated all those years and he will keep holding on.
I’ve wasted years in my life, but you really have no choice but to hold on and move on.
That song means something to me. It always has for some reason.
AtTheMike
February 4th, 2010
11:33 pm
nolie– that was great. I liked that one a lot. I just got the dogs barking from laughing so loud at that one!
Tom O'Hawke
February 4th, 2010
11:33 pm
sounds like you might like Fusion more that pure jazz from that list
nolie, you’re good man. Thanks to XM radio, I found myself liking Fusion, before I even knew the term. There used to be a station called, “Beyond Jazz”, that I liked. I kept hearing the term, “Fusion”, and wondered what it was.
I’m not sure what your definition of “pure jazz” is, although I may have an idea. Always considered that all music that didn’t fall into any other category, was jazz.
Tom O'Hawke
February 4th, 2010
11:35 pm
AtTheMike, do you like Simply Red, or just that song.
AtTheMike
February 4th, 2010
11:44 pm
Tom O’Hawk– I just like that song.
N8
February 4th, 2010
11:45 pm
“…go listen to ‘fleetwood mac live’…that’s a really good album. stevie nicks’ singing is great and lindsay buckingham’s soloing is pretty grand.” jed
You’re first mistake is assuming that any live album is actually live. At the very least, vocals get overdubbed (or at least the mistakes do).
And would people stop lumping my comments about Nicks into the same barrell by assuming I’m not a Lindsey Buckingham fan. He is a FANTASTIC guitar player, and I’ve not remotely come close to saying otherwise.
David O'Brien
February 4th, 2010
11:57 pm
N8, personally I’ve always liked Stevie Nicks’ voice. Perfect for the band’s California rock….
OJ, you commented about what Bob Nightengale wrote, the quote from Boras. Read again what he said and what Bob wrote:
“I still feel there is a quality market for Johnny Damon,” Boras says, “and I’m negotiating with a number of teams. There are three teams out there that if they don’t have Johnny Damon, they’re not winning the division. He’s the difference in these teams making the playoffs or not contending.”
Boras is referring to the Detroit Tigers, the Atlanta Braves and an unknown third team.
He didn’t actually say the Braves were one of the teams he’s negotiating with. He said the Braves were one of the “three teams out there” that won’t win the division without Damon.
Splitting hairs? Yes. But he can correctly say that he never claimed he was negotiating with the Braves, only that he said they’re one of the teams that can’t win their division without Damon.
And he does believe that, or is at least saying it. He told me the same thing about the Braves.
N8
February 5th, 2010
12:04 am
“N8, personally I’ve always liked Stevie Nicks’ voice. Perfect for the band’s California rock…” DOB
Sometimes I can’t tell with you, whether you’re trying to get my goat or not. But I’m not saying I dislike her voice either. I think it’s unique, and as you stated perfect for them. Can’t imagine Fleetwood Mac without it.
I’ve just seen clips of her where she’s appeared to be less than stellar live, and relayed the story of my parents saying how bad they were back in the early-mid 70’s (not sure of the exact year).
But so what? I’ve got all of the Kissology DVD’s and even as a diehard Kiss fan, am not afraid to state that until about 15 years ago, they pretty much sucked live (singing wise). Obviously they were more about the show back in the day. But you watch that old footage and it’s damn near painful.
Add to that, that Kiss Alive! is one of the more well documented instances of an album not even being live. But while Paul Stanley might be a bit older and a bit fatter these days, he’s also a helluva lot better singer than he was in the 70’s.
But I haven’t said anything about not liking Stevie’s voice. Love her voice. Just don’t think she always does the best job of impersonating herself.
Green Tinted Sixties Mind
February 5th, 2010
12:05 am
Damn, glad my names not Peter Shmuck like the guy in the Raven’s owner article blasting the Yanks.
David O'Brien
February 5th, 2010
12:08 am
Heath, I guess I’m in the minority of those among the blog who’ve seen Funny People, because I actually liked it. First hour was great, and though next 90 minutes was about 30 minutes too long, the story was good and there were enough funny scenes and good performances — like Aziz Ansari, who’s hilarious — to keep me into it.
And you’re right — extras on Blu-Ray were outstanding.
New blog coming
AtTheMike
February 5th, 2010
12:09 am
Boras is dumb…braves aren’t winning the division even with damon.
BossLady
February 5th, 2010
12:10 am
I saw the comments about rumors surrounding McFann. Did we not see her and the family in Gwinnett last year? STOP NOW
I don’t want to sit around worrying about Damon. As a lady (or woman) daydreaming about someone I could have I only want what I have. That being said, if Damon comes to Braves then I will see him then.
Okay, The Yankees and Scott Boras are in America and we must as Americans get as much money as we can that is in our grasps. I am not worried if the Yankees won the series or if Boras is gouging teams for his clients. His list of players are the best paid in the MLB and he is “crazy rich” by representing. That is why we are knowN as the big capitalist.
In this household we seek more money each waking day. I push my staff to make sure they “get theirs” not for my sales numbers, but so they can live well. You can’t tell me that in America that only 10% of the citizens are below the elite wealthy.
So,.. I close in this if there is money to be made and if money can buy what you need then by all means then seek it without delay.
N8
February 5th, 2010
12:10 am
I disagree that Damon is the difference between winning the division or not. What a silly “blanket” statement for Boras to make. Sure, they might not win the division without Damon. But there is certainly no guarantee that they DO win the division if he’s a Brave either.
If that’s the case, is Boras (and Damon) willing to play for a base fee of 1 million dollars, with a 5 million dollar bonus upon post-season play?
I mean, if Boras is SO confident that he is the difference, how about set up a 2nd year option for 10 million dollars that automatically vests if the Braves make the playoffs, and he starts in LF in more than say 145 games?
That seems a little ridiculous to me, and if I’m Wren, I’m insulted by it. Damon may improve portions of the Braves, and bring some veteran leadership. But lets not forget, Melky took his spot in CF on the same team that won the WS last year.
So like it or not, other than Chipper, Lowe, and Glaus, Melky is the only other current Brave to a WS ring to my knowledge.
He’s now just overselling his client (which is his job), because he messed up earlier in the off-season and mis calculated his worth.
But with or without Damon, this team is unlikely to catch Philly.
Moe Berg
February 5th, 2010
12:23 am
There seems to be a sentiment that even with Damon, we cannot catch Philadelphia. (I probably incline towards said sentiment.) But what is the missing piece? What would be necessary to catch them? The rotation looks good. The bullpen (barring health problems) looks good. Short stop and third base (assuming he returns to form) is good. First base could potentially be good. Second, was good last year, and we hope replicates that year. The outfield has some question marks, admittedly. Is that it? Just one start outfielder and we are in contention? Where do we identify the seeming gap between the Braves and the Phillies?
Moe Berg
February 5th, 2010
12:45 am
Wow. The blog is dead tonight. I’m not claiming that my questions were so provocative. Merely surprised that no one else has had anything to say in a bit of time. Guess, I’ll just go get another splash of bourbon.
richbrave
February 5th, 2010
12:45 am
Yeah TOM O’ I’ve got all those artists one album or another exclusively on vinyl. Like your cross-over selecting and Rock guitar especially. SANTANA, yeah. Had on a bit of CHET BAKER and PAUL DESMOND tonight TOGETHER. Hey nolie, you dig the groove don’t you cat?
Jarryd
February 5th, 2010
12:54 am
speakin’ of brews, has anyone had the red oval classic from trader joes. 2.99 for a sixer, not bad for a college kid
nolie
February 5th, 2010
12:55 am
Hey nolie, you dig the groove don’t you cat? rich
yeah I like most of it rich. I guess there are a few jazz artists I don’t care all that much for like Ornette Coleman and some of the other free jazz players and the newer acid jazz I think it’s called.
Love Dixieland, Swing, Fusion & most Be-bop
richbrave
February 5th, 2010
12:57 am
TOM O’:
“purists” of jazz prefer the ensemble approach where a line is laid down, and the rendition is established by all the instruments in the jazz group playing in unison. As the melody is developed, each member of the group plays individual solos as variations of the theme. Some jazz personages were famous for being quite original and striking in their renditions of the song being played. At the conclusion, after the last individual solo, the group kicks in and reverts to the original line, completing the song. I’m not versed in music, never studied it, but them’s my words for how I see “traditional” jazz.
Tom O'Hawke
February 5th, 2010
12:58 am
richbrave, I’m, currently, listening to an album by Santana called, “Beyond Appearances”. I only know that Desmond had something to do with one of my all-time favorites, “Take Five”, by Dave Brubek. Did he write it.
Not familiar with his work with Chet Baker. What’s the name of the album? I’ll see if I can find it.
richbrave
February 5th, 2010
1:03 am
STING has some jazz in his soul and of course, I loved STEELY DAN.
Moe Berg
February 5th, 2010
1:04 am
“has anyone had the red oval classic from trader joes. 2.99 for a sixer”
I’m not familiar with that. But it reminds me of years ago (when I was still primarily a beer drinker), when I lived in Santa Fe. I could get six packs of Tecate at the grocery store for 2.99, and a tamale wholesaler down the road sold a dozen tamales for 4.99. We would get beer and tamales and feast.
nolie
February 5th, 2010
1:04 am
pretty good description rich. Originally jazz was a dance musid Dixieland and then swing. In the 50’s Be-bop changed it to a listining music with more emphasis on chord based solos. My earlier use of the term pure jazz was a poor choice of words since there have been so many stages and forms. I thinking more along the lines of Be-bop.
Jarryd
February 5th, 2010
1:06 am
even though im not a big fan of Tecate, that still sounds like a good night moe
nolie
February 5th, 2010
1:08 am
TOM Desmond wrote it, Brubeck was the first recording I believe. Great 5/4 song.Since done by hundreds of groups.
N8
February 5th, 2010
1:08 am
Moe, I think with good health, our rotation trumps their good lineup over 162 games.
I just don’t expect our guys (Glaus, Chipper, Wagner, Saito and maybe even Hudson missing a few starts), are going to be healthy for 162 games. Add in the fact that our best hitter plays catcher and will need days off and wear down as the season winds down?
The question is whether guys like Glaus and Chipper when healthy can lead this team into streaks or stretches where they take advandtage of the stellar rotation. Maybe they win 15 out of 20 when the lineup is at full strenght but play .500 ball when it’s not?
I guess my main point is that while Damon is a guaranteed steady hitter with a long track record of what he does well, I’m not 100 sold that at this age, he’s that much better than a Melky/Diaz platoon (assuming heyward is in RF), and certainly not good enough to be the difference bewteen catching the Phillies or not.
If this team isn’t good enough to catch Philly with Diaz/Melky platooning, what the hell does Damon really bring to the table that’s going to greatly improve the team.
Now, if Heyward won’t be up until June, I will concede that having Damon in LF while Melky/Diaz platoon RF is probably a nice option to have. But if Heyward is deemed “ready” and is on the opening day roster, it’s not worth spending the money on Damon.
I suppose if Wren really likes the thought of Damon at leadoff, he could sign him, and if Heyward is on the opening day roster as the spring winds down, then he could make a last second trade of Melky and or Diaz?
In 550 AB’s last year, Damon hit .281 (155 hits), with 24 HR and 82 RBI.
In 328 AB’s against RHP, Melky hit .278 (91 hits), with 8 HR and 41 RBI. Diaz in 136 AB’s against LHP, hit .411 (56 hits), with 6 HR and 24 RBI.
So combined against their respective alleged platoon splits, Diaz/Melky in 464 AB’s, batted .316 with 14 HR and 65 RBI.
So, when you “calculate” and pro-rate in the other 86 AB’s (Damon had 86 more AB’s than that duo against their platoon splits), you’d get a total of about 17 HR and 77 RBI.
Add to that, I don’t think it’s out of line to assume that the Diaz/Melky combo would play better defense, especially since Melky would get the majority of the time due to batting LH, and there being more RH starters in MLB.
So, Boras thinks that 7 or so more HR and a handful or RBI (yeah, I get it’s hard to assume RBI based on lineup spot, and guys around them in the lineup, but…), not to mention likely play worse defense….. Yet he’s the “difference” in the Braves not only making the playoffs but passing Philly along the way?
No wonder Wren paid what he paid for Lowe. Boras is a frickin’ magician with his negotiating methods.
Damon might put more butts in the seats. Which is about the only way I see him vastly improving the Braves in any capacity. I’m not agaisnt getting him. he’d help and also help Bobby avoid a straight platoon. IE, allow him to set his lineup and roll with it.
But for Boras to make the claim he’s making is just insane.
Moe Berg
February 5th, 2010
1:10 am
I was not a fan of Tecate until I was out there. I had a large veranda overlooking the Sangre de Cristo Mountains. We would sit out there with beer and tamales to watch the sun set.
Tom O'Hawke
February 5th, 2010
1:10 am
Where do we identify the seeming gap between the Braves and the Phillies? — Moe Berg
IMO, if Cole Hamels returns to his 2008 form, forget anything but the wildcard. However, if not and the Braves can stay relatively healthy, and a few of the boys can bounce back from sub-par years…..(ex pitcher, Joaquin Andujar used to say it best) “You can sum it all up in 2 words, you never know”.
richbrave
February 5th, 2010
1:11 am
Titled, TOGETHER, 1970. They play off each other on some old standards like TANGERINE. Played TAKE FIVE on their 1959 album TIME OUT. The quintessential BRUBECK-DESMOND co-laberation. If you dig TAKE FIVE you should love BLUE RONDO A LA TURK also on TIME OUT. I’ve got the original vinyl. Just played it last week-end.
Chuck James can Potentially be Solid until the 6th again!!!
February 5th, 2010
1:15 am
N8
How can you forget the good luck charm Hinske? 3 straight WS appearances!! haha
uga-brave
February 5th, 2010
1:16 am
nolie, still around?
nolie
February 5th, 2010
1:18 am
I had a large veranda overlooking the Sangre de Cristo Mountains. Moe
I lived in Colorado for a while in the 50s. My dad career Army got into prospecting for Uranium back then since it was a big deal with the Atomic Age beginning. He used to spend all his spare time scouring the mountains looking for the stuff. The “Blood of Christ” mountains in southern Colorado was one of his favorite haunts. He knew a rancher up there whose range went up into them. They could only spend about 7 to 8 months at the most at the main house and moved down lower the rest of the time. Your mention of them brought back all the times he dragged my sorry butt around up there. Great scenery, tiring work at that elevation. He actually had some yearly payments come in for a long time afterwards. Nothing all that much but a nice little present every year.
richbrave
February 5th, 2010
1:18 am
Moe Berg
February 5th, 2010
1:10 am
I was not a fan of Tecate until I was out there. I had a large veranda overlooking the Sangre de Cristo Mountains….. The BLOOD of CHRIST MONTANAS. Must have been striking. Always wanted to go to N.M. Yuengling good, but if not fresh can leave a bit of a bite. I like MOOSEHEAD, MORETTI, and SHINER BOCK also.
Chuck James can Potentially be Solid until the 6th again!!!
February 5th, 2010
1:20 am
N8
Very good points. The only thing is as much as they say its Heyward’s spot to lose or he’s getting a complete opportunity to make the OD roster, I think it’s trash. I think there is no chance he makes the OD roster, especially if Diaz/Cabrera are hitting and ready to go. Only way I think Heyward makes it is if he hits like .400 with 10+ HR’s in ST. I just don’t see it happening though…
This is random but did anybody have that Rolling Rock red beer yet??
Moe Berg
February 5th, 2010
1:20 am
“If this team isn’t good enough to catch Philly with Diaz/Melky platooning, what the hell does Damon really bring to the table that’s going to greatly improve the team.”–N8
I think I am in agreement. We don’t have an outfield with any star power, but it is a fairly solid, reliable one. Not sure that Damon is really the person to transform it.
Moe Berg
February 5th, 2010
1:22 am
My year out in Santa Fe was the laziest year of my life. I went hiking every afternoon on the outskirts of town. Worked a little in the morning and spent a lot of time thinking about what I wanted to do with my life. I never figured that out. However, I moved to Boston, where the pace of life did not provide time for such self reflection.
uga-brave
February 5th, 2010
1:22 am
nolie, we have thrashers seasonn tickets. my wife is from pittsburgh.
giving away kolychauk. hurts.
Jarryd
February 5th, 2010
1:22 am
i understand how that would change your perception of it moe, not much too look at here in statesboro, unless you are at the right bar.
nolie
February 5th, 2010
1:23 am
I had a large veranda overlooking the Sangre de Cristo Mountains. Moe
me neither.I think Nate is a more than adequate leadoff hitter and signing Johnny does not add the power that I think we could use.
Tom O'Hawke
February 5th, 2010
1:23 am
Hey, richbrave, I found it. It’s on an Asian version of “You Tube”. Currently listening to “Autumn Leaves”.
richbrave
February 5th, 2010
1:25 am
Moe Berg
February 5th, 2010
1:04 am
“has anyone had the red oval classic from trader joes. 2.99 for a sixer
No, but I’ll check with my man “six-pack.” Oh shyt, I forgot, he died of cirrhosis three years back. Well, never mind. I’ve been hooked on MANHATTENS lately.
N8
February 5th, 2010
1:25 am
Chuck James, I tend to agree. I think they’ll keep Heyward down, just like they did Hanson. But maybe not. Maybe he’ll make it impossible for them to do so.
Here’s the thing. If Heyward IS ready to play, and they keep him down for money purposes (which I’m more than fine with long term), just like they did with Hanson, and they haven’t signed Damon? Some people are going to cry that they’re lying about trying to put a winner on the field.
If Wren signs Damon and Melky or Diaz (whichever is not traded) start in RF until Heyward is ready, Wren can claim Heyward wasn’t ready and signing Damon gave them the best chance to win. Half of me says that is the MAIN reason to sign Damon now. Spend a few million (2-4 more than they’ll spend on either Diaz or Melky), by adding Damon, while possibly saving 10 million dollars down the road? All while giving the appearance that they are doing the right thing to put the best product on the field. Maybe I’m over-thinking it? LOL
Moe, obviously I agree with you.
nolie
February 5th, 2010
1:26 am
man that is irritating. every so often the comment from a previous post does not get replaced with a new coppy and paste so the leadin quote makes no sense. The last post was agreeing with Moe that Damon might not be the guy to get er dun
uga-brave
February 5th, 2010
1:28 am
then again j.p. morgan right?
richbrave
February 5th, 2010
1:29 am
Jarryd:
“statesboro blues.” Isn’t that an ALLMAN BROTHERS cut? Sounds like things are pretty much the same in statesboro.
uga-brave
February 5th, 2010
1:30 am
white shoe shop. nolie understnads that.
richbrave
February 5th, 2010
1:30 am
Tom O’Hawke
February 5th, 2010
1:23 am
Hey, richbrave, I found it. It’s on an Asian version of “You Tube”. Currently listening to “Autumn Leaves”.
You like?
N8
February 5th, 2010
1:31 am
I should add, that while I think Heyward could probably come up and find numerous ways to help the Braves win (bat, legs, glove, arm, enthusiasm, etc….), I think a month or two in AAA could do wonders for his career.
If Melky and or Diaz could hold the fort down until he arrives, why not have Heyward arrive with a full head of steam, just the way Hanson did last June, after dominating AAA for a 6-8 weeks?
I’ve said it before, we may get more out of Heyward in the final four months, if he starts at AAA, than we get out of him for 6 full months if he skips AAA all together. Hard to say. And also depends on what we’d get in his abscence during April and May in RF. Might be out of the race by June if we get Francoeur/KJ numbers out of RF in that stretch.
If Chipper and Glaus are healthy and hitting, it isn’t going to matter if Brad Komminsk suits up in RF. Only way RF matters, imo, is if Glaus or Chipper can’t contribute.
Cherokee
February 5th, 2010
1:31 am
Prospecting for Uranium, huh? Man that dates you my friend.
richbrave
February 5th, 2010
1:32 am
Moe Berg
February 5th, 2010
1:20 am
“If this team isn’t good enough to catch Philly with Diaz/Melky platooning, what the hell does Damon really bring to the table that’s going to greatly improve the team.”–N8
I think I am in agreement. We don’t have an outfield with any star power, but it is a fairly solid, reliable one. Not sure that Damon is really the person to transform it.
SCOTT will be quite disheartened to hear it. BTW, I’m with you guys 100%. So if DAMON happens, he happens, and if not oh well………………NYTOL.
nolie
February 5th, 2010
1:33 am
Prospecting for Uranium, huh? Man that dates you my friend. Cherokee
yeah who nowdays even knows that uranium prospecting ever happened?
richbrave
February 5th, 2010
1:34 am
N8
February 5th, 2010
1:31 am
I should add, that while I think Heyward could probably come up and find numerous ways to help the Braves win (bat, legs, glove, arm, enthusiasm, etc….), I think a month or two in AAA could do wonders for his career.
If Melky and or Diaz could hold the fort down until he arrives, why not have Heyward arrive with a full head of steam, just the way Hanson did last June, after dominating AAA for a 6-8 weeks?
I’ve said it before, we may get more out of Heyward in the final four months, if he starts at AAA, than we get out of him for 6 full months if he skips AAA all together. Hard to say. And also depends on what we’d get in his abscence during April and May in RF. Might be out of the race by June if we get Francoeur/KJ numbers out of RF in that stretch.
If Chipper and Glaus are healthy and hitting, it isn’t going to matter if Brad Komminsk suits up in RF. Only way RF matters, imo, is if Glaus or Chipper can’t contribute.
Good take N8.
uga-brave
February 5th, 2010
1:35 am
nolie, i am a listed nasdaq trader.
nite tading, our friend dogsbrekky i think is legit.
Jarryd
February 5th, 2010
1:36 am
richbrave,
this place is great, and while not originally their cut, it doesn’t hurt that they did it.
Chuck James can Potentially be Solid until the 6th again!!!
February 5th, 2010
1:41 am
N8
The funny part is you’re not overthinking or overanalyzing this situation. It’s very hairy for Wren, for lack of better words. I bet you if we had access to his brain, he is hoping that Heyward has a nice ST but nothing like I described above (.400 AVG / 10+ HR’s). I don’t think those numbers are reasonable but Wren is going to only bring him up if he does something outrageous like that, watch.
The long term plan is what is on his mind here. Also I bet Wren’s thinking is you’re not losing too much defensively and offensively you have a lifetime .310 hitter with solid defense manning RF. It’s not like you have Francoeur in the lineup being a detriment to everyone else. I think they do everything in their power to keep Hanson down “to get some AB’s and seasoning in AAA” until mid-June with the notion that Heyward will come in and give the team a burst of youthful energy and a shot in the arm for the summer stretch run, ala Francoeur in 2005. You can’t downplay how much Jeff meant to that 2005 division title. He was on fire both offensively and defensively!
uga-brave
February 5th, 2010
1:41 am
worst about it i owned a ton cicsco options.
never scene a great earnings report scene trounced.
nolie
February 5th, 2010
1:42 am
hi UGA. Man I know nuttin’ about any of the markets so I just take Doggy at his word.
Chuck James can Potentially be Solid until the 6th again!!!
February 5th, 2010
1:46 am
In a perfect world I say go get Damon for 2 YR/$11 million ($4.5 in ‘10, $6.5 mill in ‘11). That will guarantee Damon coming here. Melky or Matt will be movable in ST. Break camp with McLouth, Damon, Diaz or Melky as starter until mid-June Heyward call up in RF. With the Damon signing and moving him in leadoff dropping Nate down to the 6th hole and Esco to 7th the Braves lineup becomes 10x more formidable. Only thing that makes me nervous is Glaus. So much is riding on his health….
uga-brave
February 5th, 2010
1:47 am
nolie, the close was weird today.
N8
February 5th, 2010
1:48 am
“So if DAMON happens, he happens, and if not oh well.”
That’s pretty much where I stand. Just want him to sign somewhere so the speculating can stop.
If I really thought he was the difference maker in our lineup, I’d be begging for him to come. But he’s not, so I’m not. But I’m not going to be mad (like some will) if he does choose Atlanta.
It’s an efficiant way for Wren to manage the 25 man roster to Bobby’s liking.
If the OF is Damon, McLouth and Heyward (with Diaz or Melky as the 4th OF – and Hinske as the 5th), it allows Wren and Bobby to use the roster a bit differently. With three guys expected to start everyday, you could really look for a guy that is good coming off the bench, or a guy that can fill multiple positions if needed.
But with a straight platoon, you are left with absolutely having 2 guys that are purely OF like Diaz or Melky for one spot.
Ultimately, it comes down to 4 outfielders and Hinske. So maybe not. While I’ve always liked a set everyday lineup (creates rythym and consistency), I’ve also had no problem with Bobby using a platoon if there isn’t anybody capable of being the everyday guy.
But as I’ve stated, I’m just not sold that Damon gives the Braves any more production than a platoon of Melky/Diaz when all is said and done. Maybe a little more pop. But not enough to justify the move.
Boras knows it as well. What would be ironic, is if Melky and Diaz were Boras clients. THAT would be funny. Wonder how his tune would change then? If the Braves were to trade one away, they might go to a team where they’d get more AB’s and a chance to start everyday. But the one who stays, all of the sudden becomes strictly a 4th OF.
I bet he wouldn’t have made that public comment if either of them were his clients.
nolie
February 5th, 2010
1:49 am
n a perfect world I say go get Damon for 2 YR/$11 million ($4.5 in ‘10, $6.5 mill in ‘11) CJ
not in mine. I wouldn’t guarantee a second year just to get him. It might happen, buy I hope not.
uga-brave
February 5th, 2010
1:49 am
so we closed today at 10,000..
uneployment, report is due today?
Tom O'Hawke
February 5th, 2010
1:50 am
richbrave, I found it on a more traditional “You Tube” and also the correct order of the songs on the album. Started over and I’m listening to “Tangerine”. Yeah, from what I’ve heard so far, I like it. Is this what you and nolie referred to as traditional jazz?