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Moe Berg

January 30th, 2010
2:03 am

Russell Hall? I was glad I avoided it. I lived in Lipscomb Hall my first year in Athens and luckily got off campus the next year. No interest in the high rise dorms. I think there was a spinal meningitis outbreak in Russell, while I was there. And, of course, the usual fires.

Moe Berg

January 30th, 2010
2:06 am

uga-brave–You’re not the first on the blog to make the comment about the screen name and clothing. But Moe was a catcher in MLB in the 20s & 30s, who went on to be a spy in the OSS and its heir institute the CIA.

uga-brave

January 30th, 2010
2:13 am

bay area, dude on my last glass of a GREAT bottle of malbec.

it is a cigar next, or believe it or not skoal. that is why a basement is great. the wife only comes down here when we entertain or she wants to bitch.

in all honesty i got a good one.

David O'Brien

January 30th, 2010
2:26 am

Watched The Departed again for first time in years tonight. Such a remarkable movie. Even better with multiple viewings. (And BossLady, should I say “we” watched it, or if I do do I have to give you the woman’s name I watched it with, and the nature of our relationship? Just kidding. Sort of. But really, we can probably leave it at that.)….

iopbrave: I haven’t seen Kristofferson perform, but would like to. How was the show tonight, and where’d you see him? He’s long been one of my favorites. Curious, is “Sunday Morning Coming Down” a staple at his shows?

nolie

January 30th, 2010
2:27 am

Wild Bill Donovan

uga-brave

January 30th, 2010
2:28 am

moe, i moved on to 320 south lumpkin street. on the corner of hull and wray street. directly across the street from the gilbert health center.

just a quick walk from downtown.

nolie

January 30th, 2010
2:29 am

I thought it was the “editorial we”, or maybe even the “royal we”. Just a plural we is kinduva comedown. Probably not for you though

uga-brave

January 30th, 2010
2:30 am

dave, you and schultz went to see the baseball project not long ago right? was it crowded?

Daybed Wagmoe

January 30th, 2010
2:31 am

uga-brave…what kind of skoal? long cut straight is what i prefer myself

uga-brave

January 30th, 2010
2:32 am

Moe Berg

January 30th, 2010
2:32 am

Or perhaps the written homonym for the French ‘oui’, indicating that yes, the film was watched.

David O'Brien

January 30th, 2010
2:36 am

moe berg, you should own a upscale mens clothing store — uga-brave

So true. Very funny.

uga-brave

January 30th, 2010
2:37 am

daybed, i saw many games from section 310. i am one of the rare guys that rarely taped bourbon to the inside of my dates thigh.

many women sherpa that in. one bourbon and coke then larry, what you got lauren. well larry down here on the sidelines james jackson looks good.

tim worley and keith henderson are ready.

David O'Brien

January 30th, 2010
2:41 am

nolie: I’m with ya on The Hurt Locker. Best movie I saw this past year, and “padded” is one of the last adjectives I’d ever used to describe it. Powerful. Perfect. But not padded.

Moe Berg

January 30th, 2010
2:42 am

DOB–I really want to see ‘The Departed’ in its entirety. I’ve only seen in the edited version on basic cable. Really need to rent it sometime. Like what I’ve seen.

David O'Brien

January 30th, 2010
2:42 am

iopbrave: nevermind about Kristofferson venue. Just saw where you answered that earlier.

uga-brave

January 30th, 2010
2:44 am

up in the air, has done a favor to fat matt’s rib shack.

i have not scene the movie, wes james who is the brother in law to matt who now runs the place is selling a ton of slabs.

for those that dont know, fellini’s fatt matt’s and la fonda are connected.

jj

January 30th, 2010
2:45 am

DOB,I was wondering why the Braves have not considered J.Dye.I believe he could start in LF or platoon with Melky while Diaz and Heyward could do the same in Right.I also believe Dye would give us another RH bat in the middle of the order and also be insurance for Glause as for as another power hitter if needed.I like JD but I believe Dye fills our need more than him.We need Power.

Tom O'Hawke

January 30th, 2010
2:46 am

many women sherpa that in. one bourbon and coke then larry, what you got lauren. well larry down here on the sidelines james jackson looks good” —- uga-brave

What bothers me the most, is that I know that sentence was, probably, understood by many of you.

Goodnight

David O'Brien

January 30th, 2010
2:46 am

By special request, we’ve added a second poll to the blog — Should the Braves sign Johnny Damon? Vote above.

uga-brave

January 30th, 2010
2:49 am

dob, you are and were a runner right? got my first i pod nano. gotta to admitt that is a great thing. had “new adventures of hi-fi.” going the last few nights when running miles.

what a great album. never realized that was bill berry’s last turn.

Moe Berg

January 30th, 2010
2:49 am

DOB, You have been talking about Damon for some time. I’m curious, if the Braves sign him, what do you see as the most likely scenario. Damon in left, McClouth in Center, and whom do you see in right? Who do the Braves move for him? And does right become a platoon?

uga-brave

January 30th, 2010
2:50 am

tom, if you dont get that, you are not georgia.

mr baseball

January 30th, 2010
2:52 am

uga:

Lived in Reed while I was there. Obviously not a stickler for creature comforts. Very conveniently located, however. Not sure, but I think the younger brother of one of my college buddies was in Love Tractor.

Still go back every now and then to play the golf course. One of my favorites in the state.

Moe Berg:

Picked one of baseball’s all-time most interesting individuals for your screen name. Hard to imagine someone with his intellect playing baseball with some of the semi-literate players of the time.

nolie

January 30th, 2010
2:52 am

Moe Berg & Wild Bill Donovan.

Moe Berg

January 30th, 2010
2:55 am

mr baseball, while there are some semi-literate players, there are some quite intelligent ones out there. Mark DeRosa is quite smart. Do you ever read any of Doug Glanville’s columns in the New York Times? I know he retired some years back, but quite an articulate long-time pro. I think Moe Berg is fascinating, hence the screen name. But there are always some other intelligent people in the mix at any given time.

David O'Brien

January 30th, 2010
2:56 am

uga-brave: yeah, Baseball Project several months ago at the 40 Watt. And it ended up selling out, I think. Quite a memorable show, with Bill Berry surprising everyone by going onstage to play drums for the encore, alongside Mike Mills and Peter Buck — Buck’s in the band, and Mills played on a few songs on their album. All three of them were smiling, obviously loving what was happening. Meanwhile, Michael Stipe was standing near us at the back of the bar, maybe 40 feet away from what could have been a reunion of R.E.M. Alas, he never went onstage, though he did go backstage afterward.

The whole show was great, including Patterson Hood going up to sing with the band (he was standing at the bar most of the night). Schultz is friends with band leader Steve Wynn, went to high school with him out in L.A. and has stayed in contact with him ever since.

Moe Berg

January 30th, 2010
2:59 am

I loved going to the 40 Watt but have not been there for years. Many a great memory there, many a great band–Fetchin Bones, Violent Femmes, Neutral Milk Hotel, REM, et al. A great club.

Tom O'Hawke

January 30th, 2010
3:00 am

tom, if you dont get that, you are not georgia

uga, I’m only Georgia in heart, not in location. I’m a NYS idiot. I knew I was out of the loop on this one. :D

uga-brave

January 30th, 2010
3:02 am

moe, doug glanville is ivy league educated if i remember right.

mark derossa played qb at penn if i remember right.

but glanville, is was a phyisist.

nolie

January 30th, 2010
3:03 am

S’Ok Tom, you’re alright for a damn yankee.

Moe Berg

January 30th, 2010
3:05 am

nolie, what makes one a yankee? where one is born? where one lives? where one’s family is from? i’ve always been confused.

(i do realize you are joking but curious on your definition.)

uga-brave

January 30th, 2010
3:06 am

tom, you are one of the good guys, no offense. hope none was taken

nolie

January 30th, 2010
3:06 am

where one is born, you born in the north you a damn yankee to most southerners

nolie

January 30th, 2010
3:07 am

oops wait.. i was born in the north, so that caint be right :(

Tom O'Hawke

January 30th, 2010
3:07 am

nolie, when someone is down, you know just what to say. ;)

DOB, I noticed that the last few of your polls, it wasn’t possible to vote a 2nd time. I used to be able, after shutting down, to vote more than once. Was that your idea?

uga-brave

January 30th, 2010
3:08 am

moe, pretty sure if you ever stumbled into the oddyesy we shared some of the same dirt.

Moe Berg

January 30th, 2010
3:09 am

uga-brave–Yep, Glanville is. When I was doing my master’s, he was just coming up to the major’s. I was in school with one of his good friends from growing up in New Jersey. I’ve always been curious about him, since I had to watch his early games with our mutual friend.

mr baseball

January 30th, 2010
3:10 am

Tom:

uga was channeling our former legendary football announcer and his sideline sidekick. His tipsy commentary was almost as indecipherable as that of Munson in his latter years.

“Whacha got Loren?”

“I think it’s the shingles, Larry.”

Those were the days.

Moe Berg

January 30th, 2010
3:11 am

nolie, thought that was it. i was born in the north to two southerners. we moved back to the south just before i turned four. i did not live back in the north until i was in my 20s. am i still a northerner?

uga-brave

January 30th, 2010
3:11 am

well the wife just came down three flights of stairs to give me the evil eye, and the shrug. wow i miss 320 south lumpkin street. loved those rocking chairs.

nolie

January 30th, 2010
3:11 am

you might be a half-breed Moe

Tom O'Hawke

January 30th, 2010
3:13 am

tom, you are one of the good guys, no offense. hope none was taken

uga, I don’t think you have it in you to offend me. No man, it’s all good. :)

Moe Berg

January 30th, 2010
3:13 am

uga-brave–know the evil eye…fortunately, my wife is watching some damn awful movie, so i’m able to stay here without it. i miss athens. my sister was back there in recent years for a ph.d., so i went back to visit her. it’s a great town. would love to go back more often.

uga-brave

January 30th, 2010
3:13 am

mr. baseball, is a well educated dawg fan. lauren and the shingles. well done mr. baseball.

nolie

January 30th, 2010
3:14 am

you’ll likely be accepted.just talk about your family ’s southern roots and leave out that little indiscretion

Moe Berg

January 30th, 2010
3:15 am

nolie, that’s what i thought. don’t think they have it any more. but when i was a kid, my parents had a cassette of me at 3. i have a definite new york accent. however, i moved to clinton, mississippi, shortly thereafter. the new york accent did not last for too long there.

Tom O'Hawke

January 30th, 2010
3:17 am

mr baseball, ha, ha. As I said before, I knew most of you understood it. Of course, now I’m thinking that I was the only one that didn’t. (stupid northener!)

Moe Berg

January 30th, 2010
3:22 am

nolie, that is my usual approach–mention that my mother’s family is from tennessee, that my father’s are all from south georgia/north florida, and i grew up in atlanta. i did not live back out of the south until my 20s. however, i do live in chicago now. it is a little suspect.

Tom O'Hawke

January 30th, 2010
3:25 am

you might be a half-breed Moe

I don’t care who you are, that’s funny.

Moe Berg

January 30th, 2010
3:27 am

tom o’hawke–i agree. i should head off to bed. went to the opera earlier tonight and feeling a bit tired. adieu.

uga-brave

January 30th, 2010
3:30 am

moe, my father went to northwestern.

uga-brave

January 30th, 2010
3:31 am

by way of mount vernon new york.

Tom O'Hawke

January 30th, 2010
3:43 am

birddawgbill , I have two questions for you.

1) Are you related to N8? Wow. :P

2) Besides the problem with Damon’s weak arm, who gets benched or released if Schafer or Heyward have a good spring? Or, if they have a decent spring and then perform well in AAA?

nolie

January 30th, 2010
3:50 am

37 links wasn’t bad enough, now we gotta burn out our scrollwheels to get past?
Give me a break. Shanks the village idiot has gotten more mention here in the last day then he deserves in a decade.I notice that several were from guys named Bill. seems suspicious :)

Tom O'Hawke

January 30th, 2010
4:00 am

nolie

I think I understood your last post. You don’t think I just replied to …. man, it makes me sick to even think it, much less type it. Tell me you’re just kidding. (Lie, if you must.)

birddawgbill

January 30th, 2010
4:23 am

Tom, the article covers your question.
nolie, this is my first post, so rest your suspicions.
Until I read this article I wasnt sold on Damon. But this does make sense. A winners a winner. And think of the trade options it gives them. I am a big Diaz fan but he is a 4th OFer. I read this blog often but hardly ever post and as I recall there has been some complaining about the LF situation. If they do sign him then you can trade Melky to strengthen the BP that I have also scene alot of worries from people about.

[...] fans expect Tommy Hanson to become a top of the rotation ace in 2010 and will the team make any move for free agent Johnny [...]

Piedmont Blues

January 30th, 2010
7:28 am

DOB,

Thanks for the blog and the 411 on the forthcoming GP record. Loved that guy’s music since Howlin’ Wind. Hope he’ll be on the road supporting it, too.

JT

January 30th, 2010
7:35 am

Just sign damon. We need a leadoff bat with speed, and a left handed outfield bat to help Diaz. if Shaefer does well, then trade Damon at deadline for above average prospect. Seems pretty simple to me. Am i missing something?

VaBrave

January 30th, 2010
7:48 am

Another guy the Braves should look into is Jonny Gomes. He would come real cheap and he hit 20 hrs in just 280 abs last year. Would be nice to have him coming off the bench or for the occasional start.

Efrim

January 30th, 2010
8:04 am

2011 sleeper prospects from Keith Law(The emphasis is on guys who might jump into the middle or even the top part of the rankings, the way Neftali Feliz and Madison Bumgarner did, as opposed to players who might just slide into the 90s.):

Catcher Christian Betancourt is a plus-plus defender with a chance to hit, as he has good bat control and should grow into some power. He played in the 2002 Little League World Series for the Panamanian team.

"Chef" Tim Dix

January 30th, 2010
8:27 am

Mike Hampton, relief?

Comic relief?

Joe

January 30th, 2010
8:29 am

Braves will be lucky to be in 4th place if they dont get another big bat

Marc in FL

January 30th, 2010
8:38 am

I can’t believe anyone liked There Will Be Blood. God it was such a melodrama, way too long, the most annoying music I’ve heard in a movie ever, and just bad storytelling. How could anyone like that crap?

JasonInFL

January 30th, 2010
8:50 am

Thanks for the comments on There Will Be Blood…always appreciate the insight on a good flick! I have been rewatching some classics from NetFlix streaming video to the flat screen as well…watched Taxi Driver the other night. Anyway, There Will Be Blood was excellent. Really enjoyed it…

Speaking of Kristofferson, can you believe I got to see him perform in Houlton, ME of all places…population of about 5,000. Also got to see and meet Charlie Daniels there.

JasonInFL

January 30th, 2010
8:57 am

and just for you Mr. Nolie…sign Damon! 8)

Braveheart

January 30th, 2010
9:18 am

i lived in russell hall my fresman year. at that time russell was all male brumby was all female and creswell hall was mixed. dorm living in 1985-1986 was weird. only had cable in a t.v. room at the end of the hall. worst part about the dorms, were the t.v. watchers or dorm geeks. there were guys on my hall that came back there year after year to live there. very strange crew on that 7th floor. it was confirmed one night when i sat down with a six pack of bud tall boys in the t.v. room when dune was on. just listened, just listened. fresman year.

ugabrave, my friend, this post of yours had me howling in laughter for five minutes. it was the just listening, just listening line. oh, man, just too friggin’ funny.

just listening, just listening

LMAO

Braveheart

January 30th, 2010
9:29 am

I always figured the “we” thing with DOB was something from his N.C. roots. I had this friend in grad school. Whenever we’d go drinking or whatever, he’d drop me off or I’d drop him off at the end of the night, and he’d say something like “alright, buddy, we’ll get back at ya.” It always threw me for a loop. I’d like look around the car, and be like who’s this we he keeps speaking of. He’d say the same thing when you’d talk to him on the phone. I figured it was just some manner of speaking unique to that dude, but then I dated some girl from Carolina, and she’d always hit me with the we thing as well, so I figured it must be some Carolina sh!t.

Eric from MO

January 30th, 2010
9:46 am

Dont really get the “needing” Damon. At this point in his career he isnt any better than Diaz. If he isnt in Yankees stadium next year he is not going to put anywhere close to the numbers he put up last year. Not to mention he isnt going to be hitting behind Jeter and wont be hitting in front of A-Rod and Tex. If you want to ignore both of these situations then your just lieing to yourself. Why do you think no team wants him?

P'cola Brave

January 30th, 2010
9:50 am

Someone mentioned Dye earlier and I don’t think its a bad idea. He may not be what he use to be but theres probably still some pop in that old bat. It would be nice to have another power RH bat in case something happens to Glaus.

Eric from MO

January 30th, 2010
9:54 am

P’Cola did you watch him the second half last year? There is no pop left in his bat. At best he is a horrible DH.

Foggy Notion

January 30th, 2010
9:56 am

Speaking of Damon and early 2000 decade movies, we watched the Bourne Identity last night for the first time in years. Good flick. Damon looks young in that one (unlike Johnny).

P'cola Brave

January 30th, 2010
10:02 am

Eric from MO

He did have a horrible second half but had a gread 1st half. IMO you dont just lose it in a matter of a month. The guy went from hitting over .300 in the first half to below .200 in the second. I just don’t think the second half is what hes going to do. Will he hit .300 again, I dont know but I find it hard to believe that he hits around .200.

Eric from MO

January 30th, 2010
10:03 am

P’Cola I think he is done.

Smitty

January 30th, 2010
10:14 am

DOB: hey I know you hate having errors in your blogs so I figured I’d point something out so you can fix it….Jesse Chavez came from Tampa Bay not Pittsburgh…Pittsburgh was his original team but then he was a Ray and was traded to Atlanta for Raffy

McFann

January 30th, 2010
10:17 am

Soph Where’s McFann?

I’ve been around…just didn’t get on the Blog much yesterday. My sister and I were playing some of our computer games last night–serious trip down memory lane, I tell ya…

I need to tell her about how I got my ESPN Mag today with Mauer Power on the cover. They voted him America’s Fan-Friendliest Athlete!

Mauer Power? Aw, dang, gotta get me a copy of that!

:roll: Who’s “they”, anyway?

;) Nah, I’m sure he’s a nice guy and everything…and he’s a pretty good ballplayer.

Marc in FL

January 30th, 2010
10:18 am

I don’t get the Damon thing either, Diaz is basically just as good at the plate, if not equal if you weigh their different strengths and weaknesses, and while Damon may have a better glove, Diaz has a better arm. It’s a wash in my opinion. With two studs left in the wings (Heyward and Schafer) I really don’t see a need for another outfielder.

At worse we have Melky, McLouth, Diaz, with Hinske and Infante on the bench.
At best we have Heyward, Mclouth, Schafer with Diaz, Hinske, Melky, and Infante on the bench.

Maybe I’m just stupid, but I think we’ll end up somewhere between those two, and I think that would be good enough as long as our infield performs to par and our pitching doesn’t melt down (and if that happens it won’t matter who we have in the OF anyway).

Smitty

January 30th, 2010
10:21 am

Not that it matters much but I don’t see Heyward coming up and batting 8th. I see the lineup being something a long the lines of

Option 1 (w/ Melky playing)
Cabrera
Prado
Jones
Glaus
McCann
Escobar
Heyward
McLouth

Option 2 (w/ Matty D)
McLouth
Prado
Jones
Glaus
McCann
Escobar
Heyward
Diaz

Or something along those lines

Moe Berg

January 30th, 2010
10:25 am

P’cola Brave–There have been reports that many scouts kept noting how much his bat speed slowed down over the course of the year. Bad mechanics can be worked out, but bat speed usually does not come back once it starts waning.

richard nieh

January 30th, 2010
10:26 am

Hanson will win 20 games next year.

JasonInFL

January 30th, 2010
10:28 am

I like Matty D…good complimentary player, but come on, as good as Damon? Really?

Braveheart

January 30th, 2010
10:34 am

DOB and Shanks ain’t the only ones who think Damon makes sense, especially at that price. Dave Cameron thinks so as well for the Mariners:

We’ve talked quite a bit about what type of player who makes sense as the final guy on the position player side of things, given the current roster – a right-handed outfielder who can swing the stick and not embarrass himself in the field would be the perfect complement to the current Bradley/Langerhans/Saunders group of LF options on the roster. There are any number of fairly cheap, useful players of that sort on the market, so the M’s should be able to fill that spot rather easily.

But sometimes, things happen that change your plans. And, given the market that is developing (or not developing, as the case may be) in Johnny Damon’s case, perhaps its time for the Mariners to consider an alternate plan in left field.

Buster Olney reported today that the market for Damon has “dried up”. The Yankees are holding steady on the fact that they only have $2 million left to spend, and they won’t expand their budget to bring him back. There was some talk that the A’s could still pursue Damon even after signing Ben Sheets, but Billy Beane threw water on that idea.

The other teams that had been rumored destinations for Damon either don’t seem interested or have already spent their money on other players. Olney speculates that $4 or $5 million on a one year deal may be the best that Damon could do, and he thought that kind of offer could come from Oakland, who now appears unlikely to pursue him.

There is apparently an opportunity for the Mariners here. As I wrote on FanGraphs today, there are a lot of similarities between Damon this year and Bobby Abreu a year ago. We all saw how the Abreu contract worked out for the Angels, and something like a 1 year, $5 million deal for Damon may be a similarly good idea for the M’s.

Damon is still a good player. He hits for average, draws walks, makes contact, and has some power. Sure, New Yankee Stadium helped him quite a bit last year, but Safeco is designed to help the same type of hitter, and he would find the right field porch in Seattle just as inviting. He’s a good enough defender to handle LF at Safeco, even as his range declines – there’s little evidence that he’s much worse than below average defensively at this point, and that includes his hilariously bad arm. The glove doesn’t even come close to canceling out the value he creates at the plate.

Given regular playing time, Damon should be a +2 to +3 win player, and the Mariners have playing time to offer him. Sure, it’s not ideal to add yet another LH hitter to the LF/DH mix, but Damon doesn’t need to be platooned, so you don’t have to replace Langerhans with a right-handed hitting outfielder in order to make it work (though you could if you wanted to). And you don’t walk away from a bargain just because it’s not ideal. If the M’s can really get Damon for $5M-ish, they won’t find a more cost effective way to upgrade the team in free agency.

http://ussmariner.com/2010/01/26/reacting-to-the-market/

TnBrian

January 30th, 2010
10:39 am

JasonInFl, I know. I just laugh when I read people thinking Diaz is as good as Damon. Diaz slaughters lefties and he’s a hustler, but Damon he ain’t.

Braveheart

January 30th, 2010
10:40 am

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/damons-value

Last year, the Yankees decided not to retain an aging corner outfielder in an attempt to upgrade their defense and save money, as Bobby Abreu was seeking a significant paycheck for his durability and consistent offensive abilities. He found the market for his services nearly non-existent, however, and eventually settled on a one year, low money deal with a club in the AL West that was in need of an offensive boost.

Fast forward to today, and history is apparently trying very hard to repeat itself. This year’s aging corner outfielder that the Yankees are not retaining is Johnny Damon, and just like Abreu, he’s finding out the hard way that teams do not value him like they used to. This afternoon, Buster Olney reported that Damon’s best offer may come for $4 or $5 million on a one year deal from the Oakland A’s – an AL West club that could use an offensive boost.

2008 Abreu and 2009 Damon had very similar offensive seasons.

Abreu: 684 PA, .296/.371/.471, 10.7% BB%, 17.9% K%, .176 ISO, .368 wOBA
Damon: 626 PA, .282/.365/.489, 11.3% BB%, 17.8% K%, .207 ISO, .376 wOBA

Basically the same kind of production, once you adjust for the change in Yankee Stadiums. They’re similar hitters at similar spots in their career. Both have declined from their prime, but not fallen all that far.

There is one big difference between 2008 Abreu and 2009 Damon, however, and that’s on defense. Abreu was victim of the backlash against bad defensive corner outfielders. From 2004 to 2008, his UZR/150s as an LF were -10, -5, -14, -3, and -25. At the very best, you could surmise that he was below average, and realistically, he was more likely to be terrible. He was a borderline DH, the kind of defender who shouldn’t play much outfield except in case of emergency.

Damon, on the other hand, throws like a girl but is otherwise a decent defender. It’s true that his 2009 UZR is not good, but his total UZR over the last three years at the position is a +5, and as we try to remind people frequently, larger sample sizes are needed when evaluating defense. Damon is clearly a better defender now than Abreu. He’s not great, and he may even be reaching the point in his career where he’s below average, but he’s simply not a guy that costs your team a ton of runs in the field.

Abreu was a bargain on a one year, $5 million deal with the Angels, even as he proved that he didn’t really belong in the outfield anymore. Damon, though, is basically the same hitter, just with better defensive skills, and he might have to settle for less than what Abreu got? This is a market correction gone way too far.

Even with the reduced costs of wins, Damon is easily worth $8 to $10 million for 2010. Just like with Abreu last year, teams will be kicking themselves in a few months if they let him sign for peanuts. There are enough clubs out there that could use a +2 to +3 win left fielder that this level of disinterest is simply a market failure.

N Nine (eta65)

January 30th, 2010
10:49 am

It’s finally time to put all the Damon talk to rest, as he will probably end up a Jay. It IS folks like Hanson we have much too look forward to, and don’t want Damon’s dead arm to slow down our future ace.

Eric from MO

January 30th, 2010
10:59 am

Jason…Yes at this point in their career. His career hasnt been near as good as Damon but you take him out of the Yankees lineup and ballpark and Diaz is just as good.

Eric In Albany N.Y.

January 30th, 2010
10:59 am

Dont sign Damon!
Id rather have Hayward get all the playing time with Diaz and Cabrera on the corners than Damon who cant throw.

The Ted has a big outfield, The Braves already have a guy in left who is not the fastest guy ever but at least he can get the ball into the infield before the runner takes an extra base!

Damon would lose more games than he would win for the Braves. hayword/diaz/mcclouth/cabrera is better than having Damon out there!

I HOPE DAMON GOES TO TORONTO! PLEASE STAY IN THE AL EAST JOHNNY PLEASE!

siskel_god

January 30th, 2010
11:12 am

After having a month to calm down about the Vasquez deal I have become very optimistic about this year. I actually liked the idea of signing Glaus before they did it but I was so mad about losing Javy I let it jade my opinion of the deal. Hinske can be servicable as a backup for CJ and Troy for short time periods but having the Omar for a full season allows Prado to move around for both guys too. I hate the Melkman, but he does have a little bit of an upside but if we can get Damon for 3 mil a year we should since we are paying 3 for Melky and JD is clearly better. There are suitors for Melky I’m sure. I still think letting LaRoche go was the wrong move, I don’t see Freeman projecting as much of a power guy in the scouting reports I have read. High average and OBP, with power to the gaps and a good glove. Sounds alot like Casey Kotchman. Heyward is obviously the key to the season, if he hits as projected (I’ve read .270 with 20 or so hr’s) then that will definitely be good enough. Damon, Mclouth, and Heyward in the outfield with Diaz as the 4th guy is solid.

Eric from MO

January 30th, 2010
11:16 am

Siskel you cant really project power in scouting reports at age 20. I know I am a hell of lot stronger than i was at age 20.

Braveheart

January 30th, 2010
11:18 am

Damon’s arm is indeed bad, but according to fangraphs, Damon was -4.6 runs with his arm last season. Melky was -3.2. Diaz was -3.2. Nate was -1.6. Garrett Anderson was -0.8. Church was +0.7. Schafer was +1.5. Frenchy was +4.

Mitchie-san

January 30th, 2010
11:19 am

If I knew that Bobby would put Diaz in the leadoff position, I would say forget Damon. But alas, he wont. Diaz will be in a platoon again this year and waste some of his talent.

Damon could help at leadoff, so I guess I am in the boat to get him.

CB

January 30th, 2010
11:26 am

Mitchie-san, I agree on putting Diaz as a leadoff hitter if Heyward does not start the season in the majors. I think he is a better OBP than Nate and Nate is better power hitter,why not make the switch? Heyward starts the season,probably go with Nate at leadoff.

Mitchie-san

January 30th, 2010
11:36 am

CB,
I have a feeling that no matter what, Nate will be batting leadoff. Bobby seems to like him there, even when there is proof that other people could be better. Like the whole Kelly Johnson leadoff deal. There were better options, but Bobby left him there. I wish he would experiment more with the lineup to see who fares better in a certain position.
Or maybe go with numbers, instead of his gut feelings.

Joe Fan

January 30th, 2010
11:42 am

Seems like a very crowded outfield if the Braves sign Damon. Not enough playing time to go around which leads to disgruntled players.

Mitchie-san

January 30th, 2010
11:50 am

I am sure one of them would get traded if they go the Damon route. Diaz or Cabrera. Unfortunatly, it would probably be Diaz.

richbrave

January 30th, 2010
11:52 am

answer to POLL # 2:

Yes, sign DAMON – one year for 2.5 million.

David O'Brien

January 30th, 2010
12:08 pm

RichBrave: I’m afraid that (one year, $2.5 mill) is probably wishful thinking. Still think he’ll get about double that.

David O'Brien

January 30th, 2010
12:10 pm

Seems like a very crowded outfield if the Braves sign Damon. Not enough playing time to go around which leads to disgruntled players. — Joe Fan

Several ways it could go. Someone else mentioned a trade. I’ll add, they could start Heyward in Triple-A, then wait to trade someone after they bring up Heyward.

David O'Brien

January 30th, 2010
12:11 pm

Damon’s arm is indeed bad, but according to fangraphs, Damon was -4.6 runs with his arm last season. Melky was -3.2. Diaz was -3.2. Nate was -1.6. Garrett Anderson was -0.8. — Braveheart

That’s the problem with isolating defensive stats like arm strength alone. Because who cares if Garrett’s arm was better than Melky’s when Garrett didn’t lay out or even race to get to balls that Melky could have gotten to? Or that Diaz would have busted arse trying to get to?

And while Damon’s arm is undeniably bad, I’d take his overall defense over GA’s at this stage of their careers, no doubt.

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