9:20 pm January 22, 2010, by David O'Brien
January 24th, 201010:05 pm
… since when did Americans look on the minus side of things.. Doggy
since Viet Nam
January 24th, 201010:06 pm
Nolie: To each his own. I’d rather have question marks that are young with upside than question marks that are old with a past of injuries.
The Braves attendance continues to dwindle for a reason. That’s another one of my major beefs. Don’t blame the fans, blame the product.
If I’m going to use the majority of my payroll on a couple of players, seeing Pujols and Holliday in the lineup daily makes me want to go to the ballpark. The attendance problem won’t fix itself. The Braves fans need more than just “we’re competitive” to come out.
You see my opinion as negativity and I see it as reality. We agree to disagree, my friend.
Would you guys go for it on 4th down here if it holds up?
January 24th, 201010:07 pm
Sorry, but I can’t let this one slip past without asking: When’s the last time the Pirates signed a 33-year-old former AL (or NL) home-run leader, a guy who averaged over 30 homers for the four-season stretch prior to being injured the year before they signed him?
When’s the last time the Pirates signed anything like a closer with 385 saves, a 2.39 career ERA and 1,092 strikeouts in 833-2/3 innings?
I mean, talk about exaggerating to make a point. — DOB
TOMMYP’s reply: “Maybe you just don’t know much baseball history. The signings the Braves have made in Hinske, Glaus, Wagner, Saito and Melky (trade for Melky) are akin to what the Pirates did after the Bonds/Bonilla reign. They signed guys past their prime, gave huge contracts to guys not worth it, and gave money to younger guys that didn’t deserve it.
“I’ll throw some names out for you: Kevin Young, Derek Bell, Pat Meares, Raul Mondesi… ”
Hey, TommyP, I’ll repeat: When’s the last time the Pirates signed a 33-year-old former AL (or NL) home-run leader who has averaged over 30 homers for the four-season stretch prior to being injured the year before they signed him? And when’s the last time the Pirates signed anything like a closer with 385 saves, a 2.39 career ERA and 1,092 strikeouts in 833-2/3 innings?
Pat Meares? PAT MEARES? The guy’s a .258 career hitter who never hit more than 13 homers or drove in more than 70 runs in a season before the Pirates signed him.
Derek Bell? He hit 18 or fewer homers in four of the five seasons before the Pirates signed him, and totaled 66 and 69 RBI in the two seasons immediately before they signed him.
And why would you throw Kevin Young into that group? He was drafted by the Pirates and spent almost his entire career with them, save for one season with Kansas City. After he returned to the Pirates, he had his best seasons, with OPS totals of .867, .809 and .909, and including consecutive seasons with 27 homers and 108 RBI and 26 homers and 106 RBI in 1998-1999. The Pirates would have stunk even worse if he wasn’t on those teams.
How is Young relevant to your point about the Braves’ offseason?
One other thing, regarding your explanation: “They [Pirates] signed guys past their prime, gave huge contracts to guys not worth it, and gave money to younger guys that didn’t deserve it.”
TommyP, the Braves signed Glaus to a $1.75 million guarantee. The most he can possibly make is $4 million in 2010, and that’d only be if he’s healthy and in the lineup all season.
They signed Hinske to a $1 million contract.
That was weird…I went to answer Soph’s question and it posted it above hers…
Yes I would go for it
From the Colts perspective, I think they are hoping for a Saints win. Saints defense is similar to the Jets in that they go blitz crazy. Vikings can get pressure with their four down lineman and drop everyone else back in coverage. I’m just not sure you can beat Manning by blitzing him at this point.
January 24th, 201010:10 pm
on that play if the ball crosses the 10 yard point but he falls back.. is it still a 1st down ??
Steve from OH
Someone thinks Pat Meares was good?
January 24th, 201010:12 pm
pretty sure the refs just decided to say f*** it and let the hometown team go to the superbowl during the OT
January 24th, 201010:13 pm
Leave it to nolie to perform a class act with a class act-up!
yes- same concept as a touchdown- it has to break the plane (you get forward progress unless you go backwards on your own…i.e. run back to try to avoid a tackle…)
January 24th, 201010:14 pm
You see my opinion as negativity and I see it as reality. We agree to disagree, my friend Tommy P
yes I do and if anything when I stray from absolute reality I am usually more pessimistic than optimistic . I know that most here see your views the same way.
And there is nobody in baseball who would not have renewed Chipper at whatever cost given his history here after the PR fiasco of Tommy and John, so we can’t really blame that on Wren.
The only real complaint I have about his reign so far is signing Lowe for that much time/money, but even then I see why he did it I just wish he hadn’t.
January 24th, 201010:17 pm
I can’t stand NFL sudden-death OT.
January 24th, 201010:18 pm
Now I need to figure out who I want to win the Super Bowl…
I can’t stand NFL sudden-death OT
Join the club. My roomate and I were just chatting about this…
January 24th, 201010:19 pm
I agree. Doesn’t make any sense to end the game with whoever scores first. Especially if you’re going to base who gets the ball first on getting lucky and winning a coin toss.
damn…more evil laughter
DOB: Shocked you can’t follow what I’m saying. I’m saying that Cam Bonifay of the Pittsburgh Pirates was known for making asinine decisions with player personnel.
Pat Meares sucked yet he signed him to be a regular.
Derek Bell was a good all around player for several years…lots of doubles, power/speed combo and also hit for average that fell off statistically but the Pirates chose to sign anyway…
And I didn’t go back 20 years…. I said post-Bonds/Bonilla era. We’re talking late ’90s moves.
Kevin Young was signed to a huge contract and the Pirates were saddled with that contract for several years. And he definitely didn’t produce much during his huge contract. The guy had a bit of a conditioning problem during that time that apparently caught up with him.
Jason Kendall, Jason Friggin Kendall, was signed to a 10 year contract with Pittsburgh that crippled the organization for years.
Horrible decisions. Even past those decisions, the Pirates (among many other teams) have been known to sign off the scrap heap, a la the current Braves offseason.
January 24th, 201010:20 pm
Congrats to the Saints.
Now, I really don’t care who wins the Super Bowl.
January 24th, 201010:21 pm
I’m happy for the city of New Orleans. I’ll be rooting for Peyton in the Superbowl, though.
January 24th, 201010:22 pm
Hey- I just realized we made it through an entire Saints game with no mention of the She-Devil Kim Kardashian! YAY!!
None of our offseason moves are gonna cripple the franchise. They are all one year deals with the exception of Melky.
January 24th, 201010:25 pm
NFL overtimes are lame.
January 24th, 201010:26 pm
Really exciting way for Brett Favre’s career to potentially end. Stand on the side-lines, with no chance.
Very “Jordan-esque”, eh?
Why didn’t Brett just run darn it!!!
January 24th, 201010:29 pm
Count me in on this one too. Something’s gotta change. I don’t have any suggestions, but something’s gotta change.
January 24th, 201010:31 pm
Count me in on this one too. Something’s gotta change. I don’t have any suggestions, but something’s gotta change. Daybed
why now? hasn’t it been that way forever?
January 24th, 201010:32 pm
I’m sure you can’t stand those rules DOB, but they are the rules, and I think it’s great NO is in the Super Bowl, and it’s a great story with Peyton facing the team he grew up with, and New Orleans as a city having a chance to have their team win the Super Bowl, after what they went through in “Katrina”. It’s a great story.
January 24th, 201010:33 pm
As for Saito: No, he’s not what he was with the Dodgers — if he was, he’d be making $10 mill a year as a closer by now. But to cite his hits and home runs rising last year and not cite the obvious factors that might have contributed to it is not being very thorough.
I mean, the guy went from pitching in the NL in a pitcher-friendly home ballpark (Dodger Stadium) and in a division with two other extreme pitchers’ parks (S.F. and S.D.) for his first three seasons in the majors, to pitching in the AL East last year with Boston.
count me in also
18 Wheels of Love
brent a. Favre had his chance and turned it over with 17 seconds.
That’s gotta be the 3rd time he’s ended his career on a turnover.
January 24th, 201010:36 pm
So all you 40-something wanna be NFL QBs have your dreams dashed?! What is that compared to a city that was destroyed by a hurricane? Get over yourselves!
Do you guys think a college-style OT is what the NFL should go to? Or do you think just playing an additional quarter would be better?
Brandon from Warner Robins
January 24th, 201010:37 pm
very reminiscent of the 1998 Season with Falcons beating the Vikings to advance to the Super Bowl. Falcons struggled for so many years, just like the Saints.
Great Game. Hopefully, Favre doesn’t go out like this. It just wouldn’t be right.
January 24th, 201010:41 pm
Didn’t the Colts win the Football title over the Giants in like 59 in a who scores first overtime? If so I hardly think they are likely to change the approach 50+ years later. Course I could be wrong and since I no longer follow it much I really don’t care.Just seems unlikely
I remember the Dolphins-Chargers 6 quarters; I wouldn’t suggest going back to that(and just because my team lost!)
January 24th, 201010:42 pm
Nolie and DOB:
Thanks for correction re Avalon and Liberty Heights, neither of which I have seen, but will look for. AT, Diner and TM were very good Baltimore movies. Were Avalon and LH any good?
Chad at 4:49 PM – not funny anymore.
January 24th, 201010:44 pm
“Avalon” was an exellent movie!
January 24th, 201010:46 pm
“Avalon” was an exellent movie! MLB
all three were good, I liked Diner the best though
anyone know what happens to the shirts, hats etc. that were made for the team that lost?
January 24th, 201010:47 pm
see I follow it so little that I wasn’t aware they had a 6 quarter game, so I should just keep quiet about feetsball obviously
January 24th, 201010:48 pm
Helluva game by Favre. A few quick points of observation:
How ironic would it have been had Jackson had to come in and attempt to win this game?
Not Favre’s fault his teammates can’t hang onto the ball.
Reggie Bush’s decision to not call a fair catch was possibly one of the dumbest decisions in NFL playoff history.
As for the Favre INT at the end of regulation. Nothing like the gunslinger showing up in the nick of time to assure Vikings fans that they now have another 8 months of hell telling themselves “wait until next year”.
But like I said. Great game by Favre (and a great job of pep talking A.P. into keeping his chin up on the sidelines). This loss isn’t on him. Though Favre haters will discuss the INT and call it the deciding factor, due to WHEN it occurred in the game.
Ultimately, I’m just glad Minnesota lost. They deserve to lose for the mind games they played with Jackson in the off-season, and Favre should have known from being a Packer all those years, that the Vikings are just flat out destined to NEVER win a SB. Which is perfect if you ask me.
DOB, in the end, your pre-season prediction of Favre giving them the best chance to get to the SB was correct. He did. Doesn’t mean that Favre or the Vikings handled it properly. But it was the right call.
But at the same time, it didn’t take a rocket scientist to predict (as I did a few weeks ago), that at some point in the post-season, when his team simply needed him to be conservative and pick up a few yards, the old “gunslinger” would show up and try and force a throw he had no business attempting. It’s too easy with Favre (and the Vikings).
Like I said. Minnesota is destined to not win a SB forever.
All hail Herschel Walker!!!!
Interceptions? Fumbles? Penalties? Nah. That had nothing to do with it. It was that god-awful Prince song. They deserve to lost after that was written.
January 24th, 201010:51 pm
Nolie – you’re a good person
January 24th, 201010:52 pm
MIB and Nolie – thanks on Avalon.
If Yankees sign Damon for whatever, then Nady’s value should drop to no more than 75% of that number. Maybe that is what FW is thinking, knowing that a RH OF bat may be more valuable to Braves than a LH OF bat. (McLouth, Heyward, Schaefer, Melky, Hinske). RH bats are Diaz and Melky. Only question is whether there are enough rooster spots. There might be if Schaefer is at Gwinnett, or an injury.
January 24th, 201010:55 pm
Jim, we can dream but i’m not sure Frank is waiting for anything. Unless someone gets traded it’s pretty hard for me to figure out where another guy fits in, especially a guy who can’t play short. JMO, but I think they are done adding at least b4 ST.
January 24th, 201010:57 pm
Jim, Avalon was good, I never saw LH for some reason.
January 24th, 201011:02 pm
Does he stay or does he retire? I say he comes back.
January 24th, 201011:05 pm
why now? hasn’t it been that way forever? – nolie
Cause the team I was rooting for lost!
Okay, but seriously, I think that they can come up with a better system of setting up the overtime period. How? Dunno.
As for the timing of it, and not changing it because that’s always how it’s been done…I don’t really think that’s a reason not to do something. Seems to me that it’s not the fairest system the NFL can come up with. Gotta always be open to change.
January 24th, 201011:07 pm
Jan 2.,1982 was the NFL playoff game I was referring to earlier
Now, what did I tell all of you a day or two ago? Besides that the Colts would beat the Jets, I said Favre’s ego would cost the Vikings a super bowl shot. All he had to do was run 6 yards ahead (and there was NOBODY anywhere near him), flop to the ground and call time out. FG, Vikings NFC champs. What does he do? With nobody anywhere near him and no pressure, throws across his body off his back foot (which if you’re still doing in 10th grade they make you ride the bench) and puts one right into the hands of a Saint defender. HOW does this guy still not know how to play quarterback after 19 years in the NFL, and HOW does he keep getting jobs from teams that have to compromise their drafts and head coaches’ authority to bring Favre in just so he can blow ANOTHER freaking playoff game. What a complete and total doosh. That play was what the Vikings bought, at the expense of Brad Childress’ dignity and Tavaris Jackson’s confidence. The Jets were screwed even worse last year, and the Packers were set back five years as a franchise.
The sad thing is, it’ll happen again next year to some poor team and fan base and the media will cover Favre’s indecision whether or not to destroy a city as he poots around on his lawnmower for MONTHS. 24/7. How in the HELL has someone not just taken this @$$ clown’s leg off at the knee and spared the American public anymore of his B.S.?
January 24th, 201011:09 pm
I’m not sure if this is the norm but when the Patriots lost in the Super Bowl a few years ago (the year they had the perfect regular season) – their Super Bowl & perfect season gear was donated to children in another country. I can’t remember what country it was but ESPN showed clips of the kids wearing it and saying it was their team uniform for soccer.
January 24th, 201011:11 pm
Some billionaire will fly out on a learjet to Hattiesburg and get on one knee and say “Please, oh please, Sir Brett; my franchise hasn’t failed on a big stage in years…please come wreck it for us in front of a bigger crowd!”
Three months later, after the draft and all of training camp: “OK.”
January 24th, 201011:17 pm
The NFL overtime might not be fair. But there are plenty of things that happen in the first 4 quarters that aren’t fair as well.
How come the offense gets a “free play” when the defender jumps offsides? Yet when an O-lineman has a false start, the play is blown dead. Why isn’t the defense given an opportunity to make a big play and decline the penalty? I think since instant replay has come into play, literally no play should be whistled dead, unless it has clearly ended. If somebody has a clear path to the QB (and is going to get flagged anyhow, the QB can simply take a knee if he doesn’t want to get hit.
Why aren’t penalties reviewable? I think when a team challenges a play, or the booth reviews it, if the official notices a penalty in said replay, it should be called. For example, the booth reviewed that first down on the leaping play in O.T. From my angle, after the ball popped out it appeared that after he regained control, the ball was not beyond the 1st down marker.
However. In that same replay, the defender was CLEARLY leading with his helmet and made contact with the RB’s helmet BEFORE hitting the ball. Why not call a penalty there?
On second thought, I absolutely HATE the “leading with your helmet” call. Not why they call it. Players have to be protected. But how it’s such a judgement call. That crap happens to fast to determine if it was intentional or not.
As for O.T.? I say give them a chance to “match” each other. Maybe one guy from each team should just play Madden against each other?
Another rule that I could do without is that one where the NFL allows the state of Minnesota to have a team. That has to change.
January 24th, 201011:22 pm
“I said Favre’s ego would cost the Vikings a super bowl shot. All he had to do was run 6 yards ahead (and there was NOBODY anywhere near him), flop to the ground and call time out. FG, Vikings NFC champs.” The Grinch
As much as I want to agree with you because your post made me laugh (maybe I’m still “high” after the Vikings loss?), I don’t.
Favre didn’t cost the Vikings a SB shot. All day long, he put them in GREAT position to get that shot, despite getting his ass kicked all day. His arrogance caused THAT DRIVE to stall, and cause Longwell a chance at putting them into the SB. No guarantee he makes the kick.
The fumbles and Childress not challenging the 1st Saints TD are what caused the Vikings the game. Why on earth, when you’ve got the games #2 running defense (and the unit was #1 the past two years), do you not challenge that TD (which would have been overturned), forcing the Saints into 2nd and goal? Certainly if any defense is capable of two more stops inside the 1 yard line it’s the Vikings.
It often baffles me why and when coaches throw the red flag. Don’t you HAVE TO challenge that in the NFC title game?
But yeah, as my post a while back stated. That’s vintage Favre for you. But sorry man. This loss isn’t on him.
January 24th, 201011:30 pm
It didn’t go on for 6 quarters literally, but that Miami-San Diego game seemed like it did! Kickers missing, big comebacks, heroic player performances! It was epic! And of course the pip was the winning team had to go play in a frigid spot after playing their guts out in Miami. No matter who won that game, they were going to lose the next week.
January 24th, 201011:35 pm
whats with all the viking hate?
January 24th, 201011:36 pm
Told you, GO SAINTS! XD
January 24th, 201011:39 pm
As a long suffering Lions fan, Nolie, I have inherited Vikings hate! This is generational for me! I am always thrilled when they lose!
January 24th, 201011:48 pm
OK I get that MIB, what’s N8’s problem I wonder? BTW is that a small L or a large I in your moniker?
January 24th, 201011:53 pm
Some billionaire will fly out on a learjet to Hattiesburg and get on one knee and say “Please, oh please, Sir Brett; my franchise hasn’t failed on a big stage in years…please come wreck it for us in front of a bigger crowd!” — The Grinch
Yes, I’m sure that’s exactly what the Vikings and their fans are saying today. I’m sure they really regret signing Favre, bringing him to camp late and then only reaching the NFC championship game and losing in OT. He wrecked it. You’re right. Gotta say, you’ve really got your thumb on the pulse of this one, Grinch.
I mean, why on earth would the Vikings or another team even think about pursuing Favre after the season he just had?
January 24th, 201011:54 pm
I as in MI as in state of. I have no idea what N8’s issues are.
January 24th, 201011:58 pm
Seriously, Grinch, nothing personal, but that might have been the silliest — or at least the most unfair — analysis of a game and a team’s season that I’ve read in recent memory. But at least you presented it with bluster and confidence….
N8, I’m pretty much in full agreement with what your comment at 11:22.
January 25th, 201012:02 am
Hey- I just realized we made it through an entire Saints game with no mention of the She-Devil Kim Kardashian! YAY!!
She might have the intellect of a broom, but damn she is gorgeous (her sisters – not so much).
January 25th, 201012:09 am
My father’s a Vikings fan, and I can assure you he is not saying that today. In fact, he was a Favre hater for much of the early going, even in week one when they decimated my Browns. (not much of a fair fight, and it seems like it never is for us Browns Backers… whatever, I’ll take 5-11 considering the talent level)
I am not a Favre fan by ANY stretch, but come on, don’t be blind with ideology. DOB’s completely right on this one.
As for the Braves moves being akin to the Pirates, that’s actually more ridiculous than the Favre/Vikes piece above. Although the Braves moves are one of a pretender, mostly to keep the fans going until the youth can break through. I’m just happy they didn’t mortgage the future. It’s not like we’re only one or two pieces from legitimately looking better than the Phils, anyways.
Let’s hope HGH really does work, and that Melky goes on lots of it, hahah
January 25th, 201012:12 am
some terrible sentence structure above, apologies gang. can we assume that I’m doing my best Tim Lincecum tonight?
January 25th, 201012:26 am
Good thing you cover baseball, David. My “silly” analysis won me $100 because I called it exactly two weeks before it happened, exactly the WAY it happened, and the person who bet me did so because of my bluster and confidence threw him off being logical. I’m roughly $2500 ahead in football bets in the last 10 years or so because I bother to break down game film and watch.
The Vikings completely outplayed the Saints as far as stats go, mainly because they have superior line play on both sides of the ball. Without Favre, they would still have made the playoffs and maybe the second round; Jackson wouldn’t have taken them farther. But Jackson also wouldn’t have made an 8th grade junior varsity mistake to lose the NFC championship game. Favre’s made a living giving people hope through incredible plays and then dashing it on the rocks on the big stage by doing something an 8 year old girl would know not to do.
That may satisfy you; it apparently does a lot of people. But if you’re a real fan of sound fundamental football, Favre’s the definition of a choke artist in the big moment on the field and the definition of egomaniacal panty waste off it. I don’t presume to tell you anything about baseball or Kansas basketball; you might be served to follow suit with me and the greatest sport (IMO) god ever graced this earth with.
Give me any form of Madden on Xbox or Playstation with any team (in coaches mode, so it’s not a question of reflexes but just play calling), or better yet, gather two teams on a local field in any age group (I’ll let you pick first every time on the players as well) and see which of us knows more football. I’ll lay a crisp $100 right here in front of everyone that you lose.
January 25th, 201012:28 am
Wrangler … real. comfortable. jeans.
January 25th, 201012:32 am
Salamander, her loud chub-chub sister looks like the pig on piggly wiggley signs and is one immature chick. K.Kardashian isn’t ‘ugly’ but she’s far from beautiful.
Anybody like the old rock band Ratt? Sounds awesome in the car. I was beatin to ’round and round’.
January 25th, 201012:33 am
Zach Jones is one of the coolest names ever.
January 25th, 201012:36 am
Brian, agreed that the sisters aren’t much to look at, and the whole family are ambulance chasers and gold diggers, but Kim’s pretty hot in my book.
January 25th, 201012:38 am
I just saw the Ratt video for the first time and OMG … Milton Berle in drag! LOL
January 25th, 201012:39 am
My apologys, Zack Jones
January 25th, 201012:40 am
some dance to remember, some dance to forget.
January 25th, 201012:42 am
TnBrian – I dunno what my deal is necessarily, but I think Kim is an eye-catcher. Maybe its the behind, maybe its her eyes (probably both sets of attributes), whatever the case, she is hot in my book (slutty video excused/ignored).
January 25th, 201012:44 am
Salamander, that’s never excused! Who wants to see that vulgar crap anyways? She’s all talking, “STOP REGGIE …. I’m shy”. Please!
January 25th, 201012:50 am
Slutty video excused/ignored? Does not compute.
January 25th, 201012:52 am
Well, g’night, all. My rebuttal to being insulted is awaiting moderation; I doubt it sees the light of day. No biggie; it was read by who it was intended for.
And after all, it’s only a game, right?
January 25th, 201012:55 am
If we somehow end up with Damon, cool. If not, that’s cool too because I’m reading where he and Kate Hudson are close buds(if ya know what I mean) and do we want to see her posing for the camera’s at Turner Field? I do like Kurt Russell, good actor.
January 25th, 201012:58 am
I’ve actually never bothered watchin’ the sex video. I assumed it featured 2 ‘wannabes’ making career moves, and I’ve since decided to leave it at that. Can’t help it – she is still hot in my book.
January 25th, 20101:03 am
Just finished watching “Amateurs” with Jeff Bridges…. it’s a funny movie. Not a blockbuster or anything, but entertaining nonetheless.
January 25th, 20101:09 am
Speaking of Kate Hudson… she was in “Gossip” wasn’t she?
January 25th, 20101:21 am
“N8, I’m pretty much in full agreement with what your comment at 11:22.” DOB
As I told you a while back, I’m not anti-Favre. Just anti-Vikings. So unfortunately for him, he gets lumped in. Our littl “back and forth’, was nothing more than pleasent jabbing (and I know you know that).
It’s just silly to put this game on Favre. Like I said, that DRIVE was on Favre. But saying they lost this game because of him or that play is as silly as Bucknor getting flack for all those years for that one play. Or Wohlers for giving up the Leyritz HR in 96.
SO MANY OTHER factors go into losing a game like this one. But to put today on Favre is wrong. No matter how much you hate the guy.
Now…. don’t think I didn’t smile. But as much as I am so glad that I don’t have to listen to the local media and FAVR…. er… ESPN talk about him for the next two weeks, I’d be lying if there wasn’t a part of me hoping he’d pull it off just for the history of it. Not necessarily for Brett. But for old guys in general.
January 25th, 20101:28 am
“what’s with all the viking hate?…. what’s N8’s problem I wonder?” nolie
I live in ND and am surrounded by Vikings fans. Can’t stand it. Never liked the team. Never liked the fans. (not completely – some of my best friends, and father in law are DIE HARD Vikings fans).
When I was in my early 20’s I went and saw my Chiefs play the Vikings in Minneapolis and had a Chiefs jersey and baseball cap on. It was about 40 below zero with the wind and we had to pard about 4-5 blocks away from the Metrodome. As we were walking out, I had about 3 cups of beer thrown at me by perfect strangers and froze my ass off walking to my car.
Oh yeah. The Vikings won that day, so I’m not sure what they were mad about? So. THAT is my problem. The Vikings losing is almost as good as the Chiefs or Braves winning.
Am I bitter? Could I get over it and move on? Sure. But it’s just become part of who I am. N8….Viking Hater.
Plus any organization that is willing to trade all those picks for Herschel Walker has to be one of the dumbest organizations in any pro sport.
The best part of that was listening to the fans whine for a decade while Dallas tore up the NFC with all the Vikings draft picks. Priceless.
January 25th, 20101:38 am
Told you, GO SAINTS! XD Zack Jones
I guess you told me alright about Gary Matthews , Jr. cause I never said the Saints would lose or that I wanted them too. So if you think you told me, ok.
January 25th, 20101:47 am
I hope the outfield situation plays out as follows at spring training: Heyward plays OK, but they feel he needs a little time( 2 months time to avoid Super 2 status) at AAA, Schafer tears it up and proves it was the wrist injury that caused his slide last year. Schafer’s performance earns the starting CF job, thus moving McLouth to RF while Diaz and Melky platoon in RF until Heyward is ready in June, then Diaz gives McLouth days off against tough lefties and Melky does the same for Schafer
Schafer, McLouth and Heyward would be the best defensive outfield in baseball.
Vikings are cursed
January 25th, 20101:52 am
Five turnovers says it all.
January 25th, 20101:55 am
Grinch, I have no idea why your 12:26 comment was caught in the filter, since there was nothing at all objectionable in it. But it happens occasionally. Sometimes my own comments get stuck in the filter for no reason, I kid you not. Anyway, I just returned to computer after watching a Law & Order episode on DVR (four episodes more and I’m caught up), and noticed your comment about the rebuttal not being up. Anyway, it’s now up, as posted.
And I would opine about just one thing in it. You wrote:
Jackson wouldn’t have taken them farther. But Jackson also wouldn’t have made an 8th grade junior varsity mistake to lose the NFC championship game.
To which I’d only suggest, Jackson would not have been in position to make such a mistake in the NFC championship game. Because I don’t believe that they would have advanced to tonight’s game, much less come down to a last-minute drive with a chance to win, if Jackson had been their quarterback this season instead of Favre. Do you?
NO MORE BOBBY
January 25th, 20102:56 am
Two words why Schafer will suck as a Brave…. Terry Pendleton.
January 25th, 20103:17 am
DOB, earlier in the year and as Favre was being signed, I recall thinking that Favre the “gunslinger” won’t fit in with what Childress wanted to do. Which is play defense. Run the football, and have a QB he could control/push around.
But a few things happened along the way.
Favre played nice most of the year, except for when they needed him to “save the day” lat in games. Like on that last 2nd TD early in the year.
Add to that, A.P. got lost in the shuffle and returned to being the fumble machine that he was earlier in his career.
I think Jackson was on his way to maturing as a QB, and if Favre is done, he should be fine at QB. Especially if he’s not mentally wounded from all the drama, but also having watched Favre and holding the clipboard for a year. Certainly couldn’t hurt any young QB. And with their run defense, pass rush attack, and basically the overall defensive ability on that side of the ball, if they can cut out the fumbles, I think they EASILY could be a team like the Jets that grinds out victories.
I still stand by that. But you can’t play conservative, smash-mouth (if you will) football and be a turnover machine.
Obviously, from a fun and excitement (of the average NFL fan), and for ESPN, having the attacking style of offense that they did this year is better for ratings. But the Jets showed they could get as deep in the season playing 85 Bears/01 Ravens style of football.
Many roads lead to the final destination kind of thing.
But yeah. I agree to an extent about Jackson probably not taking them as Favre did this year. But how does one really know? Jackson finished the year pretty strong last year. And you can’t tell me that Childress could have predicted A.P.’s sudden case of the dropsies. Add to that, I think some of Peterson’s issues were clearly from not being in ANY sort of rythym all year running the ball. The Vikings were so inconsistent with their week to week philosophy. Run a lot one week. Barely run the next.
In 2008, Adrian Peterson had 10 games of 100+ rushing yards. In 2009, he had 3. Obviously the style of offense changed with Favre. Why wouldn’t it. If healthy (and he was), they wanted to throw more.
But with that defense, I think I would have still been very tempted to just pound the ball with Taylor and Peterson and use that big TE they have. Lot of weapons on that team. I think with or without Favre next year, they are still going to fight it out with GB for the NFC North title, and be one of the NFC playoff teams. But they gotta hang on to that ball.
January 25th, 20103:37 am
eh, figured I’d see if by some odd miracle there were tennis fans up on the blog…
January 25th, 20104:49 am
David, probably not. I think they would have made the playoffs; while not a Vikings fan I believe they were probably the best set up of any team to do so with their solid talent at almost every position. Most games are won in the trenches and the Vikes have great lines on both sides and possibly the best one-two punch at RB in the NFL. A caretaker QB could have got them there, but as we saw with the Ravens it’s not enough to advance far. Brett was worth an extra win or two, and of course it’s exciting to watch someone throw for 400 yards a game which he can remarkably still do at age 40.
However, there are basically two ways of looking at Favre’s play (and this goes from 1992 to last night, because it’s not the slightest bit different): “Wow, I can’t believe he was able to thread the needle to that guy in triple coverage and get the first down,” OR: “Wait a minute, if that guy was triple covered, what should that tell Brett about his other receivers? They’re WIDE OPEN.” Now, showing off his arm during a bad decision has worked quite well for Brett during the regular season and very occasionally in the playoffs. But in the playoffs, his ramping it up and throwing the ball harder into tighter coverage at the last minute of a close game and having it fail, rather consistently, causes me (and probably a few others) to ask “How has this incredibly gifted athlete never managed to really learn the quarterback position despite 19 years of NFL experience and MILES of game tape showing him making the same mistakes? Did nobody EVER sit him down, show him the tape and say “Do you see why we lost now, Brett? Do you see why you don’t throw cross body off your back foot under no pressure when the game’s on the line and all you have to do is use your head?”
On the first replay of that killer drive, Troy Aikman clearly says: “Yeah, they teach you not to do that in pee-wee ball.” Do you think he would have said that on live TV about Montana? Marino? Elway? Hell, even Trent Dilfer? No way. Because those guys are QUARTERBACKS. Favre is a very tough guy with a great arm and lots of padded stats, but he’s ultimately a mush-head. Drew Brees only threw for 2/3 the yards Favre did last night, but he’s going to the super bowl because he made four or five reads every play and threw it away when there was no play. Because he gets it. Favre threw for 400 yards and everyone goes “ooohhh, pretty!” But he also threw three picks, the last one being his patented, killer, didn’t even need to happen one to seal the win for the other team.
Yeah, he’s better than Tavaris Jackson. But factor in the above flaws to the way he treats coaches, the media, his teammates (I must have my own locker room away from the others; they are not worthy of watching me change) and entire cities (tanked the Jets season last year, then “Retired” so that he could sign with the Vikings and stick it to Green Bay who made his worthless drug-addict @$$ in the first place and worshipped him as a god)…how the hell does anyone like this guy? Really?
So I apologize if I sounded a bit harsh, but when I say all this BEFORE it happens, then crow on here when it does and essentially get called an idiot by you, it just didn’t sit very well.
N8, go back and watch every Brett Favre playoff game since the early 90’s (except for ONE season where his team was so talented even he couldn’t blow it in the end) and you’ll notice a startling pattern; one that closely resembles last night. You’re right, he looked great ’till the last drive. That should be on his toombstone.
January 25th, 20107:30 am
Favre is one of the best of all time…
January 25th, 20107:59 am
At………..throwing over his shoulder into traffic for a pick when it counts?
January 25th, 20108:04 am
NO MORE BOBBY
January 25th, 2010
Two words why Schafer will suck as a Brave…. Terry Pendleton.
But……but…… he adores T.P. He has to do well off T.P.’s instruction, right?
January 25th, 20108:33 am
How many other QB’s can say that they ended their career on an interception more than 1 time? That’s pretty good company,
January 25th, 20109:01 am
I was listening to the “Who dats” call in to New Orleans WWL radio, this morning. Many are drinking plenty of fluids to combat the cold & flu.
January 25th, 20109:02 am
If Schafer still has not learned to make consistant solid contact and is still a high K hitter, it doesn’t make any difference that he is healthy and confident – he still will not produce effectively. In their minor league system, the Braves seem to emphasize power hitting – instead of placing emphasis on making conisistant solid contact, high BA, and high OBA – and then letting the power come with experience. This is why they are not develping and will not develop many good hitters.
January 25th, 20109:10 am
Or do you think just playing an additional quarter would be better?
maybe there are reasons against it, but i say an extra quarter. maybe guys getting injured from stretching the game out, or the potential for the game to last literally forever are reasons not to do it, but it doesnt seem fair to go with sudden death. maybe they should play 7 minute periods until someone wins or something.
We talk baseball, other sports, music, movies, BBQ and whatever (except politics or religion)
Atlanta Braves RSS feed
Previous entries »
Send a feedback technical issue
Vacation stops, manage subscriptions and more
Visitor Agreement | Privacy Statement© 2013 The Atlanta Journal-Constitution