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7:03 pm January 15, 2010, by David O'Brien

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Tom O'Hawke

January 16th, 2010
12:23 am

Tom O – more country? From whence comes that?

cabravesfan, I meant that for the chef.

Venice Jim

January 16th, 2010
12:23 am

Tom O – I thought I changed names – damn! Obviously, she is not 5 years younger than BJ…

Venice Jim

January 16th, 2010
12:23 am

I am and idiot…

Tom O'Hawke

January 16th, 2010
12:25 am

Jim, that was you, wasn’t it?

nolie

January 16th, 2010
12:27 am

I am and idiot VJ

glad to see that I am not the only one who does that sometimes.

Jurrjens4NLCY

January 16th, 2010
12:28 am

smartin’ off ain’t necessarily bein’ cranky even for us Methuselahs. I’m proud to say that I can be a smartypants tired or rested. :lol:

Laughing at yourself? Really??

Jimmy Fallon? Is that you?

Venice Jim

January 16th, 2010
12:29 am

nolie – I could have sworn I had changed names that time – usually she’s next to me to notice my dimwittedness…

Tom O'Hawke

January 16th, 2010
12:29 am

Enter your comments here

Jurrjens4NLCY

January 16th, 2010
12:30 am

nolie,

You changing your name to Uncle nolie?

nolie

January 16th, 2010
12:30 am

I laugh at myself a lot on here youngin

jeffrey d

January 16th, 2010
12:30 am

Enter your comments here

Hmm, good point

Venice Jim

January 16th, 2010
12:31 am

Tom O – thanks for making me feel better ;)

nolie

January 16th, 2010
12:32 am

I really ain’t all that avuncular JJ. Sweet & lovable is a come & go kinda thing for me

KnightInATL

January 16th, 2010
12:33 am

Hellllllllllllllllllllllllllllooooooooooooooooooooooooo……….Baseball Fans!!!!!!!!

I can’t wait to hear Casey Motter utter those words on April 5.

Braveheart

January 16th, 2010
12:34 am

A cynic could also notice that Maddux never had an ERA+ less than 125 from 1992 through 2002. Then when drug testing came around in 2003, he never again had an ERA+ above 110. A cynic could also notice that Glavine had an ERA+ less than 125 only twice from 1991 through 2002. Then when drug testing came around in 2003, he never again had an ERA+ above 120. But then if you say Glavine and Maddux should have fallen off in their late 30s, a cynic could counter by wondering how Smoltz was as good in his late 30s as he was in his late 20s. That’s the shame of the roid era.

Venice Jim

January 16th, 2010
12:35 am

Just pulled up a video of Elton doing “Burn Down the Mission” and realized..the video is from 40 years ago… aaaarrrghhh….

Tom O'Hawke

January 16th, 2010
12:35 am

Sorry, VJ. I’m doing other stuff on the computer. My mental responses and physical ones are a bit behind.

I took you as more “country” than I, because, while I can listen to some, I’m not into it very much. I thought you liked a lot of country artists.

Tom O – thanks for making me feel better
Jim, that’s what I’m here for. ;)

nolie

January 16th, 2010
12:37 am

you sayin’ you’re a cynic BH? or are you just sayin’ ?

Jurrjens4NLCY

January 16th, 2010
12:39 am

I really ain’t all that avuncular JJ. Sweet & lovable is a come & go kinda thing for me

My Uncle ain’t that sweet, at New Years he once punched my mom, told me would ride me like a fat boy and would shoot roman candles at me…

…and then he’d start drinking

Venice Jim

January 16th, 2010
12:39 am

Tom O – I might like some, but, other than Buffett forays into country, not near the top of the list…

David O'Brien

January 16th, 2010
12:41 am

Just got back from seeing Crazy Heart. Great movie, with absolutely terrific performance by Jeff Bridges as the fading, alcoholic country singer, Bad Blake. Best acting performance I’ve seen this year, without question.

The music is outstanding for anyone who likes country or alt-country. There’s tunes by Waylon Jennings, Townes Van Zandt, the Louvin Brothers, Buck Owens, etc. Ryan Bingham does the title song and also plays in the first backup band in some tragic show Bad plays at a bowling alley out in some desert town. Great scene that sets the tone.

Bridges can actually sing quite well, does his own songs and they’re all good. His character reminds me a lot of Waylon, right down to the long hair, sunglasses and beer belly. Robert Duvall’s character even calls him “Hoss” one time.

nolie

January 16th, 2010
12:46 am

one of my favorite actors for years. I always like his movies/ I was thinking a bit of Tender Mercies while watching Duvall in this one.

Tom O'Hawke

January 16th, 2010
12:48 am

Tom O – I might like some, but, other than Buffett forays into country, not near the top of the list…

Jim, that’s what it was, thank you! It has been a while, but you and cab were talking about how much you liked Jimmy Buffett. You were kidding around (or not) about going to a Buffett concert in Long Island, or somewhere near. That’s what gave me the impression that you were into country. I was trying to think back as to why, but couldn’t remember.

Jurrjens4NLCY

January 16th, 2010
12:48 am

DOB,

Have you seen Avatar yet?

David O'Brien

January 16th, 2010
12:50 am

Daybed: I’m telling you, Brown was so ridiculously dominant that season. Batter after batter described hitting his heavy sinker as being like making contact with a bowling ball…

Supes: Embarrasing that Alomar didn’t go in on first ballot. One of those years where I’m honestly glad to say my paper doesn’t allow me to vote, and also glad my year as BBWAA president is up, because I got a bunch of calls from radio stations wanted to interview me and ask about Alomar not getting in and other voting matters. I’d cut them off at the pass by explaining, “Sorry man, but I’m not the president anymore. Call John Lowe of the Detroit Free Press. That’s your man.”

Venice Jim

January 16th, 2010
12:52 am

Tom O – that’s what I was thinking might have confused you – she actually listens to a country station on her way to work most mornings. Very unusual – I am still doing the blog thing, while she’s in bed reading…and I get to stay home tomorrow and avoid a family birthday thing while watching football (and internet-watching W&M hoops)

BraveOne

January 16th, 2010
12:58 am

If not Damon will the braves try to sign Dye or Nady ….?

Mitchie-san

January 16th, 2010
12:58 am

Does anyone think that Alomar’s umpire spitting incident would hinder his chances to get in the hall. I mean of course he will, but it might take a while.

nolie

January 16th, 2010
12:59 am

what? you aren’t gonna be a big shot anymore? I’m not sure I can continue to spend time with just an average ol’ beat writer. Hmmm, gonna hafta think about this for a while

Tom O'Hawke

January 16th, 2010
12:59 am

DOB, as long as you’re still up. In your blog, when you were talking about Brown’s stats, you said, “a league-high 16 batters”. I realize this is a typo, but what is it supposed to be? His walks given up for the year? Did he go the entire season with only giving up 16 walks?

Braveheart

January 16th, 2010
1:00 am

nolie, just sayin’ we can twist it around any which way we want about almost every ballplayer over the last two decades no matter how guilty or not any of them individually are

David O'Brien

January 16th, 2010
1:01 am

nolie, did you see it? If so, wasn’t it great when Duvall sang Billy Joe Shaver’s “Live Forever” while they were out fishing? In case you didn’t stay for all the credits, he sings it in the last minute or two there, too.

Here’s ol’ Billy Joe’s video for the song. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeJ4kp1AwY4&feature=related

nolie

January 16th, 2010
1:02 am

TOM, my guess is that he hit 16 batters. he was a meanie

David O'Brien

January 16th, 2010
1:03 am

O’Hawke: Glad you caught that typo. Shoulda been league-high 16 batters hit (by pitches.) That’s what I meant by nasty. Dude had great control, but liked to keep batters honest. Or just hit some because he didn’t like them.

Tom O'Hawke

January 16th, 2010
1:04 am

Tom O – that’s what I was thinking might have confused you – she actually listens to a country station on her way to work most mornings.

Jim, now that you mention it, I remember her saying that. Yes, that may have influenced me, also.

Now that I know better, this could be another reason why you are satisfied with, cabravesfan’s, 95%. :p

nolie

January 16th, 2010
1:06 am

yeah I saw it. Great flick. Did not stay fopr the credits, never do.

Jurrjens4NLCY

January 16th, 2010
1:10 am

DOB,

Have you seen Avatar?

David O'Brien

January 16th, 2010
1:12 am

God, Brown was nasty.

I’ve heard that applies to his demeanor as well as to his pitching repertoire. — StingerSplash

No doubt about that.

Steve from OH

January 16th, 2010
1:13 am

Piazza Will come out and Admit his PED use within the next few years, “Bank On It!’ It seems like a current or ex-MLB player gets busted or admits PED/Steroid use every 6 months…

I can’t say that I’d be surprised if he did. I’m just saying the knees thing is poor evidence. That’s all. Take what I say for what it’s worth, nothing more. Don’t read any more into it…I’m really not that clever.

nolie

January 16th, 2010
1:13 am

JJ I think he said he is not all that into sci-fi and would likely wait. but from what I hear it is especially awesome at Imax theaters and everybody who can should see it in one. Unfortuinately the closest to me is 90 some miles and soI am gonna wait. It has a shot at catching Titanic for all time highest gross.

uga-brave

January 16th, 2010
1:15 am

DOB, always thought the “dude” was a very good actor. pretty good body of work. your paper and usa today think me might be a lock for a oscar.

called crazy heart this years wrestler.

Tom O'Hawke

January 16th, 2010
1:15 am

…league-high 16 batters hit (by pitches). —- DOB

Man, back then, between getting hit by a pitch from Kevin Brown, and/or fouling his pitches off your foot or shin, it was probably a better day to have the flu.

uga-brave

January 16th, 2010
1:17 am

never had a white russian though.

nolie

January 16th, 2010
1:18 am

drink or girl UGA?

Jurrjens4NLCY

January 16th, 2010
1:18 am

nolie,

I wouldn’t call it sci fi. It’s like The Matrix meets Tarzan, very good.

Braveheart

January 16th, 2010
1:19 am

Oh, and it looks like I owe Dr. Gupta a big ole apology after my rant the other day. The UN got all cowardly and stranded Dr. Gupta alone at a hospital with a bunch of patients still needing treatment.

Tomahawkin

January 16th, 2010
1:22 am

Steve From OH

And All other Bloggers!

Todd Hundley was on that stuff in 1996-1999….?

Anyone agree…?

nolie

January 16th, 2010
1:24 am

everybody else calls it sci-fi including Cameron. It’s about aliens on an extra-terrestrial world. that is the essence of sci-fi my lad.

uga-brave

January 16th, 2010
1:25 am

nolie, actually neither. nor a czech or a east german. not my style.

speaking of movies. nolie did you ever see ang lee’s “ride with the devil?” pretty fine flick.

uga-brave

January 16th, 2010
1:26 am

bravey, saw him down there. dont be to hard on yourself though. gotta hunch he aint in the trenches.

Jurrjens4NLCY

January 16th, 2010
1:27 am

Wow, this whole Conan vs. Leno thing is getting really nasty. Leno needs to back off and shut the hell up

KC

January 16th, 2010
1:28 am

DOB, forgive me if you’ve already answered this, but… what say you to Bowman’s comment that it would take a miracle to get Damon here? Are you still of the opinion that there’s still a good chance?

nolie

January 16th, 2010
1:28 am

yes I did UGA. I liked it pretty good, in fact I have a copy. Tobey as a gunslinger instead of a web-slinger.

uga-brave

January 16th, 2010
1:30 am

nolie, i have not seen avatar. really not much of a desire. saw dances with wolves.

that said have you heard or read about the freaks in major depression after seeing the movie. they somehow are depressed that this place does not really exist.

Jurrjens4NLCY

January 16th, 2010
1:34 am

uga-brave,

Colbert Report?

nolie

January 16th, 2010
1:36 am

nolie, i have not seen avatar. really not much of a desire. saw dances with wolves UGA

well there is no question but that westerns and sci-fi are related. In the early days 30s-60s many writers wrote both and sci-fi was often a western plot that took place in space. That is kinda like Avatar from all I have read and heard. I wanna see it I love both genres. along with screwball comedies and film noir.

nolie

January 16th, 2010
1:36 am

Enter your comments here

Braves_Fan_RSD

January 16th, 2010
1:38 am

Tom O’ Hawke good to see ya again man

Tomahawkin

January 16th, 2010
1:39 am

T-Hawkin is Way F’d up! Blogging at the Spot in Norcross…Gotta Go….

Time To Bump some old Keith Sweat, New Kids On The Block ( Sorry D.O.B. but I like that sh…+)

And some more of Color Me Badd..

wayn-0

January 16th, 2010
1:42 am

trade Melky to the Tigers, they need someone for all 3 OF spots & it opens up $3 Mil & you definitely won’t hear any Tigers/Damon rumors anymore. I like him much better especially with Schafer & Heyward coming up – good vet. to have around for those guys!!!

Tom O'Hawke

January 16th, 2010
1:45 am

Tom O’ Hawke good to see ya again man

Hey, “statman”, how ya doin’? I’ve been keeping an eye on you. (I’d rather read figures, than letters) ;)

uga-brave

January 16th, 2010
1:45 am

speaking of westerns, lets go.

outlaw josey wales

tombstone

high plains drifter

unforgiven

the good the bad and rosie odonell

butch cassidy and sundance

the wild bunch

high noon

pale rider

and the shootist, would of put the searchers in the last spot but heck the shootist was the duke’s last movie.

so there is a top ten, in somewhat of a decent order.

uga-brave

January 16th, 2010
1:49 am

jjj, not much of colbert fan, however i do find bill maher on hbo entertaining.

nolie

January 16th, 2010
1:51 am

I don’t think I could come up with a top 25 in westerns UGA. Shane,Once Upon A Time In The west,My Darling Clementine, Oxbow Incident, Stagecoach-Wayne version,The Searchers, Ride The High Country,Dances With Wolves,Cat Ballou,Return Of a Man Called Horse, etc etc added to yours

Tom O'Hawke

January 16th, 2010
1:52 am

nolie, just sayin’ we can twist it around any which way we want about almost every ballplayer over the last two decades no matter how guilty or not any of them individually are
—- Braveheart

I agree. However, that does give us a better appreciation of some of the older players, especially the Braves’ Warren Spahn (363 victories, 382 complete games) and Henry Aaron (don’t get me started!).

Braves_Fan_RSD

January 16th, 2010
1:53 am

Hey, “statman”, how ya doin’? I’ve been keeping an eye on you. (I’d rather read figures, than letters)

I hear ya man however i post most of those at that other site just too hard to keep the flow of a convo here lol.

nolie

January 16th, 2010
1:53 am

I guess on most days I would rate The Wild Bunch first.

Jurrjens4NLCY

January 16th, 2010
1:54 am

Jeff Bridges was on Conan tonight, yesterday.

nolie

January 16th, 2010
1:54 am

Is the other site broken into topics, RSD?

Braves_Fan_RSD

January 16th, 2010
1:56 am

Is the other site broken into topics, RSD?

Yes makes convos much easier to follow

N8

January 16th, 2010
1:57 am

I’ve stated many times that had I had a vote in 96 for NL Cy Young, it would have went to Kevin Brown over Smoltz. Smoltz had a great year, and his great TEAM won most of his starts, which is impressive. I think with the post-season and the all-star game, he won 30 games that year. Definitely worthy of high praise.

But Kevin Brown was the more dominant pitcher that year, on not such a good team.

nolie

January 16th, 2010
1:59 am

Yes makes convos much easier to follow RSD

it does, but I like the free-flow of an open board like this one. I’m on one that gives the option and I chose to open it up. But then I’m kinda a gadfly, I love responding to a baseball stat post and then a movie of music one. To each his own ;)

Braves_Fan_RSD

January 16th, 2010
2:05 am

it does, but I like the free-flow of an open board like this one. I’m on one that gives the option and I chose to open it up. But then I’m kinda a gadfly, I love responding to a baseball stat post and then a movie of music one. To each his own

Oh yeah I read just about every comment on the blog here and respond to the ones I want to lol

I love this blog DOB is great love his KMA attitude toward some of the dumb@s$e$ on here and doesnt take any crap lol. Just when Im trying to post stats i take too long because I verify from many different sites and usually do long analysis lol and on here sometimes if the person you have responded to isnt here and never sees it and it just feels empty lol. Yes some others may respond but usually my posts are directed at a certian individual that others can discuss. Oh well guess Im picky. I read this everyday just respond sparatically when I feel compelled to, or if Im asking DOB a direct question.

Braves_Fan_RSD

January 16th, 2010
2:08 am

For example earlier when darren was on here and he said Diaz/McLouth/Melky worst OF in baseball I went through ewvery team and found their depth chart then took those three’s last year stats and came up with their AVG/OBP/SLG/OPS but by the time I had done all the research he was gone and the convo was dead Oh well lol

nolie

January 16th, 2010
2:11 am

yeah you can lose a poster here sometimes no doubt. I just get kinda bored having to stick to one subject. and eventually many of the regulars go back to find anything directed to them. I verify any stats I post too, but usually with only one site. unless it involves several proprietary stats.

nolie

January 16th, 2010
2:12 am

I’m not usually ambitious enough to do what you gave as an example.

Braves_Fan_RSD

January 16th, 2010
2:15 am

Oh its not just one subject nolie right now we have 32 active discussions that have been posted to in the last week its kind of like here just you open the thread that your comment pertains to and post it there. Cool thing is it will take you to the last post you read in the thread, it will also let you quote with the push of a button, you can multi quote many users, and no html is necessary you want something bolded just press bold i really like it lol

uga-brave

January 16th, 2010
2:16 am

n8, no doubt brown was completely nasty. no argument from anyone that watched him pitch.

to many uzr, ubr’s whatever. watch a nasty pitcher that throws a heavy ball.

Tom O'Hawke

January 16th, 2010
2:19 am

nolie & Braves_Fan_RSD

You’ve convinced me. There is probably room for both!

nolie

January 16th, 2010
2:21 am

no doubt Tom

nolie

January 16th, 2010
2:22 am

is that a hint that you are getting tired of this thread?? :)

nolie

January 16th, 2010
2:23 am

you better stick with the open format Tom

Tom O'Hawke

January 16th, 2010
2:26 am

is that a hint that you are getting tired of this thread??

nolie, you are one perceptive son-of-a-b…. :D

uga-brave

January 16th, 2010
2:28 am

funny thing if you even type in you know who’s name they flag you.

o.k. for all the long time atlanta jouranl constitution readers like myself.

here goes another top ten.

jesse outlar

lewis grizzard {and his dog catfish}

mark schlbach ( georgia guy)

david o’ brien, the espn guy.

in all seriousness dave, you are the “wild bunch” of westerns. you are in the eye of the beholder.

seriously, you are involved and you definetely make it fun around here.

you know when to give it and take it, always enjoyable.

nolie

January 16th, 2010
2:30 am

Grizzard was awesome

uga-brave

January 16th, 2010
2:36 am

anybody want a german shepherd? got fritz the dog, and sasha. fritz, is close to 13. about nine months ago i thought he was done. the vet gave him anti-inflams and he is ok, not great.

actually you would have to pry these two dog out of my wifes hands.

Tom O'Hawke

January 16th, 2010
2:36 am

Hey Braves_Fan_RSD , I see on your other site that you are currently only givng the Braves a 19.1% chance of making the playoffs. 4 teams make the playoffs, from the NL, out of 16. That’s 1 in 4, or 25%. If everything is equal, all teams would have a 25% chance of making the playoffs (in the NL). So, are you saying, that right now, you think that the Braves’ chances of making the playoffs, are that much less than equal?

uga-brave

January 16th, 2010
2:37 am

nolie. ever read any of his books?

uga-brave

January 16th, 2010
2:39 am

nolie,

DOB, LEWIS GRIZZARD polar opposites.

nolie

January 16th, 2010
2:39 am

nope, just his columns UGA, but I enjoyed them

Braves_Fan_RSD

January 16th, 2010
2:40 am

Hey Braves_Fan_RSD , I see on your other site that you are currently only givng the Braves a 19.1% chance of making the playoffs. 4 teams make the playoffs, from the NL, out of 16. That’s 1 in 4, or 25%. If everything is equal, all teams would have a 25% chance of making the playoffs (in the NL). So, are you saying, that right now, you think that the Braves’ chances of making the playoffs, are that much less than equal? TOM O’HAWKE

I don’t remember posting that what was the date of that post and in what thread?

nolie

January 16th, 2010
2:43 am

According to ESPN.com following is what the deal turned out to be.

Among free agents, first baseman Adam LaRoche and Arizona finalized a one-year contract that guarantees him $6 million. LaRoche gets $4.5 million this year, and the deal includes a $7.5 million mutual option for 2011 with a $1.5 million buyout. LaRoche receives the buyout if either side declines, and if he gets traded the option price would increase to $9.5 million.

Braves_Fan_RSD

January 16th, 2010
2:43 am

Tom O’Hawke the only thing I remember was coming up with a projection formula to estimate the number of wins for any team by taking Bill James projections and their career UZR/150 and putting it into MLB.COM’s xW-L formula it would also work for trades and right now it projects us to be 94 – 68 which I would have to say is much better than 19.1%

nolie

January 16th, 2010
2:46 am

remember that 94-68 number and let’s see if it is in the ballpark at the end of the season.

Braves_Fan_RSD

January 16th, 2010
2:50 am

remember that 94-68 number and let’s see if it is in the ballpark at the end of the season.

Yeah thats based on the projections but say for Example Glaus went down in ST and was replaced by Eric Hinske for the entire season and Mitch Jones replaced him on the bench we drop to 89 – 73

Tom O'Hawke

January 16th, 2010
2:53 am

Braves_Fan_RSD

Ha, ha … It wasn’t until you asked me about it, that I went back to copy & paste this: “Realistically what are our chances for the post season?
Posted By Braves_Fan_RSD
Braves now 19.1% chance to get into playoffs!”

Ahhh, what I failed to see the first time is the date of this. You posted this on Sept. 27th. In retrospect, your 19.1% chance of the Braves making the playoffs, now seem a tad high. :P

Braves_Fan_RSD

January 16th, 2010
2:54 am

Tom O’Hawke yeah that was when we were in the playoff race last season lol

nolie

January 16th, 2010
2:58 am

I think they are all too high RSD, but I understand the premise. I just think it will be interesting to see. That’s the kinda stuff that piques my interest even though I am skeptical of most stats beyond OPS+ or ERA+
.I don’t know how you are figuring it, but it seems to me that many of those equations add subjective thought back in, for instance the concept of what makes a replacement player, . Bill James WinShares had a cheat factor built in IIRC. If you didn’t like the way the equation turned out on a player you could change a variable. At least I think I remember that from when it first came out, but any system that put Biggio in the top 50players of all time which I’m pretty sure it did, wouldn’t impress me at all.

uga-brave

January 16th, 2010
2:59 am

nolie, lewis and bartkowski used to hang out at the old peachtree cafe. the southern mafia. dont see lewis hanging out at little five points.

loved grizzards columns. he was never politicaly correct. he was a southern gentleman. bay area he drank more bourbon, chased more skirts then anyone could of imagined. great pair of gucchi loafers.

Braves_Fan_RSD

January 16th, 2010
3:07 am

nolie its very basic accounting for runs+ basically the number of runs produced or saved in comparison to runs given up

((RS^1.82)/((RS^1.82)+((RA+56+(UZR/150*-1))^1.82)))*162

if that makes any sense to you lol

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