7:03 pm January 15, 2010, by David O'Brien
January 15th, 20108:57 pm
Griffey definitely has the greatest swing of all time.
January 15th, 20108:58 pm
I like this whole recommendations thing on Amazon.com.. but every now and then they throw in something crazy like “Erotic Arabian Love Stories” and you’re like WTF?
January 15th, 20109:00 pm
Piazza May’ve Been on Roids or some other PED’s…
Consider it, He played the most demanding position on the field and his knees broke down…Think about it he didn’t even play his career on Artificial turf
January 15th, 20109:01 pm
God, Brown was nasty.
I’ve heard that applies to his demeanor as well as to his pitching repertoire.
January 15th, 20109:02 pm
The Waterboys, that’s what I’m talking about!
Summer of 91
January 15th, 20109:04 pm
they think Wagner is dirt. I’m still not sure why we let Rafi and Gonzo go for Saito and Wags, but I’m on board now, as a Braves fan you gotta just get on board, It made alot more sense before the Melky/Javy deal. I don’t like running out so many different players every year, I know it’s a sign of the times but damn!
Steve from OH
Consider it, He played the most demanding position on the field and his knees broke down
Eh, I dunno. That’s pretty weak evidence for PED use. Not saying he didn’t do it, but that’s not proof he did it…
nolie lotsa folks feel the same way you do, certainly McFann does
Totally! Doubles are the greatest…Remember, “homers are rally killers”…
Mark Bowmen (Around the Horn: Catchers) Still, as long as McCann continues producing the offensive numbers that have been present throughout the early years of his career, there won’t be many people nitpicking about his defense.
January 15th, 20109:08 pm
Check out the poll on ESPN.com:
Which young NL East starting pitcher is the best?
JJ is in 3rd with 20% of the votes
January 15th, 20109:10 pm
Diaz is a good egg and a fun player but I have a feeling (as I had said) if Wren moves one of the 4th OFers it will be Matt.
I think they are intrigued by Melky and given the age & defensive strength differences Wren opts for the 25yo switch hitter with a WS ring versus the 32yo good egg who can hit lefties.
Keeping Melky is a risk no doubt but his potential trade upside is higher than Diaz. Diaz needs to be on an AL team where he can play the OF and DH.
At some point they are going to let Diaz go for nothing. At 32yo Wren may decide not to wait for economics to cause him to drop Diaz not when he can get prospects today.
Wren could find a team like that and get something useful.
I would say:
January 15th, 20109:16 pm
I’d go for that…although I voted for JJ in the poll.
January 15th, 20109:21 pm
January 15th, 20109:22 pm
Hamels is a weenie. He needs to shut up and play the game. Last season he complained way too much about stupid stuff.
January 15th, 20109:24 pm
I’m over Hamels, he got his money. Johnson may win the Cy this year, STUD
January 15th, 20109:25 pm
Steve From OH
Piazza Will come out and Admit his PED use within the next few years, “Bank On It!’ It seems like a current or ex-MLB player gets busted or admits PED/Steroid use every 6 months…
January 15th, 20109:27 pm
i wish they would just make the list public. why do we have to have this 1 by 1 thing ? this might take twenty years for everyone to be named and then admit it.
January 15th, 20109:30 pm
This in no way is of the magnitude of the Banned One predicting a football score but…………..
January 12th, 2010
RC – I live just South of Miami and I follow the Marlins quite a bit. They are now, under this ownership, CHEAPSKATES.
They may have agreed to increase their payroll, but I promise you that there will be some underhanded way of doing it. Like signing Josh Johnson to a Hanley Ramirez like contract
Florida Marlins ace Josh Johnson agrees to four-year, $39M deal
Days after they were criticized for not spending more on players’ salaries, the Florida Marlins agreed to terms with ace Josh Johnson on a four-year, $39 million contract. Miami Herald
January 15th, 20109:32 pm
Frank Thomas… First ballot joe r
yeah as long as his name stays untainted
January 15th, 20109:34 pm
Nobody likes a bragger
January 15th, 20109:35 pm
I think that money is just fine for STUD, maybe even a steal. not sure why a Marlins fan is upset.
January 15th, 20109:36 pm
I know that Teddy Ballgame and some of the other oldtime “real” HOFers were upset by some of the players who squeezed in at the last moment or who came in via OldTimmersComm. “A real HOFer doesn’t hafta wait around for years to get in.”
January 15th, 20109:37 pm
Steve from OH,
You never replied.
January 15th, 20109:38 pm
All joking aside, I was expecting McGriff to get atleast %60 votes if not elected….. Something is wrong… Chuck
really? not me. I think he is borderline and will take a while to get there, though in the long run I think it likely that he will be elected.
January 15th, 20109:43 pm
The begger coming back. Another reason to hate the Braves. And I do mean Hate.
I think it will take the Crime Dog a few years to get in.
Uh, Tore up knees for a catcher is job related stress-NOT proof of steroid use. It’s kind of why so many catchers play first base later in their career-their knees are shot.
Chuck James was Solid Until the 6th!!!
January 15th, 20109:44 pm
If McGriff finished with 500 HR’s….. He gets in 1rst ballot right?? Especially in the steroid era and he was no way a user being he looked the same in his 1rst game as he did his last. Was the definition of consistent, was a class-act and helped lead the Braves to a WS title. It’s a no brainer to me. You don’t think he should have atleast gotten %60??? I sure as hell do!
And as for Bert Bly if he had 300 wins, I know he’s 10-14 short or whatever…I’m saying if he had 300 even, he would have been in… His consistency was amazing!
January 15th, 20109:45 pm
January 15th, 20109:49 pm
Bly will get in next year most likely. He’s like 6 votes short.
January 15th, 20109:50 pm
Chuck-And Blyleven had the best curve I’ve ever seen. Jim Kaat should be in, too, for his fielding if nothing else. He had something like 13 Gold Gloves and won close enough to 300 games for him to be a no brainer. Maybe Tommy John, too-or at least they should pay him royalties on using his name so damned much.
January 15th, 20109:51 pm
If McGriff finished with 500 HR’s….. He gets in 1rst ballot right? Chuck
I don’t think that is an automatic anymore what with guys hitting way more than 500 in recent years. I don’t think the 7 homers are making much difference. I think he will get in but I think it will take 5 or more years b4 it happens. There is a “dead” year coming up, but a pretty strong slate of players are entering the race over the next 5-6 years, and a lot of years only one or at most two guys get in. I think he will hafta wait his turn.
January 15th, 20109:52 pm
They Should Make The HOF list a pubic balloting just like they do for the crappy all star selections online and at the ballparks…but I think the HOF voting would be better online since it won’t be done by Naive kids
January 15th, 20109:54 pm
Johnson may win the Cy this year, STUD
Josh Johnson? Not a stud, overrated.
January 15th, 20109:55 pm
and he was no way a user being he looked the same in his 1rst game as he did his last. Chuck
that’s a flimsy argument, lots of proven cheaters didn’t change their appearance. depends on how they used then. Justice and Palmeiro never changed, nor did most any pitcher who used them and there were aton of those. Way too simplistic an argument. Might be true that he never used, I kinda believe it is, but nothing proves it by appearance.
Yeh, that curve was freakish, makes Zito’s look like a straight shot….
My reasoning with McGriff and the 500 was he did it without the steroids. 500 doesn’t mean AS MUCH these days because of the inflated steroid-era numbers. My reasoning, again that McGriff should have gotten atleast %60 if not in, is because he had NOTHING to do with steroids and his 493 HR’s were all off pure talent, not cheating. And speaking of Griffey with the sweetest swing ever, I put McGriff up there too…
January 15th, 20109:59 pm
sorry man, Johnson is the real deal, JJ is the sh*t too, I’m a huge Braves fan so I love me some JJ and Hanson, but Josh Johnson is a stud. Ask Bobby Cox or anyone in Baseball if he’s overated.
January 15th, 201010:00 pm
just realized something, Hopefully it is obvious in an ATL blog that JJ refers to Jurrjens.
January 15th, 201010:05 pm
in sheer boredom tonight i’ve been listening to the ryan adams & the cardinals show from last year at the fox theater in atlanta on archive.org….what a shame this guy isn’t playing music anymore….this guy set a bar that nobody could reach…so it’s probably a great thing for the rest of us musicians that he’s not making us all look silly anymore.
January 15th, 201010:07 pm
oh yea and Josh Johnson hit bombs also.
fyi lebrave is lexbrave with a stuck x key on his keyboard
January 15th, 201010:09 pm
Summer of 91
Johnson isn’t even in the top ten of best starting pitchers in the NL
January 15th, 201010:12 pm
We were talking about the NL East.
January 15th, 201010:20 pm
I’m just saying that Johnson is very overrated, and no where near a stud. If the voters knew what JJ (Jurrjens) could do, JJ (Jurrjens) would be in the lead.
January 15th, 201010:21 pm
Palmeiro In Minor Leagues: http://woolis.com/images/Vintage/87Palmeiro3Web.jpg
Palmeiro In ‘06ish: http://cache.deadspin.com/sports/raffyandsosabestbuds.jpg
(Suspicious in the Orioles Uni is how baggy it was there and you can tell he’s massive there)
Justice was a unique case with roids as I believe he used them very limitedly post-ATL
Justice as a Rookie: http://www.johnstoncrew.com/LeafDaveJusticeRC.jpg
Justice as a Yankee: http://unsportsmanlikecomment.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/x00229_9.jpg
It was as evident with Dave, because as I mentioned he was allegedly a temporary user (less then 3 years) Whereas guys like Giambi, Bonds, McGwire, Sosa etc. were users for 5-10 years
Eric from MO
January 15th, 201010:23 pm
Chuck (8:37 post) your entitled to your opinion and trust me I understand your reasoning. Just my opinion 1st ballot goes to players who were the best players of their era, regardless of their position. When I think of the top players from 93 to 05(highlight of his career) I just dont think of Piazza as one of them. Obviously a HOF and one of the 3 best catchers to play the game. Like I said I understand your all’s opinion, just isnt mine. I dont think either is right or wrong.
January 15th, 201010:25 pm
Saw Blyleven pitch many times in the early 70’s and there has never been a better curveball! He was always outspoken and maybe a bit of a nut. Deserves to be in the Hall and I think he’ll make it.
January 15th, 201010:27 pm
First ballot often depends on the slate. Seldom do more than one or two guys get elected, and that can push others back sometimes
January 15th, 201010:29 pm
Clemens as a Rookie (Look at his upper body in particular): http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2006/04/04/1144166991_0860.jpg
Clemens in his roided days beating ATL with his Boy Roid Pettitte stealing the NLDS from ATL by cheating (Here he is with a Yankee, notice the baggy shirt again): http://www.esquire.com/cm/esquire/images/roger-clemens-0209-lg-42231918.jpg
Alot of the roid users, like Manny for example think by wearing those big baggy uniforms fools us, but we’re not idiots…
January 15th, 201010:32 pm
Deserves to be in the Hall and I think he’ll make it. MEB
I think he will likely make it too.He has two more years and was only a few votes short this time
I understand what you’re saying. However, players will get bigger over their career with strength training… just not THAT big.
Why are Braves fans putting Johnson ahead of Jair? He has already had injury problems, is two years older, and had a worse season than JJ in 2008 and 2009(JJ’s only two full seasons). I understand for Phillies fans voting for their guy and Marlin fans voting for their guy, but why do Braves fans not like Jair. I really dont get why Braves fans dont realize how good he is. Is it because scouts only projected him as a number 2 at best? We all know scouts have never been wrong. What does he have to do to get some love from Braves fans.
January 15th, 201010:33 pm
Brown was nasty.
Brown still is nasty. My baby cousin had Brown in his pants at the park last week, filthy filthy stuff.
I’ll say this Johnson is a good pitcher, could be great if he wasn’t so flaky. But saying he is a stud and a Cy Young contender is crazy.
Can you honestly tell me that you would rather have Johnson on this team than Jurrjens?
Eric from MO
I get what you’re sayin man. My SOLE reasoning is that when you’re looking at players for HOF voting, you compare players to guys that played the similar position. So Piazza IS one of the top 3 offensive catchers EVER so he gets in IMO. Do you think Ryne Sandberg would have gotten in if he was a 1rst Baseman?? HELLLL NO!!! The reason he got in was because he was one of the top 2nd Baseman ever, AKA, one of the very best at his POSITION of all time…. Just like Piazza clearly was for a VERY long time…
January 15th, 201010:35 pm
it makes mne laugh when people talk about damons defence after a season of watching loaf ,like get real can you pppl see???
January 15th, 201010:36 pm
Not me Eric! I think Jair will win 2+ Cy Youngs when all is said and done and he acts like a 12 year seasoned veteran on the mound. He is an absolute stud and is TWENTY THREE!!! God I love that dude!!
January 15th, 201010:38 pm
I think Jair will win 2+ Cy Youngs when all is said and done and he acts like a 12 year seasoned veteran on the mound. He is an absolute stud and is TWENTY THREE!!! God I love that dude!!
If Jurrjens strikes more people out he has a good chance of being a cy young candidate.
January 15th, 201010:41 pm
there are dozens and dozens of pitchers who used who did not change much. Taking steroids does not bulk you up unless you use them for that reason. all players even non users get bigger as they get olderand yes even b4 PEDs there were some big increases in size.. you can not know for sure by looking a lot of the time and you are kidding yourself if you think that you can. Manny bulked up some but many did not. More players used it for bounce-back effect than used it to bulk up. Believe what you want. I’m not gonna argue the point any more,
anyway a number of players have gotten 20 some% the first time and eventually gotten in.
But I bet you my Confederate dollar he does not get in in the next 2-3 years, maybe not in the next 5-6 years.
Derrick Dooley is the Anti-Kiffin. I have no clue whether or not the guy can coach football, but he appearred to be pure class in his press conference.
January 15th, 201010:43 pm
Everybody argueing McGriff should be in, here is another opinion on why he isnt. Most Hall-of-Famers have a team that he is associated with that he played with for 10 or more years. We all associate McGriff with the Braves since we are Braves fans. However, he only played 4.5 years here, which was the most for him with any team. For a player who is borderline they almost need a team to be associated with to put them over the top. McGriff does not have this. He played for 6 different teams over the course of his career. I believe this has hurt him. Its just an idea. Does everybody think I am completely off-base or may be on to something?
January 15th, 201010:44 pm
BTW Chipper is 50 lbs heavier now than he was in AA andAA ball.
January 15th, 201010:45 pm
Chuck I agree with your thinking on HOF overall. Just not on the first ballot.
Sandy Koufax is the greatest lefty of all time, if Johnson or Glavine would have ever pitched 335.2 innings, 382 K’s with a .85 WHIP (That’s right, .85), we’d have won my vote.
January 15th, 201010:46 pm
He played for 6 different teams over the course of his career. I believe this has hurt him. Its just an idea. Does everybody think I am completely off-base or may be on to something? Eric
I think that makes sense. A Maddux doesn’t need that, but it can’t hurt someone than many see as borderline. In the long rum likely not a deal breaker, but in the short run it might make a difference.
January 15th, 201010:47 pm
But it took Sandy FOREVER to get it together
January 15th, 201010:49 pm
J-Crawwwwww. Hawks win on a buzzer beating 3.
January 15th, 201010:50 pm
Great end to that Hawks game. Just like that Utah-Cleveland game last night.
Brandon from Warner Robins
January 15th, 201010:53 pm
now that was a finish….good win for the Hawks.
Glad to see Glavine might be rejoining the organization.
January 15th, 201010:54 pm
But it took Sandy FOREVER to get it together
White man be keepin’ him down!
January 15th, 201010:59 pm
I don’t think Maddux, Glavine or Smoltz used PEDs, but then again how do we really know? Not every one used to get big. Some used just to recover. Maddux and Glavine never went on the DL. Smoltz came back from catastrophic arm injury after catastrophic arm injury, and was still a power pitcher in his 40s. How many other power pitchers past the age of 40 have there been in the history of the game before Nolan Ryan, who while he was in his 40s was a teammate of well known PED users such as Canseco, Palmeiro, Pudge, Juan Gone, Kevin Brown……….
actually Sand and The Big Ugly were something alike. They were both very wild as youngsters and ended up with great control. Randy had a WHIP of .90 one year, not much difference there
January 15th, 201011:06 pm
is Boras wearing a dickie in that picture? reminds me a cousin eddie
January 15th, 201011:08 pm
also – I would like to see the Braves go maybe $2-3mil over their self imposed payroll and save more in the long run by leaving Heyward in AAA for a while. Seems logical
January 15th, 201011:17 pm
“I don’t think Maddux, Glavine or Smoltz used PEDs, but then again how do we really know?”
Unfortunately, no matter how much time goes on, we’ll only find out, little by little, those that are guilty. We’ll probably never know for sure, those that aren’t. It’s too bad for the fans, but even worse for the innocent ballplayers that did it the “hard (and honest) way”.
January 15th, 201011:20 pm
Randy had a WHIP of .90 one year, not much difference there
Was it over 335 innings?
January 15th, 201011:22 pm
Early Wynn won exactly 300 games, the last in 1963 but wasn’t elected to the Hall of Fame until 1972.
January 15th, 201011:33 pm
I’ve always wondered if Tom O’Hawke was using PED’s – but we’ll never know…
January 15th, 201011:37 pm
January 15th, 201011:41 pm
Uh, … and hello to you too Venice Jim. I’m sorry about my 11:17 post. Every once and awhile, a little profoundness leaks out of me. If it’s not too much trouble, say “hi” to cab.
January 15th, 201011:43 pm
VJ, omit last sentence.
January 15th, 201011:48 pm
Tom O – We are currently playing around with YouTube videos – I just led her into Billy Joel/Elton John together – damn, I’m old…
January 15th, 201011:49 pm
I’ve used PEDs,
Every morning I drink some coffee to preform better in life.
“old coronado sailor, just like in the song …, them was the dayz”
I was stationed on the USS Coronado (AGF-11). Them were the days…
January 15th, 201011:50 pm
It’s kind of sad, really…I like about 95% of his music and he refuses to listen to most of mine…
Kaat won 283 lost 237 with an ERA of 3.45 over a 25 year career. Why isn’t he in the HOF?
January 15th, 201011:54 pm
DOB — While I was reading your blog, I looked up Kevin Brown’s game log for 1996 on baseball-reference.com. 8 out of his 11 losses (yes, 8 out of 11) were quality starts. And in 7 of those starts he went not just the requisite 6 innings for a quality start, but at least 7 innings. Wow. Good thing Smoltz was so Cy Young-like. (Eh heh heh, right?)
January 15th, 201011:56 pm
you gotta admitt the braves ran into their share of pitchers having career years in the playoffs.
brown with san diego and florida, schilling, the unit, kerry wood, mark prior and oswalt.
one thing they all had in common? dead arse power pitchers.
If John Schuerholz could find a way to get rid of Frank Wren and make Tom Glavine the GM? Now that would be fitting.
But, I commend Glavine for not snubbing the Braves after last year’s debacle. Wren could definitely take some lessons from Glavine on class.
January 15th, 201011:57 pm
Was it over 335 innings? JJ
no it was over 245, but it is a percentage y’know? They don’t pitch 300+ innings any more in case you hadn’t noticed. He did have 290 Ks in 245 IP.
January 16th, 201012:01 am
Early Wynn won exactly 300 games, the last in 1963 but wasn’t elected to the Hall of Fame until 1972 EW
a part of that was a perception that he hung around just to win 300, not pitching all that well. It ain’t completely true IMO, but that was the rap.
January 16th, 201012:02 am
kevin brown those two years with the fish and the pads was flat out filthy.
threw hard and threw a heavy ball.
January 16th, 201012:06 am
speaking of pitching, how many potentially great pitchers will dusty baker ruin?
prior, wood, schmidt, harang, now maybe volquez and cueto.
January 16th, 201012:09 am
Tom O – We are currently playing around with YouTube videos – I just just led her into Billy Joel/Elton John together – damn, I’m old…
VJ, you don’t have to be old to appreciate good music. My father was into music, when I was growing up, the way DOB seems to be now. He died when I was 16 (my father, not DOB). I kind of stayed into that era of music. My musical appreciation (group-wise), if anything, went more back into time than in the future. I liked to find out the origins of the artists that I liked.
I think we both like many songs/artists from the same time period. You are probably more country, I’m more rock. Wouldn’t that make a great song? Maybe we can get Donny and Marie to sing it.
no it was over 245, but it is a percentage y’know? They don’t pitch 300+ innings any more in case you hadn’t noticed. He did have 290 Ks in 245 IP.
Shhh Unlce nolie, it’s far past your bed time, take your Ambien and Thorazine (for your hiccups) and go to sleep, we don’t need you smarting off to anyone Mr. Crankypants ll.
January 16th, 201012:13 am
Time for bed
Night Tom! (and to the rest of the blog as well )
January 16th, 201012:17 am
Tom O – more country? From whence comes that? I grew up a few miles from Billy Joel (5 years older than me), and he used to play at my high school – country not exactly a Long Island thing… Not into the some of the hard rock LALady is into…
January 16th, 201012:19 am
smartin’ off ain’t necessarily bein’ cranky even for us Methuselahs. I’m proud to say that I can be a smartypants tired or rested.
cabravesfan, don’t ever let a guy know that you like 95% of ANYTHING. You don’t have to be a mathematician, like Jim, to know that you’re way ahead of the odds!
January 16th, 201012:21 am
Reid Adair, right on. Whatever anger people had or still have at Glavine for the “strike” situation should now realize how classy this guy is. If he takes a job with the org. that “snubbed” him only a year later which had to degrade him to a degree, than I can’t imagine how any Braves fan could hold nothing but much respect for him.
I think ole Johnny would have a job by now if his agent wasn’t being a greedy prick. I know he’s made him and most of his other clients rich through the years, but he can be flat out rediculous. I wouldn’t be shocked if none of Damon,Nady or Ankiel are signed by ST, maybe right before.
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