2:24 pm January 8, 2010, by David O'Brien
January 10th, 20106:10 pm
There are very few “cant miss” baseball prospects. I saw Griffey and Andruw both at 18. They were amazing and you could not imagine how they would not be very good major leaguers. I put Heyward in that class. You cant say he will be a star but after seeing him play it is hard for me to imagine that he will not atleast be a very solid MLB player.
Again..the 3-pt shot is the great equalizer in basketball. If UT keeps hitting their 3s…ya never know.
cab, I have to cheer for someone!
ESCOBAR For M.V.P.
Could Milky be a 20 80 man? just 25 something to ponder on.
Agreed on not blocking Heyward and Schafer. If they are not BOTH up and contributing at or beyond expectations by mid-season, I’ll be shocked. Especially Schafer. We must remember that Heyward only has a part of a season above AA- Schafer has MLB experience. I think unless the J-Hey Kid tears cover off the ball in Spring, then Schafer will be up quicker.
I just turned on the Kansas-Tennessee game. I’ll take a page from those on here who hate and will root for Tennessee just so a “certain blogger” will see his undefeated team go down in flames today (even though I could care less who wins).
January 10th, 20106:11 pm
If Jamal (JBall) Crawford is off, the Hawks will struggle!
True that, B & I. I saw that last night when the Hawks got beat down by the Magic. At least we can beat Boston this year.
What scale are we measuring Heyward on? How will we, as fans, determine if he fulfills the hype?
January 10th, 20106:12 pm
I want the Braves to steal more. We need more stolen bases. Stolen bases turn into runs. joe r
I think you need to spend some time with team’s season figures. There is not a whole lot of correlation between stolen bases and runs scored. Teams with high stolen base totals are as likely to be near the bottom as near the top of the runs scored list.
January 10th, 20106:13 pm
Gone Viral……….I had forgotten about the Adam Shefter thing on The NFL Network. I remember turning back and forth between the two channels during the draft and was like “damn” dude must of had an mic planted somewhere, lol.
To whom are you referring
To whom are your referring regarding in your 6:10pm post?
January 10th, 20106:14 pm
January 10th, 2010
What scale are we measuring Heyward on? How will we, as fans, determine if he fulfills the hype?
I will be disappointed if he does not end up a 25 hr 100 rbi .290 hitter in his career. I think he can be much better than that as well. When you see him play he jumps out at you.
I am surprised at how well UT is playing today.
Could Milky be a 20 80 man? Escobar
20 doubles and 80 Ks? Sure.
January 10th, 20106:15 pm
To whom are you referring………..ask around.
The Bird and Indian
January 10th, 20106:16 pm
Soph: I can’t remember the last time we didn’t have a letdown against the Magicians. It’s either a straight blow out or we give up a ridiculous lead.
I dont see Melky hitting 20 or driving in 80. I think his ceiling is 15 70 .275.
Rob in pain from (SC)
yes, that is why I said I want the Vikings to beat Dallas
Someone ban that guy....
January 10th, 20106:17 pm
He must be stopped.
lentz– you know that i’ve taken up for you many times when people were asking that you be banned. frankly, i like some of your perspectives on baseball, and i have to say that i get a kick out of your honesty regarding your personal life. BUT it’s incredibly rude of you to keep posting politics on this board. that’s coming from a lefty as well, so dont think i’m saying that b/c i disagree with your perspectives. i told wayne it was wrong to post his conservative views here, and i’m saying the same for your liberal views. this is not the place for that, and the reasons are many. show some decency and cut it out.
January 10th, 20106:18 pm
Rob in pain from (SC)…………you’re going to be disappointed when the Cowboys beat the Vikings next week. Our defense is going to put a hell of a lot of pressure on Brett Farve.
January 10th, 20106:19 pm
Just saw your post…. I hope you aren’t “referring” to me. I am not rooting against KU just to spite DOB. I would like to see UT win…but I root for all underdogs accept with my UK team of course. I like DOB quite a bit….he being a KU fan has absolutely nothing to do with my rooting interests. Though, I really like discussing college hoops with him.
Chuck James was Solid until the 6th!!!
January 10th, 20106:20 pm
There was no way they got sent down after Francoeur had 2 1/2+ seasons of success offensively and 3+ years of ridiculously solid defense. KJ was working on his consistent success and after he finished ‘08 as strong as he did, there was no way Cox sat him down because that was KJ’s M.O. from day 1. Remember he started ‘05 like 1-31? Cox stuck with him, he broke out and did good. I guess Cox kept sticking with KJ because he saw both sides of him, hoping his bad side would subside. Didn’t happen as we know….
With Francoeur it was painful to have him as “The Natural” and then to face reality. I’m sure it was even more painful that that was Cox’s next star-child. He was in denial and had no other real great long term options. Long term meaning Francoeur was supposed to be the next Chipper. You just can’t throw that away even though eventually, they had to. But DAMN his 1rst 2 1/2 seasons were so promising! I am mad at Jeff that he couldn’t seem to get over himself and he eventually blamed Atlanta. Whatever, have funn in Flushing hitting 7 HR’s, Jeff.
Atleast we still have Norton and Bennett to massacre though. There is NO reasoning there! Norton had to lose ATLEAST 4-6 games individually before the All-Star break last year. It seemed like once a week he came up with a runner on 3rd less than 2 outs and grounded hard to first or K’d. Bennett, everything and anything Bennett related was a total joke, including him in general away from baseball. That’s how much I hate him! The worst is when he cried to try to explain breaking his hand or ya’know what’s worse? PLAYING WITH THE BROKEN HAND NOT TELLING ANYONE IMMEDIATELY! MAN I HATE HIM!!!!
Thank God Bobby has an all-around solid team with no Norton’s or Bennett’s or Blaine “Freaking” Boyer’s. He is still not forgiven from game 3 of the season. Those types of players literally takes weeks off of your life watching them “perform at high-levels”.
What are you looking for this season, assuming he gets the starting job?
January 10th, 20106:22 pm
Why in Tarnation did you watch the Jim Rome Show
just like me and BSPN, my life is much better since I refuse to watch it
I think it was painful to see Franceour play the way he did last season and the Braves were waiting for him to get out of his funk, especially since he supposedly “fixed” his swing.
January 10th, 20106:23 pm
But I actually want the Saints to win!
I guess im warmming up to Milky, great glove. better numbers than anderson and frenchy. I just love Diaz. I know Bobby just throws him everywhere. love to see the guy hitting 3rd. where your best hitter is usually hitting. Like the song goes. your gonna miss me when im gone… hm ; 600 abs 25 homers 129 rbi 330 avg. why are we looking for an of. with this in mind, LOve U Bobby but its past time to retire.
Well thanks to Frank Wren and his “we’re getting that big RH power bat” quotes, he has put Heyward under the pressure. They got Glaus but what if he goes down early?? It’s ALL on Heyward, literally. Hopefully Glaus will stay healthy and take some pressure off.
I think at this point anything less than 20 HR’s and a .275 avg over a full season for JH will be a dissapointment. I think they should wait to bring him up like Hanson unless LF is a complete disaster.
January 10th, 20106:25 pm
Chuck James was Solid until the 6th!!!………….Jeff Francoeur had already shown that he couldnt hit for power anymore. His 2009 first half with the Braves was just a continuation of his horrific 2008 season. I had seen enough by the end of May.
As far as KJ, I could see continuing to give him a chance to work out his struggles at the Major League level IF we didnt struggle to score runs (for instance, the Phillies could afford to give Jimmy Rollins a chance to work through his early struggles last year because their lineup is full of bashers). However the Braves didnt have that luxury. That is what Bobby Cox should have recognized, yet refused to because of his loyalty to his guys.
January 10th, 20106:29 pm
This has the feel of the first round of the NCAA Tournament where the #16 seed is challenging the #1 seed. You figure that the #1 seed’s depth will eventually get them the win, but there is such joy in seeing all of these walk-ons going toe to toe with future NBA players.
I wasn’t saying that we’d be the highest scoring team in the league, I simply believe that when you add in stolen bases with high average base hitters, then it is going to turn into more runs. We didn’t have much power last year. You don’t think more stolen bases would have turned into more runs?
nolie , thanks. diddnnt realize he struck out that much.
January 10th, 20106:30 pm
I want the braves to be more aggressive on the basepaths as well…! It seems like our offense does a lot better when we put pressure on opposing pitchers and catchers by being aggressive on the basepaths as opposed to sitting and waiting on the 3-run homer AKA “Bobby-Ball”
I think at this point anything less than 20 HR’s and a .275 avg over a full season for JH will be a disapointment. Chuck James
so if he doesn’t hit as good or better than Chipper did as a rookie we are gonna be disappointed in him?
Steve from OH
January 10th, 20106:31 pm
I simply believe that when you add in stolen bases with high average base hitters, then it is going to turn into more runs. We didn’t have much power last year. You don’t think more stolen bases would have turned into more runs?
Not if your % is low. If that happens, you’re giving up runs in the long-term, despite the illusion of scoring more runs because your gross SB total is higher. I’m all for stealing more bases, but not at the cost of more outs.
January 10th, 20106:32 pm
Gone Viral -
Having the walk-ons on the court performing well does add to the appeal of rooting for these underdogs. Which, isn’t spiteful. I agree that I think KU will eventually win, but it is exciting to watch since ya never know.
15Homers and 70RBI’s would work well for me out of Milky Cabrera
but my gut tells me that he hits 8-10 homers and drives in 45-55 RBI’s… especially in a platoon role
gotcha, rob. Figured as much, but wasn’t quite sure. I’m not sure I’ll pull for in Vikes-Cowboys. Saints would seek revenge against Dallas for breakup up the undefeated season earlier- and Vikings scare me as Peterson could break out at any given moment.
January 10th, 20106:33 pm
Are you into Sabermetrics?
nolie , thanks. diddnnt realize he struck out that much ESCOBAR
don’t pay too much attention to that post , I was just kidding around some. I do think there is little chance that he will get anywhere near 20 homers in the Ted which is a tougher park for hitters than the NYY one. I’m not really a fan, but he can be valuable if used the right way. Gives them good OF versatility.
Melky strikes out, but he’s still a young hitter. He has time to grow yet.
I smellllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll a possible upset here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 10th, 20106:34 pm
UT has had answer all evening so far…. up four in the final TV timeout.
Ok cab, I’ll cheer for the Cards but my heart will be with the Saints next week. I don’t know how the jinx will work with that.
UT/Kansas game is gooooood.
January 10th, 20106:35 pm
I am. I have trouble keeping up with it anymore, but I do buy into the basic premise of it all, especially when (like in the case of stolen bases) they back it up with empirical evidence.
January 10th, 20106:37 pm
Lentz, I agree that Cox probably lost us several games last year by sticking with certain players too long (don’t forget about Schafer). But Wren gave him a flawed roster. We had too many lefties, too little speed, and little power from traditionally power positions. If people stay healthy (especially Glaus), the line-up should be more balanced this season. But they still haven’t appropriately addressed the outfield power situation. The most HRs we can expect from Melky, McLouth, or Diaz is around 20. Maybe Heyward will save the day and make an immediate impact. We shall see…
You said it right there. Other teams have that luxury, Atlanta doesn’t. However, Cox manages like they do sometimes…. Guess he still has that 14 straight consecutive division title mind frame….
Maybe if someone offends him, he’ll leave….
January 10th, 20106:38 pm
WHAT A CATCH
January 10th, 20106:39 pm
Just because Wren has put the pressure on him. I mean if he came up and hit .250 with 11 HR’s and 50 RBI in 350 AB’s would you be satisfied? Basically when Wren signed Glaus and talked about Heyward during the Glaus press conference he was saying in essense, “We went cheap and took this risk because a kid named Heyward.”
UT is starting to make me believe they’ll hang on.
You don’t think more stolen bases would have turned into more runs? joe r
not necessarily Joe. For best effect stolen bases need to be highly successful and this teams lacks the real speed overall that would maximize the production.
In a few instances it most likely would have added a run here and there, but conversely in a few instances it would likely have prevented some runs that actually were scored because the runner got thrown out stealing.
A stolen base does not guarantee that a player will score, but a thrown out stealing does guarantee that a runner will not score. That’s why it is generally agreed that a team needs to be successful at least 70-75% of the time for it to be a positive tactic over an entire season.
Tom Waits wears Redwing boots
January 10th, 20106:40 pm
Someone ban that guy….-
You’re really becomming similarly annoying.
January 10th, 20106:42 pm
I don’t know if this has been posted, but fangraph’s Braves top 10 is here:
It would help Prince (from UT) with he free throws if he wasn’t 3 feet off-center.
January 10th, 20106:43 pm
I don’t think Heyward will feel the pressure. When asked of his goals for the 2009 season during Spring Training, he said his goal was a September callup. He expects to be here. He will be fine.
The player I am concerned about is McLouth. I was very disappointed in his play. Maybe he is not as good as I expected
One Game that Bobby Cost us was Big Red’s (Hanson) 1 hitter in Houston late in the season, He took Hanson out, even though he was only at about 95 pitches and Put in Sorry-ano and he blew the game in the 9th and we lost 2-1 on a Miguel Tejada walk-off single…
I wanted to go and kick the TV after that loss
January 10th, 20106:44 pm
January 10th, 2010
If he can get the job out of ST and gets 500 ABs I would guess 18 – 20 hr 75 – 80 rbi and hit .280 with an OPS OF .820.
January 10th, 20106:45 pm
Fred…………..The thing that people forget is that Frank Wren couldnt rebuild the whole team after the 2008 season. He rebuilt the starting pitching first. When it became apparent that Schafer wasnt the immediate answer in center, he fleeced the Pirates in the McLouth trade.
Sure, it was a flawed roster from an offense standpoint. However Bobby could have turned to Diaz and Prado MUCH SOONER and benched Francoeur and Kelly. Also, Greg Norton, what a freaking joke. A manager’s job is to get maximum production out of his roster (which Bobby obviously didnt do last season).
I know what you are saying, and of course we all hope he prospers immediately on being called up. However, no I won’t be disappointed in him if he struggles, but it will likely hurt the team for this season. So I guess I would be some disappointed for the team’s sake, but not in him IYKWIM.
January 10th, 20106:46 pm
Rob in Pain…
Where do you think Nate-Dawg Hits this year?
I’d rather see him hit 6th or 7th, therefore we’d have some speed at the bottom of the order…And I’d be open to having Prado or Milky leadoff
January 10th, 20106:47 pm
Chuck James was Solid until the 6th!!!
Who would you have signed to play over Heyward? Xavier Nady? Holliday and Bay were not worth the money. Heyward is the right man for the job. Bat him 7th at the beginning of the season. I am much more concerned with Chipper, Glaus and McLouth
Tomahawkin…….how about every game that Bobby sent in Greg Norton to pinch hit in? Couldnt you consider that “blowing the game right there”?
January 10th, 20106:48 pm
KU making it interesting….
First off, I love Prado in the 2 hole because of his inside out swing and power. This also allows Escobar to hit in a RBI position.
I would leave McLouth at leadoff because of his speed. However if Schafer is ready by midseason I would trade McLouth. I am not sold on him at all.
Tomahawkin, Unfortunately, I remember that game well. For whatever reason, Cox really doesn’t like his starting pitchers going 9 innings. JJ was interviewed on braves.com and he said he has yet to pitch a complete game. That is unbelieveable considering how well JJ has pitched.
don’t know if this has been posted, but fangraph’s Braves top 10 is here: Steve
thanx Steve. That’s a lot of low level prospects to be in the top 10. You know what they say…TINSTAAPP
January 10th, 20106:50 pm
Boy was that a lucky shot
Talk about a desperations three….a prayer getting answered….. WOW!
Basically when Wren signed Glaus and talked about Heyward during the Glaus press conference he was saying in essense, “We went cheap and took this risk because a kid named Heyward.” Chuck James
Wren probably doesn’t like when people put words in his mouth or misquote him. Just got word he’s sending Tim Hudson over to “discuss” this issue with you.
You listen to Taylor Swift?
January 10th, 20106:51 pm
nolie–eh, the more the merrier, I always say. Between Teheran, Delgado, Vizcaino, Spruill and Hoover I feel like we’ll get at least one, possibly two of them to Atlanta. I also think Minor will definitely see big league time (just don’t know how good he’ll be when he gets here).
I am also very excited about Christian Bethancourt. Really think the kid has a bright future.
Well….and now there are only 2 unbeatens. Top 4 ranking on Monday should be….
1. Texas, 2. UK, 3. KU, 4. Syracuse
January 10th, 20106:52 pm
Just for comparison Griffey hit 22 and drove in 80 as a second year 20 year old. His power numbers did not explode until he turned 23.
Rob in Pain
Nobody. I would not have brought him up at the Glaus press conference to cover my ass though, if I were Frank Wren. That’s my only point there…
how about every game that Bobby sent in Greg Norton to pinch hit in? Couldnt you consider that “blowing the game right there”? PL
LOl, not really. since PHers fail 70% of the time no matter who they are.It would take 3 to 4 appearances b4 you can say with surety that he blew a game
It seems that we have an overcrowded pen, even though you can never have enough arms for the pen.
Its Official Tennessee is a basketball school now!!!! Good ole Rocky Top Wheeeeewww!!!!!
Sorry DOB. Great game by Tenn.
January 10th, 20106:53 pm
what is wrong with Taylor Swift?
joerochester–I take it you’re not into the saber stuff?
Upsets galore this weekend. Still more to go too….#19 and #22 on the ropes.
Kansas coach to DOB: Please don’t come to our games anymore. (Just messin’ with ya)
January 10th, 20106:54 pm
So you don’t think that is what Wren was essentially saying???
GB should on-side kick everytime
nolie……….well Norton increased the failure rate from an average of 70% to 85%.
January 10th, 20106:55 pm
Tomahawkin and Lentz, The one guy I wish we had kept on the roster last year was Blanco (as opposed to Norton). Is he a great hitter? No. But he’s a better hitter than Norton, especially considering that Blanco could get bunt base hits. Blanco also contributed as a pinch-runner and late inning defensive replacement, which was important last year given G. Anderson’s poor defensive skills. Also, PL, good point about using Prado, Diaz, etc. as in-house personnel to replace KJ and Francouer. I was in Chicago for those games and scratched my head at Francouer in RF.
January 10th, 20106:56 pm
Warner is the man under pressure….
January 10th, 20106:57 pm
I hope DOB enjoyed the atmosphere at the game today enough to get past the disappointment of Kansas walking into a buzzsaw today. There is no explanation for what just happened. It’s the exact reason why the NCAA Tournament is the best sports event on the calednar.
January 10th, 20106:58 pm
The reason why Nate-Dawg’s stats were in flated was because he used to hit in the 3 hole on a garbage Pirates team…
Now that he’ s in a better lineup he is reduced to the leadoff off 6th/7th sluts, plus he will be hard pressed to steal 15 bases with Bobby’s reluctance to use the running game…
I like Prado at leadoff or #2 becuse he’s a good hitter and has a decent OBP, he does whatever it takes to win games, In other words he is a poor-mans Placido Polanco
Chuck James: Not trying to be a smarta**, but I don’t like to assume anything. I like dealing with facts and reality, not assumptions and fiction.
January 10th, 20106:59 pm
Today’s game is another reason why home court advantage in college basketball has so much more of an effect on the game in the regular season than the NBA (which I detest).
GoneViral: Update me on the Vols game. I’ve been watching the NFL playoffs and Maryland as an alternate. I’m assuming UT won, right?
I did not like Gregor Blanco at all. He struck out to much as a lead off hitter. Plus other than getting an occassional infield hit he was an automatic out…
January 10th, 20107:00 pm
Fred. I was sickened when Greg Norton was activated from the DL in Colorado right before the All-Star Break. I agree that Blanco would have been much more useful than freaking Norton.
Another thing that sickened me was Bobby benching Diaz despite Diaz being in a 13 for 24 stretch so his boy Francoeur could “get some at-bats”. Then in the 7th inning of the first game in Chicago, Bobby brings in Diaz to pinch bunt instead of using on of the pitchers to bunt.
Again, talk about having the “anti-Midas Touch”.
Besides, I don’t think Wren mentioning his name will put any additional pressure on the young man than is already there. He’s on practically EVERY top prospect list in America. You think he’s not already aware that people are expecting great things from him?
January 10th, 20107:01 pm
The final is UT 76, Kansas 68 in the flukiest fluke of flukes. Have I mentioned Bruce Pearl can coach?
January 10th, 20107:02 pm
It’s OK. I think it can be somewhat overvalued sometimes. Baseball is a game of risk and strategy.
Going down this weekend…. #1, #4, #5, #8, #10, #14, and #16. Another reason college basketball is so exciting. Ya just never know.
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