Grinch! Long time no read! Nice to see you around.
Your 8:39 makes too much sense. I agree that somebody or bodies will be gone before they hit Disney. Too many overlapping parts as is currently constituted.
Rodney: Absolutely I’ve seen Elegy. Ms. Cruz is typically stunning it it. We’re gonna see Nine in next week or two, got her and a bunch of other beauties in that one.
It is,what it is, but I sure don’t think if FW had come out at the end of September and said “the way we’ re going to better our offense next season is we are going to get Johnny and Melky and Troy,. and that ought to about do it”, that we would have had a bunch of happy campers on here, especially when we were hoping for bigger and better things…I for one never thought we would get Bay or Holiday, but Glaus and Damon? Oh well, I guess in the real world you can’t always marry Miss.America. Not saying we won’t win 90 games and maybe get to the WC. I had just hoped for a little more glitter.
Bry22 (January 4th, 2010 9:01 pm): “DOB- That line up would not produce 80 wins!!! As numerous sports show have said, the worst moves this off season have been made by Frank Wren and the Atlanta Braves!!”
Numerous? Name three, if you can. Got any links?
Larry (January 4th, 2010 8:22 pm): “I’m a big fan of genuine courage, genuine confidence and unabashed chivalry”
Marko @ 7:50: Pet Peeve:
When people list out a starting lineup, as if it is the lineup card that Bobby Cox will hand to the umpire before the game.
Why do you list a lineup on this blog??
Because I wanted to. If you don’t want to see a lineup listed, scroll past it. There are alot of moving parts this time of year. It’s kind of useful at times to see how the pieces fit, or don’t fit as the case may be, into the puzzle. If that bothers you, I offer no apology. Get over it.
Lentz, McCann/Escobar/Prado/JJ/Hanson/Heyward/McLouth/Schafer/Kimbrel make up a nice YOUNG core of good to great players & prospects that should be around for years to come. What’s the problem with signing a few vets to fill in for a year or two? It takes big money and big time prospects to sign or trade young star players in their prime. You make it sound like that’s Wren intentions to sign guys that he knows will need surgery or won’t perform.
Was thinking about switching to Firefox browser. I have heard nothing but positives on the software. Any objective negatives? Do you have to have one of their toolbars with a load of junk on it present?
Lentz, another thing to think about regarding this Braves team right now is when a mid-market team goes through a transition like the Braves have been the last few years trying to find which prospects coming up will be their next big thing when all that’s come out of it lately is McCann, it makes things a little more complicated, I would think. Blame the scouts for us not having more McCann’s on the team right now or attendance, not the GM trying to fit the pieces together with a crummy budget. When the Yankees,Mets or Red Sox go through a dry spell in their systems these days they just buy the entire FA market until the rest are choosing between the left overs.
Wayne, I just saw your story about the bag coming off the conveyor belt in tatters. Dude, that was hilarious. I could picture it and your dropped-jaw reaction. Well done.
RHR (January 4th, 2010 9:25 pm): “Oh crap. I forgot. I’m blacklisted for sure now.”
I dunno — I, for one, melted.
Steve from OH (January 4th, 2010 9:27 pm): “What is the exact definition of “internet rutting” anyway? I must be sure to use it in the correct context, lest I be labelled and idiot…”
The proper term is “on-line rutting” — its meaning is straightforward.
-In a Braves game back in the 80s against the Mets at Shea, the cameras showed a horde of fans coming off the subway beyond the outfield fences, Skip quipped: “I wonder how many of them still have their wallets.”
-Bases loaded….. no outs….. they have the Braves just where they want them
-Ryan Langerhans has his own cheering section, it’s two guys dressed up like hands. I wonder what would be the costume if Kelly Johnson had his own cheering section.
Andrew in pa… why dont we just sign dye and vladdy,and let them platoon left/right you want Wren to take on 2 garret andersons in the outfield? what a great idea!
Wayne, I had to keep some of your stuff; no hard feelings. Your family has good taste in presents. BTW, been using Firefox about three years now exclusively. WAY better than IE.
This team is going to be excellent. The Phillies aren’t invincible, the Mets still can’t pitch and have a loser mentality, the Marlins aren’t better than we are (especially if we get Uggla) and the Nats are still the Nats.
We’ve got possibly the best rotation in the NL, a solid bullpen, a pissed off Chipper, McCann with fixed eyes, Glaus, who is capable of hitting 40 and has much to prove, Heyward coming up, and let us not forget that we were a hot hitting team anyway last year after we cut the dead weight.
No more KJ, no more Francine, no more Schaeffer, Norton, etc.
This team will win 90-94 games as constructed. Add another hitter and I think we’ve got a good shot at the East.
The reality of the situation is that of all remaining free agent “sluggers”, Holliday is the only one really worth pining over and he is, sadly, not coming to Atlanta. Who would be a good fit for the Braves to go after via trade?
jeffrey d, good stuff. I will give you one that I’ll always remember:|
I think they were playing a day game on the West coast. The bottom of the inning was just coming back from a commercial break. A TBS cameraman was following a well-endowed, scantily-clad young lady as she returned to her seat. As she bent over to put down her beverage, Skip said, “as we start the bottom of the 4th, I see there are almost two out”.
I’ve seen it all now. TCU is kicking off from their 45 yard line (due to a personal foul by Boise State). The kicker kicks the ball to the back of the end zone………and the kick returner tries to run it out despite being 8 yards deep in the end zone AND TCU only having to cover a short field.
Dude gets tackled at the 5 yard line. Unreal, lol.
That lineup would not scare any good times, IMO. Chipper is old and injury prone; Dye, should the Braves get him, is old and yet another Braves stopgap pickup–a one or two-year contact with the hope of getting lightning in a bottle-but it doesn’t happen; same with Glaus–coming off surgery and effectively didn’t play at all last year. He’s going to be asked to play first–at which he has very little experience, which means he’ll be a defensive liability. No way is he an upgrade of LaRoche–no way. Even best case Glaus would probably need 50 games to find his groove at the plate–if he still has a groove. McLouth? Been a pretty average player since the Braves got him. The Braves, with their payroll limitations, have gotten kind of pathetic–lots of moves every year that do nothing in the end but trade one makeshift, mediocre lineup for another.
Eric In Albany N.Y………..You might want to give Andrew in PA some slack. He’s still recovering from the BYTCH SLAPPING that my Dallas Cowboys put on his Eagles yesterday.
Here’s a STONE COLD LEAD PIPE LOCK for the Super Bowl: Dallas vs. San Diego.
and make it known that Diaz should be considered to bat leadoff and if we acquire Damon he should bat second. You’re right that I am probably wasting my time. You know why? It’s because Bobby Cox is one of the worst managers when it comes to making a lineup. Andy
you want Diaz to lead od with his lousy3.4 PPAB and little speed and you claim Cox is terrible at making out lineups? That’s funny.
DOB
This is the first blog I have read of yours where my reaction is: Are you crazy!!?? Depending on Damon, Chipper, Glaus, Cabrera is like betting on a horse with 110-1 odds, it ain’t gonna make it. How many innings are you penciling in for each of these guys. If is over a 1500 each then put us in the playoffs, but that is a long shot. It is more likely that each on average will play less than 60% of the innings and it is a season so bad that Bobby won’t want to leave on it. This is a keep Bobby for one more year lineup, if that is your objective then I agree with the strategy.
Agreed. Attendance continues to dwindle because the Braves have the most predictable manager in baseball, and one who an easy argument could be made is the worst postseason manager in MLB history. Some say that his 1-14 record (including his one chance in the postseason in Toronto) in the last game or series of the postseason is not really a true statistic. I disagree! Certainly we hear one’s record as a pitcher or manager for the opening game of the year, right?
I believe, given the great players afforded Cox by the GM, scouting department, and player development so many years from 1991 to recently, that ending the season 14 out of 15 opportunities by watching their opponent celebrate on the pitcher’s mound is overwhelming and convincing evidence of the worst in-game, strategic, and situational manager in history.
That’s why people don’t want to attend the games, leave early, and don;t even buy playoff tickets is the most boring, predictable and least effective big game, must win manager in baseball. Anyone can fill out a lineup card, mine their nostrils and bark out silly little nicknames to grown men!
This is more than an opinion, this is why after 20 years as a season ticket holder in what is now called the “Hank Aaron section” I will not renew my tickets this season. It’s not the money…it is because I can’t stay awake throughout the game watching the Bobby Cox brand of baseball!
But ask me again in half an hour — I may be thinking completely differently by then, you know. You know, like Braveheart, with all his backtracking and flip-flopping on the issue.
Actually I’ve been a big Frank Wren supporter. I know that he (not the Braves) is handcuffed by payroll restraints.
Frank Wren is doing a marvelous job. He’s building a foundation that was ok last year, could be pretty good in 2010, but will definitely be solid for years to come.
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seriously, how many times do we have to see this same post??? QUIT THIS CRAP
i’m absolutely on board with damon in left, that is as long as he is required to sport the long hair and beard from the boston days. otherwise i’d rather have dye.
Greg Norton is waiting for teams rosters to shapen up before he chosen a team to be courted by. He doesn’t want to be stuck on a rebuilding team.
Chances are, he’ll end up in KC or retire.
The thing I don’t like about putting these two unbeatens from smaller conferences against each other is that we STILL will wonder if they’d be able to compete with the big boys. I think they probably would, but we’ll never know. Oh BCS….
armchair (January 4th, 2010 9:58 pm): “That lineup would not scare any good times, IMO. Chipper is old and injury prone”
And yet Jones played in more Braves games last year than any other player — more games than he had played in since 2003 — and had more plate appearances than any other Brave except Escobar.
I think I’ll just skip the rest of your hysteric little screed — your credibility is already critically wounded and probably would not survive further examination.
So, I just read “your comment is awaiting moderation.”
Moderator (or DOB) not that I’ll lose any sleep over being banned from your sports blog, but please have the courage to use this privilege with proper discretion, the wisdom to not clip the wings of your readers and most popular, interesting and wisest participants, and the integrity to understand that I never use vulgarity, only clinical terms that can easily be found in your cheapest of dictionaries for anyone and any age to read.
Plus, if you ban me, I’ll add my millions to dogsbreath’s billions and buy you and fire the person who banned me!
Trying to get out on the ‘ol Braves MIB blog more often as a new year’s resolution. We’ll see how that goes.
Really pleased to hear that Skip is a finalist for the Ford Frick Award, which will be announced February 1st. Nothing would please this denizen more to see him join the likes of Mel Allen, Red Barber, Vin Scully, Jack Brickhouse, Ernie Harwell, Jack Buck, Lindsey Nelson and his father Harry in this honor.
I hated to see Javier Vazquez go, however I would have said the same thing had Derek Lowe had been traded. Should Cabrera hang around and not be packaged in a trade elsewhere, and the Braves add another OF’er to the mix in the stead of Johnny D or Nady, it does give the brain trust some options this spring. My gut feeling is that Jordan Schafer will need more time in Gwinnett to start the year after garnering 38 plate appearances in 9 games after his return from his wrist injury.
Really ready to get this cold weather out of here and get some Grapefruit league action going down at Dark Star, gang.
What is it about “Vlad Guerrero’s knees are shot and he only played a handful of games in the OF last year” that is hard to understand. The guy is a PH in the NL, best suited to DH.
Dense is so clueless he can’t even tell when folks are being sarcastic, not to mention mad still because certain players messed up his fantasy baseball team.
Ok, realize I’m late to the party, and haven’t read the 4 pages of comments, but the thought of the braves spending $14-16MM on Damon just made me puke in my mouth. I know I’m no “stats geek” (and I say that with respect), but there has got to be better ways to spend that kind of money!!!!!
Braveheart (January 4th, 2010 10:03 pm): ” ‘But ask me again in half an hour — I may be thinking completely differently by then, you know. You know, like Braveheart, with all his backtracking and flip-flopping on the issue.’
“Random, you really are kung fu silly”
You used to think different:
Braveheart (July 5th, 2009 10:46 pm): “Lamar, I agree somewhat on what y0u said about how it doesn’t make sense to keep Kawakami solely for fear of offending the Asian market. However, it certainly doesn’t hurt to have an Asian presence to create alternative revenue streams.
“Also, I don’t know what the numbers or percentages are, but I’ve seen a lot of Asian folks at the Ted this year donning Kawakami 11 tees, including quite a few who seem to be tourists or right off the boat. Every little bit helps for a team trying to keep up with revenue generation.”
Braveheart (July 6th, 2009 12:55 am): Random, just agreeing with your point that getting into other markets like China helps marketability and the generation of revenue. Not arguing with you whatsoever.”
Braveheart (October 16th, 2009 2:26 pm): “That is also a fair point DOB and Random raise too in whether or not trading Kawakami would hurt them in the relationships they had established in Japan. Reminds me of college football and basketball where if you recruit a kid out of a certain school, area or AAU program, you’d better not screw the kid over if you hope to go back to that school, area, or AAU program to recruit another kid.”
. . . . . . .
Yep, now that’s what I would call backtracking and flip-flopping, to get from your previous positions to your current positions on the issue.
glorydays-”DOB, This is the first blog I have read of yours where my reaction is: Are you crazy!!?? Depending on Damon, Chipper, Glaus, Cabrera is like betting on a horse with 110-1 odds, it ain’t gonna make it. How many innings are you penciling in for each of these guys. If is over a 1500 each then put us in the playoffs, but that is a long shot. It is more likely that each on average will play less than 60% of the innings and it is a season so bad that Bobby won’t want to leave on it. This is a keep Bobby for one more year lineup, if that is your objective then I agree with the strategy.”
1500 innings? Jesus man, you’ve got high standards. Figuring an average of 9 innings per game that comes out to 166.6 games. Since they only play 162 game I think you may be aiming a little too high. Unless you anticipate a hell of a lot of extra inning games.
Don’t post often but lurk a lot. Been reading on Cardinals blogs and have seen several bloggers of the opinion that Ludwick will be traded if/when Holliday is signed. I know we had interest last year and he would be ideal for left. (believe he played right last year). Had some injury problems last year and still had 22 homers and 97 rbi’s. I’m not sure what Cards need but I think they are looking for relievers. Maybe Wren has been in contact and waiting for Holliday to sign, Strictly speculation on my part.
Wayne in Utah………keep toeing the company line and stay loyal to bums like Kelly Johnson, Jeff Francoeur, Buddy Carlyle, and Greg Norton.
At least you can say you was right about Peter Moylan. He did pitch well in the second half (after his meltdown in the San Francisco game after the All-Star Break)
I want to see the Braves play the best players on the roster. I dont want to see so-called fan favorites or Bobby’s boys being giving welfare playing time at the expense of others who are more deserving because of they can perform better.
My loyalty lies with who can produce and help us win……not with sappy feel good stories (like Buddy and his blood sugar ordeal…….or Greg Norton and his tragic childhood) who have ERAs approaching 6 and batting averages under .150.
P. W. Hjort………I guess that I must once again be more specific: When I said “free agents”, I guess that I should have said “free agents from other teams”.
Perhaps when I said that the only free agents that we can attract are either off the scrapyard, operating table, or past their prime players……..I kind of figured that it would be interpreted as “free agents from other teams”…..not our own free agents that we re-sign.
I forgot to include in my 10:33pm posting, “free agents from other teams who are willing to take less money because they have always wanted to play for Bobby Cox…….are off the scrapyard, operating table, or past their prime players”.
brvs1fan-”Don’t post often but lurk a lot. Been reading on Cardinals blogs and have seen several bloggers of the opinion that Ludwick will be traded if/when Holliday is signed. I know we had interest last year and he would be ideal for left. (believe he played right last year). Had some injury problems last year and still had 22 homers and 97 rbi’s. I’m not sure what Cards need but I think they are looking for relievers. Maybe Wren has been in contact and waiting for Holliday to sign, Strictly speculation on my part.”
Dude strikes out too much for my taste, but probably a better option than any of the remaining free agents (Holliday excluded, of course).
Lentz…..You and I both know the Cowboys could easily lose this week. Stop putting the cart before the horse. You honestly believe they are going to beat Philly, NO, and Minnesota?? Not happening.
It never ends with you. You are quick to get on me for calling others names, yet you find it convenient to call me names.
Real classy
You’ve made fun of Buddy Carlyle’s diabetis. You’ve trivialized Mitchie-san and his military service to the United States. You make fun of other bloggers by giving them gay names (IE “jeffrey d’s nutz”). And you want to talk about classy?
unbelievable………..why would the Angels trade Juan Rivera for Derek Lowe? They’ve already lost Vlade and Figgons. Yet many on here were passionately posting why the Angels would make that trade.
You shouldnt be surprised at some of the off the wall trade proposals that many on here agree would be good.
Every time free agents are mentioned as possible Braves signees, they always say how much they’d love to play for Bobby Cox.
If a manager didn’t yell at you, didn’t rip you in the media and didn’t mind if you were overweight, why wouldn’t you love to play for him?
It would be a little more enlightening if Damon said something like this:
“No way I’m playing for that dinosaur. Anyone who has his .300-hitting No. 2 batter in the lineup bunt in the first inning is not my idea of a 21st century manager. Especially one who has rules about facial hair.”
Given the dwindling number of potential starting OFs, it’s still a much better bet that Damon will be back with the Yankees next year, as opposed to being in a Braves’ uni.
Yankees waiting to sign Pujols next season – seems likely if they’re going to sign Holliday for 100$Mil, maybe Braves need to wait a season and save more money to sign Pujols.
Wayne in Utah…..are you able to comprehend? I said that I’ve been civil about not calling anyone names lately. What I said about Buddy (primarily directed at his performance on the field) was during the season. I havent called Buddy any names lately.
My point is that you wont let up with the name calling. Yet you belittle my lack of “faith” in a higher power. Does your higher power condone name calling? Or is that something that you conveniently leave off the buffet?
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Voice from the past... (VOR)
January 4th, 2010
9:18 pm
Grinch! Long time no read! Nice to see you around.
Your 8:39 makes too much sense. I agree that somebody or bodies will be gone before they hit Disney. Too many overlapping parts as is currently constituted.
.P.a.u.l .L.e.n.t.z
January 4th, 2010
9:23 pm
Any word on what Greg Norton’s contract demands are?
TnBrian
January 4th, 2010
9:24 pm
DOB, got any comment on the Bret Hart return to WWE? I know you’re bust watching it right now, but when it’s over get back to me.
.P.a.u.l .L.e.n.t.z
January 4th, 2010
9:24 pm
Or on blog favorite Buddy “lifetime ERA of almost 6″ Carlyle?
The Grinch
January 4th, 2010
9:25 pm
Floridaseminoles, I’m not sure. But we never saw McClouth coming; I suspect it’ll be someone we haven’t even considered. Wren’s cool like that.
RHR
January 4th, 2010
9:25 pm
I thought we talked about this, RHR. No rutting between the hours of 12:36am and 11:59pm…
Oh crap. I forgot. I’m blacklisted for sure now.
.P.a.u.l .L.e.n.t.z
January 4th, 2010
9:27 pm
TnBrian……..after the wrestling talk last week, I decided to watch some TNA for the first time. It was pretty lame.
TNA has taken the Braves approach to free agency: signing over the hill, past their prime, aging former stars.
Steve from OH
January 4th, 2010
9:27 pm
What is the exact definition of “internet rutting” anyway? I must be sure to use it in the correct context, lest I be labelled and idiot…
David O'Brien
January 4th, 2010
9:29 pm
Rodney: Absolutely I’ve seen Elegy. Ms. Cruz is typically stunning it it. We’re gonna see Nine in next week or two, got her and a bunch of other beauties in that one.
monty
January 4th, 2010
9:30 pm
It is,what it is, but I sure don’t think if FW had come out at the end of September and said “the way we’ re going to better our offense next season is we are going to get Johnny and Melky and Troy,. and that ought to about do it”, that we would have had a bunch of happy campers on here, especially when we were hoping for bigger and better things…I for one never thought we would get Bay or Holiday, but Glaus and Damon? Oh well, I guess in the real world you can’t always marry Miss.America. Not saying we won’t win 90 games and maybe get to the WC. I had just hoped for a little more glitter.
Random
January 4th, 2010
9:30 pm
Bry22 (January 4th, 2010 9:01 pm): “DOB- That line up would not produce 80 wins!!! As numerous sports show have said, the worst moves this off season have been made by Frank Wren and the Atlanta Braves!!”
Numerous? Name three, if you can. Got any links?
Larry (January 4th, 2010 8:22 pm): “I’m a big fan of genuine courage, genuine confidence and unabashed chivalry”
Those who can, do.
Those who don’t, I guess they’re “fans”.
I take it you’re speaking vicariously?
Voice from the past... (VOR)
January 4th, 2010
9:31 pm
Marko @ 7:50: Pet Peeve:
When people list out a starting lineup, as if it is the lineup card that Bobby Cox will hand to the umpire before the game.
Why do you list a lineup on this blog??
Because I wanted to. If you don’t want to see a lineup listed, scroll past it. There are alot of moving parts this time of year. It’s kind of useful at times to see how the pieces fit, or don’t fit as the case may be, into the puzzle. If that bothers you, I offer no apology. Get over it.
TnBrian
January 4th, 2010
9:31 pm
Lentz, McCann/Escobar/Prado/JJ/Hanson/Heyward/McLouth/Schafer/Kimbrel make up a nice YOUNG core of good to great players & prospects that should be around for years to come. What’s the problem with signing a few vets to fill in for a year or two? It takes big money and big time prospects to sign or trade young star players in their prime. You make it sound like that’s Wren intentions to sign guys that he knows will need surgery or won’t perform.
Wayne in Utah
January 4th, 2010
9:35 pm
Was thinking about switching to Firefox browser. I have heard nothing but positives on the software. Any objective negatives? Do you have to have one of their toolbars with a load of junk on it present?
Random
Touche!
ncscoots
January 4th, 2010
9:36 pm
but Glaus and Damon? Oh well, I guess in the real world you can’t always marry Miss.America
Yeah, but, you ought to be able to at least take her out to dinner once, no, LOL? I don’t believe the Braves have advanced quite that far yet.
Wayne in Utah
January 4th, 2010
9:37 pm
I like Damon better with a 1 year with options contract. Give him a plate appearance clause that would kick in a second year.
I really like the idea of banking on our farm to build our core team.
How ya been Grinch? Didya give back Christmas yet?
Rob in pain from (SC)
January 4th, 2010
9:37 pm
Enter your comments here
Rob in pain from (SC)
January 4th, 2010
9:38 pm
did TNA sign every old WWF star?
And Roodge Owns
January 4th, 2010
9:38 pm
“How impactful a hitter is Damon at this point in his career, some of you ask? (And we’re glad you asked, since it helps with transitions.)” -DOB
I laughed twice at this.
TnBrian
January 4th, 2010
9:39 pm
Lentz, another thing to think about regarding this Braves team right now is when a mid-market team goes through a transition like the Braves have been the last few years trying to find which prospects coming up will be their next big thing when all that’s come out of it lately is McCann, it makes things a little more complicated, I would think. Blame the scouts for us not having more McCann’s on the team right now or attendance, not the GM trying to fit the pieces together with a crummy budget. When the Yankees,Mets or Red Sox go through a dry spell in their systems these days they just buy the entire FA market until the rest are choosing between the left overs.
David O'Brien
January 4th, 2010
9:39 pm
Wayne, I just saw your story about the bag coming off the conveyor belt in tatters. Dude, that was hilarious. I could picture it and your dropped-jaw reaction. Well done.
Random
January 4th, 2010
9:41 pm
RHR (January 4th, 2010 9:25 pm): “Oh crap. I forgot. I’m blacklisted for sure now.”
I dunno — I, for one, melted.
Steve from OH (January 4th, 2010 9:27 pm): “What is the exact definition of “internet rutting” anyway? I must be sure to use it in the correct context, lest I be labelled and idiot…”
The proper term is “on-line rutting” — its meaning is straightforward.
(Geezum, Will — your and idiot.)
TnBrian
January 4th, 2010
9:41 pm
“Blame the scouts for us not having more McCann’s on the team right now or attendance” Yours Truely
Lord have mercy. Of course attendance has nothing to do with bad scouting. Silly me.
Wayne in Utah
January 4th, 2010
9:44 pm
DOB
Yeah, it is funny as heck now, but then……
Well, you will laugh about this Whistler situation years from now.
Andrew in PA
January 4th, 2010
9:45 pm
why dont we just sign dye and vladdy,and let them platoon left/right
jeffrey d
January 4th, 2010
9:46 pm
Found the Skip quotes I had
-In a Braves game back in the 80s against the Mets at Shea, the cameras showed a horde of fans coming off the subway beyond the outfield fences, Skip quipped: “I wonder how many of them still have their wallets.”
-Bases loaded….. no outs….. they have the Braves just where they want them
-Ryan Langerhans has his own cheering section, it’s two guys dressed up like hands. I wonder what would be the costume if Kelly Johnson had his own cheering section.
Eric In Albany N.Y.
January 4th, 2010
9:48 pm
Andrew in pa… why dont we just sign dye and vladdy,and let them platoon left/right you want Wren to take on 2 garret andersons in the outfield? what a great idea!
The Grinch
January 4th, 2010
9:49 pm
Wayne, I had to keep some of your stuff; no hard feelings. Your family has good taste in presents. BTW, been using Firefox about three years now exclusively. WAY better than IE.
This team is going to be excellent. The Phillies aren’t invincible, the Mets still can’t pitch and have a loser mentality, the Marlins aren’t better than we are (especially if we get Uggla) and the Nats are still the Nats.
We’ve got possibly the best rotation in the NL, a solid bullpen, a pissed off Chipper, McCann with fixed eyes, Glaus, who is capable of hitting 40 and has much to prove, Heyward coming up, and let us not forget that we were a hot hitting team anyway last year after we cut the dead weight.
No more KJ, no more Francine, no more Schaeffer, Norton, etc.
This team will win 90-94 games as constructed. Add another hitter and I think we’ve got a good shot at the East.
jeffrey d
January 4th, 2010
9:50 pm
I think it’s a bit unfair to compare Vlad to Garret.
.P.a.u.l .L.e.n.t.z
January 4th, 2010
9:52 pm
Finally, TCU scores.
keylargo
January 4th, 2010
9:52 pm
Enter your comments here
Salty Dawg
January 4th, 2010
9:52 pm
The reality of the situation is that of all remaining free agent “sluggers”, Holliday is the only one really worth pining over and he is, sadly, not coming to Atlanta. Who would be a good fit for the Braves to go after via trade?
Tom O'Hawke
January 4th, 2010
9:52 pm
jeffrey d, good stuff. I will give you one that I’ll always remember:|
I think they were playing a day game on the West coast. The bottom of the inning was just coming back from a commercial break. A TBS cameraman was following a well-endowed, scantily-clad young lady as she returned to her seat. As she bent over to put down her beverage, Skip said, “as we start the bottom of the 4th, I see there are almost two out”.
.P.a.u.l .L.e.n.t.z
January 4th, 2010
9:53 pm
I’ve seen it all now. TCU is kicking off from their 45 yard line (due to a personal foul by Boise State). The kicker kicks the ball to the back of the end zone………and the kick returner tries to run it out despite being 8 yards deep in the end zone AND TCU only having to cover a short field.
Dude gets tackled at the 5 yard line. Unreal, lol.
Wayne stuck in AL
January 4th, 2010
9:54 pm
Damon is OK; provided you like outfielders with no power and rag arms…wait–didn’t we have one of those last year in Garret Anderson?
.P.a.u.l .L.e.n.t.z
January 4th, 2010
9:57 pm
TnBrian………….Actually I’ve been a big Frank Wren supporter. I know that he (not the Braves) is handcuffed by payroll restraints.
I’m still waiting for an update on what Greg Norton’s and Buddy Carlyle’s demands are.
armchair
January 4th, 2010
9:58 pm
That lineup would not scare any good times, IMO. Chipper is old and injury prone; Dye, should the Braves get him, is old and yet another Braves stopgap pickup–a one or two-year contact with the hope of getting lightning in a bottle-but it doesn’t happen; same with Glaus–coming off surgery and effectively didn’t play at all last year. He’s going to be asked to play first–at which he has very little experience, which means he’ll be a defensive liability. No way is he an upgrade of LaRoche–no way. Even best case Glaus would probably need 50 games to find his groove at the plate–if he still has a groove. McLouth? Been a pretty average player since the Braves got him. The Braves, with their payroll limitations, have gotten kind of pathetic–lots of moves every year that do nothing in the end but trade one makeshift, mediocre lineup for another.
Shelley Duncan signs with the Indians
January 4th, 2010
9:59 pm
[...] Here’s an Atlanta report wondering if Johnny Damon might end up with the Braves. David O’Brien writes that Damon is asking [...]
.P.a.u.l .L.e.n.t.z
January 4th, 2010
10:00 pm
Eric In Albany N.Y………..You might want to give Andrew in PA some slack. He’s still recovering from the BYTCH SLAPPING that my Dallas Cowboys put on his Eagles yesterday.
Here’s a STONE COLD LEAD PIPE LOCK for the Super Bowl: Dallas vs. San Diego.
jeffrey d
January 4th, 2010
10:01 pm
“as we start the bottom of the 4th, I see there are almost two out”.
haha! Oh man, I miss that guy. Sad that I was only old enough to appreciate him for his final few years.
NotAgain
January 4th, 2010
10:01 pm
and make it known that Diaz should be considered to bat leadoff and if we acquire Damon he should bat second. You’re right that I am probably wasting my time. You know why? It’s because Bobby Cox is one of the worst managers when it comes to making a lineup. Andy
you want Diaz to lead od with his lousy3.4 PPAB and little speed and you claim Cox is terrible at making out lineups? That’s funny.
glorydays
January 4th, 2010
10:01 pm
DOB
This is the first blog I have read of yours where my reaction is: Are you crazy!!?? Depending on Damon, Chipper, Glaus, Cabrera is like betting on a horse with 110-1 odds, it ain’t gonna make it. How many innings are you penciling in for each of these guys. If is over a 1500 each then put us in the playoffs, but that is a long shot. It is more likely that each on average will play less than 60% of the innings and it is a season so bad that Bobby won’t want to leave on it. This is a keep Bobby for one more year lineup, if that is your objective then I agree with the strategy.
Larry
January 4th, 2010
10:02 pm
TnBrain,
Agreed. Attendance continues to dwindle because the Braves have the most predictable manager in baseball, and one who an easy argument could be made is the worst postseason manager in MLB history. Some say that his 1-14 record (including his one chance in the postseason in Toronto) in the last game or series of the postseason is not really a true statistic. I disagree! Certainly we hear one’s record as a pitcher or manager for the opening game of the year, right?
I believe, given the great players afforded Cox by the GM, scouting department, and player development so many years from 1991 to recently, that ending the season 14 out of 15 opportunities by watching their opponent celebrate on the pitcher’s mound is overwhelming and convincing evidence of the worst in-game, strategic, and situational manager in history.
That’s why people don’t want to attend the games, leave early, and don;t even buy playoff tickets is the most boring, predictable and least effective big game, must win manager in baseball. Anyone can fill out a lineup card, mine their nostrils and bark out silly little nicknames to grown men!
This is more than an opinion, this is why after 20 years as a season ticket holder in what is now called the “Hank Aaron section” I will not renew my tickets this season. It’s not the money…it is because I can’t stay awake throughout the game watching the Bobby Cox brand of baseball!
Tom O'Hawke
January 4th, 2010
10:02 pm
Damon is OK; provided you like outfielders with no power and rag arms…wait–didn’t we have one of those last year in Garret Anderson?
Wayne in Utah, as a Braves’ fan living in NY, I saw a lot of Damon. IMO, Anderson has a cannon, compared to Damon.
.P.a.u.l .L.e.n.t.z
January 4th, 2010
10:03 pm
Boise State is going to regret not putting more points on the board in the first half. They should be up by more than a 10-7 score.
I expect TCU to come out and take control of the game in the second half. TCU is too explosive to hold down.
Braveheart
January 4th, 2010
10:03 pm
But ask me again in half an hour — I may be thinking completely differently by then, you know. You know, like Braveheart, with all his backtracking and flip-flopping on the issue.
Random, you really are kung fu silly.
Grinch, nice to see you back
Prado Fan
January 4th, 2010
10:03 pm
Sign a second baseman and put Prado in Right field until Heyward is ready OR until an injury occurs in early summer.
jeffrey d
January 4th, 2010
10:03 pm
Actually I’ve been a big Frank Wren supporter. I know that he (not the Braves) is handcuffed by payroll restraints.
Frank Wren is doing a marvelous job. He’s building a foundation that was ok last year, could be pretty good in 2010, but will definitely be solid for years to come.
Soph
January 4th, 2010
10:03 pm
Haaaa, that girl in the Boise State band looked so thrilled beating that thing. Her reaction was priceless.
unbelievable
January 4th, 2010
10:04 pm
“Shelley Duncan signs with the Indians
January 4th, 2010
9:59 pm
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seriously, how many times do we have to see this same post??? QUIT THIS CRAP
lexbrave
January 4th, 2010
10:04 pm
i’m absolutely on board with damon in left, that is as long as he is required to sport the long hair and beard from the boston days. otherwise i’d rather have dye.
Marko
January 4th, 2010
10:05 pm
Greg Norton is waiting for teams rosters to shapen up before he chosen a team to be courted by. He doesn’t want to be stuck on a rebuilding team.
Chances are, he’ll end up in KC or retire.
Voice from the past... (VOR)
January 4th, 2010
10:06 pm
I’m still waiting for an update on what Greg Norton’s and Buddy Carlyle’s demands are.
Not sure about Norty, but Buddy wants a translator since he signed with the Nippon Ham Fighters back in November…
jeffrey d
January 4th, 2010
10:07 pm
The thing I don’t like about putting these two unbeatens from smaller conferences against each other is that we STILL will wonder if they’d be able to compete with the big boys. I think they probably would, but we’ll never know. Oh BCS….
Tom O'Hawke
January 4th, 2010
10:07 pm
Sad that I was only old enough to appreciate him for his final few years.
Yeah, man, you can imagine what you missed. I’m not real old, but my father was a Braves’ fan. I started watching the Braves when I was 7.
Random
January 4th, 2010
10:11 pm
armchair (January 4th, 2010 9:58 pm): “That lineup would not scare any good times, IMO. Chipper is old and injury prone”
And yet Jones played in more Braves games last year than any other player — more games than he had played in since 2003 — and had more plate appearances than any other Brave except Escobar.
I think I’ll just skip the rest of your hysteric little screed — your credibility is already critically wounded and probably would not survive further examination.
Andrew in PA
January 4th, 2010
10:12 pm
Paul Lentz,yeah but if my Eagles win the only game that matter between the teams this year then you’ll be the bitter one
Larry
January 4th, 2010
10:13 pm
So, I just read “your comment is awaiting moderation.”
Moderator (or DOB) not that I’ll lose any sleep over being banned from your sports blog, but please have the courage to use this privilege with proper discretion, the wisdom to not clip the wings of your readers and most popular, interesting and wisest participants, and the integrity to understand that I never use vulgarity, only clinical terms that can easily be found in your cheapest of dictionaries for anyone and any age to read.
Plus, if you ban me, I’ll add my millions to dogsbreath’s billions and buy you and fire the person who banned me!
Chris from the Rock
January 4th, 2010
10:15 pm
I never get tired of the Norton jokes…
Greg in TN
January 4th, 2010
10:16 pm
Top ‘o the new year folks…
Trying to get out on the ‘ol Braves MIB blog more often as a new year’s resolution. We’ll see how that goes.
Really pleased to hear that Skip is a finalist for the Ford Frick Award, which will be announced February 1st. Nothing would please this denizen more to see him join the likes of Mel Allen, Red Barber, Vin Scully, Jack Brickhouse, Ernie Harwell, Jack Buck, Lindsey Nelson and his father Harry in this honor.
I hated to see Javier Vazquez go, however I would have said the same thing had Derek Lowe had been traded. Should Cabrera hang around and not be packaged in a trade elsewhere, and the Braves add another OF’er to the mix in the stead of Johnny D or Nady, it does give the brain trust some options this spring. My gut feeling is that Jordan Schafer will need more time in Gwinnett to start the year after garnering 38 plate appearances in 9 games after his return from his wrist injury.
Really ready to get this cold weather out of here and get some Grapefruit league action going down at Dark Star, gang.
Wayne in Utah
January 4th, 2010
10:17 pm
What is it about “Vlad Guerrero’s knees are shot and he only played a handful of games in the OF last year” that is hard to understand. The guy is a PH in the NL, best suited to DH.
P-Town Brave
January 4th, 2010
10:18 pm
Hey guys…watchin both shows…been flippin channels so fast my thumbs are about to fall off and my head about to explode…
So far I am scoring it TNA 3 WWE 2 and the big shocker of the night so far is Jeff Hardy to TNA!
.P.a.u.l .L.e.n.t.z
January 4th, 2010
10:18 pm
Marko………Greg Norton is finished. Dude looked pathetic last year. His inability to hit the ball cost us a number of games last year.
Any team that signs him would be a fool.
Chris from the Rock
January 4th, 2010
10:18 pm
I’ve been trying to make up my own Norton joke, but his .145 batting average is funnier than anything I could come up with.
Wayne in Utah
January 4th, 2010
10:18 pm
Tom O’
That was another Wayne earlier (Wayne in AL).
Is that Alabama or American League?
Wayne in Utah
January 4th, 2010
10:20 pm
Dense is so clueless he can’t even tell when folks are being sarcastic, not to mention mad still because certain players messed up his fantasy baseball team.
Poor baby!
SHOCKED and confused
January 4th, 2010
10:21 pm
Ok, realize I’m late to the party, and haven’t read the 4 pages of comments, but the thought of the braves spending $14-16MM on Damon just made me puke in my mouth. I know I’m no “stats geek” (and I say that with respect), but there has got to be better ways to spend that kind of money!!!!!
Fury
January 4th, 2010
10:21 pm
Damon, HELL NO
gosh darn it what in the world is going on here?
Dagnabit if we sign pretty boy with the dish rag arm I not
going to a darsh gone game
Voice from the past... (VOR)
January 4th, 2010
10:23 pm
What is Japanese for YOU SUCK
Well, that’d be 大嫌い
Glad I could help…
Hank44
January 4th, 2010
10:23 pm
Braves need Nady – not sold on Damon – we already have a waaay older team.
Tom O'Hawke
January 4th, 2010
10:24 pm
“Tom O’
That was another Wayne earlier (Wayne in AL).”
Wayne in Utah, you’re right. Sorry about that. It was a “Wayne stuck in AL”. I guess I’ll read a little more thoroughly from now on.
Eric In Albany N.Y.
January 4th, 2010
10:25 pm
im 100% with hank44 there is no point in adding offence if its damon nady is my guy keep the youth
Chris from the Rock
January 4th, 2010
10:26 pm
Has anyone heard anything about Chuck James trying to come back this year?
Random
January 4th, 2010
10:26 pm
Braveheart (January 4th, 2010 10:03 pm): ” ‘But ask me again in half an hour — I may be thinking completely differently by then, you know. You know, like Braveheart, with all his backtracking and flip-flopping on the issue.’
“Random, you really are kung fu silly”
You used to think different:
Braveheart (July 5th, 2009 10:46 pm): “Lamar, I agree somewhat on what y0u said about how it doesn’t make sense to keep Kawakami solely for fear of offending the Asian market. However, it certainly doesn’t hurt to have an Asian presence to create alternative revenue streams.
“Also, I don’t know what the numbers or percentages are, but I’ve seen a lot of Asian folks at the Ted this year donning Kawakami 11 tees, including quite a few who seem to be tourists or right off the boat. Every little bit helps for a team trying to keep up with revenue generation.”
Braveheart (July 6th, 2009 12:55 am): Random, just agreeing with your point that getting into other markets like China helps marketability and the generation of revenue. Not arguing with you whatsoever.”
Braveheart (October 16th, 2009 2:26 pm): “That is also a fair point DOB and Random raise too in whether or not trading Kawakami would hurt them in the relationships they had established in Japan. Reminds me of college football and basketball where if you recruit a kid out of a certain school, area or AAU program, you’d better not screw the kid over if you hope to go back to that school, area, or AAU program to recruit another kid.”
. . . . . . .
Yep, now that’s what I would call backtracking and flip-flopping, to get from your previous positions to your current positions on the issue.
Wouldn’t you?
P. W. Hjort
January 4th, 2010
10:26 pm
PL,
You say you don’t see any super-star free agents taking less money to sign with the Braves?
What does that make Tim Hudson or Chipper Jones?
And if you’re thinking bigger super stars than that, do they ever take less money to sign with ANY team?
Salty Dawg
January 4th, 2010
10:28 pm
glorydays-”DOB, This is the first blog I have read of yours where my reaction is: Are you crazy!!?? Depending on Damon, Chipper, Glaus, Cabrera is like betting on a horse with 110-1 odds, it ain’t gonna make it. How many innings are you penciling in for each of these guys. If is over a 1500 each then put us in the playoffs, but that is a long shot. It is more likely that each on average will play less than 60% of the innings and it is a season so bad that Bobby won’t want to leave on it. This is a keep Bobby for one more year lineup, if that is your objective then I agree with the strategy.”
1500 innings? Jesus man, you’ve got high standards. Figuring an average of 9 innings per game that comes out to 166.6 games. Since they only play 162 game I think you may be aiming a little too high. Unless you anticipate a hell of a lot of extra inning games.
brvs1fan
January 4th, 2010
10:29 pm
Don’t post often but lurk a lot. Been reading on Cardinals blogs and have seen several bloggers of the opinion that Ludwick will be traded if/when Holliday is signed. I know we had interest last year and he would be ideal for left. (believe he played right last year). Had some injury problems last year and still had 22 homers and 97 rbi’s. I’m not sure what Cards need but I think they are looking for relievers. Maybe Wren has been in contact and waiting for Holliday to sign, Strictly speculation on my part.
.P.a.u.l .L.e.n.t.z
January 4th, 2010
10:29 pm
Wayne in Utah………keep toeing the company line and stay loyal to bums like Kelly Johnson, Jeff Francoeur, Buddy Carlyle, and Greg Norton.
At least you can say you was right about Peter Moylan. He did pitch well in the second half (after his meltdown in the San Francisco game after the All-Star Break)
I want to see the Braves play the best players on the roster. I dont want to see so-called fan favorites or Bobby’s boys being giving welfare playing time at the expense of others who are more deserving because of they can perform better.
My loyalty lies with who can produce and help us win……not with sappy feel good stories (like Buddy and his blood sugar ordeal…….or Greg Norton and his tragic childhood) who have ERAs approaching 6 and batting averages under .150.
RC
January 4th, 2010
10:29 pm
DOB, just saw Nine this past week. If you are a fan of Ms. Cruz, you will be VERY pleased with a particular musical number she performs. I mean….DAMN!
(Also a great performance by Daniel Day-Lewis, who has established himself as one of the best actors of his generation.)
.P.a.u.l .L.e.n.t.z
January 4th, 2010
10:33 pm
P. W. Hjort………I guess that I must once again be more specific: When I said “free agents”, I guess that I should have said “free agents from other teams”.
Perhaps when I said that the only free agents that we can attract are either off the scrapyard, operating table, or past their prime players……..I kind of figured that it would be interpreted as “free agents from other teams”…..not our own free agents that we re-sign.
How wrong I was.
.P.a.u.l .L.e.n.t.z
January 4th, 2010
10:35 pm
I forgot to include in my 10:33pm posting, “free agents from other teams who are willing to take less money because they have always wanted to play for Bobby Cox…….are off the scrapyard, operating table, or past their prime players”.
18 Wheels of Love
January 4th, 2010
10:35 pm
Melky and JoJo for Ludwick? I’d do it.
Salty Dawg
January 4th, 2010
10:37 pm
brvs1fan-”Don’t post often but lurk a lot. Been reading on Cardinals blogs and have seen several bloggers of the opinion that Ludwick will be traded if/when Holliday is signed. I know we had interest last year and he would be ideal for left. (believe he played right last year). Had some injury problems last year and still had 22 homers and 97 rbi’s. I’m not sure what Cards need but I think they are looking for relievers. Maybe Wren has been in contact and waiting for Holliday to sign, Strictly speculation on my part.”
Dude strikes out too much for my taste, but probably a better option than any of the remaining free agents (Holliday excluded, of course).
.P.a.u.l .L.e.n.t.z
January 4th, 2010
10:37 pm
Wayne in Utah…….I have been civil and not calling anyone names. Yet you continue with the “dense” crap.
It never ends with you. You are quick to get on me for calling others names, yet you find it convenient to call me names.
Real classy.
jeffrey d
January 4th, 2010
10:40 pm
I’ve been trying to make up my own Norton joke, but his .145 batting average is funnier than anything I could come up with.
And the fact that his hit at the end of the season brought up his average about 12 points
TnBrian
January 4th, 2010
10:41 pm
Next year they should just have a list of the top FA and choose between which of the three teams they end up with…. Yanks/RedSox/Mets.
unbelievable
January 4th, 2010
10:41 pm
why would the Cards trade Ludwick? They’ve already lost Dero and Ankiel from last years team.
Wayne in Utah
January 4th, 2010
10:42 pm
So, it is OK to call Buddy Carlyle names, but it is not to call you “Dense”, which is funny, because it has a basis in fact???
Does not compute! Danger Will Robinson! Danger! Danger!
(poor baby, if you weren’t such and obnoxious jerk, I would leave you alone, but you are such an EASY frickin’ mark, it is hard to resist sometimes!)
njbraves
January 4th, 2010
10:43 pm
Lentz…..You and I both know the Cowboys could easily lose this week. Stop putting the cart before the horse. You honestly believe they are going to beat Philly, NO, and Minnesota?? Not happening.
jeffrey d
January 4th, 2010
10:43 pm
It never ends with you. You are quick to get on me for calling others names, yet you find it convenient to call me names.
Real classy
You’ve made fun of Buddy Carlyle’s diabetis. You’ve trivialized Mitchie-san and his military service to the United States. You make fun of other bloggers by giving them gay names (IE “jeffrey d’s nutz”). And you want to talk about classy?
unbelievable
January 4th, 2010
10:44 pm
Greg Norton OBP with the Braves in 2009 = .330
Jeff Francoeur OBP with Atl in 2009 = .282
Im just glad OBP% mean nothing, they just dont put that crap on the scoreboards
Soph
January 4th, 2010
10:45 pm
He really called you that? Where was I?
.P.a.u.l .L.e.n.t.z
January 4th, 2010
10:45 pm
unbelievable………..why would the Angels trade Juan Rivera for Derek Lowe? They’ve already lost Vlade and Figgons. Yet many on here were passionately posting why the Angels would make that trade.
You shouldnt be surprised at some of the off the wall trade proposals that many on here agree would be good.
mr baseball
January 4th, 2010
10:46 pm
Every time free agents are mentioned as possible Braves signees, they always say how much they’d love to play for Bobby Cox.
If a manager didn’t yell at you, didn’t rip you in the media and didn’t mind if you were overweight, why wouldn’t you love to play for him?
It would be a little more enlightening if Damon said something like this:
“No way I’m playing for that dinosaur. Anyone who has his .300-hitting No. 2 batter in the lineup bunt in the first inning is not my idea of a 21st century manager. Especially one who has rules about facial hair.”
Given the dwindling number of potential starting OFs, it’s still a much better bet that Damon will be back with the Yankees next year, as opposed to being in a Braves’ uni.
Roman Gal
January 4th, 2010
10:46 pm
I’m blacklisted for sure now. RHR
There’ll be a probationary period where nothing but Random-butt-kissing will be acceptable.
Martin
January 4th, 2010
10:46 pm
DOB….u watchin TNA wrestling tonight? this night is historic and epic for wrestling entertainment
Hank44
January 4th, 2010
10:47 pm
Yankees waiting to sign Pujols next season – seems likely if they’re going to sign Holliday for 100$Mil, maybe Braves need to wait a season and save more money to sign Pujols.
jeffrey d
January 4th, 2010
10:48 pm
He really called you that? Where was I?
It was during his latest meltdown which caused him to have to use periods in his name.
.P.a.u.l .L.e.n.t.z
January 4th, 2010
10:49 pm
Wayne in Utah…..are you able to comprehend? I said that I’ve been civil about not calling anyone names lately. What I said about Buddy (primarily directed at his performance on the field) was during the season. I havent called Buddy any names lately.
My point is that you wont let up with the name calling. Yet you belittle my lack of “faith” in a higher power. Does your higher power condone name calling? Or is that something that you conveniently leave off the buffet?
Roman Gal
January 4th, 2010
10:49 pm
What is the exact definition of “internet rutting” anyway? Steve from OH
I’m not sure we can talk about it without committing the act itself.