5:16 pm January 4, 2010, by David O'Brien
January 5th, 20107:42 pm
Got me Topher. Let me crawl into my hole now…..
Wayne in Utah
Just for you Topher!
“That’s where your problem lies. Why do we need to close the gap on the Phillies in the standings? How many times did the wild card team trounce us in the divisional round the last couple times we made the post season? Or in 97 when the Marlins couldn’t catch us in the standings but they could beat us head to head and did so in the NLCS?
We went 10-8 against the Phillies last year. You think they would have wanted to play us come October had we got there?”
Considering that the Phillies finished the season beating us 7 out of the last 10 times, I’m going to say they wouldn’t cared too much.
And sorry but going into a season shooting for the WC is BS in my view. And besides, with the Rockies, improved Mets, Marlins, Cubs, Brewers, Giants/Dodgers, it’s going to be just as tough to secure a WC spot.
Also, I don’t see how the Braves continuously joking in the playoffs have to do with anything.
January 5th, 20107:43 pm
Topher- IQ ?
The Braves continuously *choking* in the playoffs is what I meant.
The A Bomb
Wayne — Just north of L.A.
I just hope the Vazquez deal works out with this prospect.
Just get the sense that no one took a deep breath before pulling the trigger.
There are still a LOT of players out there in this economy. I think the powers-that-be could have reconvened in their secret headquarters for an afternoon, gone over some serious strategy based on there not being a market for Derek Lowe.
Vazquez was a HUGE chip. Gave the Yankees a chance not to have to worry about their ‘pen as much as they did before.
We got a good deal. Would’ve like to have seen it be a great deal. Even as part of a larger package.
January 5th, 20107:44 pm
Plus, guys like McCann and McLouth are making a couple million $ more than they did in 2009
January 5th, 20107:45 pm
Is the ajc planning on doing those know your braves skits again this year…?
Those skit were cool and They should do a show like that for every player on the roster for those games that are delayed by rain…
Time to bump some old Lenny Kravitz, Beavis and Butthead got me onto that…
Love you guys… You’re so special.
January 5th, 20107:46 pm
heyward better be the real deal otherwise its another year of hoping the pitching staff throws a shutout every night.
January 5th, 20107:47 pm
Huge Tech Game Tonight!
I’m putting my money on Tech beating the Crap out of Iowa 34-17…
Hey, I am frustrated too. But man, you gotta stand somewhere dontcha?
January 5th, 20107:48 pm
So, anyway… I have an IQ of 24, short, fat, and ugly… with a bald head and bottle cap glasses… oh yeah, I like suspenders, too.
Let’s go Iowa!
January 5th, 20107:49 pm
let me add that it was especially encouraging to see the braves trade their best starter from last season to free up salary so they could be happy with the lineup as it is. real encouraging.
oh yeah, I like suspenders, too
Well who doesn’t??
I sure do stand somewhere Wayne… I love the Braves! And I want what’s best for the team as much as all of you guys…
Hey I do to. Best part of the deal? It prevents Wren from giving Vazquez an extension this offseason which would be a mistake before we see how he does this year.
One final thought on this 2010 Braves team. If healthy we have no glaring weaknesses which is more than Mets, Marlins, and Nationals can say. Our offense will be more consistent and the pitching will be awesome as usual. I know we’re a team of IFs, but if these IFs go our way we’ll be a competitor for the division and a serious competitor for the WC. I think I’m done reading all these complaints so I’m out friendos.
January 5th, 20107:50 pm
Tomahawkin and Beavis and Butthead- it just kind of flows off the tongue.
January 5th, 20107:51 pm
But I get on here and voice my opinion… and everybody’s like ‘hey, you’re an idiot’. So, it’s just funny b/c most of you feel the same way I do. I just posted what I felt…. isn’t that what blogging’s all about?
January 5th, 20107:52 pm
well political theater in the usa is like what the japanese call kabuki
2 perceived opposite sides perpetuating a singular plan
Right now, education of the market and trading is priority number 1. I know what you mean about it being “fun”….I meant interesting in that I am fascinated by it and the possibilities that it gives you. I will be following your blog…reading some stuff in other places…and I probably would get on IB too.
Kelly Johnson did not perform and was released. Wren way overpaid for Lowe (4yr $60M) then complains that his hands are tied by big contract money. Why is he not under the same standards and get canned for his bad performance.
January 5th, 20107:55 pm
Most folks were giving you crap because of your “boo” post that screwed up that page…….and maybe because you just seemed to be ranting on and on. (though I don’t have the inclination to go back and verify that for sure)
Yeah, you have just as much right as anybody (except for maybe some extreme right wingers…..just a joke folks) to blog.
I said it the other day… I’m characteristically always optimistic about the moves the Braves make. I think Wren has done a good job as a hole, but to come out and say they have no money left to make a move to bring in more offense is not jiving… when we have poured over the money and the figures and the contracts over and over again from many different angles and still come up with 85-90MM which leaves enough for another bat, right???? Well, DOB has shared about pro-rated portions and the like, but I just feel that’s all a little shady… Anyway, opinion voiced… I’ll leave you guys to your blog. Sorry for bothering anyone…. oh, and sorry N8 for telling you to shut up.
January 5th, 20107:57 pm
“Kelly Johnson did not perform and was released. Wren way overpaid for Lowe (4yr $60M) then complains that his hands are tied by big contract money. Why is he not under the same standards and get canned for his bad performance.”
Um… Because Kelly was owed nothing and Lowe is owed $45M more dollars. Plus the fact that Lowe won 15 games on a down year. Come on man compare apples to apples not apples to stupid.
January 5th, 20107:58 pm
Why is he not under the same standards and get canned for his bad performance
Because he improved the team by 14 wins, built one of the Majors’ best starting rotations, and is building a strong foundation for the future of the team.
But no, he got milked in the Vazquez trade (people were saying the same thing a year ago), paid too much for a needed reliable starter, and regularly runs over dogs on his way to the ballpark.
January 5th, 20107:59 pm
DOB – Did Bobby get cold during the press conference and ask to borrow your leather jacket? I hope that’s what happened.
I would have to respectfully disagree. I see an incredible difference in motive and goals. Though I have stated that I am not a member of either party at this time. I am not a R or a D, but a staunch C. (trying to keep from getting anybody on here riled up)
January 5th, 20108:01 pm
Well, DOB has shared about pro-rated portions and the like, but I just feel that’s all a little shady
How is that shady? “Shady” is saying Wren is taking $10 million from payroll and making miscellaneous purchases. You have to take into account incentives, clauses, raises from 2009, etc.
January 5th, 20108:02 pm
They are probably holding back some $$ for a possible mid season addition. Also, could it be that maybe there might be another move or two to make.
Let’s not get too down, it’s January 5th.
So it appears that….
1) PAYROLL WAS CUT. I was saying that from the minute Glaus was signed. Many of you were saying “$5 million left.” “$7 million left.” “$9 million left.” We could have signed Glaus BEFORE trading Vazquez. You don’t clear $11.5 million to take on around $6 million. And as the attendance keeper criticizing crowds of 15K during a pennant race, ladies and gentlemen, there are your results for being a “regional team” in a city of five million. Oh, and by the way, even though I’m a critic of Atlanta fans for not coming out, I will be attending 3 games with my son in June for his high school graduation present. That’s right, 3,000-mile flight. I’m not regional.
2) COX WAS KEPT CEREMONIALLY TO SELL TICKETS (I GUESS). Guy deserves it, but if you’re going to go for it, GO FOR IT! We’re now saying at age 69 that this guy has to do the managing job of his life to somehow overtake the two-time NL defending champions. Good luck. Just don’t replace him with Lentz’s suggestion, the finest manager in the Eastern Hemisphere, Bobby Valentine.
Now, back to my BBQ. It’s getting chilly out here, around 70. Brrrrrrrr!
January 5th, 20108:03 pm
I am not a R or a D, but a staunch C. (trying to keep from getting anybody on here riled up)
Reindeer, Doctor, and Cowboy?
How’s that list coming?
January 5th, 20108:05 pm
Got the new Freedy Johnston album today … standout track: Livin’ Too Close To The Rio Grande
January 5th, 20108:06 pm
Wayne, he got kind of quiet after woah.
Yeah I found all my old Beavis and Butthead videos over the Holidays so I’d rather watch the old Days of MTV before it became the TCN channel it is now
TCN means “The Crap Network!”
January 5th, 20108:08 pm
Remember Josh Anderson? Just saw that Reds signed him to a minor-league contract.
Rumor Has It
Wayne, you really don’t get it, do you?
You went off on a teabagging comment instead of addressing the entire subject of the post I directed at you. I’m not surprised, it’s a tactic used by your kind over and over again.
I said the political comments that you repeatedly make are bound to draw a response from some who disagree with your political views. My point was that virtually everyone has political views but that most don’t share those views here per the directive of no political discussion. You seem over and over to feel the need to spew your political opinions on this blog even though most people here don’t want to hear them. When you do that you are going to draw a response from someone like myself who just gets tired of listening to blow hards like yourself. If you hollar socialism, I’m gonna hollar teabagger! You’re like old Fido. You can dish it out but you can’t take it! It’s not Waynes fault! The management is against him because they sympathize with the other side! Geez Wayne, grow up and quit whining and being a victim! If you keep your mouth shut about political issues and quit with your little digs about the left, then this debate never even takes place.
The point isn’t that you and I could not be further apart politically, its that if YOU insist on blowing hard about all the crap you blow hard about, someone is going to blow back!
So lets make it simple and summarize:
It’s not about your political views.
It’s not about my political views.
It’s about not feeling compelled to use this forum as a vehicle to explain to the readers that you’re not happy with leadership of our country. Because when you do that, someone who disagrees with you is going to say “enough” and respond with an opposing viewpoint.
January 5th, 20108:09 pm
lol, woah is on there….I’m not gonna be a poor sport, but I don’t think it’s widespread enough. But whatever.
Your and Idiot
January 5th, 20108:11 pm
Remember Josh Anderson?
You mean the greatest center fielder since Willie Mays? Still can’t believe we traded that stud.
January 5th, 20108:12 pm
Shoot…I was hoping you were a staunch cowboy
Rumor Has It: Very well said (8:08 p.m.)
jeffrey d , Dense.
January 5th, 20108:13 pm
We don’t need no more left handed hitters, we already got Freeman and Heyward coming up from the minors soon!!! McCann, McClouth, Shaefer & so on.
January 5th, 20108:14 pm
This shouldn’t offend anyone on here when i say this… ALL politicians are liars. They just love to string along stupid Americans along their journey’s of lies and deception.
I’m thinking we end up signing an IF/PH close to ST to get a big discount. Hey, these are the Atlanta Braves and when we say bargain hunters, DAMMIT, we mean it!
Chris from the Rock
This stinks. Anyway you add it up, it looks like they’re trimming payroll by $5MM or so. Unless Heyward puts up ROY type numbers, the OF just isn’t going to be enough to get it done offensively. While I do think McLouth will certainly improve on his ‘09 numbers, Melky Cabrera is a 4th OF. And Diaz, well he’s great against lefties…
what is a spread option offense
sounds like an options trade ??
January 5th, 20108:16 pm
How ’bout pre-madonna?
(Rally’s honored–I think –to be on your list, BTW.)
January 5th, 20108:18 pm
It’s a run-heavy offense that gives the QB the “option” to either run the ball himself or pitch it to the running back. Coach Paul Johnson instituted that at Tech last year and it’s done wonders for them.
Damn, I just put our 2010 roster together on MLB The Show and even the video games version of this team is boring. Oh well, I’ll switch over to the Yankees or Cardinals team and fill out their roster and have a blast with those teams. I’ll pitch the K machine Vazquez.
January 5th, 20108:19 pm
jeff = ty
trying to learn about the US footy and why they do NOT go for it more on 4th and ONE etc
January 5th, 20108:21 pm
Folks — this is what you get when you don’t go to the park.
If the Braves drew 3 million last year and Liberty did this, FINE: Complain.
When you draw 15K during the week like the Pittsburgh Pirates (who are never in a pennant race), be happy with the roster.
Hopefully by October we’ll be really optimistic because of the young kids.
Braves Lifer (stupid) You missed the point, the point is as a GM he made a bad move in signing Lowe for that amount of money. Wren even admits that was a bad move and tried to move Lowe even offering to pay part of his salary. This was Bad Performance by the GM it has ,jacked up future Brave move by tying up salary. The point is not comparing Johnson’s salary to Lowe’s. It’s about Performance. Use your head.
January 5th, 20108:22 pm
DOB – Did Bobby get cold during the press conference and ask to borrow your leather jacket? I hope that’s what happened. — Jeffrey D
A few of you really seem averse to leather jackets. What, your dads were mean and wore them or something? Jeffrey D, what do you wear around, a cool jacket with “Hollister” or “Gap” across the front? Maybe a cool Braves parka?
TnBrian…are you Tennessee braves fan on the OS forums?
January 5th, 20108:23 pm
Of course, McFann…forgot about that one.
CB – You calling me dense or were you adding one to the list?
Our problems begin and end with TERRY MCGUIRK-CEO. He is the one that has lied all along about what a great deal hooking with Liberty media was. That LM was going to “supply whatever was needed to put a world championship calibre team on the field. “That “we really did not have a solid payroll number but it would not go below $80 million..And that if there was a player or 2 needed and Bobby and Frank want him, then we will provide what was needed. Meanwhile he received a huge bonus and salary increase…no matter what happened…If you read the transcripts at the time the deal was consummated, it really was bonafide bunch of lies. LM wanted us for nothing but a tax writeoff and then McGuirk pushed the Commissioner into thinking this was a wise deal despite the fact LM is NOT a local entity and being local was supposed to be a main criteria.. Quite disturbing how they fooled us all… I have no doubt they cut payroll and do not want to tell us at the beginning of the season because tix sales will plummet even further…
January 5th, 20108:24 pm
It’s down to 69 degrees. No parka.
January 5th, 20108:25 pm
I like to wear an Executive
January 5th, 20108:27 pm
A few of you really seem averse to leather jackets. What, your dads were mean and wore them or something?
Just a joke. The only image we have of you is in a leather jacket, so it’s all we have to go by.
FYI, I usually wear a jacket I got from LL Bean that looks like this guy
So…the Braves are basically done eh? Cabrera can go jump off a bridge. Useless roster spot.
Sounds like we cut payroll to me…that, and are crossing our fingers on TOO MANY guys.
January 5th, 20108:28 pm
Andy K., no, that’s not me.
By the way, for those thinking the Braves are holding back some funds for possible midseason needs, I asked Frank precisely that question after the press conference. Because in my head, I’ve had the approximate $7-8 mill figure as available remaining funds (hadn’t accounted for few things like fairly easily attainable incentives and McLouth’s buyout, etc, stuff they figure into their payroll, as noted a few hours ago).
Anyway when I asked Wren if they might be keeping back $5-7 mill or so to spend later, he looked at me with raised eyebrows, then informed me that estimates he’s seen written about what they have left are innaccurate, that they are getting close to their projected payroll limit, and won’t be making any more big additions.
Rumor Has It (why won’t you use your real screen name, my blogging friend)
Actually, if you could read, you would understand that I did answer your questions. I get it. I was wrong. I shouldn’t have posted my little conversation with my friend, for fear that somebody would get their wittle bitty feelings hurt.
So, I say that if some folks on here didn’t get their panties in a wad when I agree with beekay on the Climate Change subject, then this never happens either. Others do their little left wing jabs. I respond, and it ends. BUT, when I do the same, all hell breaks loose, and then DOB throws gas on it by coming after me in a statement that made him look like one of Obama’s Climate guys. To be honest, it was kinda dying off until that happened.
You lefties gotta always have the last word in things. (of course that was a retort to your continuing to use the offensive term “teabagging”).
I better stop before I say something else that gets everybody all ticked off.
So, you can keep it up if you want, or you can let it die. Or you can just try to get in the last word. Heck, I don’t really care anymore. Like I said earlier, if my viewpoint was given the same latitude as yours, we would never be here. OR, if your viewpoint met with the same consternation as mine, I wouldn’t push this issue.
Problem is, it is so acceptable to bash the right, that nobody notices, except for us conservatives. You don’t even realize it happens. I don’t think DOB does either. He’s been damned silent when I have asked him that question.
What the heck, I should no better than to try to explain to “Rumor Has It” who won’t reveal his/her true identity.
January 5th, 20108:29 pm
Well the reasoning is that you’d probably get the first down, but if you didn’t you’d be setting up the other team with wonderful field position.
beltless trench coat, baby!
January 5th, 20108:30 pm
I dream of the day that the Braves no longer have an albatross on their payroll. I hate to compare Lowe to Hampton, but the salaries do match up, at least for the last few years ATL was on the hook for all of Hampton’s.
“they are getting close to their projected payroll limit, and won’t be making any more big additions”
That’s what giving $60M to a 37 yr pitcher and another $22M to a untested MLB Japanese pitcher will do to ya.
January 5th, 20108:31 pm
“should know better”
Rumor Has It: Please do us a favor and don’t respond to that last one. You’re right — he doesn’t get it. Just let it rest.
January 5th, 20108:32 pm
The Executive…I invented that!
January 5th, 20108:34 pm
I’m a big fleece guy myself…
January 5th, 20108:35 pm
Did anyone else find the Fiesta Bowl coverage last night extremely annoying? It seemed like they went to a shot of the crowd after every play and fans were screaming “we’re number one” each time. That was extremely annoying. And did anyone else see the cheesy Tostistos shot of the camera man eating out of the Tostitos bag?
January 5th, 20108:37 pm
TnBrian, I disagree somewhat on KK. He was solid for the last 4 months of the season. And he should build on that in ‘10.
Actually Dave, you are the one who doesn’t get it. I do this once in a while, because you let all the other shyt slide. You won’t admit it for some reason, pride, ignorance, I don’t know or don’t care….
But you sure showed which “side” you are on today. (I am not the only one who has stated that fact either, so it ain’t just me, I’m just the voice.)
So I am done. Finished. Outta here.
Later Braves fans!
welcome to FOX’s coverage of college football. that’s how they do it.
January 5th, 20108:38 pm
THey didn’t even show the coin toss last night.
No one compares to Hampton. Lowe won 15 games last year and at the very least, gave us some innings.
And less we forget, Kawakami in my opinion had the gutsiest performances of the year by ANY Braves pitchers. I was there the night he beat Kershaw with that 125-pitch performance getting out of a bases loaded jam. Who else did he beat? Santana? Lincecum? Halladay? Now that sucks!
It could be a lot worse considering many of you and your neighbors don’t go to the park. No revenue? No payroll.
January 5th, 20108:40 pm
Why is Wayne in Utah all up in arms?
January 5th, 20108:41 pm
Fox doesn’t care. They know people are going to watch regardlessso they can do whatever the heck they want.
January 5th, 20108:42 pm
brekky I was looking for your email and cant find it anymore…if you still have mine can you shoot me an email?
Schultz kind of mentioned it, but it sounds like there’s a lot more Iowa fans.
January 5th, 20108:43 pm
nvm, found it…and Wayne in Utah, that subject should have been dropped hours ago…that s exactly why there’s no politics on the DOB blog….man like a bunch of five year olds arguing over a kickball in here….
Good deal. Glad you got in the last word. Now, see ya.
January 5th, 20108:45 pm
Agreed Andy K, simple rule. We all have beliefs but DOB has a rule and he has it for a reason. Most of us are adults here, shouldn’t be that hard to follow.
January 5th, 20108:46 pm
we got us some HEAT up in here!!! good thing, too … seems like everybody in the country could use it tonight
Andy K., politics for a lot of people is a VERY touchy subject and that’s all I’ll say about that.
January 5th, 20108:47 pm
LOL at Wayne in Utah
Where is Lentz? Taking the night off?
Not me MZ — 69 degrees, clear, BBQing.
No parka needed.
January 5th, 20108:48 pm
In the words of Dr. Gregory House: “Idiots are fun…no wonder every village wants one.”
A Bomb, where are you?
January 5th, 20108:49 pm
Well, it sounds as if DOB and Mark Bowman are getting the same info – Wren is almost done except for one more minor signing, probably a pinch-hitter/ back-up 1B/OF. Or maybe another back-up middle infielder. Anyway, it looks as if the team is almost set going into Spring Training. Biggest question will probably be — does Heyward win the RF jobf in April or in June?
I appreciate you accepting some of the blame here Dave, but at the end of the day you were either clearly mislead or you vastly overstated your understanding of the Braves’ payroll intentions.
Regardless of how they calculate it, the payroll is going to be substantially lower this year than it was last year. Whether you prorate signing bonuses or not and whether you use average annual value or single season obligations for salary, doesn’t make an impact on the comparisons across years. There weren’t any new signing bonuses given this year (Chipper had a $4 million signing bonus on his last contract) and there aren’t any players making less than their average annual value this year. As it stands right now they should be somewhere between 84 million (no incentives) and 90 million (max incentives including dave ross and omar infante), significantly lower than the ~96 million of last year.
Back to more pressing matters… I see our lineup this way:
1. McLouth, CF
2. Prado, 2B
3. Jones, 3B
4. Glaus, 1B
5. McCann, C
6. Escobar, SS
7. Diaz, LF (Heyward hits here when Melky is in the lineup)
8. Heyward, RF (Melky hits here when he’s in the lineup)
It’s been snowing every day here and its not stopping.
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