Elon Brave: That’s a good question, Uggla vs. Damon. Yes, I do think Damon would help more, in part because Uggla’d be either playing out of position (OF) or force Braves to move Prado. Either option’s not good, in my view….
The Jayhawks had a fairly strong performance today at Temple. Best I’ve seen them so far this season over an entire game. Still capable of playing a lot better, but it was a solid effort against a ranked team on the road.
Dave: Agree Nady is #1 choice as long as he is healthy (or he would not be #1). As for full-time position, having nady would mean that Braves could start season with Nady, McLouth and Diaz from LF to RF. Melky (4th OF; maybe Infante or Mitch Jones would be 5th) could play CF against LHP, if McLouth does not show signs of improving his 2009 Braves BA/OPS against LHP. Heyward could work on whatever he might need to work in AAA. Assume JH ready by mid-June. By ten Braves will surely know who’s rockin’ and who’s not, especially against RH and LH pitching. Chipper and Glaus will need some rest. Leave Nady in LF if he is performing well and let Diaz play 1B. Leave Prado at 2B and let him get more comfortable with position and working with Escobar and Glaus. If Diaz can play 1B, then Braves will really have a lot of flexibility and will be able to rest older players through the season. Let Ross catch against tough LH pitchers – maybe 20-25 games.
Watching the movie Seven right now. Kevin Spacey may just be the best character actor I’ve ever seen. Incredibly believable in these crazy roles he plays.
richbrave- Your 9:38 post is the exact thinking that will beget a 2nd wild card in each league some day imo. The original wc team was to offset the rogue big spender in each league. Now that there are numerous teams in each league spending big $’s the mid level teams will need yet another way to the dance. Selig will bless this on his way out the door in a few years imo.
Temple was aaaaaaaaaaaaaawful today. 5-29 for 3-pt line and 16-64 overall. Let me be very clear that I think that KU is a very, very good team (I think after the top 5, the over-all team-talent really falls off) but today’s clunker from Temple was more about their ineptness than KU’s stellar defense or anything. I figured KU would win anyway, but the Jayhawk-colored glasses have you seeing a better performance from KU than there really was today. I still think KU is a final four team and legitimate contender, but not based on today’s game. Just like today, my cat’s looked absolutely awful even though they won a very intense rivalry game.
Johnny Damon has a .366 on base average the past 6 years.
A lot of his HR’s will probably disappear without the New Yankee Stadium, but if the Braves think they can count on Damon to post a .366 on base average, he’s probably worth signing.
P.W. Hjort – Big difference hitting at the top of an NL lineup as opposed to an AL lineup. Especially when those AL teams are the always loaded Red Sox and Yanks.
Honestly I’d be thrilled if the Braves signed Damon, but if I don’t post my true opinion I’ll miss everyone getting mad at me for my “told you so’s” round about August. {:
nady is the better option… even if he wanted a starting outfield job why wouldnt you make left field the job to win like it has been the last 12-15 yrs with diaz hayward melky and use nasy in right… either way you have a lot of options once the guy gets on the team.. dude i live in ny ive seen damon play enough to know he is way over priced and if escobar or prado have to walk out to grab the ball out of his hand its not worth signing damon to the outfield in turner field… its not exactly the samllest ball park in the majors!
nady is the best option in my view at this point unless you want to take a risk on a trade for ugly…
any day of the week i would take the money and put it on another injured guy like nady and see how we size up against the mets marlins and phills than trade away our depth in the field.
even if it means accept some failure till next yr taking a risk on players that dont work out!
January 2nd, 2010
9:44 pm
richbrave- Your 9:38 post is the exact thinking that will beget a 2nd wild card in each league some day imo. The original wc team was to offset the rogue big spender in each league. Now that there are numerous teams in each league spending big $’s the mid level teams will need yet another way to the dance. Selig will bless this on his way out the door in a few years imo.
Interesting. Hopefully, I’ll be around long enough to see that eventuality.
Damn, just read that Kevin Pearce suffered a “severe, traumatic brain injury” this week while training for the upcoming Olympic qualifying. That really sucks. I think he is only about 21-22 yrs old. Really hope he pulls through.
At the risk of missing something something obvious here, if you add another wild card team in each league, don’t you have 5 playoff teams in each league? How would you schedule that?
AdirondackDave (January 2nd, 2010 10:32 pm EST): At the risk of missing something something obvious here, if you add another wild card team in each league, don’t you have 5 playoff teams in each league? How would you schedule that?
Some twice differential equations would have to be involved.
The ONLY way the Braves compete this year is if they get a slugger that will hit 30+ homers and drives in 100+. It doesnt look like thats going to happen. Signing Damon, Uggla, Nady or whomever just because they have potential or are good in the club house is ridiculous. Braves are already full of “maybes” and “what ifs”. No sense in adding to the list.
Anders (January 2nd, 2010 10:08 pm EST): P.W. Hjort – Big difference hitting at the top of an NL lineup as opposed to an AL lineup. Especially when those AL teams are the always loaded Red Sox and Yanks.
Honestly I’d be thrilled if the Braves signed Damon, but if I don’t post my true opinion I’ll miss everyone getting mad at me for my “told you so’s” round about August. {:
No evidence that’s true. I’m not saying it isn’t true, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s not.
DOB, I’m not sure I understand the relevance of Nady’s desire to play every day in the OF, and not take on a hybrid role… because isn’t an everyday OF job exactly what ATL would have in mind for him?
I mean, certainly part of the appeal is that he can play 1st should Glaus go on the shelf for any length of time. But the plan is to have Glaus at 1B, so there isn’t anything about the way the Braves would plan to use him that would be a deterrent to signing here. Am I missing something?
P.W. Hjort- AL Lineups just go round and round. The NL lineups stop at the station to let the weak 8 hitter and pitcher off. Who would you rather bat in front of? I think it’s pretty well accepted that there’s a big difference going through 8,9,1 & 2 between leagues.
KC- All kidding aside has anyone seen Nady throw since his injury? He’s coming off a second TJ. I don’t believe he played before the end of last year did he?
Anders (January 2nd, 2010 10:42 pm EST): P.W. Hjort- AL Lineups just go round and round. The NL lineups stop at the station to let the weak 8 hitter and pitcher off. Who would you rather bat in front of? I think it’s pretty well accepted that there’s a big difference going through 8,9,1 & 2 between leagues.
It seems intuitive, I guess, but there’s still no evidence that it’s true. I’m not interested in getting into a discussion over whether it’s true or not. I have no idea whether or not it’s true and I’ll leave it at that. Getting into a discussion without sufficient empirical evidence isn’t productive, I don’t think.
BTW, 30 years ago, it was pretty well accepted that batting average was the best way to judge a hitter, victories were the best way to judge a pitcher, and fielding percentage was the best way to judge a fielder.
600 years ago it was well accepted that the world was flat.
3,000 years ago it was well accepted that the sun was a god.
Eventually, things we all accept are sometimes proven wrong. And unless there’s empirical evidence to suggest that something is true, we shouldn’t just accept it because someone said so, no matter how intuitive it seems.
I have to fly Southwest from Jacksonville to Fort Lauderdale on Tuesday afternoon (because I don’t have time to drive to Miami for the Orange Bowl). I’m carrying on at least one bag. Might do two — but I was hoping to have a handful of Mr. Daniels’ finest small bottles with me to take into the game, so that bag might need to get checked.
Given DOB’s horror story of Delta, I is now worried.
Anders, I haven’t seen ANYONE throw this winter. Med records and workouts are scrutinized by any team looking to sign a player coming back from an injury. Rest assured, if the Braves make him an offer, they will have seen him throw.
StingerSplash-”I have to fly Southwest from Jacksonville to Fort Lauderdale on Tuesday afternoon (because I don’t have time to drive to Miami for the Orange Bowl). I’m carrying on at least one bag. Might do two — but I was hoping to have a handful of Mr. Daniels’ finest small bottles with me to take into the game, so that bag might need to get checked.
Given DOB’s horror story of Delta, I is now worried.”
They sell Mr. Daniels’ finest in Ft. Lauderdale, so buy it there. Save the bag space for an ample supply of Kleenex to dab the tears from your eyes on the way home.
Eventually, things we all accept are sometimes proven wrong. And unless there’s empirical evidence to suggest that something is true, we shouldn’t just accept it because someone said so, no matter how intuitive it seems (P.W. Hjort)
You have a point. I mean it wasn’t that long ago it was accepted that the Braves would make the playoffs every year.
I’ve seen it thrown around a little bit, but not recently. Why is Luke Scott not a factor in this? He appears to be the odd-man out in Baltimore, he only got paid $2.4m last year, and he can probably be had for a mid-level prospect or two. 27hr 77rbi .828ops in 449 ab’s. Certainly he can run and throw better than Nady? He can play first to spell Glaus (or cover if Glaus is spelling Chips or Dl’d) and LF.
Yeah, yeah he’s left-handed, but appears to hit lefties and righties pretty evenly. Pretty average defense, too.
no matter what heyward in the key to the braves season. I think a combo of diaz and ankel or dye in left batting 7th would be more then enough if heyward is good right off the bat ala miggy cabrea/pujols.
They will be tears of joy over a lopsided Tech win over another Big 10 pretender. You should be pulling for a Tech win — makes the Dogs win look that much better.
Besides, there isn’t a lot of time between landing, checking into hotel and heading to LandShark Stadium to head to the package store.
Jaime (January 2nd, 2010 11:04 pm EST): New guy here…be gentle!
Certianly, we were all new here once.
I’ve seen it thrown around a little bit, but not recently. Why is Luke Scott not a factor in this? He appears to be the odd-man out in Baltimore, he only got paid $2.4m last year, and he can probably be had for a mid-level prospect or two. 27hr 77rbi .828ops in 449 ab’s. Certainly he can run and throw better than Nady? He can play first to spell Glaus (or cover if Glaus is spelling Chips or Dl’d) and LF.
Yeah, yeah he’s left-handed, but appears to hit lefties and righties pretty evenly. Pretty average defense, too.
Somebody help, I don’t see the downside.
I like the idea. Some things to consider, though.
One, he’s not going to get $2.4m next year, he’ll get an arbitration raise. Probably somewhere in the neighborhood of $4m. Which isn’t out of the Braves price range by any means and shouldn’t, in itself, be a deterrent. Though it’s worth noting.
Third, as far as the odd man out thing is concerned, I’m not so sure that’s the case. If I’m Baltimore, I go into ‘10 with, left to right, Reimold, Jones, and Markakis, with Luke Scott either playing 1B or DH’ing.
I’d love for the organization to acquire Luke Scott. I’d give up a real legit prospect for him, even. Randall Delgado, perhaps.
Luke Scott is the guy Joe Simpson wouldn’t lay off of this year when Atl. visited Bal. because Scott was wearing those “too cool” shades as Joe called it. Joe is a throw back to the 70’s and 80’s when he played, I guess. Anyways, that was off target. I wouldn’t mind getting that guy to play LF after looking up his stats and for his price that ain’t too bad. Just haven’t seen his name float around much at all this offseason, so who knows if Bal. is even that serious about trading him.
Uggla would help our offensive lineup more than Damon. Putting him between Chipper and McCann with Glaus 6th would really strengthen the middle of our order. Hitting Damon leadoff would move McLouth down the linup but it would probably leave McCann cleanup followed by Glaus and then McLouth as Prado will hit second.
Defensively Uggla will obviously not be as strong but the tradeoff in the offensive lineup is significant.
January 2nd, 2010
10:36 pm
The ONLY way the Braves compete this year is if they get a slugger that will hit 30+ homers and drives in 100+. It doesnt look like thats going to happen. Signing Damon, Uggla, Nady or whomever just because they have potential or are good in the club house is ridiculous.’
you do know that one of the players you mentioned has hit 30+hr IN 3 straight seasons, right?
Third, as far as the odd man out thing is concerned, I’m not so sure that’s the case. If I’m Baltimore, I go into ‘10 with, left to right, Reimold, Jones, and Markakis, with Luke Scott either playing 1B or DH’ing.
Didin’t Reimold tear his achillies up? I’ve seen it speculated that he Dh’s, which leaves Pie, Markakis, A. Jones in the OF. Michael Aubrey appears to be the heir apparent at 1st. And, truth be told, I’ve seen reports that Scott isn’t that good at first (for full time).
It really all boils down to price in dollars or in prospects from here on out to who Atl. gets for the OF, if that’s what the plan is.
I have a hard time believing in my pea sized Tn brain that Wren signes another bat. It’ll come through a trade for two reasons… one is that he’s been pretty successful on the trade front these last few offseasons and two is that you’d have one too many OF’s with Melky/Diaz/McLouth and whoever they would sign through FA, not to mention Heyward. Sounds like there’s a very good chance the kid makes it with the big club out of ST as we all know by now. Fact is that Cabrera is a little expensive to use as a bench player and neither he or Diaz are what most would consider everyday players.
I bet soon after the Glaus signing is official is when things move fast on this.
7. How will the Orioles find playing time for part-time slugger Luke Scott?
The Orioles must be excited to even have this kind of question crop up, because they’ve rarely had the kind of depth that would make a player like Scott sit through limbo. Scott has demonstrated an ability to hit right-handed pitching, but the Orioles like Reimold and Pie more in left field and feel a need to cycle the other through the designated-hitter slot. That means that Scott will have to stay hot to earn playing time, and it also means that manager Dave Trembley will have to be creative to play everyone.
Also, since relocating to NW Florida a couple of years ago, I’m “treated” to the Marlins being my the team I get to see everyday. Uggla is nowhere near the butcher in the field as he’s made out to be. He’s also pretty timely with his big hits, despite what his overall stats suggest. However, I do think he makes too much money, would cost too much to get in a trade, and don’t think he would be good outfielder.
again, Prado can play LF. If the Braves trade for Uggla and Prado isnt involved in the trade, then Uggla would be at 2nd. I bet Hubbard could always help his D
TnBrian, I agree with your 11:50 posting with only a little to add (does this mean I have a pea size brain, also?) or disagree with. I’m a Matty Diaz fan and I believe he can hit pitchers from both sides of the mound, if given the chance. The 2 years before he was hurt, if memory serves, he had a higher (or close) batting average against righties than he did against lefties.
I don’t think Cabrera is that expensive. If he’s not traded, he would be valuable as the season goes on. He can play, very well, all the outfield positions.
Meanwhile, Day Two of the baggage nightmare has begun. Yes, 26 hours after we landed, Delta hasn’t delivered the three blags they sent to the wrong airport. Even though we were told that two of the bags have been in Atlanta since this morning and the other since around noon, by the baggage service people (who are in an office in Augusta, Ga., unable to have two-way communication with the Atlanta baggage-handling people, which makes perfect sense in the bloated-airline world of massive inefficiency, don’t you think?)
Tom O’Hawk, believe me, I’m a Diaz fan too, but I’m also a realist. To me and my tiny little brain he’s best suited for spot starts and a heck of one at that. But the other part of my brain, maybe the smarter side, remembers all those clutch hits this guy gets and how hard he plays. Man, I don’t know, but I think we’re better off with him as the occasional Hittin Fool.
DOB, sew ‘em! Telling ya, you’d make a fortune. Just lie and say you had some rare coins in one of those bags or something and now they’re gone.
I can’t speak for everyone on the blog, but I believe most of us, or at least the majority, are happy as hell that you weren’t shot
haha, thanks. But seriously….I can’t imagine this happening at all, let alone amongst teammates. The NBA gets a reputation for being a “thug” sport and they’ve been trying to improve their image. But teammates pulling guns on each other? Oh my…
DOB, your Delta nightmare sucks! If the 3 bags are delayed, don’t buy new underwear. I have some old, but clean, stuff I’ll send to you. There are holes, but the bands are tight. Just don’t wear them if you plan on getting lucky or think you might be hospitalized with a stroke.
Delta’s a mess sometimes. I remember they lost my bag one time. Filled out the claim paperwork and everything and then the bag magically showed up at my doorstep 3 months later.
i don’t understand why everyone is so hung up on uggla’s defense. everyone was saying the same thing about giles and kelly until glen hubbard turned them into more than capable 2nd basemen. there’s no reason he couldn’t do the same with uggla this spring. uggla definitely seems like an open minded/team player type that would be willing to take the advice.
DOB, if you need an idea for another article…. find out who this Glaus fella is. If you can get some time with him this spring, I’d like to read a Q&A.
certainly didn’t seem to be. getting mad about the word crusader which isn’t even an insult? I think your sense of humor could use some strengthening, myself. JMO
Tom O’Hawk, I think if Wren had went out and gotten a more of a sure thing for 1st base instead of a injury concern like Glaus than I would love to see Matt get the everyday gig in the OF. But Glaus is far from a sure thing and as much as I like Matt we need more consistant power in one of those OF spots than what he brings. Heyward could be what a lot of people think he’ll be from the start, but it’s just not the thing to do to count on a 20 yr old that’s never seen a pitch outside of AA ball.
Glaus was a good signing, don’t get me wrong. His price tag is something you couldn’t beat. His health is the question.
Phillips can hit 20-30 homeruns and steal 20 plus bases. I do like Prado but there are things Phillips does better that the Braves are missing, power and speed. Prime Time
you do know that power is measured by slugging% and Prado’s is higher than Phillips, right? Cincy is pretty much a hitter’s paradise, so coming to Atlanta will likely make him a worse hitter and his OPS is already way lower that Prado’s. I’ll pass on him.
Couldn’t find it posted on Dec 30th on this blog so here’s some Braves info from Jim Callis’s Baseball America chat -
The first question was about Baltimore’s farm system…and that’s where the Braves got their new head man for drafting talent.
Mike (DC)
How does the Orioles farm system rank in the MLB?
Jim Callis (2:06 PM)
I won’t give away the official BA rankings in the Prospect Handbook (which will be updated at the end of spring training to reflect trades and other developments). When I did my personal list, I rated the Orioles as the eighth-best farm system, which is quite impressive considering that Wieters, Tillman and Reimold graduated to the majors in 2009.
Frank Wren (Atl)(note: Fake name – a Baseball America specialty)
Rank my pitching prospects. Teheran, Vizcaino, Delgado, Minor, Devill, Rohrbough.
Jim Callis (2:16 PM)
Vizcaino, Teheran, Minor, Delgado, DeVall, Rohrbough.
(It’s interesting they rate the newly acquired NY Yankee prospect as our best pitching prospect.)
TnBrian, What “sure thing” are you referring to? LaRoche is a little more of a “sure thing”, but way too expensive. Unfortunately Wren has a budget. I don’t think we could have done any better. I’m hoping LF or CF gets an upgrade via trade as well.
TnBrian, I have to agree with everything you said at 1:47. With the money he recup’d from the Vazquez trade, I expected more. Once he signed Glaus, I was really mystified (4 beers will do that also). There is a long way to go before opening day, but what the hell is he going to do with that extra payroll money???? (stay tuned)
I did copy and paste. just like here
actually it referred to a post I made the other day in response to someone talking about why DAP was always posting about Gomes-.kidding that DAP was in one of his crusading moods. he couldn’t push Cameron any more so he was pushing Gomes. I thought it was kinda funny but he took offense, though I’m not sure why exactly??? not like it’s an insult crusading for someone you like.
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David O'Brien
January 2nd, 2010
9:19 pm
Elon Brave: That’s a good question, Uggla vs. Damon. Yes, I do think Damon would help more, in part because Uggla’d be either playing out of position (OF) or force Braves to move Prado. Either option’s not good, in my view….
The Jayhawks had a fairly strong performance today at Temple. Best I’ve seen them so far this season over an entire game. Still capable of playing a lot better, but it was a solid effort against a ranked team on the road.
AustinBrave
January 2nd, 2010
9:24 pm
David
What do you think the chances that 33 year old rookie Mitch Jones will get a shot in the outfield. I sure feel for the guy I think he’s due.
Jim
January 2nd, 2010
9:26 pm
Dave: Agree Nady is #1 choice as long as he is healthy (or he would not be #1). As for full-time position, having nady would mean that Braves could start season with Nady, McLouth and Diaz from LF to RF. Melky (4th OF; maybe Infante or Mitch Jones would be 5th) could play CF against LHP, if McLouth does not show signs of improving his 2009 Braves BA/OPS against LHP. Heyward could work on whatever he might need to work in AAA. Assume JH ready by mid-June. By ten Braves will surely know who’s rockin’ and who’s not, especially against RH and LH pitching. Chipper and Glaus will need some rest. Leave Nady in LF if he is performing well and let Diaz play 1B. Leave Prado at 2B and let him get more comfortable with position and working with Escobar and Glaus. If Diaz can play 1B, then Braves will really have a lot of flexibility and will be able to rest older players through the season. Let Ross catch against tough LH pitchers – maybe 20-25 games.
richbrave
January 2nd, 2010
9:36 pm
NADY, ma-a-a-aybe.
Anders
January 2nd, 2010
9:38 pm
Watching the movie Seven right now. Kevin Spacey may just be the best character actor I’ve ever seen. Incredibly believable in these crazy roles he plays.
richbrave
January 2nd, 2010
9:38 pm
I just don’t think there any way around not signing a major bat for the middle of the line-up. Can’t field a pennant winner on 96 million.
Anders
January 2nd, 2010
9:44 pm
richbrave- Your 9:38 post is the exact thinking that will beget a 2nd wild card in each league some day imo. The original wc team was to offset the rogue big spender in each league. Now that there are numerous teams in each league spending big $’s the mid level teams will need yet another way to the dance. Selig will bless this on his way out the door in a few years imo.
Tampa Bay
January 2nd, 2010
9:45 pm
Can’t field a pennant winner on 96 million
Excuse me?
Heath
January 2nd, 2010
9:52 pm
DOB -
Temple was aaaaaaaaaaaaaawful today. 5-29 for 3-pt line and 16-64 overall. Let me be very clear that I think that KU is a very, very good team (I think after the top 5, the over-all team-talent really falls off) but today’s clunker from Temple was more about their ineptness than KU’s stellar defense or anything. I figured KU would win anyway, but the Jayhawk-colored glasses have you seeing a better performance from KU than there really was today. I still think KU is a final four team and legitimate contender, but not based on today’s game. Just like today, my cat’s looked absolutely awful even though they won a very intense rivalry game.
P. W. Hjort
January 2nd, 2010
10:01 pm
Johnny Damon has a .366 on base average the past 6 years.
A lot of his HR’s will probably disappear without the New Yankee Stadium, but if the Braves think they can count on Damon to post a .366 on base average, he’s probably worth signing.
P. W. Hjort
January 2nd, 2010
10:06 pm
Haha, this is one of the funniest things I’ve read all day:
Sexually oblivious rhinoceros vs. statistically oblivious Datyon Moore
Anders
January 2nd, 2010
10:08 pm
P.W. Hjort – Big difference hitting at the top of an NL lineup as opposed to an AL lineup. Especially when those AL teams are the always loaded Red Sox and Yanks.
Honestly I’d be thrilled if the Braves signed Damon, but if I don’t post my true opinion I’ll miss everyone getting mad at me for my “told you so’s” round about August. {:
Eric In Albany N.Y.
January 2nd, 2010
10:08 pm
nady is the better option… even if he wanted a starting outfield job why wouldnt you make left field the job to win like it has been the last 12-15 yrs with diaz hayward melky and use nasy in right… either way you have a lot of options once the guy gets on the team.. dude i live in ny ive seen damon play enough to know he is way over priced and if escobar or prado have to walk out to grab the ball out of his hand its not worth signing damon to the outfield in turner field… its not exactly the samllest ball park in the majors!
nady is the best option in my view at this point unless you want to take a risk on a trade for ugly…
any day of the week i would take the money and put it on another injured guy like nady and see how we size up against the mets marlins and phills than trade away our depth in the field.
even if it means accept some failure till next yr taking a risk on players that dont work out!
whats the diff from the last few yrs anyway?
Eric In Albany N.Y.
January 2nd, 2010
10:09 pm
PS damon was better when he looked like an ape man! and even then he had no “D”
The_Superhoo
January 2nd, 2010
10:16 pm
OMG! I got RT’ed by DOB!
I have officially “made it.” hahaha
I hadnt heard that little joke until I joined the Air Force.
richbrave
January 2nd, 2010
10:19 pm
Anders
January 2nd, 2010
9:44 pm
richbrave- Your 9:38 post is the exact thinking that will beget a 2nd wild card in each league some day imo. The original wc team was to offset the rogue big spender in each league. Now that there are numerous teams in each league spending big $’s the mid level teams will need yet another way to the dance. Selig will bless this on his way out the door in a few years imo.
Interesting. Hopefully, I’ll be around long enough to see that eventuality.
Salty Dawg
January 2nd, 2010
10:19 pm
Damn, just read that Kevin Pearce suffered a “severe, traumatic brain injury” this week while training for the upcoming Olympic qualifying. That really sucks. I think he is only about 21-22 yrs old. Really hope he pulls through.
richbrave
January 2nd, 2010
10:20 pm
Tampa Bay
January 2nd, 2010
9:45 pm
Can’t field a pennant winner on 96 million
Excuse me?
Well, the BRAVES can’t seem to do it. But hey, live in hope, right? LOL.
Anders
January 2nd, 2010
10:27 pm
Salty Dawg- Who’s Kevin Pearce?
AdirondackDave
January 2nd, 2010
10:32 pm
At the risk of missing something something obvious here, if you add another wild card team in each league, don’t you have 5 playoff teams in each league? How would you schedule that?
Anders
January 2nd, 2010
10:35 pm
Adirondack- WC teams play each other first. Winner goes on.
P. W. Hjort
January 2nd, 2010
10:36 pm
AdirondackDave (January 2nd, 2010 10:32 pm EST): At the risk of missing something something obvious here, if you add another wild card team in each league, don’t you have 5 playoff teams in each league? How would you schedule that?
Some twice differential equations would have to be involved.
reality check
January 2nd, 2010
10:36 pm
The ONLY way the Braves compete this year is if they get a slugger that will hit 30+ homers and drives in 100+. It doesnt look like thats going to happen. Signing Damon, Uggla, Nady or whomever just because they have potential or are good in the club house is ridiculous. Braves are already full of “maybes” and “what ifs”. No sense in adding to the list.
P. W. Hjort
January 2nd, 2010
10:37 pm
Anders (January 2nd, 2010 10:08 pm EST): P.W. Hjort – Big difference hitting at the top of an NL lineup as opposed to an AL lineup. Especially when those AL teams are the always loaded Red Sox and Yanks.
Honestly I’d be thrilled if the Braves signed Damon, but if I don’t post my true opinion I’ll miss everyone getting mad at me for my “told you so’s” round about August. {:
No evidence that’s true. I’m not saying it isn’t true, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s not.
KC
January 2nd, 2010
10:39 pm
DOB, I’m not sure I understand the relevance of Nady’s desire to play every day in the OF, and not take on a hybrid role… because isn’t an everyday OF job exactly what ATL would have in mind for him?
I mean, certainly part of the appeal is that he can play 1st should Glaus go on the shelf for any length of time. But the plan is to have Glaus at 1B, so there isn’t anything about the way the Braves would plan to use him that would be a deterrent to signing here. Am I missing something?
Anders
January 2nd, 2010
10:42 pm
P.W. Hjort- AL Lineups just go round and round. The NL lineups stop at the station to let the weak 8 hitter and pitcher off. Who would you rather bat in front of? I think it’s pretty well accepted that there’s a big difference going through 8,9,1 & 2 between leagues.
Anders
January 2nd, 2010
10:44 pm
KC- All kidding aside has anyone seen Nady throw since his injury? He’s coming off a second TJ. I don’t believe he played before the end of last year did he?
P. W. Hjort
January 2nd, 2010
10:52 pm
Anders (January 2nd, 2010 10:42 pm EST): P.W. Hjort- AL Lineups just go round and round. The NL lineups stop at the station to let the weak 8 hitter and pitcher off. Who would you rather bat in front of? I think it’s pretty well accepted that there’s a big difference going through 8,9,1 & 2 between leagues.
It seems intuitive, I guess, but there’s still no evidence that it’s true. I’m not interested in getting into a discussion over whether it’s true or not. I have no idea whether or not it’s true and I’ll leave it at that. Getting into a discussion without sufficient empirical evidence isn’t productive, I don’t think.
BTW, 30 years ago, it was pretty well accepted that batting average was the best way to judge a hitter, victories were the best way to judge a pitcher, and fielding percentage was the best way to judge a fielder.
600 years ago it was well accepted that the world was flat.
3,000 years ago it was well accepted that the sun was a god.
Eventually, things we all accept are sometimes proven wrong. And unless there’s empirical evidence to suggest that something is true, we shouldn’t just accept it because someone said so, no matter how intuitive it seems.
Salty Dawg
January 2nd, 2010
10:55 pm
Anders-”Who’s Kevin Pearce?”
A pro snowboarder and Olympic Team member. Pretty awesome kid. Very talented.
http://www.nbcolympics.com/news-features/news/newsid=266363.html
StingerSplash
January 2nd, 2010
10:56 pm
I have to fly Southwest from Jacksonville to Fort Lauderdale on Tuesday afternoon (because I don’t have time to drive to Miami for the Orange Bowl). I’m carrying on at least one bag. Might do two — but I was hoping to have a handful of Mr. Daniels’ finest small bottles with me to take into the game, so that bag might need to get checked.
Given DOB’s horror story of Delta, I is now worried.
KC
January 2nd, 2010
11:00 pm
Anders, I haven’t seen ANYONE throw this winter. Med records and workouts are scrutinized by any team looking to sign a player coming back from an injury. Rest assured, if the Braves make him an offer, they will have seen him throw.
Salty Dawg
January 2nd, 2010
11:01 pm
StingerSplash-”I have to fly Southwest from Jacksonville to Fort Lauderdale on Tuesday afternoon (because I don’t have time to drive to Miami for the Orange Bowl). I’m carrying on at least one bag. Might do two — but I was hoping to have a handful of Mr. Daniels’ finest small bottles with me to take into the game, so that bag might need to get checked.
Given DOB’s horror story of Delta, I is now worried.”
They sell Mr. Daniels’ finest in Ft. Lauderdale, so buy it there. Save the bag space for an ample supply of Kleenex to dab the tears from your eyes on the way home.
Anders
January 2nd, 2010
11:02 pm
Eventually, things we all accept are sometimes proven wrong. And unless there’s empirical evidence to suggest that something is true, we shouldn’t just accept it because someone said so, no matter how intuitive it seems (P.W. Hjort)
You have a point. I mean it wasn’t that long ago it was accepted that the Braves would make the playoffs every year.
Lesson learned. Thanks.
Anders
January 2nd, 2010
11:03 pm
Salty – That 11:01 is priceless!
Jaime
January 2nd, 2010
11:04 pm
New guy here…be gentle!
I’ve seen it thrown around a little bit, but not recently. Why is Luke Scott not a factor in this? He appears to be the odd-man out in Baltimore, he only got paid $2.4m last year, and he can probably be had for a mid-level prospect or two. 27hr 77rbi .828ops in 449 ab’s. Certainly he can run and throw better than Nady? He can play first to spell Glaus (or cover if Glaus is spelling Chips or Dl’d) and LF.
Yeah, yeah he’s left-handed, but appears to hit lefties and righties pretty evenly. Pretty average defense, too.
Somebody help, I don’t see the downside.
P. W. Hjort
January 2nd, 2010
11:04 pm
I mean it wasn’t that long ago it was accepted that the Braves would make the playoffs every year.
How the mighty have fallen….
Anders
January 2nd, 2010
11:06 pm
Hey new guy – where’d you get the stripper name?
rainman
January 2nd, 2010
11:10 pm
no matter what heyward in the key to the braves season. I think a combo of diaz and ankel or dye in left batting 7th would be more then enough if heyward is good right off the bat ala miggy cabrea/pujols.
jeffrey d
January 2nd, 2010
11:13 pm
Way to roll out the welcome wagon, Anders
Jaime
January 2nd, 2010
11:16 pm
jeffrey d
Don’t worry about me, I’m pretty sturdy. (Probably my gorgeous, yet powerful stripper legs)
jeffrey d
January 2nd, 2010
11:18 pm
I hear you gotta have a strong lower body to strip professionally.
Anders
January 2nd, 2010
11:20 pm
Why do I get the feeling this is gonna end up with Jaime taking all of Jeffrey D’s money?
jeffrey d
January 2nd, 2010
11:21 pm
Jaime’s a male, correct?
Anders
January 2nd, 2010
11:21 pm
Oh boy. Check please!
StingerSplash
January 2nd, 2010
11:22 pm
SaltyDawg,
They will be tears of joy over a lopsided Tech win over another Big 10 pretender. You should be pulling for a Tech win — makes the Dogs win look that much better.
Besides, there isn’t a lot of time between landing, checking into hotel and heading to LandShark Stadium to head to the package store.
Jaime
January 2nd, 2010
11:22 pm
Yeah, sorry to disappoint.
Anders
January 2nd, 2010
11:23 pm
Not so fast Jaime. Jeffrey?
StingerSplash
January 2nd, 2010
11:23 pm
And I guarantee I visit, win or lose, to the finest restaurant in Georgia on the way home Wednesday:
Willie’s Wee Nee Wagon in Brunswick.
jeffrey d
January 2nd, 2010
11:26 pm
I think we need to change the subject
Anders
January 2nd, 2010
11:27 pm
jeffrey- Is all your money gone already? {:
P. W. Hjort
January 2nd, 2010
11:31 pm
Jaime (January 2nd, 2010 11:04 pm EST): New guy here…be gentle!
Certianly, we were all new here once.
I’ve seen it thrown around a little bit, but not recently. Why is Luke Scott not a factor in this? He appears to be the odd-man out in Baltimore, he only got paid $2.4m last year, and he can probably be had for a mid-level prospect or two. 27hr 77rbi .828ops in 449 ab’s. Certainly he can run and throw better than Nady? He can play first to spell Glaus (or cover if Glaus is spelling Chips or Dl’d) and LF.
Yeah, yeah he’s left-handed, but appears to hit lefties and righties pretty evenly. Pretty average defense, too.
Somebody help, I don’t see the downside.
I like the idea. Some things to consider, though.
One, he’s not going to get $2.4m next year, he’ll get an arbitration raise. Probably somewhere in the neighborhood of $4m. Which isn’t out of the Braves price range by any means and shouldn’t, in itself, be a deterrent. Though it’s worth noting.
Secondly, he’s played his entire career in a tremendous hitter’s park. Here’s an overlay of Camden Yards (orange) and Turner Field (light red) on his home run chart from 2009. He probably doesn’t hit 27 (perhaps closer to 20) without Camden Yards.
Third, as far as the odd man out thing is concerned, I’m not so sure that’s the case. If I’m Baltimore, I go into ‘10 with, left to right, Reimold, Jones, and Markakis, with Luke Scott either playing 1B or DH’ing.
I’d love for the organization to acquire Luke Scott. I’d give up a real legit prospect for him, even. Randall Delgado, perhaps.
jeffrey d
January 2nd, 2010
11:31 pm
Yeah, like I had money to begin with.
TnBrian
January 2nd, 2010
11:36 pm
Luke Scott is the guy Joe Simpson wouldn’t lay off of this year when Atl. visited Bal. because Scott was wearing those “too cool” shades as Joe called it. Joe is a throw back to the 70’s and 80’s when he played, I guess. Anyways, that was off target. I wouldn’t mind getting that guy to play LF after looking up his stats and for his price that ain’t too bad. Just haven’t seen his name float around much at all this offseason, so who knows if Bal. is even that serious about trading him.
brian
January 2nd, 2010
11:40 pm
Uggla would help our offensive lineup more than Damon. Putting him between Chipper and McCann with Glaus 6th would really strengthen the middle of our order. Hitting Damon leadoff would move McLouth down the linup but it would probably leave McCann cleanup followed by Glaus and then McLouth as Prado will hit second.
Defensively Uggla will obviously not be as strong but the tradeoff in the offensive lineup is significant.
unbelievable
January 2nd, 2010
11:40 pm
“reality check
January 2nd, 2010
10:36 pm
The ONLY way the Braves compete this year is if they get a slugger that will hit 30+ homers and drives in 100+. It doesnt look like thats going to happen. Signing Damon, Uggla, Nady or whomever just because they have potential or are good in the club house is ridiculous.’
you do know that one of the players you mentioned has hit 30+hr IN 3 straight seasons, right?
unbelievable
January 2nd, 2010
11:43 pm
reality check, that same player also has a career .653 slg% and a 1.074OPS at turner field
Jaime
January 2nd, 2010
11:46 pm
Third, as far as the odd man out thing is concerned, I’m not so sure that’s the case. If I’m Baltimore, I go into ‘10 with, left to right, Reimold, Jones, and Markakis, with Luke Scott either playing 1B or DH’ing.
Didin’t Reimold tear his achillies up? I’ve seen it speculated that he Dh’s, which leaves Pie, Markakis, A. Jones in the OF. Michael Aubrey appears to be the heir apparent at 1st. And, truth be told, I’ve seen reports that Scott isn’t that good at first (for full time).
TnBrian
January 2nd, 2010
11:50 pm
It really all boils down to price in dollars or in prospects from here on out to who Atl. gets for the OF, if that’s what the plan is.
I have a hard time believing in my pea sized Tn brain that Wren signes another bat. It’ll come through a trade for two reasons… one is that he’s been pretty successful on the trade front these last few offseasons and two is that you’d have one too many OF’s with Melky/Diaz/McLouth and whoever they would sign through FA, not to mention Heyward. Sounds like there’s a very good chance the kid makes it with the big club out of ST as we all know by now. Fact is that Cabrera is a little expensive to use as a bench player and neither he or Diaz are what most would consider everyday players.
I bet soon after the Glaus signing is official is when things move fast on this.
Jaime
January 3rd, 2010
12:07 am
Sorry, meant to add this from here:
http://baltimore.orioles.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20091222&content_id=7844798
7. How will the Orioles find playing time for part-time slugger Luke Scott?
The Orioles must be excited to even have this kind of question crop up, because they’ve rarely had the kind of depth that would make a player like Scott sit through limbo. Scott has demonstrated an ability to hit right-handed pitching, but the Orioles like Reimold and Pie more in left field and feel a need to cycle the other through the designated-hitter slot. That means that Scott will have to stay hot to earn playing time, and it also means that manager Dave Trembley will have to be creative to play everyone.
Also, since relocating to NW Florida a couple of years ago, I’m “treated” to the Marlins being my the team I get to see everyday. Uggla is nowhere near the butcher in the field as he’s made out to be. He’s also pretty timely with his big hits, despite what his overall stats suggest. However, I do think he makes too much money, would cost too much to get in a trade, and don’t think he would be good outfielder.
unbelievable
January 3rd, 2010
12:13 am
again, Prado can play LF. If the Braves trade for Uggla and Prado isnt involved in the trade, then Uggla would be at 2nd. I bet Hubbard could always help his D
Tom O'Hawke
January 3rd, 2010
12:20 am
TnBrian, I agree with your 11:50 posting with only a little to add (does this mean I have a pea size brain, also?) or disagree with. I’m a Matty Diaz fan and I believe he can hit pitchers from both sides of the mound, if given the chance. The 2 years before he was hurt, if memory serves, he had a higher (or close) batting average against righties than he did against lefties.
I don’t think Cabrera is that expensive. If he’s not traded, he would be valuable as the season goes on. He can play, very well, all the outfield positions.
Steve from OH
January 3rd, 2010
12:21 am
Arenas acknowledges “bad judgment?” No sh#t, Gilbert. What’s next? The Earth is round?
Way to jeopardize your 111MM contract. Good going.
jeffrey d
January 3rd, 2010
12:35 am
I was at the Grizzlies/Wizards game on Monday. As a fan, it alarms me to think that Gilbert Arenas had firearms so easily accessible.
jeffrey d
January 3rd, 2010
12:35 am
What if he pulled a gun during a TV time out and shot me?
Tom O'Hawke
January 3rd, 2010
12:40 am
“What if he pulled a gun during a TV time out and shot me?”
jeffrey d, well, for one thing … I doubt we’d be able to read your 12:35’s.
unbelievable
January 3rd, 2010
12:41 am
you’d either be pissed off or dead, most likely
jeffrey d
January 3rd, 2010
12:50 am
He pulled the gun, but didn’t shoot. Rendering my 12:35 and my 12:50 still valid
jeffrey d
January 3rd, 2010
12:50 am
Hypothetically, of course
David O'Brien
January 3rd, 2010
12:55 am
The second part of the Chipper Q&A is posted on our Braves page: http://www.ajc.com/sports/atlanta-braves/chipper-s-views-on-265618.html
Meanwhile, Day Two of the baggage nightmare has begun. Yes, 26 hours after we landed, Delta hasn’t delivered the three blags they sent to the wrong airport. Even though we were told that two of the bags have been in Atlanta since this morning and the other since around noon, by the baggage service people (who are in an office in Augusta, Ga., unable to have two-way communication with the Atlanta baggage-handling people, which makes perfect sense in the bloated-airline world of massive inefficiency, don’t you think?)
Tom O'Hawke
January 3rd, 2010
12:56 am
jeffrey d, I can’t speak for everyone on the blog, but I believe most of us, or at least the majority, are happy as hell that you weren’t shot.
TnBrian
January 3rd, 2010
1:04 am
Tom O’Hawk, believe me, I’m a Diaz fan too, but I’m also a realist. To me and my tiny little brain he’s best suited for spot starts and a heck of one at that. But the other part of my brain, maybe the smarter side, remembers all those clutch hits this guy gets and how hard he plays. Man, I don’t know, but I think we’re better off with him as the occasional Hittin Fool.
DOB, sew ‘em! Telling ya, you’d make a fortune. Just lie and say you had some rare coins in one of those bags or something and now they’re gone.
jeffrey d
January 3rd, 2010
1:07 am
I can’t speak for everyone on the blog, but I believe most of us, or at least the majority, are happy as hell that you weren’t shot
haha, thanks. But seriously….I can’t imagine this happening at all, let alone amongst teammates. The NBA gets a reputation for being a “thug” sport and they’ve been trying to improve their image. But teammates pulling guns on each other? Oh my…
Soph
January 3rd, 2010
1:11 am
jeffrey d, I can’t speak for everyone on the blog, but I believe most of us, or at least the majority, are happy as hell that you weren’t shot.
Yes, I concur. Yay for jeffrey not being shot at an NBA game.
Tom O'Hawke
January 3rd, 2010
1:12 am
DOB, your Delta nightmare sucks! If the 3 bags are delayed, don’t buy new underwear. I have some old, but clean, stuff I’ll send to you. There are holes, but the bands are tight. Just don’t wear them if you plan on getting lucky or think you might be hospitalized with a stroke.
Soph
January 3rd, 2010
1:13 am
Delta’s a mess sometimes. I remember they lost my bag one time. Filled out the claim paperwork and everything and then the bag magically showed up at my doorstep 3 months later.
Tom O'Hawke
January 3rd, 2010
1:16 am
TnBrian, you may be more of realist than I am. However, I’d like to see him get another chance at playing every day. You would too, wouldn’t you?
jeffrey d
January 3rd, 2010
1:17 am
Well I made an in depth response, but maybe T-H-U-G is a banned word? Basically I said that this is not the incident the NBA needed
jeffrey d
January 3rd, 2010
1:17 am
And I thanked everyone for not wanting me dead.
Tom O'Hawke
January 3rd, 2010
1:21 am
” Yay for jeffrey not being shot at an NBA game.”
Soph, at least for some of us, the year is starting off on a positve note. (I don’t think DOB is onboard, just yet)
Soph
January 3rd, 2010
1:22 am
You’re welcome. We got yo’ back. You could probably take Gilbert.
matt
January 3rd, 2010
1:24 am
i don’t understand why everyone is so hung up on uggla’s defense. everyone was saying the same thing about giles and kelly until glen hubbard turned them into more than capable 2nd basemen. there’s no reason he couldn’t do the same with uggla this spring. uggla definitely seems like an open minded/team player type that would be willing to take the advice.
sidslidkid
January 3rd, 2010
1:24 am
DOB, I owe you another attaboy for the 2nd part of the Chipper Q&A. Lots of personality oozing out of that piece. Thank you.
jeffrey d
January 3rd, 2010
1:26 am
I could take Gilbert Gotfried. But not Gilbert Arenas.
Tom O'Hawke
January 3rd, 2010
1:30 am
“DOB, I owe you another attaboy for the 2nd part of the Chipper Q&A. Lots of personality oozing out of that piece. Thank you.”
Yeah, DOB, everything that sidslidkid said!
Blair
January 3rd, 2010
1:34 am
DOB, if you know a lawyer, have him/her rattle their cage with a phone call… That might light a fire under them….
sidslidkid
January 3rd, 2010
1:42 am
DOB, if you need an idea for another article…. find out who this Glaus fella is. If you can get some time with him this spring, I’d like to read a Q&A.
nolie
January 3rd, 2010
1:43 am
my life and sense of humor are just fine DAP
certainly didn’t seem to be. getting mad about the word crusader which isn’t even an insult? I think your sense of humor could use some strengthening, myself. JMO
TnBrian
January 3rd, 2010
1:47 am
Tom O’Hawk, I think if Wren had went out and gotten a more of a sure thing for 1st base instead of a injury concern like Glaus than I would love to see Matt get the everyday gig in the OF. But Glaus is far from a sure thing and as much as I like Matt we need more consistant power in one of those OF spots than what he brings. Heyward could be what a lot of people think he’ll be from the start, but it’s just not the thing to do to count on a 20 yr old that’s never seen a pitch outside of AA ball.
Glaus was a good signing, don’t get me wrong. His price tag is something you couldn’t beat. His health is the question.
Tom O'Hawke
January 3rd, 2010
1:50 am
“my life and sense of humor are just fine DAP”
nolie, I went all the way back to the top of this page to see what the hell you were talking about. Would it kill you to ‘copy & paste’?
.P.a.u.l .L.e.n.t.z
January 3rd, 2010
1:55 am
Andrew in PA……….Tomorrow, it’s on. Dallas is going to put a hurtin’ on the Campbell Soup man.
nolie
January 3rd, 2010
1:58 am
Phillips can hit 20-30 homeruns and steal 20 plus bases. I do like Prado but there are things Phillips does better that the Braves are missing, power and speed. Prime Time
you do know that power is measured by slugging% and Prado’s is higher than Phillips, right? Cincy is pretty much a hitter’s paradise, so coming to Atlanta will likely make him a worse hitter and his OPS is already way lower that Prado’s. I’ll pass on him.
BravesAC
January 3rd, 2010
2:02 am
Couldn’t find it posted on Dec 30th on this blog so here’s some Braves info from Jim Callis’s Baseball America chat -
The first question was about Baltimore’s farm system…and that’s where the Braves got their new head man for drafting talent.
Mike (DC)
How does the Orioles farm system rank in the MLB?
Jim Callis (2:06 PM)
I won’t give away the official BA rankings in the Prospect Handbook (which will be updated at the end of spring training to reflect trades and other developments). When I did my personal list, I rated the Orioles as the eighth-best farm system, which is quite impressive considering that Wieters, Tillman and Reimold graduated to the majors in 2009.
Frank Wren (Atl)(note: Fake name – a Baseball America specialty)
Rank my pitching prospects. Teheran, Vizcaino, Delgado, Minor, Devill, Rohrbough.
Jim Callis (2:16 PM)
Vizcaino, Teheran, Minor, Delgado, DeVall, Rohrbough.
(It’s interesting they rate the newly acquired NY Yankee prospect as our best pitching prospect.)
sidslidkid
January 3rd, 2010
2:02 am
TnBrian, What “sure thing” are you referring to? LaRoche is a little more of a “sure thing”, but way too expensive. Unfortunately Wren has a budget. I don’t think we could have done any better. I’m hoping LF or CF gets an upgrade via trade as well.
Tom O'Hawke
January 3rd, 2010
2:02 am
TnBrian, I have to agree with everything you said at 1:47. With the money he recup’d from the Vazquez trade, I expected more. Once he signed Glaus, I was really mystified (4 beers will do that also). There is a long way to go before opening day, but what the hell is he going to do with that extra payroll money???? (stay tuned)
nolie
January 3rd, 2010
2:04 am
Would it kill you to ‘copy & paste’? Tom O
I did copy and paste. just like here
actually it referred to a post I made the other day in response to someone talking about why DAP was always posting about Gomes-.kidding that DAP was in one of his crusading moods. he couldn’t push Cameron any more so he was pushing Gomes. I thought it was kinda funny but he took offense, though I’m not sure why exactly??? not like it’s an insult crusading for someone you like.
nolie
January 3rd, 2010
2:06 am
Forgot to ask, did anyone see the remake of The Taking of Pelham 1 2 3? DOB
yeah quite a while ago. I liked it a lot
sidslidkid
January 3rd, 2010
2:08 am
I just saw the movie Sugar yesterday… good flick. I’d highly recommend it. (I’m really late on seeing this one).
Tom O'Hawke
January 3rd, 2010
2:13 am
“actually it referred to a post I made the other day in response to someone talking about why DAP…..” —- nolie
And I missed it? My bad!
nolie
January 3rd, 2010
2:14 am
Some twice differential equations would have to be involved. PWH
yup, some Diffy-Q to the rescue
nolie
January 3rd, 2010
2:19 am
wasn’t THAT awful long ago that it was assumed that the Pirates would make the playoffs-relative to the sun is a god times anyway