10:45 pm December 23, 2009, by David O'Brien
December 24th, 20096:57 am
Braves_Fan_RSD, (it wouldn’t hurt to get an easier moniker)
“Looking at all the incentives only David Ross and Saito’s games played seem realistic. So Im sure they are counting on about 800K – 1M to actually be obtained.
OK, what about the guy they just signed, Mr. Glaus? I heard he has incentives in his contract. You probably can’t find those yet.
December 24th, 20096:59 am
thats wrong lol
P = (y – x + a) – b sorry bout that lol
“P = (y – x – a) +b “
Yeah, you took the words letters right out of my mouth.
December 24th, 20097:01 am
Oh yeah, now you tell me.
We will probably find that out after he passes the Physical (which I fully expect him to do) and the contract becomes official. That will probably be next year sometime.
Have a glorious time in Whistler. I was in Vancouver in October, so I know how beautiful it is there. Enjoy your vacation and thanks for all you do to keep us informed.
And to all – I wish you a joyous holiday season.
December 24th, 20097:04 am
You know the title of this blog shouldve been:
“Santa Glaus is coming to town, and hes bringing Cookies and Melk!”
December 24th, 20097:08 am
Im going to take advantage of my Season tickets and go to the game dressed in full Trojan body armor me and my buddies are going to be:
Glaus’s Men of Troy!
December 24th, 20097:09 am
““Santa Glaus is coming to town, and hes bringing Cookies and Melk!”
I may regret saying this later on, but I think that’s funny!
December 24th, 20097:17 am
Tom O’ Hawke speaking of ancient battle heroes You know In The Heat of the Night they were stationed in Sparta Mississippi I would absolutely love to see a spoof of the of 300 with carroll o connor screaming “THIS IS SPARTA” then kicking a dude into his jail sail. LoL me and my crazy thoughts lol!
December 24th, 20097:18 am
I’m away for long periods, but I’ve been reading DOB’s blog for quite some time. Have you just recently joined in?
December 24th, 20097:22 am
Yes, in hindsight, this team constructed now is better than the one that we had last season, but people seem to forget that the lineup we had last season was SUPPOSED to be pretty solid too.
Wren at the beginning of last season: “We may not have that ‘perrenial 30 home run guy’ but we have a lineup full of solid hitters who could all hit 15-25 homers.”
At the start of spring training 2009:
Kelly Johnson (was considered by MANY Braves fans to be one of the top 5 offensive second basemen in the NL. Primed for a break-out season. After how strong he finished out ‘08, that wasn’t a stretch at all)
Chipper Jones ( Hit .364 in 2008 and one of the best hitters in the majors. NO WAY he has a bad season)
Garret Anderson. ( Plan D, but was still considered a “professional hitter” who would provide solid ABs)
Jeff Francouer. (Mr. “I got my swagger back.” After all of the crap we heard about him; Frenchy going to Jaramillo, Frenchy changes his batting stance, Frenchy sees results, Frenchy enjoys playing baseball again, everyone was on the “Frenchy’s going to bounce back” bandwagon. Even Chipper Jones claimed that he was going to be the big power-hitter the team needs.)
Casey Kotchman. (might not set the world on fire, but he still should be a solid presence in the line-up. Along with GG caliber defense)
Jordan Schafer. ( He may be a rookie, but no way he bombs so badly, he would be considered an automatic out in the line-up. Definitely an upgrade over what we had in the OF in ‘08)
So while the end results wasn’t pretty, the lineup that came into the ‘09 season was supposed to be really solid..like we’re claiming this lineup is suppose to be. At this point last year, I doubt many people would’ve taken Glaus/Prado/Cabrera/Heyward over Francouer/Johnson/Anderson/Kotchman.
My point is, like Francouer/Johnson/Schafer having great seasons, Heyward, Glaus, Cabrera, Chipper (going pre-2009) are not sure things either. IMO, Heyward/Glaus/Cabrera/the rotation performing as great as they did in ‘09/Chipper bouncing back/Prado continuing to excel are bigger question marks than we had going into last season. Saying Heyward > Francouer is BS. As great a prospect as he is, the dude hasn’t played a single game above AA. Can we please wait until he plays a few ML games before we proclaim him the second coming of Albert Pujols? This time next season, we could be saying: “Damn, if we didn’t have Heyward and Glaus in the line-up in the first half, we could’ve made the playoffs!!’ I seriously doubt it, but it could happen.
Yes, I am a glass half-empty guy when it comes to this Braves team. I can’t help it. I can see too many things going poorly to get overly excited about the 2010 season.
..And the fact that you can pretty much pencil in the Phillies for about 105 wins doesn’t help matters either.
December 24th, 20097:23 am
Yeah I regularly post at http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=12 you will see most of my rants over there I have read for a very long time and post over there cause the lines of communication are easier to follow with different subjects having different threads. I usually post what DOB has to say over there and we discuss it over there I started talking over here occasionally when i saw a certain individual who will remain nameless (for fear of getting banned myself) started making such outlandish comments I couldn’t help but prove him wrong lol I have only recently posted more often over here.
December 24th, 20097:24 am
Holy crap, that was way too long. Sorry for that.
December 24th, 20097:25 am
..And the fact that you can pretty much pencil in the Phillies for about 105 wins doesn’t help matters either. HomeofdaBraves
Yeah cause Replacing Cliff Lee with Halladay Feliz with Polonco and adding Ross Gload makes them 12 wins better than last year (sarcasm)
December 24th, 20097:29 am
Saying Heyward > Francouer is BS. As great a prospect as he is, the dude hasn’t played a single game above AA. HomeofdaBraves
Actually Heyward has played 3 games at AAA and hit .364/.462/.364/.826
“Yeah cause Replacing Cliff Lee with Halladay Feliz with Polonco and adding Ross Gload makes them 12 wins better than last year (sarcasm)”
Yes it does. No sarcasm intended
December 24th, 20097:31 am
And just so you know Brian McCann never played above AA before being called up to the Majors his only games ever in AAA was last season on a rehab stint.
“Actually Heyward has played 3 games at AAA and hit .364/.462/.364/.826″
Oh wow, 3 whole games? That changes everything! (Now that’s sarcasm)
December 24th, 20097:35 am
Please explain that to me????
Last year Halladay was worth .5 more wins than Cliff Lee according to WAR (wins above replacement)
Polonco was worth about 1.6 more than Feliz
Gload was worth -0.1
so lets see .5 + 1.6 – .1 = 2.0 wins where exactly are they getting the other 10?
December 24th, 20097:36 am
Oh wow, 3 whole games? That changes everything! (Now that’s sarcasm)
only in response to you saying and i quote “Saying Heyward > Francouer is BS. As great a prospect as he is, the dude hasn’t played a SINGLE game above AA.”
December 24th, 20097:38 am
Phillies w/ 12 incremental wins over last season with those additions/subtractions? Prove that math.
Braves_Fan_RSD — ” I saw a certain individual making such outlandish comments”
I know if I think about it for awhile, I may come up with that individual you’re talking about.
If that’s what got you on DOB’s blog, then I guess everything has a purpose. Even that idiot!
December 24th, 20097:39 am
2009 season split w/Phillies 10-8
Seems like they competed pretty well against them last year.”
Yes, The Braves were 7-1 against the Phillies at first when they were probably playing worse baseball than the Braves were. The last 10 games, the Braves went 3-7 against them.
Sort of a hollow victory, IMO.
December 24th, 20097:40 am
Tom did you look at that forum I showed ya?
December 24th, 20097:41 am
I WAS A WREN DEFENDER UNTIL THIS WEEK,
BRAVES ARE WORSE OFF AFTER 3 DAYS OF GIVEAWAYS AND OVER-THE-HILL SIGNINGS THAN THEY WERE AT THIS TIME LAST YEAR AND NOT LIKELY TO GET MUCH BETTER THIS YEAR.
THE LOWE FOR GARY MATTHEWS, JR TRADE RUMOR SOUNDED LIKE A GOOD IDEA TO ME, OR TRADE THE FARM FOR ADRIAN GONZALEZ. BUT KEEP THE GOOD ROTATUIN INTACT.
BUT, WHEN JAVY VASQUEZ WAS TRADED, I BECAME A NATS FAN.
IT WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER TO TRADE CHIPPER TO THE AL. IF HE PLAYS 3B LIKE HE DID IN AUGUST AND SEPTEMBER LAST YEAR, WREN AND THE BRAVES FANS WILL ALL BE SORRY HE WASN’T TRADED WHILE HE WAS STILL WORTH SOMETHING.
December 24th, 20097:46 am
You know, I’d love to be a “ref” for you two, but I’m a little busy trying to finish reconfiguring my living room. I’m just glad you’re both Braves’ fans. If one or the other were a Mets or Phillies fan, this could get ugly.
December 24th, 20097:51 am
I have it up on a different screen. When I first looked at it, I thought it was a Vegas betting line. Obviously, I was a tad off.
THE BEAR Illegitimi non carborundum
December 24th, 20097:52 am
GTsteve, with thinking like that it is no wonder your wife left you.
December 24th, 20097:53 am
I WAS A WREN DEFENDER UNTIL THIS WEEK,
You obviously don’t look at the big picture here
1. Why was the Vazquez trade so bad???? I’m sure you are familiar with the Braves farm system so let me tell you what we got for ONE let me repeat ONE SEASON of Vazquez.
a. Julio Teheran (Vizcaino) There have been reports that Vizcaino could rank as high as Freeman in the Braves system but is no worse than 4th. That my friend is a very good prospect and his ratings compare very favorably to Tommy Hanson compare Viz and Hanson on baseball cube you will see what I mean.
b. Luis Valdez (Dunn) I know Valdez is RH and Dunn is LH but both have nasty stuff with closer ability. Dunn is better than Valdez at this point though.
c. Matt Diaz (Cabrera) What Melky lacks in bat he makes up for in defense compared to Diaz.
That is a pretty good haul for a 1 year rental.
Lowe for GMJ hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!! ok let me catch my breath hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha sorry it was impulsive. Yeah lets trade Lowe for a guy who will never see the field and take up just about as much salary good one man where are you next playing in what comedy club???
Most people do not understand that MELKY CABRERA WAS THE WORST PLAYER WE GOT BACK IN THAT DEAL. Viz and Dunn are the prizes here.
and once again to GMJ hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!
December 24th, 20097:56 am
The only REAL mistake I think FW made was with Soriano. The gamble wasn’t wrong dealing him so quickly after his arb acception was a mistake. I understand why it was done, but I’d take more return over instant payroll space anyday. They should have given it more time. Atleast till Rodney and Valverde signed.
If Soriano’s salary had been in the $3 million range then your position would have been right. However, since he was going to make $7+ million in 2010 few teams would have been willing to give up much for him in addition to taking on his salary. After all every team in existence knew the Braves had to trade him. Seems to me Wren got good value from a player he had already decided to let go for a draft pick.
December 24th, 20097:58 am
Was glad to see U2’s No Line on the Horizon as one of your top 50 CDs of 2009. I was lucky enough to get passes to U2’s 360 Show in Vega$ in October. We were standing about ten feet away from the stage. Was able to watch Black Eyed Peas open up for U2, and they were not as bad as I thought. At all. Anyway, it was U2 that put on a great show. This was the first time that I saw U2 live, and it was amazing. Not to mention, I was standing a few feet away from Jason Sudekis and Will Forte from Saturday Night Live and Penn Jillette from Penn and Teller. Bono said that Bill Clinton was in attendance, although we never saw him. Keep up the good work on the ole blog! Going back to lurking mode now!
December 24th, 20098:01 am
HAHA Matt Capps turned down the Mets to join the NATS love it!!!!!! John Tucker should be ecstatic now! Congrats man you know being a NATS fan and all
December 24th, 20098:02 am
I enjoyed reading the conversation last night- Tom O’Hawke you are the man. DOB,if you read this just wanted you to know as a recently retired person,1.5 years ago,the pleasure this blog brings to me. I laughed when somebody said a lot of people spend all day on this blog- well, I don’t spend all day here but usually catch up frequently. You are amazing to me in the tirelessness of your devotion to we Braves fans, so much you do is beyond your job description,I am sure. May God Bless you,and Merry Christmas. Merry Christmas to all my friends on the blog.
December 24th, 20098:05 am
My portable keyboard is acting up, and I have to finish my living room before I pass out. However, that site of yours, looks pretty damn interesting. This is a good time to lay it on me. I normally don’t have too much time, but right now I have plenty. I may have a question, or two, about the site. I’m hoping you’ll be around Dave’s blog during the next few days. Talk to you later.
December 24th, 20098:06 am
awesome Yom ttyl man Merry Christmas
December 24th, 20098:07 am
December 24th, 20098:08 am
Frank does some strange stuff sometimes but I like the way he seems to cherrish the farm system. He has had a good but eventful offseason. Now he needs to “finish the job” and spend the other $13.5 million to better our team.
With that much money, there are many options.
December 24th, 20098:10 am
Does anyone think if the Braves don’t get a hitting outfielder or if they do, that they would still think about trading for one during the season? It seems as though they have a plethora of outfielders in the minors and majors.
December 24th, 20098:22 am
By the time Wren re-tools the roster and waits on the big young guy’s down on the farm to come up, Chipper will be over the hill and we will have to trade a bunch of our “prospects” for a third baseman.
December 24th, 20098:24 am
DOB, great picture at the Attic. Eddie is an Atlanta treasure and a great guy.
I give Wren an A.
A pitcher salary had to be shifted to offense and, unfortunately it had to be JV. But it was a must.
FW is stockpiling young, live arms and that is a great thing. As nolie says, they are a crapshoot, so you gotta have a gaggle.
Wagner and Saito seem to be a bit of a downgrade from Soriano/Gonzo, but again we had to shift some of that salary to offense, so fine.
And, thanks for the number crunching – pretty clear Wren has 7-9M to spend. Either now on a FA, or by trade in ST, if it appears Heyward needs time at AAA.
I vote for Dero now – we could assure him a (largely) full time job in LF. But, in the end, with injuries etc. he could do some LF, RF, 3B, and IB. Thus, allowing several things -
Diaz gets his 300-400 well deserved ABs,
Melky gets some time in CF spelling McClouth and keeps a bit of speed in a lineup badly in need of it,
we have some back up in case Glaus has injury or adjustment problems,
Chipper gets some rest
we have some OF insurance in case Heyward does not contribute in 2010,
and there’s enough room in that mix for Infante to get some well deserved playing time.
December 24th, 20098:26 am
We are basing the success of the Cabera trade on prospects. Thats not good . Sounds like the Pirate front office has taken over.
December 24th, 20098:28 am
Like said lousy trade we gave yankees a pitcher to help them repeat great job wren who u sleep with bobby cox again….hey folks get u season tickets for 2011 now
December 24th, 20098:32 am
Nice picture, DOB. But Lee “Six Million Dollar Man” Majors sure has gone to seed. He really needs a haircut, and does not wear a cowboy hat well.
December 24th, 20098:33 am
Ok Kevin, we get tickets for 2011 now, even though its not even 2010 yet.
NC Braves Fan
December 24th, 20098:38 am
John Tucker – Derek Lowe for Gary Matthews Jr? Really? REALLY?
Seriously, it’s too early to tell about the Vazquez trade. This much we do know, however – the Braves in effect traded one year of Vaz for three years of Huddy (and at a reduced price).
THAT’S the “trade” that matters most … and based on history, it was a smart one for the Braves to make.
December 24th, 20098:40 am
Wow, it’s really hard keeping up with the blog – 5 pages of posts already.
DOB, happy holidays. Thanks for all of your hard work this year. Much appreciated.
December 24th, 20098:41 am
I think that Wren is looking at what made the braves successful in the 90’s. Great pitching and good defense. I think he is working with limited resources and trying to be competitive next year but the real prize will come two or three years down the road. The fans got spoiled with postseasons coming automatically. Look at the 03 series with the cubs when turner field was wrigley south. Success was taken for granted. You have to keep in mind what the team went through before the run. They were insignificant for a long time.
I think you sell high with JV because his career suggests that he will not repeat last year. You also don’t sell low with Lowe (sorry couldn’t help it). His career suggests that he will be a solid pitcher. He may not set the world on fire and his contract suggests that he should but he will keep chugging along.
If Glaus can even put up his 08 numbers, he will be a good pick up. If Hudson and Wagner can go without setbacks, we should be in good shape. I don’t see Chipper cranking out .360 seasons again but I also don’t see his career crashing in the end. He is too much of a solid player to go totally at once without injury.
I am hoping that this year works out for them. Last year we had pitching and a severe hitting slump. In 08 we had hitting but had a MASH unit rotation. Just hoping everyone can stay relatively healthy and avoid career altering slumps. Have a merry christmas, a happy new year and safe travels.
Steve from OH, your 8:52pm from the last blog was spot on. Great post.
December 24th, 20098:42 am
if the incentive total is 6mil which was the first estimate, then they have to budget 6 mil, which eats up most of that 8mil savings
Yup, nolie. I thought the same thing too. Although maybe we do have a bit more to spend?
December 24th, 20098:43 am
DOB – thanks, dude, for keeping us as up-to-date as anyone could on the moves the Braves are making. You do a fantastic job! Enjoy the snow at Whistler.
To my fellow regular and semi-regular bloggers, have a safe and Merry Christmas! It’s been fun this year.
December 24th, 20098:52 am
Efrim, using that logic it would mean we only have about 2mil left. Let’s say we wanted to sign DeRosa or Nady at 6mil, Cabrera and his projected 4mil will have to be traded.
December 24th, 20098:54 am
I kinda like the idea of a 3rd catcher at low salary. So Ross fills the pinch hitter role and we don’t use much $ in the process. And Cox has some late inning fleexibility with 3 catchers. Not sure if many teams do this, most don’t have a 2nd catcher with punch like Ross, allowing the mix to work.
So, plugging this hole at major league minimum and plugging a utility infielder spot at minimum with Thurston, we seem to still have 6-8M to burn on the remaining roster spot, even with all of Glaus’s incentives budgeted.
Love the creative move for Glaus. If you can get him to play 150, you can pencil him in for 35 bombs. And after a day of adjusting to the Vazquez deal, I like it. Imagine, it’s as if we traded Diaz,O’Flaherty and Teheran for him. We’d be pissed if we made that deal, so I think it’s great in the we get probably the best 4th outfielder in baseball, a live young bullpen arm from the left side and a pitcher who would be a top 5 prospect (usually higher) in any organization.
Now I think Wren needs to and is going to make one more move this offseason. I think it’s going to involve one of these players Xavier Nady, Mark DeRosa, Jermaine Dye, Johnny Damon, Eric Hinske. Basically experienced guys w/ pop who can start in the OF and play good 1B in a pinch. I think in Wrens eyes Nady is his man, but Boras could wrangle up a mystery team to guarntee him some money and he could become to expensive. But I think Wren can bank on the fact the price is going to be pretty low due to his injury last year. So I think Xavier Nady is most likely to be the final addition.
The next 3 are sort of wildcards. Wren would be hoping they would take a discount to come to Atlanta. The most likely of these is DeRosa, but he’s looking for a good payday and he may get it from a team like the Giants. Damon could manufacture interest from the Braves in a similar way that Griffey did last year, but after looking how he left his beloved Boston for the evil empire…I don’t see Damon as the type if guy to take a discount and Wren has been pretty adament about how he prefers a right handed bat and w/ McLouth and McCann in the lineup and Heyward and Freeman waiting in the wings, this may deter him from grabbin’ a left even more so. With Dye, I think Wren would be afraid it could turn into Garret Anderson/Raul Mondesi/Brian Jordan part 4, and Dye would probably find a team like Texas who can pay him more than the Braves would be comfortable doing. But if they Rangers land Vlad…ya never know. And I think if Wren comes up short on these 4 for a myriad of reasons, he’ll try and land the poor man’s version of them, Eric Hinske. Again, however, like Damon, he is a lefty, but after the previous 4 he is the best option.
Let’s see what Wren can get done after New Years. My money is on Xavier Nady, our new LF,backup 1B and 6th place hitter.
December 24th, 20098:56 am
The last thing you want to do, Wren said, was to not offer arbitration and get nothing when a free agent left for another team.
And that’s why I like Frank Wren.
I just wanted to wish you, Wayne, Nolie, N8, CB, Efrim and all the other Brave fanatics, and ever Lentz,Paul…a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year..Let’s hope all (except for Anders and a few other naysayers) wake up to Matt Holliday or Marlon Byrd or any live bat (maybe Hank Blaylock to back up Chipper and Glaus) in your stocking..
December 24th, 20098:57 am
What it takes to get Dang Uggla from Marlins? Line up with him and Prado backing up 3B and 1B is a line up no one dare to play against Braves in 2010. I say GO for it. Offer Cabrera, Omar Infante + minor leaguer.
DOB its been a interesting, informative, head scratching, and sometimes down right hilarious time on here this year. We now look to close the door on 2009 .
And we want to close that door for sure, whew, what a year in Brovo land!
Hope you and your family have a safe and Merry Christmas
December 24th, 20099:02 am
I have a feeling Glaus is going to have a decent year. He has a lot to prove to get another contract after this season.
18 Wheels of Love
December 24th, 20099:03 am
DOB, great year end stuff. Fun to read for sure.
I’m fine with Wren being bold and certain in his moves. I pretty much like and agree with all of them, and of course their are a few that early on you shake your head but then realize that he is also trying to stack the deck for the future. Obviously he is trying to stock pile arms to either trade or hope they pan out into a newer version of Maddux/Glavine/Smoltz. Speaking of the trio, I am fine with not re-signing Smoltz and letting Glavine go. Someone had to do it, and in both cases it was the right move. I just think if Wren had offered up a confetti parade, it would have been a better PR move than how they were handled. And here’s to hoping Glavine ends up in the big office and that Maddux comes back this spring. I will make the drive down for that.
Last thing on Wren…had his missed opportunities not been so public (you remember Griffey right? He he), we wouldn’t be talking about it much. But alas they became public and here we are. Some of JS’s missed trades have become public in recent years and the one where he traded for Bonds and woke up the next morning to find out Leyland nixed it would have been a huge PR nightmare if it had happened present day. I’d like to see Wren hold his cards a little closer to the vest. Seems everyone knew our motivation going into the offseason.
One thing not mentioned much on here was the Spanish paper that quoted Vaz as saying he turned down a trade to the Angels….wonder if that was for Rivera? Might be worth looking into.
I like the risks with Glaus and Wagner. I think they are fairly safe risks. I would have thought long and hard about letting Huddy walk and resigning Vaz. That’s a tough one but I don’t think you can go wrong either way unless Huddy hurts the arm again. ANd I can understand making that call based on both pitchers track record.
One concern though does have to be the amount of repaired arms and shoulders we have. Glaus, Wagner, Saito, Huddy and even rubber arm Moylan, all recent surgeries. And if we add Nady….that could be a disaster waiting to happen.
Man, I think I might have bought 12 CD’s this year. Actually, make that downloaded. I can’t find CD’s anymore, not even in the big box stores. One of my local Buy More’s (Best Buy to you non-Chuck fans) didn’t even have DBT’s on the shelf! I’m a big fan of the DBT and Patterson releases, but I really dig The Monsters of Folk. Temazcal might be my song of the year, which is strange for me because I usually like the rocking stuff more. Still sore I didnt go see their NYC show when I was there.
Looking forward to 2010. Could be a good decade for our team if these pitchers pan out, and Wren comes across a few boppers.
And cheers to you for writing articles, game stories, trade stories, and keeping up with the blog like you do…regardless of what Susan in OH says about the sauce. Hey Susan, it’s authentic, and it’s spectacular!
December 24th, 20099:04 am
CB, I think it’s probably more of what DOB said it was. 7-9 million left to spend. I’m thinking they could afford Mark Derosa, Xavier Nady, or even a trade for Dan Uggla.
December 24th, 20099:07 am
Glaus signing for 1B = D Hoosier
wow that’s hard to understand. he has more potential upside than anybody else they were discussing and he is cheap. Great pick up IMO.
Here is my reason for the D Grade…
We have the pitching staff to contend – many teams can’t say that right now. We have to take advantage of that luxury.
To be brutally honest, we have a lot of holes & question marks.
Mac & Yuney – are Mac & Yuney….without eye issues or injuries we’re in good shape.
McLouth is a very good everyday CF – not worried at all about him.
Prado – I THINK we’re in good shape…we shall see, a few years ago we handed 3B to DeRosa…didn’t work so well….he since has developed into what we thought he could be.
Chipper – Will we get the Batting Champion Chipper or the 2009 Chipper who is ready to retire? Or we could get 125 games of the Battting Champion Chipper and 37 games of Omar….Omar is fine but not Chipper.
Diaz – I really like Diaz but we’ve never been comfortable enough to give him the fulltime job. He is a hitting machine. But it now appears he will platoon (again) with Melky.
I guess we’re giving RF to Heyward. Don’t misunderstand – I made a trip to Lexington, Ky a couple years ago to see Heyward play with Rome. My first reaction upon seeing him up close was “YIKES”.
When you see his first swing you say, “MVP”. Yes, sure things miss…..however, I truly do not believe Heyward is a miss. I believe he is an MVP waiting to happen. Daryl Strawberry with brains.
He was very polite when my boys approached for an autograph. He will represent the Atlanta Braves and his family very well. I wish I knew what number he’s gonna be wearing because we’d be wearing our Heyward jerseys NOW.
HOWEVER, will he be able to make an impact in 2010 or will it be 2011?
With all that being said, I think we needed more of a “sure thing” at first base.
When Troy Glaus takes the field for the first time wearing his tomahawk – I’ll be cheering like crazy for his success. I just don’t think we can afford a swing and a miss at first base this year.
Just for the record, don’t forget about Cody Johnson – I do believe he’ll be our LF in a couple of years.
December 24th, 20099:10 am
If we got Nady, what do you think the opening day lineup would look like–assuming Heyward starts the year in AAA?
I think you need to keep Yuni in the 5/6 spot to punch in some runs.
December 24th, 20099:11 am
Tim hudson is waaaaaaaaaaaay better than jv .Derek lowe will rebound .for the next three years at least our pitching is set hudson, dlowe,jj,hanson.Glaus will play 120 games hit 270 23 88
December 24th, 20099:12 am
If the Braves are not done, wouldn’t you have to assume they will move Melky Cabrera? The only open spot is one OF spot.
Anyway you look at it, if we can add one more potent bat, say a Nady, then I believe that we have a decent lineup. We might not have multiple guys that can hit 30HR+, but we have some 20HR+ guys that hit for average and extra base hits.
The GM’s work can never be measured by a single move, trade or FA signing, but always by the entirety of his work (40 man roster and ML prospects). To rate it vs. others it must first be compared to ehose with similar budgets. The high end NY/Bos and low end Pitt/KC have no meaning when compared to upper middle. The upper middle must make some of the moves that both the upper and lower ends use to put the best product together. FW has done just that. Clearly the franchise assets are better now than they were when he assumed his position, they are better now than they were at the beginning of 2009 season, and will likely be better than they were at any time last year before the All Star break. That being said, FW has done a great job with what he has to work with in the way of budgets. If former Brave greats has been ticked off along the way, so be it. If that is his largest failing I am on board.
wonder who the opening day starter will be hudson or lowe
December 24th, 20099:14 am
MERRY CHRISTMAS BRAVES FANS, ATLEAST WHAT FEW ARE LEFT
December 24th, 20099:16 am
wren’s offseason: B
1. signing wagner and saito before knowing if soriano and gonzalez will accept arbitration: C
2. trading vazquez for 2 prospects and melky cabrera: would’ve rather had 3 prospects, especially if melky is used more than a 4th outfielder: C-
3. Signing Troy Glaus on the cheap: A
4. Signing Mitch Jones: A
5, Re-tooling without selling the farm: A
6. Getting something semi-useful for soriano: B
On future moves:
If “big” moves are over, it sure would be nice for wren to go out and sign gary sheffield to come off the bench. in all seriousness, i think the braves will end up using their extra money to sign derosa or trade for uggla. with both corners being injury proned players, derosa provides much needed versatilty with a less dropoff of power that omar infante would provide. uggla only provides flexibility because prado provides flexibility. my guess at the 25 man roster on opening day:
rotation (the obvious 5)
December 24th, 20099:17 am
I would assume Hudson. My guess on the rotation:
December 24th, 20099:18 am
I asked for the rise and fall of wcw for christmas remember when wcw nitro was on tnt and braves games was on tbs.
December 24th, 20099:20 am
I remember when Raw and Nitro were on at the same time. Where I lived they were one channel apart so I used to flip back and forth.
Ywah thats what i thought too. he could give it to lowe, he is a big game pitcher or maybe jj
December 24th, 20099:21 am
New Cars, thanks. I always read and enjoy your posts. One of the things my wife and I did this year was to purchase a small RV and we are looking forward in March to a trip to Braves Spring Training. Can’t wait, I have always dreamed of spending time there,wife will have to drag me away,kicking and screaming,lol.
I think it’s too early to grade the Javy trade a C-. Let’s see how Javy does this season. I think Javy is going to have a tough time in the AL East, especially in Yankee Stadium.
I used to hate raw it was like the yankees or the mets
December 24th, 20099:23 am
I liked Raw, but Nitro stole a lot of the talent. I liked Dean Malenko and Rey Mysterio. When I watched it about 11-13 years ago was when I first remember NWO coming into the picture.
J avy trade a c for now but i think in two years atleast a b
December 24th, 20099:25 am
When Hogan went to wcw Thats when it got good,Real good
December 24th, 20099:26 am
Just quickly browsing a few pages of comments I noticed that some on here are defending the rotation by saying they may be better than last year’s. OK, better how? Talent, wins, ERA? Let’s start with Lowe. It is hoped he will be better than last year and that he has righted the ship. His 15 wins were in part due to increased run support over say Vazquez. Vazquez with the same support may have won the Cy Young. Lowe’s ceiling is still at 15 wins if he pitches better without inflated run support.
Now we get to Hudson. I am going to look at Hudson in the glass half full scenario. Can he replace Vazquez’z K’s-absolutely not, but he certainly has the chance to get somewhere close to 15 wins. Again, he is similar in style to Lowe which won’t replace Vazquez’s power pitching but I will give him the benefit of the doubt and say he will pitch injury free in 2010. Wren may come out looking great here but signing Hudson and trading Vazquez as far as pitching goes for 2010 is a huge gamble. Let’s see how it plays out. At least with Hudson and KK we have the back end of the rotation strong. I will assume we get stellar years again from JJ and Hanson. No reason to think otherwise.
December 24th, 20099:29 am
Pro-Wren or Anti-Wren, we need to all agree on 1 thing: $92-$95 million should be enough to field a winner. Some of y’all make the Braves payroll sound like the Marlins’ restrictions.
If that’s not enough, raid the front offices of the Twins or the Marlins to find someone that would act as if they hit the lottery with that amount of money and let him build a playoff team.
December 24th, 20099:30 am
Not at all unlike last season, 2010 will be full of “ifs” – none that I’m sure haven’t been brought up already – that will decide on how well Wren’s done.
Assuming the same production from the line up as last year, Glaus is the key. Can he play an adequate 1st base? Can he still hit for power (esp in the Ted)? We’ll just have to see.
Re: the top 50 – huge indie-rock omission – Cymbals Eat Guitars (check out the track ….And The Hazy Sea for a sample).
Merry Christmas Braves fans!
December 24th, 20099:31 am
Starting Rotation for 2010? Way too early but since you asked. On paper it should be: JJ, Hanson, Lowe, Hudson, KK. You can flip-flop Lowe and Hudson but if you are going on talent we saw from last year then JJ or Hanson gets the opening nod. My guess is JJ.
December 24th, 20099:32 am
Love The Iron Chef coming in at No. 3.
I liked and agreed with both Sheehan and Karhl. Sheehan’s was more of a macroeconomic analysis, while Kahrl’s was more microeconomic analysis. You can say given the system as it is (or owners as they are), this is a good transaction as Karhl did. You can also say that something is wrong with the system (or owners) as Sheehan did. And both positions to me are right. Pretty good complimentary pieces if you ask me, although they don’t seem complimentary at first glance. Great job by Baseball Prospectus running those pieces back to back.
Yes, I like the job Frank Wren is doing. He has to take risks, and he takes interesting ones.
He moves quickly, and doesn’t look back. Sometimes, that can bit you, but in general, I think it works out well.
IMO, he is exactly the type of GM we need to off-set the extreme loyalties of Bobby Cox.
Which brings me to . . .
let’s see how Frank does choosing the Braves next manager. Talk about polarizing a fan base!
December 24th, 20099:34 am
Ryan C…agree on DeRosa for his versatility. Will teh Braves be willing to go multiple years? DeRosa is looking for that.
December 24th, 20099:36 am
I like our rotation going into next year, A LOT. Is it better than what we had this year, only time will tell. But what I can tell you is this:
We will have Huddy back for a full year
We will have Hanson up for a whole year.
Lowe is sure to bounce back, he always does.
KK, second year in the Majors, will be good, not that he was all that bad last year.
Jurrjens, what else can you say about the kid, he is just that good.
Just the fact that we will have Tommy and Huddy for a whole year is enough to cover the wins that Javy would have gotten, and if we get another bat, I am sure we have enough offense for our starters to each have about 15 or more wins.
December 24th, 20099:37 am
LF Cabrera (Best numbers come from when he bats Leadoff. 290. Avg. 372. OBP. career)
RF Heyward (Chipper behind him benifits him defintly later in games)
LF Diaz (kills leftys as we know)
If we add another good platoon type player we’ll have so much flexibility. With alot if’s with performance and health issues wouldnt be a bad idea to add another 1B/OF type.
This offseason we spent over 10 mil on bullpen and then saved 8 mil on Trading Vasquez and answer back with filling our big bat need by spending 2 mil…….. gots to be some insurance with another player coming soon. But it would cause a log jam unless Heyward starts in AAA.
Oh yeah, my top album for 2009, for the 40th straight year it is Led Zeppelin I. Thanks for asking. Rock on……….
December 24th, 20099:38 am
Rock on….. I think the Braves would go 2 years with him, cause think about it, they could tell him he would get a lot of playing time, he would sign, then when Heyward is ready, he is a super utility player the next year.
Sid Bream Viscous
DOB, did Billy Joe pull some 12 year old kid on stage again, and turn the mic over to a random bozo in the audience during such calssics as Ride Me Down Easy and Live Forever? Last time I saw him at Eddie’s, that was the case… and it was a little silly.
As for Frank Wren: overall a great job. I have a feeling he’s not finished yet, and signing the former Roid-raging 3B could end up being pretty good, since he can certainly spell Chipper from time to time as well. Just don’t make him mad — he’ll slap your head off.
1) I know I am not the only one, but BRING DEROSA BACK…and call it an off-season! He gives the Braves the insurance they need with Glaus and Chipper, and will play 5 out of 7 days, all over the field. Will hit about the same as Nady and can play 2nd and 3rd base. Plus he’s still one of my all-time favorite Braves!
2) I don’t know why everyone is about trading McLouth. Love that guy and is probably the best option at lead-off, other than possibly Diaz, but I like him better down in the line-up, personally.
3) After signing DeRosa, possibly listen to offers for Melky, possibly not.
But I love the versatility of a line-up with DeRosa in the mix.
There are a lot of interchangeable parts here!
December 24th, 20099:40 am
Braveheart, haven’t seen you post in a while. Hope all is well. What did you think of the trade, and/or the offseason as a whole for the Braves?
I think its funny how no one wants to play for the Mets anymore.
My top 10 of 2009
1. The Ruminant Band: Fruit Bats
2. Monsters Of Folk: Monsters Of Folk
3. It’s Frightening: White Rabbits
4. I and Love and You: Avett Brothers
5. The Rose Hotel: Robert Earl Keen
6. Logos: Atlas Sound
7. Veckatimest: Grizzly Bear
8. Up From Below: Edward Sharpe and Magnetic Zeros
9. What Will Be: Devendra Banhart
10. Written in Chalk: Buddy and Julie Miller
December 24th, 20099:42 am
At the severe risk of being a suckup, DOB’s blog is far superior to those done by Braves beat writers Wayne Minshew and Wilt Browning back in the sixties. Merry Christmas.
December 24th, 20099:43 am
O.J…..I feel they would also but not certain at about 7 mil per year. Just posed the thought that that could be a sticking point with Derosa. Agree with you on his attributes to the team.
Rock On: With the rotation, I’m sure they will protect Hanson a bit in terms of innings. He’s young so let’s not pile up the innings early in his career. I think #5 is the only definite slot in Kawakami.
December 24th, 20099:44 am
jon712, I agree. Blogs really were terrible back in the 60’s.
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