nolie, who did they determine was the #1 prospect? Soph
This year’s number one pick,
1. Stephen Strasburg, rhp, Nationals
WHY HE’S HERE: The No. 1 overall pick in the 2009 draft showed why he has all that hype, showing three premium pitches in the Arizona Fall League. His fastball reaches 100 mph, his slider has devastating power and movement, and his changeup has flashes of brilliance, even at 90 mph.
WHAT HE’LL BE: The face of the Nationals and a No. 1 starter.
WHEN HE ARRIVES: The Nats will be tempted to push their best arm to the majors quickly, but should be able to resist until the second half of 2010 at the least. If he’s not in the majors on Opening Day 2011, it will be a major upset.
2. Jason Heyward, of, Braves
WHY HE’S HERE: The 2009 Minor League Player of the Year has exceptional hitting skills, making consistent, hard contact and showing impressive power. He’s evoked comparisons to Dave Parker with his overall athleticism and long, powerful frame.
WHAT HE’LL BE: The Atlanta native is poised to take Chipper Jones’ mantle as the Braves’ franchise player, starting with hitting in the No. 3 hole.
WHEN HE ARRIVES: Unless Atlanta brings in a corner outfielder this offseason, Heyward should hit his way into the lineup in 2010.
3. Mike Stanton, of, Marlins
WHY HE’S HERE: No one in the minors combines Stanton’s athletic ability and physicality with his sheer power.
WHAT HE’LL BE: Stanton is a bigger, stronger version of Marlins special assistant Andre Dawson. He has 40-homer potential and fits the right-field profile perfectly.
WHEN HE ARRIVES: The Marlins haven’t been shy about promoting prospects aggressively, but Stanton struggled a bit in Double-A last season. If he struggles at first in his first big league action in 2010, don’t give up on him.
Atlanta manager Bobby Cox is headed into his 29th and final season of filling out big-league managerial cards. He has led his teams to a record 15 first-place finishes — including the first in Blue Jays history in 1985 — and guided the Braves to a division title a professional-record 14 consecutive seasons.
Can the Braves reward him with a 16th division title as an encore to his career?
The Philadelphia Phillies have certainly set the bar high in the NL East.
The groundwork for what will happen in the summer of 2010 is being established this offseason.
A mid-winter look at how NL teams have done in addressing their needs:
National League East
Philadelphia: The Phillies have made it known that their focus is on today. They had former Cy Young winner Roy Halladay No. 1 on their wish list last summer but couldn’t reach an agreement with Toronto and settled for left-hander Cliff Lee to help in the stretch drive. With a change of management in Toronto after the season, the Phillies were able to finally land Halladay. They then sent Lee to Seattle for prospects, helping offset the fact they had given up seven of their top 10 prospects in the two trades.
General manager Ruben Amaro also addressed roster needs by signing free agents Placido Polanco to replace Pedro Feliz at third base, and catcher Brian Schneider and infielder Juan Castro for backup roles. Now, if he can fill a couple bullpen slots, the offseason will be complete.
Atlanta: The Braves no longer have the largess of an owner like Ted Turner, so general manager Frank Wren has to take gambles to get the Braves back to the top of the division. He dealt right-handed pitcher Javier Vazquez to the Yankees for outfielder Melky Cabrera and pitching prospects Mike Dunn, a lefty, and Arodys Vizcaino, a right-hander, and just as importantly opened up roughly $8 million of payroll to address other needs. The first step was signing Troy Glaus, a projected first baseman, for a one-year, $2 million deal in the third gamble the Braves have taken this offseason on a 30-something health risk. Earlier, the Braves signed relievers Billy Wagner, a lefty, and Takashi Saito, a right-hander.
The Braves feel the remaining $6 million in savings will bring in a quality right-handed bat but admit that they can’t stretch the budget far enough to make a serious bid for one of the two free-agent middle-of-the-lineup bats — Jason Bay and Matt Holliday.
New York: The Mets have a major void behind Johan Santana in the rotation, but they’re talking out of both sides of their mouth by saying the payroll lacks room for a John Lackey, who signed with Boston, or Halladay. They were close to a three-year deal on right-handed pitcher Jason Marquis, but health concerns led them to rethink that pursuit and now the most likely target is Joel Pineiro.
In the next breath, however, the Mets indicate they will open the checkbook, taking the lead in the bidding for Bay and catcher Bengie Molina, who they hope will help them regain control of a clubhouse gone bad.
Florida: The Marlins are in their annual offseason payroll reduction. They need low-cost relievers to fill voids made by the decisions to cut ties with relievers Matt Lindstrom, Kiko Calero and Brendan Donnelly for fiscal reasons. They have not found any takers yet for second baseman Dan Uggla and his $7 million salary and remain in search of an answer to the first base question.
Washington: The Nationals want to show fans they care and will spend money. Fresh off the signing of No. 1 draft pick Stephen Strasburg, the Nationals gave aging catcher Ivan Rodriguez a two-year contract, stepped into the Marquis bidding and came away the offseason winner with a two-year, $15 million deal and beat out the Cubs in signing reliever Matt Capps to a one-year deal.
First-year general manager Mike Rizzo also has another starting pitcher on his offseason shopping list, wanting to make sure there is enough pitching depth that the Nationals resist the temptation to rush Strasburg and Drew Storen, their other pick from among the first 10 selections in last June’s draft.
He sure was! And thanks for that other video! Too cute and funny…
We’ve been seeing a lot of deer in our Woods lately. Finally saw a buck, too! He was a four-pointer or a six-pointer–can’t remember. We tried to get some photos of him, but they didn’t turn out too good.
I don’t know why Wren wants another stinkin pitcher, but listening to him this morning on XM radio from his vacation spot he seems to be taking a hard look at this fella for an emergency type pitcher:
Would you ever do Hanson for Braun straight up? Braveforlife
I would do that trade in a second. Of course Milwaukee wouldn’t, but I certainly would and I’ll tell you why.
Steve Avery
In 1993 Steve Avery won 18 games for Atlanta and was at least tied for the best pitcher on the team. If he hadn’t have gotten hurt, people would be talking about Smoltz, Glavine, Maddux and Avery and they all would have gone into the Hall of Fame eventually. But Avery got hurt and never won 10 games for the Braves again.
Just think if the Braves had a premonition and had decided to trade Avery. The Pirates were going to lose Barry Bonds (to free agency) and they probably would have traded Bonds for Avery straight up. There is no telling how many World Series the Braves would have won if Bonds had been in the middle of the order during their run. But it would have been more than one.
Apply that to the Braun (who is in the Hanley Ramirez category) and Hanson would be a Brewer in a minute.
Tremendous day on the slopes here at Whistler. And no lines. Lot of people apparently scared off for fear of big crowds before Olympic. But the ones that are here … what scenery. Lots of Europeans. Record amounts of snow past couple months have left a ridiculously good base,and it’s not even cold here this week (relatively speaking, of course). It’s actually warmer here at top of mountain than down in the village right now. Because of temperature inversion. You sure don’t get that in Colorado….
KC: I agree with you about Prado, to an extent. If Braves did get Uggla, they could play him at 2B (Uggla would prefer to stay there), even if his D is a bit weak there, and Prado could play multiple positions. But only if they are ready to let him play some in the OF. Between even given the health or age issues at 1B and 3B, there’s still a chance that Chipper and Glaus each play 140 or more games, which wouldn’t leave many starts for Prado at those spots. Now, if they’re comfortable with him playing the OF, then that might work. Particularly if they use Melky C. in the trade to get Uggla….
Coach B: No worries, sir. And I appreciate the participation…
DOB… You are rude and condescending to the people who support you. It’s weird… Don’t tell me “but he was rude! — Good Blog However at 6:19 a.m.
OK, GBH, I won’t say “but he was rude.” Actually, I don’t even know who you’re talking about, so it wouldn’t make much sense of me to tell you that. And besides, I can’t remember saying that to defend any of my comments. Because I don’t feel the need to. You don’t like any or many of said comments? Oh, well.
Urban will reenter coaching in the NFL once he figures out where Tebow lands.
Jacksonville! He’s supposed to increase ticket sales – I highly doubt that would happen though. They’re a playoff contender and they still have trouble with ticket sales. I don’t know if Tebow would change that.
seems like the braves want to keep melky as a 4th outfielder. how about diaz or prado for uggla? gotta move diaz if the braves want to add another bat, especially if heyward has a shot at opening day
Chris: considering Diaz’s numbers against the Marlins and particularly at whatever they’re calling that stadium in South Florida, one could certainly see where the Marlins might be interested in him….
Haaaa, McFann that was the one I was trying to paste the link for. It must’ve linked to the fat cat instead. The one with the Christmas tree was hilarious. That poor kitty jumped a mile when the tree started dancing and singing.
I’m so sick of hearing about Tebow this Tebow that. He’s the Bret Favre of college football.
chris, what a shame it would be if Prado goes in any trade. I wouldn’t do it, even for Uggla and his 30 bombs he’ll give you. You agree? Prado is an exciting player that does it the right way, like Diaz. I guess the Yankees and their fans viewed Cabrera that way from everything I’ve read. Of course, we have spark plugs in Prado and Diaz so we’ll be alright if M.C. were to get dealt.
IF one of Diaz or Prado needed to go in a trade than I guess Diaz would be my odd man out.
diaz has raked against the marlins. and most teams know that he can flat out hit the ball. with heyward coming up, and melky able to play all three outfield positions with solid defense, maybe the braves could move diaz to maybe get a bit of an upgrade on hitting power over diaz.
Wait, what? Why are we talking about trading Prado for Uggla? Prado is better at every facet of the game except homers. I’d take 15 less home runs in exchange for .50 more on the average, better plate discipline, and far superior defense. Thank you.
Marc in FL- i agree with you. in fact, i really dont see the braves making another move to improve the offense with diaz on the roster, melky’s versatility, and heyward potential starting job on opening day, but again, anything can happen.
jeffrey d….regarding your 10:07 posting (sorry I am in a mood!)…The Cat was once one of those…but age has caught up to him and he is very slim now…He is now quite our elder!
siap, but the article from ken rosenthal about the possibility of uggla to the braves is old…. like before the glaus deal old. not sure if that changes things or not… just pointing it out.
DOB keeps mentioning uggla though in his posts… so maybe he thinks there is a good chance of landing him. i know i would love to have his power in our lineup.
Do I understand this correctly? Because of Steve Avery KeyLargo would trade a pitcher (11-4 W-L, 2.89 ERA, 1.12 WHIP) for a fielder (113 R, 32 HR, 114 RBI, 20 SB, .551 SLG, .937 OPS) in a heart beat.
Thus, it would seem that he would have traded (in 1989) a pitcher (12-11 W-L, 2.94 ERA, 1.12 WHIP) for a fielder (104 R, 36 HR, 101 RBI, 41 SB, .928 OPS, .559 SLG), correct? Because of Steve Avery.
Nolie, I agree, I would rather have the better avg and OPS over 30 HRs. And no way I think we should be in on Uggla. I believe we can sign a FA LFer that will give us close to Uggla’s production, better LF defense and better OPS. I say sign Nady or Ankiel and trade Melky for the best 3rd base prospect we can get… GO BRAVES.
I know what you meant PTBNL…(KC perhaps)…But people don’t remember that Avery left b/c of personal reason’s…his first kid was borne pre-mature and that took lot out of him…not really due to injury…
You are correct. I didn’t know that was the reason either. I didn’t have a TV back then and certainly not the Internet. So I was not aware of much going on in baseball back then. But that really underlines what I am saying. That reason or injury can happen to position players as well… or even for a player to do very well for a couple of years when they first come to the Show only to fizzle out very quickly. It could be that Braun would go down and Hanson would not. That is what I was trying to illustrate — that Avery is not a good reason to make that trade.
Yeah, Avery was not hurt physically, just a mentally…and those are the toughest to overcome…But I get the meaning….Avery was the equivalent of Hanson at that age and his value at the time…unlimited…But I honestly think that that a RHP with a plus fastball in the upper 90’s should be more highly regraded….But that is my opinion only….
The best college coaching job today, and a coach at the top of his game. I for one will hope for the best for Urban Meyer. I admire a person who will make the right decision, regardless of the ramifications!
In 1991, Avery went 18-8 while finishing in 6th place for the Cy Young Award. The next year he declined a bit as he went 11-11 but then thrived in 1993 by going 18-6 and earning his lone trip to the All-star game.
Unfortunately Avery suffered an injury to his pitching arm in late 1993 and he would never be able to recover the success he had for the Braves. Prior to the injury Avery had a regular season record of 48-36, but after coming back from his injury he managed to go just 44-50. Many blame the heavy workload and pressure to perform as the Braves’ 4th starter for his breakdown. WordPress
I admire a person who will make the right decision, regardless of the ramifications!
You mean like calling timeouts to rub in a blowout?
If this is legit “health and family” problems, then yeah, I really hope he can get everything worked out. I just hope it’s not so he can coach in the NFL or something. Looking at his head coaching record, he coached for two years at Bowling Green, then left for a better job in Utah. Then he coached for two years and left for a better job in Florida. And I’m not condemning the man. If there’s a better job out there, you take it.
Uggla’s power would be nice but he’s not worth overpaying for. To me Nady would be a better option than Uggla but either one would be beneficial for this lineup.
Some of you may not like this, but this is the way that I see the rest of the off season to end:
The outfield starters consist of Diaz, McLouth and Cabrera (until June, when Heyward is called up)
The bench is rounded out with additions of Fernando Tatis (switch hitter) and Aubrey Huff (left hander).
This allows payroll flexibility for in-season moves (moving Melky and prospects, perhaps) when teams decide that they can’t compete and wish to dump payroll on players entering FA at the end of the season.
This is not my ideal scenario, mind you, I’m simply speculating on what I feel Wren will do to field a marginally competitve team. Playoff possibility, if everyone plays to their potential. WS? No way!
The negative to Glaus and Uggla is the amount of strikeouts you’ll have in the middle of the order. But with two legit power hitters, Chipper and McCann won’t have to feel the pressure to swing for power. Chipper can go back to ‘08 where he was hitting the pitch where it was thrown. He didn’t try to do to much. That would be a positive to having Uggla.
Nady however will probably hit 5-10 HR less than Uggla but have a much higher average.
believe we can sign a FA LFer that will give us close to Uggla’s production, better LF defense and better OPS. I say sign Nady or Ankiel and trade Melky for the best 3rd base prospect we can get… Colorado
the only thing there is I don’t see where they have room to sign another OFer since they usually carry 4 real ones and some spare parts guys. Nady would work cause he can play first too, and DeRo fits really well except for too high/long a salary. I’m not even sure I think they will add another bigger piece. We’ll see,.
BTW where in Colorado do you live?
P’cola Brave, I agree that any one of Uggla or Nady would benefit the lineup, throw DeRosa in there too. I just honestly think the next hitter, if they get one, will be through a trade & Uggla seems the most realistic from my view.
Hey, I’m sorry I keep posting all this because it seems like I’ve done this at least twice a day for the last week or so, but I think I’m hoping more than anything. I’d hate to see all our good pitching go to waste again.
jeffrey d., love that scene from Dumb & Dumber, but when the blind kid is petting a dead bird with its head duct taped on is the best one.
Alright, gotta go… talk at ya’ll tomorrow some time.
Interesting how things go in baseball. In 1999 Tatis hit 30 some homers and 100RBi and looked like a surefire star Missed a lot of time the next two years and ever came close to 99 again.Now he’s discussed as a mid-winter sub. One never knows, do one?
Nady is the best fit but when Bay and Holliday are gone his market will pick up drastically so I’m sure Boras isn’t close to talking seriously for him. Dero needs to drop his money a little bit. A two year deal is reasonable for him but no more than that. Throw an option on there if itll get it done.
Name a better coaching job in all of football, college or pro. Yeah, I think UM’s statement is legit. Look for him to take a year or two off, and then get back in the game somewhere……Notre Dame???
Wren has a lot of options right now. Not everyone agreed with moving Vazquez, but it’s hard to judge the trade right now. I say that because Wren has yet to spend the money saved from Vazquez & he may very well flip Melky/Dunn in exchange for another player.
I’m sure another move is coming, maybe several moves. If they sign Nady/Derosa then I think there almost has to be another trade involving Melky. Heyward is going to be here this season although it may not be until June. No way they carry 5 outfielders when Prado/Infante can cover out there as well. One thing is for sure the Braves are looking a little more versatile with their defense & they are not done adding players.
The bench should be very strong this season & that should not be underestimated when considering the team’s overall make up. We all know the disaster named Greg Norton whose claim to fame was the walk. A strong bench is worth some wins, sometimes quite a few.
I’m not making predictions as far as who Wren gets to round this team out, but I’d say when he’s done we won’t be able to complain too much. To this point he’s added prospects this off season, which is a plus considering the amount of talent that left the farm system over the past 3 seasons. Much of that was by JS in the Tex trade, but somehow Wren catches hell for that trade when it wasn’t even his. I applaud his for keeping the majority of the top talent & adding to it with the Vazquez deal.
I know Glaus is a gamble, as is Huddy in a way, but those are gambles worth taking. Huddy is an ACE & there isn’t any reason to believe he won’t return to form. Glaus is a huge run producer when healthy & he is signed for pennies.
P’cola Brave: i’m kinda sensing that nady is a more realistic option than derosa. but then again, not sure braves want to sign another bat that didnt play much last season. hearing DOB, saying they are still looking for another bat is kind of odd for the fact that heyward has a chance to start opening day and having diaz on the roster.
ColoradoBravesFan……in the clean-up spot, I’d rather have 30 homers than a high on base percentage.
Just like I’d rather have a pinch hitter who can hit a homer a few times a year…..then have a pinch hitter who walks all the time. Sure, if getting on base is nice. However you are wasting a valuable weapon off the bench if you never get any power from him.
Matt Stairs = low average and 5 pinch hit homers.
Greg Norton = low average and 0 pinch hit homers.
Do you guys really think DeRosa fits on a team like the Braves have right now?? I just don’t think we need to pay someone that money to be that average. He has never put up amazing numbers.I don’t know maybe I am wrong. Thoughts?
Hope they’re not jacking up the prices at Whistler for the Olympics. I suggest The Keg for a very good steak. A chain, but a good one as chains go.
Great DNC show tonight at The Tabernacle. Loved loved loved their cover of The Who’s “5:15.” Did a very unique version of “Jumpin Jack Flash” too. One of their best shows in a long, long time.
oh please no uggla! i was on the marlins blog and they sound like they would pretty much give him away. they dont like his defense or strikeouts. those fans would love us to take him away.
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Soph
December 26th, 2009
8:04 pm
nolie, who did they determine was the #1 prospect?
Tiger Woods
December 26th, 2009
8:13 pm
Straussburg “best pitching prospect ever”
SoWeGa Fanatic
December 26th, 2009
8:15 pm
Before he’s thrown his first professional pitch? I think that’s a reach.
BraveGuy
December 26th, 2009
8:15 pm
Soph
December 26th, 2009
8:04 pm
nolie, who did they determine was the #1 prospect?
Strasburg
nolie
December 26th, 2009
8:15 pm
nolie, who did they determine was the #1 prospect? Soph
This year’s number one pick,
1. Stephen Strasburg, rhp, Nationals
WHY HE’S HERE: The No. 1 overall pick in the 2009 draft showed why he has all that hype, showing three premium pitches in the Arizona Fall League. His fastball reaches 100 mph, his slider has devastating power and movement, and his changeup has flashes of brilliance, even at 90 mph.
WHAT HE’LL BE: The face of the Nationals and a No. 1 starter.
WHEN HE ARRIVES: The Nats will be tempted to push their best arm to the majors quickly, but should be able to resist until the second half of 2010 at the least. If he’s not in the majors on Opening Day 2011, it will be a major upset.
2. Jason Heyward, of, Braves
WHY HE’S HERE: The 2009 Minor League Player of the Year has exceptional hitting skills, making consistent, hard contact and showing impressive power. He’s evoked comparisons to Dave Parker with his overall athleticism and long, powerful frame.
WHAT HE’LL BE: The Atlanta native is poised to take Chipper Jones’ mantle as the Braves’ franchise player, starting with hitting in the No. 3 hole.
WHEN HE ARRIVES: Unless Atlanta brings in a corner outfielder this offseason, Heyward should hit his way into the lineup in 2010.
3. Mike Stanton, of, Marlins
WHY HE’S HERE: No one in the minors combines Stanton’s athletic ability and physicality with his sheer power.
WHAT HE’LL BE: Stanton is a bigger, stronger version of Marlins special assistant Andre Dawson. He has 40-homer potential and fits the right-field profile perfectly.
WHEN HE ARRIVES: The Marlins haven’t been shy about promoting prospects aggressively, but Stanton struggled a bit in Double-A last season. If he struggles at first in his first big league action in 2010, don’t give up on him.
Tiger Woods
December 26th, 2009
8:27 pm
I thought Mike Stanton was really old
nolie
December 26th, 2009
8:30 pm
Ringolsby on the NL East
Atlanta manager Bobby Cox is headed into his 29th and final season of filling out big-league managerial cards. He has led his teams to a record 15 first-place finishes — including the first in Blue Jays history in 1985 — and guided the Braves to a division title a professional-record 14 consecutive seasons.
Can the Braves reward him with a 16th division title as an encore to his career?
The Philadelphia Phillies have certainly set the bar high in the NL East.
The groundwork for what will happen in the summer of 2010 is being established this offseason.
A mid-winter look at how NL teams have done in addressing their needs:
National League East
Philadelphia: The Phillies have made it known that their focus is on today. They had former Cy Young winner Roy Halladay No. 1 on their wish list last summer but couldn’t reach an agreement with Toronto and settled for left-hander Cliff Lee to help in the stretch drive. With a change of management in Toronto after the season, the Phillies were able to finally land Halladay. They then sent Lee to Seattle for prospects, helping offset the fact they had given up seven of their top 10 prospects in the two trades.
General manager Ruben Amaro also addressed roster needs by signing free agents Placido Polanco to replace Pedro Feliz at third base, and catcher Brian Schneider and infielder Juan Castro for backup roles. Now, if he can fill a couple bullpen slots, the offseason will be complete.
Atlanta: The Braves no longer have the largess of an owner like Ted Turner, so general manager Frank Wren has to take gambles to get the Braves back to the top of the division. He dealt right-handed pitcher Javier Vazquez to the Yankees for outfielder Melky Cabrera and pitching prospects Mike Dunn, a lefty, and Arodys Vizcaino, a right-hander, and just as importantly opened up roughly $8 million of payroll to address other needs. The first step was signing Troy Glaus, a projected first baseman, for a one-year, $2 million deal in the third gamble the Braves have taken this offseason on a 30-something health risk. Earlier, the Braves signed relievers Billy Wagner, a lefty, and Takashi Saito, a right-hander.
The Braves feel the remaining $6 million in savings will bring in a quality right-handed bat but admit that they can’t stretch the budget far enough to make a serious bid for one of the two free-agent middle-of-the-lineup bats — Jason Bay and Matt Holliday.
New York: The Mets have a major void behind Johan Santana in the rotation, but they’re talking out of both sides of their mouth by saying the payroll lacks room for a John Lackey, who signed with Boston, or Halladay. They were close to a three-year deal on right-handed pitcher Jason Marquis, but health concerns led them to rethink that pursuit and now the most likely target is Joel Pineiro.
In the next breath, however, the Mets indicate they will open the checkbook, taking the lead in the bidding for Bay and catcher Bengie Molina, who they hope will help them regain control of a clubhouse gone bad.
Florida: The Marlins are in their annual offseason payroll reduction. They need low-cost relievers to fill voids made by the decisions to cut ties with relievers Matt Lindstrom, Kiko Calero and Brendan Donnelly for fiscal reasons. They have not found any takers yet for second baseman Dan Uggla and his $7 million salary and remain in search of an answer to the first base question.
Washington: The Nationals want to show fans they care and will spend money. Fresh off the signing of No. 1 draft pick Stephen Strasburg, the Nationals gave aging catcher Ivan Rodriguez a two-year contract, stepped into the Marquis bidding and came away the offseason winner with a two-year, $15 million deal and beat out the Cubs in signing reliever Matt Capps to a one-year deal.
First-year general manager Mike Rizzo also has another starting pitcher on his offseason shopping list, wanting to make sure there is enough pitching depth that the Nationals resist the temptation to rush Strasburg and Drew Storen, their other pick from among the first 10 selections in last June’s draft.
Piedmont Blues
December 26th, 2009
8:34 pm
Braves Fan No More,
So what other moves would you have made?
Brave4life
December 26th, 2009
8:44 pm
trade Medlen+lower lpec for Uggla. even though i would hate to give up Medlen he and Hanson were amazing in AAA.
Brave4life
December 26th, 2009
8:45 pm
Would you ever do Hanson for Braun straight up???????????
chris
December 26th, 2009
8:45 pm
i would love to see the braves make another move for a bat, but i dont see how they can do that now…
nolie
December 26th, 2009
8:54 pm
make another move for a bat, but i dont see how they can do that now…Chris
Melky for Uggla is at least a possibility. they seem to be having trouble finding someone to take Ugly off their hands
Tiger Woods
December 26th, 2009
8:55 pm
Brave4life, if I were a case beer in I still wouldn’t do that trade no.
McFann O
December 26th, 2009
9:02 pm
TW–
True.
Soph–
He sure was! And thanks for that other video!
Too cute and funny…
We’ve been seeing a lot of deer in our Woods lately. Finally saw a buck, too! He was a four-pointer or a six-pointer–can’t remember. We tried to get some photos of him, but they didn’t turn out too good.
Smarty Arty
December 26th, 2009
9:03 pm
I don’t know why Wren wants another stinkin pitcher, but listening to him this morning on XM radio from his vacation spot he seems to be taking a hard look at this fella for an emergency type pitcher:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/ChadFinn/6e_1.jpg
Soph
December 26th, 2009
9:03 pm
Thanks, Braveguy & nolie. Strasburg huh? We’ll see.
KeyLargo
December 26th, 2009
9:10 pm
Would you ever do Hanson for Braun straight up? Braveforlife
I would do that trade in a second. Of course Milwaukee wouldn’t, but I certainly would and I’ll tell you why.
Steve Avery
In 1993 Steve Avery won 18 games for Atlanta and was at least tied for the best pitcher on the team. If he hadn’t have gotten hurt, people would be talking about Smoltz, Glavine, Maddux and Avery and they all would have gone into the Hall of Fame eventually. But Avery got hurt and never won 10 games for the Braves again.
Just think if the Braves had a premonition and had decided to trade Avery. The Pirates were going to lose Barry Bonds (to free agency) and they probably would have traded Bonds for Avery straight up. There is no telling how many World Series the Braves would have won if Bonds had been in the middle of the order during their run. But it would have been more than one.
Apply that to the Braun (who is in the Hanley Ramirez category) and Hanson would be a Brewer in a minute.
Soph
December 26th, 2009
9:14 pm
lol McFann, this one is funny too -
http://video.yahoo.com/network/100000086?v=4604401&l=100000085
David O'Brien
December 26th, 2009
9:18 pm
I’m shocked at the Urban Meyer story….
Tremendous day on the slopes here at Whistler. And no lines. Lot of people apparently scared off for fear of big crowds before Olympic. But the ones that are here … what scenery. Lots of Europeans. Record amounts of snow past couple months have left a ridiculously good base,and it’s not even cold here this week (relatively speaking, of course). It’s actually warmer here at top of mountain than down in the village right now. Because of temperature inversion. You sure don’t get that in Colorado….
KC: I agree with you about Prado, to an extent. If Braves did get Uggla, they could play him at 2B (Uggla would prefer to stay there), even if his D is a bit weak there, and Prado could play multiple positions. But only if they are ready to let him play some in the OF. Between even given the health or age issues at 1B and 3B, there’s still a chance that Chipper and Glaus each play 140 or more games, which wouldn’t leave many starts for Prado at those spots. Now, if they’re comfortable with him playing the OF, then that might work. Particularly if they use Melky C. in the trade to get Uggla….
Coach B: No worries, sir. And I appreciate the participation…
DOB… You are rude and condescending to the people who support you. It’s weird… Don’t tell me “but he was rude! — Good Blog However at 6:19 a.m.
OK, GBH, I won’t say “but he was rude.” Actually, I don’t even know who you’re talking about, so it wouldn’t make much sense of me to tell you that. And besides, I can’t remember saying that to defend any of my comments. Because I don’t feel the need to. You don’t like any or many of said comments? Oh, well.
jeffrey d
December 26th, 2009
9:21 pm
jeffrey d, oh… and, alternatively, Uggla could simply play LF
Uggla hasn’t played 2B at all in the major league level. If he’s a horrible defensive player, I can only imagine how awful he’d be at a new position.
jeffrey d
December 26th, 2009
9:21 pm
Urban will reenter coaching in the NFL once he figures out where Tebow lands.
Soph
December 26th, 2009
9:22 pm
I’m shocked at the Urban Meyer story.
Me too! I thought it was a joke at first.
Soph
December 26th, 2009
9:25 pm
Urban will reenter coaching in the NFL once he figures out where Tebow lands.
Jacksonville! He’s supposed to increase ticket sales – I highly doubt that would happen though. They’re a playoff contender and they still have trouble with ticket sales. I don’t know if Tebow would change that.
jeffrey d
December 26th, 2009
9:29 pm
I don’t know if Tebow would change that
But Urban and Tebow would. Then they’d trade for Harvin just to piss off UGA fans.
chris
December 26th, 2009
9:31 pm
seems like the braves want to keep melky as a 4th outfielder. how about diaz or prado for uggla? gotta move diaz if the braves want to add another bat, especially if heyward has a shot at opening day
Soph
December 26th, 2009
9:32 pm
Awww, but Tebow and & Urban can’t steal Percy Harvin from Favre. That would make him sad.
McFann O
December 26th, 2009
9:34 pm
Soph–
Have you seen the one with the singing Christmas tree? That one’s great…hope this is the right link…
http://video.yahoo.com/network/100000086?v=4604401&l=100000085
jeffrey d
December 26th, 2009
9:35 pm
The way Favre’s farewell tour is going, he’ll end up with Jacksonville eventually.
David O'Brien
December 26th, 2009
9:36 pm
Chris: considering Diaz’s numbers against the Marlins and particularly at whatever they’re calling that stadium in South Florida, one could certainly see where the Marlins might be interested in him….
Soph
December 26th, 2009
9:36 pm
Haaaa, McFann that was the one I was trying to paste the link for. It must’ve linked to the fat cat instead. The one with the Christmas tree was hilarious. That poor kitty jumped a mile when the tree started dancing and singing.
TnBrian
December 26th, 2009
9:39 pm
I’m so sick of hearing about Tebow this Tebow that. He’s the Bret Favre of college football.
chris, what a shame it would be if Prado goes in any trade. I wouldn’t do it, even for Uggla and his 30 bombs he’ll give you. You agree? Prado is an exciting player that does it the right way, like Diaz. I guess the Yankees and their fans viewed Cabrera that way from everything I’ve read. Of course, we have spark plugs in Prado and Diaz so we’ll be alright if M.C. were to get dealt.
IF one of Diaz or Prado needed to go in a trade than I guess Diaz would be my odd man out.
chris
December 26th, 2009
9:43 pm
diaz has raked against the marlins. and most teams know that he can flat out hit the ball. with heyward coming up, and melky able to play all three outfield positions with solid defense, maybe the braves could move diaz to maybe get a bit of an upgrade on hitting power over diaz.
MZ
December 26th, 2009
9:46 pm
DOB —-
Just went out and picked up “Potato Hole”, “Farm” and “Emotionalism” … it’s a good day
KeyLargo
December 26th, 2009
9:49 pm
I don’t know why y’all can’t see it. Tebow is going to skip right over the NFL and coach Florida next year.
ease19
December 26th, 2009
9:50 pm
McFann and Soph
I am deeply offended by these cat videos you keep posting…THE CAT doesn’t like them either…
Jimbo
December 26th, 2009
9:58 pm
Rest In Peace…. Vic Chestnutt
McFann O
December 26th, 2009
10:02 pm
Soph McFann that was the one I was trying to paste the link for.
OK. Yeah, that was the best one yet…
I just about jumped that high, too.
ease19–
Haha! Sorry…but they’re funny…
…and you’re half-kidding at least, right?
Marc in FL
December 26th, 2009
10:04 pm
Wait, what? Why are we talking about trading Prado for Uggla? Prado is better at every facet of the game except homers. I’d take 15 less home runs in exchange for .50 more on the average, better plate discipline, and far superior defense. Thank you.
chris
December 26th, 2009
10:04 pm
and as i stated a possible uggla trade, mlbtraderumors.com just posted an “over a week old” piece of the braves “mild” interest in uggla…
Soph
December 26th, 2009
10:04 pm
Sorry, ease19 if you’re serious.
Night, McFann!
chris
December 26th, 2009
10:06 pm
Marc in FL- i agree with you. in fact, i really dont see the braves making another move to improve the offense with diaz on the roster, melky’s versatility, and heyward potential starting job on opening day, but again, anything can happen.
jeffrey d
December 26th, 2009
10:07 pm
Rest In Peace…. Vic Chestnutt
It’s Chesnutt. But yes, so sad what happened.
…and you’re half-kidding at least, right?
I really hope you’re not “deeply offended” by cats getting stuck in doors.
nolie
December 26th, 2009
10:18 pm
I’d take 15 less home runs in exchange for .50 more on the average, better plate discipline, and far superior defense. Thank you. Marc
Lotsa folks just can’t see past homers, even if the total OPS is lower.
Soph
December 26th, 2009
10:19 pm
I really hope you’re not “deeply offended” by cats getting stuck in doors.
Maybe it upsets him. You know – triggers a bad memory or something. I guess.
ease19
December 26th, 2009
10:26 pm
Soph – The Cat would like to post videos of birds running into windows…But I talked him out of it!
ease19
December 26th, 2009
10:31 pm
jeffrey d….regarding your 10:07 posting (sorry I am in a mood!)…The Cat was once one of those…but age has caught up to him and he is very slim now…He is now quite our elder!
Soph
December 26th, 2009
10:32 pm
ease – just for you and the cat!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSVD8H-WTGU
PTBNL
December 26th, 2009
10:37 pm
Lotsa folks just can’t see past homers — nolie
LOL is there a dual meaning there?
BraveMan
December 26th, 2009
10:38 pm
siap, but the article from ken rosenthal about the possibility of uggla to the braves is old…. like before the glaus deal old. not sure if that changes things or not… just pointing it out.
DOB keeps mentioning uggla though in his posts… so maybe he thinks there is a good chance of landing him. i know i would love to have his power in our lineup.
ease19
December 26th, 2009
10:40 pm
Soph – was that Petey?
I will endure the repercussions later…
ease19
December 26th, 2009
10:42 pm
PTBNL – Ummm.. yes, people need a “BIG BAT”….
see what you have missed?
PTBNL
December 26th, 2009
10:45 pm
Do I understand this correctly? Because of Steve Avery KeyLargo would trade a pitcher (11-4 W-L, 2.89 ERA, 1.12 WHIP) for a fielder (113 R, 32 HR, 114 RBI, 20 SB, .551 SLG, .937 OPS) in a heart beat.
Thus, it would seem that he would have traded (in 1989) a pitcher (12-11 W-L, 2.94 ERA, 1.12 WHIP) for a fielder (104 R, 36 HR, 101 RBI, 41 SB, .928 OPS, .559 SLG), correct? Because of Steve Avery.
Soph
December 26th, 2009
10:46 pm
ease19 – McFann’s gonna get you!
ease19
December 26th, 2009
10:47 pm
I am probably gonna pull a BAS here, but seriously, where is the weakness in our lineup?
PTBNL
December 26th, 2009
10:47 pm
Hanson for Braun
Smoltz for Howard Johnson
chris
December 26th, 2009
10:47 pm
braveman- yea i tend to think that DOB thinks there is a possibility that the braves are still interested in uggla, derosa and nady as well.
PTBNL
December 26th, 2009
10:48 pm
LOL Thanks, ease. But I meant the word “homers”. Double meaning.
ColoradoBravesFan
December 26th, 2009
10:49 pm
Nolie, I agree, I would rather have the better avg and OPS over 30 HRs. And no way I think we should be in on Uggla. I believe we can sign a FA LFer that will give us close to Uggla’s production, better LF defense and better OPS. I say sign Nady or Ankiel and trade Melky for the best 3rd base prospect we can get… GO BRAVES.
ease19
December 26th, 2009
10:50 pm
Soph – McFann cann’nt get me…
The Cat vs. The Bird….next PPV
ease19
December 26th, 2009
10:55 pm
I know what you meant PTBNL…(KC perhaps)…But people don’t remember that Avery left b/c of personal reason’s…his first kid was borne pre-mature and that took lot out of him…not really due to injury…
PTBNL
December 26th, 2009
11:02 pm
You are correct. I didn’t know that was the reason either. I didn’t have a TV back then and certainly not the Internet. So I was not aware of much going on in baseball back then. But that really underlines what I am saying. That reason or injury can happen to position players as well… or even for a player to do very well for a couple of years when they first come to the Show only to fizzle out very quickly. It could be that Braun would go down and Hanson would not. That is what I was trying to illustrate — that Avery is not a good reason to make that trade.
jeffrey d
December 26th, 2009
11:03 pm
McFann’s bird is named Petey? Like the one from Dumb & Dumber??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjAITRaItKQ
ease19
December 26th, 2009
11:09 pm
Yeah, Avery was not hurt physically, just a mentally…and those are the toughest to overcome…But I get the meaning….Avery was the equivalent of Hanson at that age and his value at the time…unlimited…But I honestly think that that a RHP with a plus fastball in the upper 90’s should be more highly regraded….But that is my opinion only….
ease19
December 26th, 2009
11:12 pm
I am just gonna end 2009 on this note..GO BRAVES….see ya’ll later.!!!!
jeffrey d
December 26th, 2009
11:23 pm
I am just gonna end 2009 on this note..GO BRAVES….see ya’ll later.!!!!
I hope ease19 isn’t going to a New Year’s party now
PTBNL
December 26th, 2009
11:30 pm
LOL Sounds like it, jeffrey d
He is either going to have a very long party…. or he is very confused.
Wayne in Utah
December 26th, 2009
11:33 pm
The best college coaching job today, and a coach at the top of his game. I for one will hope for the best for Urban Meyer. I admire a person who will make the right decision, regardless of the ramifications!
Take care and good luck to you, UM!
keylargo
December 26th, 2009
11:35 pm
In 1991, Avery went 18-8 while finishing in 6th place for the Cy Young Award. The next year he declined a bit as he went 11-11 but then thrived in 1993 by going 18-6 and earning his lone trip to the All-star game.
Unfortunately Avery suffered an injury to his pitching arm in late 1993 and he would never be able to recover the success he had for the Braves. Prior to the injury Avery had a regular season record of 48-36, but after coming back from his injury he managed to go just 44-50. Many blame the heavy workload and pressure to perform as the Braves’ 4th starter for his breakdown. WordPress
If you would like to read the entire article here is the link. http://bapple2286.wordpress.com/2009/03/04/what-ever-happened-to-steve-avery/
P'cola Brave
December 26th, 2009
11:38 pm
Is this Uggla’s first year of arbitration or his second?
jeffrey d
December 26th, 2009
11:41 pm
I admire a person who will make the right decision, regardless of the ramifications!
You mean like calling timeouts to rub in a blowout?
If this is legit “health and family” problems, then yeah, I really hope he can get everything worked out. I just hope it’s not so he can coach in the NFL or something. Looking at his head coaching record, he coached for two years at Bowling Green, then left for a better job in Utah. Then he coached for two years and left for a better job in Florida. And I’m not condemning the man. If there’s a better job out there, you take it.
Wayne in Utah
December 26th, 2009
11:42 pm
And aren’t these cute!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVMhuiHm50I
keylargo
December 26th, 2009
11:46 pm
Second P’cola
Wayne in Utah
December 26th, 2009
11:46 pm
And if you liked those, you’ll love these….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=untfJnXUZeg&feature=PlayList&p=EBD440802F473DFC&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=1
chris
December 26th, 2009
11:48 pm
avery didnt have the maturity level of hanson’s
P'cola Brave
December 26th, 2009
11:50 pm
Uggla’s power would be nice but he’s not worth overpaying for. To me Nady would be a better option than Uggla but either one would be beneficial for this lineup.
chris
December 26th, 2009
11:54 pm
i think if you put uggla’s power in the same lineup with glaus, i think that should be considered to overpay for.
Fourbee
December 26th, 2009
11:58 pm
Some of you may not like this, but this is the way that I see the rest of the off season to end:
The outfield starters consist of Diaz, McLouth and Cabrera (until June, when Heyward is called up)
The bench is rounded out with additions of Fernando Tatis (switch hitter) and Aubrey Huff (left hander).
This allows payroll flexibility for in-season moves (moving Melky and prospects, perhaps) when teams decide that they can’t compete and wish to dump payroll on players entering FA at the end of the season.
This is not my ideal scenario, mind you, I’m simply speculating on what I feel Wren will do to field a marginally competitve team. Playoff possibility, if everyone plays to their potential. WS? No way!
Poorbrave
December 26th, 2009
11:58 pm
jeffery d —-stop the hate and have a heart. Its not football its a human.
P'cola Brave
December 26th, 2009
11:58 pm
The negative to Glaus and Uggla is the amount of strikeouts you’ll have in the middle of the order. But with two legit power hitters, Chipper and McCann won’t have to feel the pressure to swing for power. Chipper can go back to ‘08 where he was hitting the pitch where it was thrown. He didn’t try to do to much. That would be a positive to having Uggla.
Nady however will probably hit 5-10 HR less than Uggla but have a much higher average.
jeffrey d
December 27th, 2009
12:04 am
Sorry Poorbrave, but I’m used to it. Too often in recent years I’ve seen coaches bolt and leave their old teams in the dust.
Although I did just read Meyer’s statement, and I think his problems are legit. I hope for the best for him.
Bill
December 27th, 2009
12:07 am
I’m glad Frank Wren is the GM and getting paid to make the right moves. Opinions are just opinions and everyone has one.
nolie
December 27th, 2009
12:09 am
believe we can sign a FA LFer that will give us close to Uggla’s production, better LF defense and better OPS. I say sign Nady or Ankiel and trade Melky for the best 3rd base prospect we can get… Colorado
the only thing there is I don’t see where they have room to sign another OFer since they usually carry 4 real ones and some spare parts guys. Nady would work cause he can play first too, and DeRo fits really well except for too high/long a salary. I’m not even sure I think they will add another bigger piece. We’ll see,.
BTW where in Colorado do you live?
Fourbee
December 27th, 2009
12:09 am
Sorry, Tatis is right handed not a switch hitter.
nolie
December 27th, 2009
12:11 am
Avery definitely got injured too. When he came back he had no fastball left at all.He was throwing mid80s.
Poorbrave
December 27th, 2009
12:12 am
jeffery d- Understand_____________its cool.
TnBrian
December 27th, 2009
12:16 am
P’cola Brave, I agree that any one of Uggla or Nady would benefit the lineup, throw DeRosa in there too. I just honestly think the next hitter, if they get one, will be through a trade & Uggla seems the most realistic from my view.
Hey, I’m sorry I keep posting all this because it seems like I’ve done this at least twice a day for the last week or so, but I think I’m hoping more than anything. I’d hate to see all our good pitching go to waste again.
jeffrey d., love that scene from Dumb & Dumber, but when the blind kid is petting a dead bird with its head duct taped on is the best one.
Alright, gotta go… talk at ya’ll tomorrow some time.
nolie
December 27th, 2009
12:18 am
Interesting how things go in baseball. In 1999 Tatis hit 30 some homers and 100RBi and looked like a surefire star Missed a lot of time the next two years and ever came close to 99 again.Now he’s discussed as a mid-winter sub. One never knows, do one?
P'cola Brave
December 27th, 2009
12:20 am
Nady is the best fit but when Bay and Holliday are gone his market will pick up drastically so I’m sure Boras isn’t close to talking seriously for him. Dero needs to drop his money a little bit. A two year deal is reasonable for him but no more than that. Throw an option on there if itll get it done.
Wayne in Utah
December 27th, 2009
12:26 am
Name a better coaching job in all of football, college or pro. Yeah, I think UM’s statement is legit. Look for him to take a year or two off, and then get back in the game somewhere……Notre Dame???
fastasballs
December 27th, 2009
12:33 am
Wren has a lot of options right now. Not everyone agreed with moving Vazquez, but it’s hard to judge the trade right now. I say that because Wren has yet to spend the money saved from Vazquez & he may very well flip Melky/Dunn in exchange for another player.
I’m sure another move is coming, maybe several moves. If they sign Nady/Derosa then I think there almost has to be another trade involving Melky. Heyward is going to be here this season although it may not be until June. No way they carry 5 outfielders when Prado/Infante can cover out there as well. One thing is for sure the Braves are looking a little more versatile with their defense & they are not done adding players.
The bench should be very strong this season & that should not be underestimated when considering the team’s overall make up. We all know the disaster named Greg Norton whose claim to fame was the walk. A strong bench is worth some wins, sometimes quite a few.
I’m not making predictions as far as who Wren gets to round this team out, but I’d say when he’s done we won’t be able to complain too much. To this point he’s added prospects this off season, which is a plus considering the amount of talent that left the farm system over the past 3 seasons. Much of that was by JS in the Tex trade, but somehow Wren catches hell for that trade when it wasn’t even his. I applaud his for keeping the majority of the top talent & adding to it with the Vazquez deal.
I know Glaus is a gamble, as is Huddy in a way, but those are gambles worth taking. Huddy is an ACE & there isn’t any reason to believe he won’t return to form. Glaus is a huge run producer when healthy & he is signed for pennies.
chris
December 27th, 2009
12:35 am
P’cola Brave: i’m kinda sensing that nady is a more realistic option than derosa. but then again, not sure braves want to sign another bat that didnt play much last season. hearing DOB, saying they are still looking for another bat is kind of odd for the fact that heyward has a chance to start opening day and having diaz on the roster.
chris
December 27th, 2009
12:38 am
fastballs- i think melky stays with the braves. i’d like for the braves to pick up another bat, but there just isnt much room in the lineup to.
zaphrodesiac
December 27th, 2009
12:40 am
What would we have to give up for Rocco? I just crawled outta my rock cave I’m dying to know
.P.a.u.l .L.e.n.t.z
December 27th, 2009
12:57 am
ColoradoBravesFan……in the clean-up spot, I’d rather have 30 homers than a high on base percentage.
Just like I’d rather have a pinch hitter who can hit a homer a few times a year…..then have a pinch hitter who walks all the time. Sure, if getting on base is nice. However you are wasting a valuable weapon off the bench if you never get any power from him.
Matt Stairs = low average and 5 pinch hit homers.
Greg Norton = low average and 0 pinch hit homers.
.P.a.u.l .L.e.n.t.z
December 27th, 2009
1:01 am
Poorbrave……….I have never disillusioned myself into believing that any sports team cares about me (or the average fan).
Tiger Woods
December 27th, 2009
1:11 am
Do you guys really think DeRosa fits on a team like the Braves have right now?? I just don’t think we need to pay someone that money to be that average. He has never put up amazing numbers.I don’t know maybe I am wrong. Thoughts?
StingerSplash
December 27th, 2009
1:18 am
DOB,
Hope they’re not jacking up the prices at Whistler for the Olympics. I suggest The Keg for a very good steak. A chain, but a good one as chains go.
Great DNC show tonight at The Tabernacle. Loved loved loved their cover of The Who’s “5:15.” Did a very unique version of “Jumpin Jack Flash” too. One of their best shows in a long, long time.
nolie
December 27th, 2009
1:36 am
Do you guys really think DeRosa fits on a team like the Braves have right now?? Tiger
I think versatility-wise he is a great fit, not sure they will pay that much though.
idfan
December 27th, 2009
2:08 am
oh please no uggla! i was on the marlins blog and they sound like they would pretty much give him away. they dont like his defense or strikeouts. those fans would love us to take him away.
bo
December 27th, 2009
2:26 am
I see the braves have their future 3b now in glaus