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Jay212033
December 19th, 2009
6:00 pm
wjones
It’s all speculation but the idea I just posted would have Gonzalez in a Braves uni. If Wren would trade those guys is all that matters.
Brave4life
December 19th, 2009
6:00 pm
Jay
Mike MOnor seems like he is going to be a beast, lets keep him
nolie
December 19th, 2009
6:01 pm
Heck I’d even throw a PTBNL(Mike Minor) in the deal to get it done Jay21
hey, PTBNL is one of my more favorite posters here. we can’t be trading him away
Jay212033
December 19th, 2009
6:01 pm
Brave4life
Do you attend?
VaBraveFan
December 19th, 2009
6:01 pm
If yall remember we actually signed Branyan a few years back to a minor league deal with a spring invite. He ended up hitting below 100. during spring and i think we cut him,
THE CURSE OF DAVID JUSTICE
December 19th, 2009
6:02 pm
HE CANT HIT,PLAN AND SIMPLE!
Jay212033
December 19th, 2009
6:02 pm
“Mike MOnor seems like he is going to be a beast, lets keep him”
He just MIGHT be but we KNOW Gonzalez already is.
nolie
December 19th, 2009
6:03 pm
Mike MOnor seems like he is going to be a beast, lets keep him Braves4
if you mean by beast you mean a #3 or #4 started which is his predicted upside and if you actually mean Mike Minor
PTBNL
December 19th, 2009
6:03 pm
Nolie,
Yes, that was me. That is why I said my educational background was in the behavioral science field. I have also worked in that field. My most recent experience in that field was with a children’s home. But now I am a personal trainer…. and caregiver of aging parents.
Yeah, I would imagine scouting is very demanding. I am more a fan of baseball than I am a fan of the Braves, but I think scouting would have a kind of demand that would take the wonder of the game out of it for me.
Braves_Fan_RSD
December 19th, 2009
6:05 pm
Bear you obviously didn’t read what I said
1. Branyan would only face RHP and Diaz would face LHP
2. With that combo the strike outs would be 119.3
THE CURSE OF DAVID JUSTICE
December 19th, 2009
6:06 pm
BRING BACK JD DREW,J.DYE,ANDREW JONES,RAFAEL FURCAL,MARK TEXEIRA AND THE REST OF THE BRAVES PLAYERS WE TRADED OFF!
nolie
December 19th, 2009
6:06 pm
f yall remember we actually signed Branyan a few years back to a minor league deal with a spring invite. He ended up hitting below 100. during spring and i think we cut him, VaBrFan
yeah I remember. I think we traded him to Cleveland for some pitcher who never got out of the minors IIRC
Braves_Fan_RSD
December 19th, 2009
6:06 pm
So Branyan wouldn’t play 162 games
THE BEAR Illegitimi non carborundum
December 19th, 2009
6:06 pm
Nolie, Branyon did have a better year this year except for K’s. He hit .251, had 31 HRs, drove in 76, had 58 BB and 149K’s. And that was done in 116 games. He struck out 149 times in 431AB’s and that is a killer. In other words every 2.9 times at bat he struck out.
THE BEAR Illegitimi non carborundum
December 19th, 2009
6:07 pm
Whatever, Branyon is a bum.
THE CURSE OF DAVID JUSTICE
December 19th, 2009
6:10 pm
TED TURNER PLEASE BUY THE BRAVES BACK!
Jay212033
December 19th, 2009
6:10 pm
nolie
Maybe in Petco Park Minor would be a beast.
dgd
December 19th, 2009
6:10 pm
It’s still snowing here in Northern Virginia, with almost two feet on the ground. It’s unbelievable walking around town (we live in a walking neighborhood) with snow up to kids’ knees. Our retreiver goes wild in this much snow. Makes the “pitchers and catchers report” date seem far, far away…
nolie
December 19th, 2009
6:12 pm
but I think scouting would have a kind of demand that would take the wonder of the game out of it for me PTBNL
well you can’t approach it from the perspective of a fan that’s for sure. gotta be brutally realistic, no homerisn allowed. actually I have been an Orioles fan first and then a Braves fan and I think it was a help that I never worked for either team, though I am pretty much compulsive about logic over emotion anyway.
THE BEAR Illegitimi non carborundum
December 19th, 2009
6:13 pm
Braves_Fan_RSD,
You obviously didn’t read what I said. I said the numbers projected were based on him playing 162 games. I never said he would play 162 games. If he played 75% of that many games then the projections would be at 75% of that. And all those number were based on his entire career stats and if he only played equal to his career stats.
Do you understand percentages?
Braves_Fan_RSD
December 19th, 2009
6:15 pm
Nolie, Branyon did have a better year this year except for K’s. He hit .251, had 31 HRs, drove in 76, had 58 BB and 149K’s. And that was done in 116 games. He struck out 149 times in 431AB’s and that is a killer. In other words every 2.9 times at bat he struck out.
Once again you fail to remember he will only be facing RHP which he strikes out 1 every 3.7AB so thats 1 per game.
Jay212033
December 19th, 2009
6:15 pm
dgd
That is why I love ATL! We get very little snow and if it does snow the next day or so it’ll be back in the 60s.
Bob Horner had a sweet compact swing
December 19th, 2009
6:16 pm
Jay212033 …sorry man my bad I didn’t dig up that post….but now that I’ve read it I don’t like it…Jay I think Medlin could be really special he can flat out pitch…now Schaffer I think he’ll be a bust….just my 2 cents…(do you have an alternate scenerio where we can we keep Medlin..???) or is Freeman that alternative..???
Braves_Fan_RSD
December 19th, 2009
6:18 pm
Braves_Fan_RSD,
You obviously didn’t read what I said. I said the numbers projected were based on him playing 162 games. I never said he would play 162 games. If he played 75% of that many games then the projections would be at 75% of that. And all those number were based on his entire career stats and if he only played equal to his career stats.
Do you understand percentages?
You can’t just say oh that will be 75% of that because the circumstances have changed when the control changes you have to base the outcomes on that control not the previous test and say o well he would get 25% less ABs and then just go with it. You ahve to base it on him facing ONLY RHP which is what you fail to do my friend so obviously you don’t understand percentages.
EJ
December 19th, 2009
6:19 pm
Remember, Laroche said he does not start hitting the ball until the last part of the season…he should come back as a last half backup…….dh the first half….his bat is needed…..bring him back for a one year deal…make the deal worth it,financially.
Jay212033
December 19th, 2009
6:20 pm
Bob Horner had a sweet compact swing
To get talent you have to give talent but if you want to keep Medlen add Mike Minor as a PTBNL and there you go.
brent a.
December 19th, 2009
6:20 pm
African Safari,
I was really hoping to see UNC pull this one out today.
I’ve got tickets to the South Regional in Houston, and have my fingers crossed that Texas will find some way to blow the chance at being the #1 seed in the South and for Kentucky to slip in.
The regional sites are:
St. Louis
Houston
Syracuse
Salt Lake
Most likely, Kansas takes St. Louis, Texas goes to Houston, leaving Syracuse and Salt Lake for UK if it can secure a #1 seed.
If Syracuse manages to get a #1 seed, they can’t play at home, so they would get sent to Salt Lake in the scenario I mentioned above.
But, if someone other than Syracuse gets the #1 seed (Nova, or Purdue), I’m guessing Kentucky gets sent out West.
And, it only makes sense. The NCAA knows it can sell out any arena and pack the stands if Kentucky is involved. And, as it stands now, it doesn’t look as if there is going to be a westerly team qualify as a top seed. Kansas fans would travel, but again, they are likely to land in St. Louis.
However, on that note, Reliant (Houston) is the largest regional site (and is still not sold out), and if Texas doesn’t get sent there, it would be amazing to see the sea of blue that would fill that stadium.
It would almost be a waste to have Kentucky playing in Salt Lake, which is the smallest regional site this year, especially when there are 3 large arenas/domes available.
THE BEAR Illegitimi non carborundum
December 19th, 2009
6:22 pm
Braves_Fan_RSD,
Based on what you have posted in the past I never realized you were so brilliant. Geez, my bad.
Rob in pain from (SC)
December 19th, 2009
6:24 pm
Can’t trade Minor until a year after he was signed or drafted
Bob Horner had a sweet compact swing
December 19th, 2009
6:24 pm
Jay212033 …point taken…we need a big bat..in the worse way…I think we should bite the bullet and trade Javy Vasquez…because as you stated…”To get talent you have to give talent…”
nolie
December 19th, 2009
6:24 pm
add Mike Minor as a PTBNL and there you go. Jay
that’s kinda funny since a player to be names later is usually someone who has not yet been decided on, so why call him a PTBNL if you are already naming who he is?
hal
December 19th, 2009
6:28 pm
if we have a frank wren we also need a js but you will never see it on these pages the fact that the “genius single handed wrecked this franchise seems to be very discrettly ignored by the great unwashed mases here lol ohh yea i know the tex trade wasnt THAT BAD hahgahaha
Rob in pain from (SC)
December 19th, 2009
6:29 pm
nolie
aren’t there also rules about how you can use a PTBNL. I think they have to be on the 40 man roster. I could be wrong
Jay212033
December 19th, 2009
6:29 pm
Rob in pain from (SC)
Hecne putting him in a deal as A Player To Be Named Later(PTBNL)
Bobby's Cox
December 19th, 2009
6:31 pm
If the Angels wouldn’t trade Brandon Wood for Halladay, then why would they trade him for Derek Lowe & cash, especially since they lost Figgins & won’t bring back Vlad??
Bob Horner had a sweet compact swing
December 19th, 2009
6:31 pm
brent a. I used to work with a guy from Kentucky..a huge “big blue” fan…I’l never forget one time I was talking to him at a bar about teams traveling and I suggested UK wouldn’t want to travel out west….he looked at me like I was insane and said…Kentucky fans will travel anywhere……I’ve never forgotten that….he was correct….
Jay212033
December 19th, 2009
6:33 pm
Rob in pain from (SC)
Player To Be Named Later (PTBNL)
A transaction including a player to be named later must be completed within six months. … As a result, most players to be named later are minor leaguers. …
Steve McP
December 19th, 2009
6:33 pm
Strange to include our first round draft pick as a PTBNL, normally it is a scrub way down in our prospects not a top pick in the last 12 months.
Bobby's Cox
December 19th, 2009
6:36 pm
And, if the Braves trade Lowe, then why would they trade Medlen as well? 1 injury to the starting 5, and there goes the so called depth.
Piedmont Blues
December 19th, 2009
6:36 pm
LaRoche career stats:
Pre-All Star Break: .773 OPS
Post All Star Break: .909 OPS
Worth $11 mm/year? I don’t know. But he’s not exactly chopped liver in the first half, either.
Marko
December 19th, 2009
6:38 pm
Hoping the Falcons implode and continue to cause Arthur Blank major headaches. Matt Ryan and Michael Turner get caught and sent to jail for a dog fighting-like ring -or- they suffer career ending injuries.
Blank decides to get out of the football business. Sells Falcons. Then buys the Braves. This all happens within the next 2-3 years.
The Braves then will be able to re-sign a core of players that include Hanson, Jurjens, Escobar, Freeman, and Heyward that would then be approaching their prime. Isn’t McCann tied up forever anyway? Oh, the free agents we would get then. Braves could then take over the dominance that they had years ago.
Steve from OH
December 19th, 2009
6:38 pm
I guess you should have hit better in the 1st half the last 6 or so years
Never worked for A-Rod…
PTBNL
December 19th, 2009
6:39 pm
Yeah, I realize that. Part of my problem with scouting is based on things that I have been told by scouts, things that are brutally objective with no room for subjectivity. Plus, since free agency began (and salaries soared) it seems the whole process has changed. There is much more on the line. Consequently, people start trying to position themselves very early in order to “make it to the Bigs”. A good athlete may not brown nose the coach, but a lesser player may not only buddy up to the coach himself, but his parents may do the same. The coach who may be a scout himself or knows a scout may talk up the lesser player and have scouts to watch him, but not the better athlete. Or, like happened to me on year in high school, scouts could not see me in certain games because the coach played a guy instead of me who could not hit his weight and he actually got on one knee to field the ball at ss. Of course the guy was a football player who went on to play for GA when they won the national title with Hershel Walker. So…. though the scouts themselves may have no homerism, there is homerism involved as to who plays, and who is talked up to the scouts. I have seen this happen so many times it makes you wonder what percentage of the very good players actually make it to the show.
It was not really a problem for me. I only wanted to play ball because I enjoyed the game. Though I probably had the skills to go pretty far, I did not have the desire to be a part of business that baseball had become. It is not so much the business itself, but how people respond to that environment that made it unattractive to me. Having said all of that, I realize that there is no perfect system. So rather than look at the imperfections (and certainly rather than have to work in that environment) I choose to enjoy the game. I love to watch a well played game where teams work together as well oiled machines, but with a passion that brings life to the game.
nolie
December 19th, 2009
6:39 pm
aren’t there also rules about how you can use a PTBNL. I think they have to be on the 40 man roster. I could be wrong Rob
might be, I’m not up on the current rules. I don’t think so, but not certain. Biggest thing I remember right off hand about PTBNL is the deal we did with Cleveland. They used that term cause they wanted to use Butler through the end of that season, and send him there later. I believe there was some controversy when his name was leaked early, but IIRC he did finish the year with Atlanta.
My personal choice as the worst Braves trade at least since I have been a fan.
Jay212033
December 19th, 2009
6:41 pm
nolie
I just posted the PTBNL rules a few minutes ago.
Skeeterleg
December 19th, 2009
6:42 pm
Thanks DOB about the Big Fan post. I love Patton Oswalt and didn’t even know about this movie. I saw his stand up show at 40 watt a few months back and it was great. You cant beat him and Zach Galifianakis.
Jurrjens4NLCY
December 19th, 2009
6:43 pm
Do you guys know theres a “Clue: The Movie”?
nolie
December 19th, 2009
6:44 pm
yeah Jay I knew about the 6 month limit, just wasn’t sure if they had changed it to make only it 40 man roster types . I didn’t think so, but if I don’t know I will say so.
Bobby's Cox
December 19th, 2009
6:45 pm
Piedmont Blues,
Adding to your post, LaRoche is a career .834 OPS’er. That’s almost Prado-ish, or replacement level, which leads me to add that LaRoche’s WAR (wins above replacement) is only 2.0. That’s been pretty consistent throughout his career. So, for $8-10 million a year, the Braves would be better off putting a replacement stop-gap guy at 1B and going for a better OF, such as Nady, who could also play 1B. If they can’t get a guy like Nady/Swisher, and the offseason rolls along with LaRoche still unsigned (likely), then we’ll look to signing LaRoche. He better get used to it, because it’s gonna be a long offseason in his household.
Btw, LaRoche’s OPS last year with Pittsburg (86 1st half games) was .770, also really, really consistent with his 1st half splits.
Nice post.
nolie
December 19th, 2009
6:48 pm
Do you guys know theres a “Clue: The Movie”? JJ
the one I am familiar with is usually just called CLUE. you’re title is an alternative one that you don’t see used all that often. Moderately funny if you like crime comedies. I got a copy, but then I got a copy of dang near every movie ever made. ….Ok, a slight exaggeration
N8
December 19th, 2009
6:51 pm
Yawn.
Piedmont Blues
December 19th, 2009
6:52 pm
So Bobby’s Cox,
If Delgado’s healthy and could be signed for less than $5mil, should the Braves go for him? I keep thinking he might be the best alternative, especially if the Braves have to keep Lowe or eat a significant portion of his contract in moving him.
dgd
December 19th, 2009
6:52 pm
Jay: I love Atlanta too–was born there–but sometimes life takes you elsewhere. While Northern Virginia as a whole leaves a lot to be desired, Old Town Alexandria is pretty nice as it’s a real neighborhood. This much snow is a real rarity for us. At least we have a major league baseball team now, which we didn’t for many years (and this year it might actually look like a ML team and not AAAA)…
Jurrjens4NLCY
December 19th, 2009
6:53 pm
Crime Comedies?
You mean like Pink Panther?
Jurrjens4NLCY
December 19th, 2009
6:58 pm
Ok, NO Braves games until March and now TV thinks it gets a Christmas Break?? Haha, NO WAY! Get you ass in front of a camera and make be laugh Jon Stewart! Republicans don’t take a break from being stupid, so you shouldn’t get a break either.
Robert (Chipper Is The Best)
December 19th, 2009
6:59 pm
I’d like to have Adrian Gonzalez as much as anybody here would but here is the issue. Gonzalez becomes a free agent in two years and is likely to test the market before signing any extension. He could very well get $19 to $20 mil a year at that time. If the Braves were going to do that why not just trade Lowe or Vasquez for prospects only and sign a Matt Holliday right now. Yes, I understand Freeman would be waiting in the wings but is two years of Gonzales really worth giving up Medlen and Schaefer.
It would be worth giving up Medlen if Vasquez signs an extension but there are no guarantees there. Despite Vasquez saying he wants to stay in Atlanta I highly doubt he’ll sign the 3yr/$36-$39 mil deal the Braves will want to sign him to. And, quite frankly he shouldn’t. If he can come anywhere near his 2009 numbers he’ll likely command a 4yr/$64+mil deal.
I’ll say this. If the Braves can be guaranteed that Vasquez will sign for a club friendly extension then I would possibly be in favor of a Schaefer, Medlen, and Cody Johnson deal for Gonzalez. The Braves would probably have to throw in Jo-Jo Reyes too but the question is would the Padres accept that or would they demand Freeman too. Or would the Red Sox counter with a Bucholz, Ellsbury, Lowrie deal which quite frankly would be better than the Braves offer. Ellsbury is a proven major leaguer and Lowrie has shown he can play at this level as well.
Robert (Chipper Is The Best)
December 19th, 2009
7:05 pm
Now, I’m just throwing this out there to see what everyone else thinks. I’m not saying I like this deal or would do it but just something to think about. We need a power hitter. What if the Braves offered McClouth to the Cubs for Soriano if the Cubs agreed to eat some of his salary. Soriano definitely has 30Hr 100RBI potential. Or is he too risky at this time. He would have to play LF but the Braves could then try to find a very cheap option for CF like Podsednik or Ankiel unless they could find that CF in a trade of Lowe or Vasquez such as Cabrera or Wilits.
nolie
December 19th, 2009
7:09 pm
Atlanta I highly doubt he’ll sign the 3yr/$36-$39 mil deal the Braves will want to sign him to RobertCITB
I think he might sign in that range., but I’m sure they wouldn’t go any higher, maybe not even that high
your proposed trade for Gonzo is way outta line though. Medlin has some value but not a lot yet,Schafer has very little value to anybody else and Johnson has practically no value to anybody else. Those three do not even come close to what it would take, Start with Hanson or Heywood and add some more. adding Reyes is a laugh too. and they have no use for Freeman cause they have a young stud prospect for first.
TnBrian
December 19th, 2009
7:12 pm
Wren panicked, I think, & hurried the Tex trade because he needed something for him before he hit FA & probably should’ve demanded Morales from Anaheim or no go for you. Instead, he went with the slick fielding, light hitting Kotchman instead. Another example of how a panick move can hurt you sometimes.
He also could’ve picked up Juan Rivera for cheap this time a year or so ago, instead waited & waited & waited until he could find the cheapest bargain… in walks Garret “Loaf Anderson”.
Bet Wren wishes he could go back & do a few things different, don’t you?
Piedmont Blues
December 19th, 2009
7:13 pm
TnBrian,
Didn’t Schuerholz make the Tex trade?
Piedmont Blues
December 19th, 2009
7:13 pm
Oops. That was the trade to get Tex. My bad.
Jay212033
December 19th, 2009
7:15 pm
If the Braves trade McLouth they could get far better value than Soriano.
Piedmont Blues
December 19th, 2009
7:16 pm
Also, Brian, Kotchman wasn’t such a bad gamble when the Braves got him. His numbers were not that different than LaRoche’s before the deal and he was a better gloveman at first. His offense has really tanked since he left Anaheim. No way to guess that was about to happen before he was acquired.
Robert (Chipper Is The Best)
December 19th, 2009
7:17 pm
I’m just throwing out suggestions so nobody get their panties in a wad but what if the Braves, Angles, and Cubs could work a three way deal of some kind. In the deal the Braves would send Derek Lowe to the Angels and McClouth to the Cubs who need a CF. The Cubs would send Derek Lee to the Braves. The Braves would eat $6 mil of Lowe’s contract. The Braves would receive Reggie Wilits plus a better than average prospect from the Angels (Brandon Wood?). The Braves would also send either Medlen or Jo-Jo Reyes along with McClouth. The Braves could then have Wilits be their everyday CF until Schaefer is ready to take over later in the year or they could make a play for Ankiel or Marlon Byrd to play CF and let Wilits be another utility guy along with Infante.
I’m just throwing it out there.
Bobby's Cox
December 19th, 2009
7:19 pm
Piedmont Blues,
Yes. If Delgado could be had for $5 mil or less, I think he’d be a good option.
TnBrian 34/108/.306
December 19th, 2009
7:21 pm
Jeepers, check out Kendry Morales’ stats from this season… 34 HR/ 108 RBI/ .306 avg. Think that could’ve come in handy? The guy is a very good fielder from everything I’ve heard as well.
In Wren’s defense, how could he have possibly known this guy would turn in a year like this? But, maybe he should’ve known something was special about him seeing as how I recall last summer Anaheim was very reluctant to trade this guy, even for Tex. Kind of makes your stomach hurt thinking what could’ve been, huh?
TnBrian
December 19th, 2009
7:22 pm
Sorry, I put the guy’s ‘09 stats there on purpose, just not to leave it there. Damn computers!
Bob Horner had a sweet compact swing
December 19th, 2009
7:24 pm
Piedmont Blues ….Casey was a “singles hitter”…we need more that at 1st base..(see outfield)
TnBrian
December 19th, 2009
7:25 pm
Piedmont Blues, very true. Kotchman was known to be the Angels MVP up to that point of the season & I was thrilled to get him. But, I’d guess the Angels knew something about Morales that they decided not to share with Mr.Wren. I still call it a blunder by our own smilin Frank.
Bob Horner had a sweet compact swing
December 19th, 2009
7:29 pm
I don’t want to pitch against Paul Lentz…(if I hit him by mistake he’d charge the mound)…..
Piedmont Blues
December 19th, 2009
7:31 pm
Bob Horner,
No question, Kotchman lacked HR power. He hit plenty of doubles and was a slick glove at 1B. Perhaps Wren could have gotten a better return for Tex. But given Kotchman’s age and previous performance, he looked like a reasonable pickup at the time.
Bobby's Cox
December 19th, 2009
7:31 pm
I don’t want to pitch against Paul Lentz…(if I hit him by mistake he’d charge the mound)…..
And probably call you a moron when he got there.
Bob Horner had a sweet compact swing
December 19th, 2009
7:32 pm
Piedmont Blues …point taken…ie Mark Grace
Bob Horner had a sweet compact swing
December 19th, 2009
7:33 pm
Bobby’s Cox …words don’t hurt me…fists and cleets do….
Piedmont Blues
December 19th, 2009
7:34 pm
Bob Horner,
Correct. My thought exactly. A Mark Grace type. Too bad it didn’t work out for him or the Braves.
Bobby's Cox
December 19th, 2009
7:37 pm
Horner…Well, he’d still call you one, regardless.
Jurrjens4NLCY
December 19th, 2009
7:41 pm
Haha!
I just found a Glen Hubbard Donruss ‘86 baseball card
Bob Horner had a sweet compact swing
December 19th, 2009
7:42 pm
Bobby’s Cox ….don’t think so…remember I’m Bob Horner I would hit a lollipop homerun DEEP to left field….I’ve hit 4 dingers in one game only 14 or so players have done that….I’m a dead pull hitter…nobody gets a fast ball by me…..
Opinion
December 19th, 2009
7:42 pm
Make the smart move and Bring smoltzie back for 2 mil for the 5th starter and get rid of KK’s contract
Manolo
December 19th, 2009
7:43 pm
Some people here are worried about Carlos Delgado’s health. the guy is about to start playing and looks to be in good shape. Since he’s a lefty there some concerns about what will happen if he cleans up when we face a lefty. here’s his production, head to head with the best. he beats them all except Howard in HRS, and his average beats Howard by a plenty. laroche is so far down the list he’s not relevant. Sorry the numbers are a little mixed up… Pujols is on another level…
RK PLAYER TEAM AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS
1 Ryan Howard PHI 237 33 53 6 3 14 49 0 1 23 96 .224 .294 .451 .746
2 Carlos Delgado NYM 210 28 56 9 1 12 41 0 0 7 50 .267 .299 .490 .789
Adrian Gonzalez SDG 235 27 50 5 0 12 38 0 0 21 62 .213 .287 .387 .675
4 Albert Pujols STL 158 28 65 15 0 11 32 2 0 35 11 .411 .518 .715 1.233
5 Jim Thome CHW 146 25 34 12 0 10 26 0 0 22 50 .233 .337 .521 .858
Adam Dunn CIN/ARI 154 21 30 5 0 10 22 0 0 33 60 .195 .351 .422 .773
Prince Fielder MIL 205 26 49 5 1 10 35 2 1 17 55 .239 .313 .420 .733
8 Miguel Cabrera DET 151 19 47 9 1 9 34 1 0 16 33 .311 .376 .563 .939
9 Jason Giambi NYY 130 18 30 7 0 8 27 0 1 18 34 .231 .373 .469 .842
Carlos Pena TAM 179 21 34 5 0 8 27 0 1 22 67 .190 .302 .352 .654
Opinion
December 19th, 2009
7:43 pm
No body used to get a fast ball by Andruw Jones, where’s he at now
Jurrjens4NLCY
December 19th, 2009
7:44 pm
Robert,
You have some fresh trade idea. I like ‘em.
Opinion
December 19th, 2009
7:44 pm
i’d take Delgado for 5 mil over Roche anyday
Bob Horner had a sweet compact swing
December 19th, 2009
7:44 pm
Opinion ….nice post..but Smoltz’s/Wren’s pride won’t let that happen…..those ties are severed….IMHO
Opinion
December 19th, 2009
7:45 pm
Heck I’d take Fred Mcgiff outta retirement before I resigned LaRoche for 11 mil
Opinion
December 19th, 2009
7:47 pm
That’s why you slip a mickey in ol Wreny’s auquafina and convince him to call Smoltzie to apologize…..hahahaha
Bob Horner had a sweet compact swing
December 19th, 2009
7:48 pm
Opinion…LaRoche is the personification of an enigma…..he’s feast or famine…….very risky…..I say stay away…go with youth…
NotAgain
December 19th, 2009
7:48 pm
Make the smart move and Bring smoltzie back for 2 mil for the 5th starter and get rid of KK’s contract OPINION
you should probably call yourself ‘bad opinion’
Opinion
December 19th, 2009
7:50 pm
If smoltzie pitched with his arm falling off in 1999, im sure he could still pitch pretty effectively if he wanted to as a 5th starter………….what’s one year gonna hurt
Opinion
December 19th, 2009
7:51 pm
most braves fans that want LaRoche to sign and stay with the braves must not of seen him play in his first stint with the braves and all those people with burning pitch forks trying to get him outta town.
McFann O
December 19th, 2009
7:54 pm
Well, thank you, The BEAR! I learned a lot from this place.
Bob Horner had a sweet compact swing
December 19th, 2009
7:56 pm
Opimion…..LaRoche is a “wild card”……please give me that..!!??
Robert (Chipper Is The Best)
December 19th, 2009
7:57 pm
I think Smoltz and Wren will make up just as it appears Glavine and Wren are going to. Now granted Smoltz is 1000 times more prideful than Glavine but nonetheless I think Smoltz knows Wren had to do what thought was best for the orginization and in the end was proven to be right.
As for Delgado, I think he would be a great addition. If he could be had for $5 or $6 mil the Braves should jump all over that. Yes, he’s coming off surgery but its a medium risk high reward situation. If the Braves could get a guy like Nady or a versatile player through trade Delgado could be the steal of the offseason. I envision a Galaraga kind of acquisition.
Paul Lentz
December 19th, 2009
8:01 pm
Got to sweat my Cowboys tonight. I’m going to hope for a big upset tonight. To knock off a 13-0 team, on the road, while improving our play-off chances…..would be sweet.
I expect Tony Romo to have a big game tonight.
KC
December 19th, 2009
8:03 pm
“TED TURNER PLEASE BUY THE BRAVES BACK!”
There are a couple of things you need to realize…
#1 – Liberty Media has NOT capped the team’s payroll. Braves management is simply being responsible in keeping expenses somewhere in the same neighborhood as revenue. And the payroll was about 95 mill in ‘09. Not bad at all. It’s not big market money, but for a team that usually makes smart decisions and does a good job developing young, cheap talent… it’s plenty to compete.
#2 – Even if Turner purchased the Braves, nothing much would change. When Turner owned the Braves, they had a lot of revenue coming in from national TV (on TBS). But in the 90’s the ratings began to decline each year because there were many other sources of nationally televised baseball popping up. Eventually, TBS dropped the Braves because they simply weren’t the ratings draw they once were when it was just about the only nationally televised baseball around.
The Braves revenue just isn’t what it once was, and never will be again. At the same time, average team/player salaries have multiplied, giving huge markets a distinct advantage.
When Ted wrote all those big checks here, he was still making money on the team. NO OWNER could spend much more than the Braves are spending right now without losing significant money every year. And the Ted isn’t as deep-pocketed as he once was. Most of his fortune went down with the AOL ship. So again… even if Ted once again purchased this team, the Braves wouldn’t go back to hanging with the Yankees, Mets, Sox, and Dodgers in payroll. That’s no longer possible.
The Braves have an excellent ownership situation right now.
They write the checks, and get out of the way. That’s the kind of owner Ted was, and Liberty Media has been much the same so far.
Jurrjens4NLCY
December 19th, 2009
8:06 pm
you should probably call yourself ‘bad opinion’
Or “minority’s opinion”…
No. Bad Opinoin is better
njbraves
December 19th, 2009
8:06 pm
Lentz…..You truly are pathetic.
KC
December 19th, 2009
8:10 pm
Robert (Chipper Is The Best): You’re absolutely right. It makes no sense to give up AT LEAST as much talent as we gave up to get Tex… with very little chance of extending A.Gonzalez after a couple of years.
The Tex trade is something the, with the benefit of hindsight, would probably take back if they could. Having said that, it wasn’t as terrible as some think. The centerpieces of that trade were a couple of guys who were very firmly blocked in ATL (Salty was blocked by McCann, and Elvis Andrus by Y.Escobar)… so the only value they had here was trade value.
That would NOT be the case in any trade for Gonzalez. We’d have to give Freeman, at least a couple of our best pitching prospects, and probably a few other pieces… only to see him sign with the Yankees in 2 years, while Freeman very possibly goes on to have a brilliant career in SD.
No thanks.
Chuck James was Solid until the 6th!!!
December 19th, 2009
8:12 pm
DOB
I appreciate the update buddy….Thanks
Bobby's Cox
December 19th, 2009
8:12 pm
Lentz,
HUGE prediction on your part on Romo having a big game. I mean, on the road, against a 13-0 offensive machine. Romo will have a big game because he’ll be throwing on almost every down to keep pace or play catch-up.
HUGE prediction. Not only do you strive to be right all the time, but you predicate to the obvious, which feeds your self-glorification.
I predict the Braves will win at least 50 games next year. Is that how you do it? I will be right won’t I?