8:03 pm December 18, 2009, by David O'Brien
December 18th, 200910:22 pm
I would only want the caveman Damon from Boston, not any Yankee Damon…….so I guess he would have to grow back his beard.
December 18th, 200910:23 pm
Thank you for mentioning that Brent. I went to school with Tyler Flowers and was extremely upset when we traded him.
Freeman will not be ready this year…and probably not next year either… a 2-yr deal and club-option for a 3rd year for LaRoche gives the Braves the best option while Freeman develops and in case he doesn’t.
Brent…great points. It amazing how people scream about things on a daily basis when things don’t happen daily for each team in the offseason. Teams are constantly looking at all options and clearly the Braves plans on acquiring additional players.
December 18th, 200910:27 pm
for anybody who ever travels to new orleans, i highly recommend Mother’s (restaurant) and Lucy’s (bar & grill) … absolutely superb stuff
December 18th, 200910:28 pm
LaRoche is not the only option at 1st, lets see how things shakeout.
December 18th, 200910:29 pm
Damon is out useful in a small park. He is not what we need
December 18th, 200910:30 pm
I meant only
Chris in ATL
December 18th, 200910:31 pm
Once again we see that Wren (aka WRECK) has NO F-ng clue…he’s going to give us a very average 3rd (maybe 4th) place team next year. Bye bye Bobby, Chipper, and HOPEFULLY Wren. I’m shocked to say that I miss the “good old days of Ted Turner.” The Braves have the misfortune of being in a LOUSY sports town – that’s right ATLANTA SUCKS. There’s little support, the idiots of Fulton County and their greed kept Marta from going to the stadium, thus little attendance given the CRIME (thanks soon-to-be Mayor “Pot-hole” Franklin!
Unfortunately I don’t see anything changing anytime soon. We need another moronic billionaire to buy the team and build a stadium on the north side where they’d sell out most nights and avoid the crime, the sleazy, post-Olympic vendors, etc.
Braves or Marlins or maybe some local HS team?
I agree I have concerns about Damon due to defense. I like Seattle’s new model of giving more importance to Defense, especially with the pitching we have. Too bad Mike Cameron didnt work out.
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December 18th, 200910:32 pm
[...] Braves haven’t contacted Adam LaRoche, who quips to Dave O’Brien via text message, “No talk from ATL that I know of. Guess I should have hit .400 while I was [...]
Wayne in Utah
Noah and Brent
So, did you really expect rational thought from some of our bloggers?
We live in a world of instant gratification. Fantasy baseball (not that I am condemning it) where we can wheel and deal without having to deal with real people, their issues and contracts. “I’ll give you a Pujols for your Carl Crawford. I need the steals.”
I have confidence in Frank Wren. He may totally screw things up from this time forth, but up until right now, he has a pretty darned good record. He learned his lesson last fall about revealing too much of his hand, and now we bitch and complain that we don’t hear anything.
On to baseball. Besides Holliday and Bay, who is left on the FA market?? Who is eligible to be acquired via trade? I think we could be looking at slim pickings. Our youngsters are looking better and better every day to me.
Again, patience is the key for true baseball fans. You fantasy losers keep on ranting.
December 18th, 200910:34 pm
What other options at 1st do we have?
No sooner do I complete my post, and Chris from ATL chimes in with his wisdom……
December 18th, 200910:35 pm
Wayne in Utah: available free agents as of today:
Still lots out there and many of these players will take pay cuts. Can you see Miguel Tajada getting $14 million again despite his excellent numbers. If Chipper would move to first I’d love to see someone like Beltre but thats wishful thinking.
December 18th, 200910:36 pm
“What I was referring to was last season I got so tired of getting quality starts from our starters and our Awfense not get them no run support” Tomahawkin
I knew what you meant. Just been too many people exaggerating things lately. I’m in a fact and stat mode, and me razzing you was enough of a reason to look up the numbers to see how often the starters went deep without allowing more than 0 or 1 run and see the results.
But yeah. I listened to most of the games and watched a few. It doesn’t take a rocket surgeon to figure out that the offense’s lack of conisistency let our outstanding pitching staff down more often than they bailed out the pitchers on a poor night from the mound.
So I hear you. Just wanted to do some stat digging and bust your ballz.
I read these same comments about FW last off-season…everyone wanted his head. I’m going to give him time to do what he does…have a little confidence in him…He did a pretty good job last year. As soon as Lowe’s gone, I think he’ll move.
December 18th, 200910:38 pm
We really don’t know who FW is talking to, do we. Our future first baseman could be anybody from Adam LaRoche to Carlos Delgado to Xavier Nady to Nick Swisher. Too many to try to figure out. As hard as it is for us, it is just best to wait and be patient.
What makes the blog fun is to come on and discuss possibilities. But some of these doom and gloomers are a bit much for me to take some nights.
Braves would have to sign LaRoche to a 2 year $20-22 million contract with a team option pushing it to the 3 year $30 million (or a $1-2 million buy out) if they want LaRoche. If they trade Lowe maybe they will do that and take their chances in the OF – with Diaz, McLouth, Heyward, and Schafer they are off to a good start. I just get the sense that the Braves are looking for versatility – a 1B/LF (especially right handed)that they can move around depending on who develops and who does not.
If the Angels really want Vazquez they better be ready to extend him at least 3 years and $36-45 million if they realistically want vazquez to consider giving up his no trade.
yes it is snowing and sleeting in Greensboro – there is at least 4 inches on the ground already
Joe: Branyan, Delgado, Dye, Ryan Garko are a few. Not saying they are all equal although Branyan put up good numbers last year in a pitchers park and would be much cheaper.
December 18th, 200910:40 pm
I don’t see why we’re not making a more serious push at A-Gone. Gonzalez is affordable, locked up for a little while, and the type of difference-making bat we need in the middle of our lineup to protect Chipper and Mac.
Jordan Schafer, Kris Medlen, and Freddie Freeman for the sure thing…. make it happen, Frank.
I pulled up that list about 2 hours ago and printed it out. Gotta go up to the printer and pull it off to go over it…..just for fun!
December 18th, 200910:41 pm
I like Delgado at the right price but dont know his injury status. in 2008 he hit 38 homers, 115 RBI’s in 159 games. That sure would change the lineup.
December 18th, 200910:42 pm
….and the Braves are going to be better next year if they get just average bats to play first and one of the outfield corner slots. I’m surprised that so many people are down on them, with the way their pitching staff looks. Chipper had a horrible year last year and we had no offensive production for two months, and still won 86 games…
With Hanson and Jair a year older and the possibility of the Next Big Thing manning one of the corner outfield slots instead of Garret Anderson, I don’t think we can be worse than we were a year ago. I could be wrong, but I still like this team even if it means a Dero and Nady offseason from this point forward.
December 18th, 200910:43 pm
I think Laroche is the best option on the market. But if we can’t get him I would take Delgado on a 1-year deal. I wouldn’t mind taking Nady and Swisher, too. Although neither are full time 1B.
Well, up here in Alaska, we have had quite a lot of snow recently. In Homer we have had maybe a couple of feet, and the temps stay in the single digits. (We have that warm maritime climate, not like the continental climate of the interior. Love the sea!) Now it’s 9 degrees, and the snow has stopped, so I can see Kachemak Bay very clearly, even in the dark.
I like the fact that Frank Wren has kept his cards closer to his vest during this off-season. If he’s to be an effective trader, the public at large shouldn’t know what’s going on, or he tips his hand. Lowe will find a new home, and Frank will get a RH bat. We got pretty close last year because we had some pitching. In 2010 we’ll have even more pitching, and a bit more run production. Playoffs, here we come.
I really like some of the guys who played for us last year, such as Lowe and LaRoche. Still, hard as it is to handle some days, this is a hard-nosed business. To win, and to stay within the budget, a GM really cannot make decisions based on who is and who isn’t a nice guy. Team players who produce – yep! Wren will do OK. No guarantees, ever, but I’m very hopeful, particularly because of the pitching staff.
By the way, Kawakami is pretty darn good. In his second year, I expect he will be quite impressive.
Atlanta is the one team that LaRoche may be willing to take a $2M/yr discount like $8M-$9M/yr. Chipper is his best friend and everyone lives playing for Bobby. He would probably like to be there for Bobby’s farewell tour…so to speak.
December 18th, 200910:44 pm
Yeah Avatar is that good. Visually, unlike anything Ive ever seen before. Some people say the story isn’t that good, but don’t listen to them. The phrase “must-see film” has an all new meaning, really anyone that’s a movie fan needs to go see it. If you have the chance, go for IMAX, def worth the extra 3 or 4 bucks over the standard 3D…oh yeah, im not a fan of the new 3D stuff, but this movie was just amazing.
December 18th, 200910:46 pm
I don’t think LaRoche will get what he is asking for. It won’t be a discount when he gets 8-9 million or less.
You can’t blame Laroche for looking for maximum money. The guy is in his prime and one of the best 1B on the market. This will probably be the biggest deal that he will get in his career.
December 18th, 200910:48 pm
richbrave, Keeper, Thrillhouse44 – Looking good for the CAA in the I-AA Championship – and, as I type that, Villanova loses a ton of yards…
December 18th, 200910:51 pm
Is there absolutely no interest in Jason Bay?
I have seen where some question his defense but he is the answer offensively based on what I have read…….
December 18th, 200910:55 pm
So what about Russel Branyan?
There’s no interist in him by the Braves?
December 18th, 200910:58 pm
As a lifelong Seattle fan and now Braves I can tell you that the reason Branyan hasnt resigned with Seattle is because he thinks he earned a multi year deal (2 years probably) and seattle was only offering one year. Seattle is also rumored with just about every other player out there including LaRoche.
December 18th, 200910:59 pm
You mentioned a suggestion I hadn’t thought of; trade Vazquez for prospects, and then turn around and trade those prospects for Adrian Gonzales.
I dont think that will work, because we would still have to add more prospects (or MLB talent) to get Gonzales, and we have Freeman waiting in the wings.
That being said, the Braves could trade Vazquez for prospects, and then turn around and trade those prospects for another legit hitter from another team.
The A Bomb
December 18th, 200911:03 pm
Jake W. — If you remember we debated this during the summer.
My point is, to increase attendance the Braves need to make a splash to get the city excited. Xavier Nady won’t sell tickets. Troy Glaus won’t sell tickets (anymore). Marlon Byrd will not sell tickets. Mark DeRosa will not sell tickets.
15,000 attendance for teams in contention does not equate to a home field advantage.
Tired of hearing Freeman is waiting in the wings. Last year Schaefer was waiting in the wings. If Freeman comes up and is decent in 2011 or 2012 great but a lot could happen before then. I love having prospects but thats what they are until they establis themselves. Who is the braves #1 prospect, Heyward of Freeman?
ok, lets pretend its the final home game at the Ted. What will be the parting gifts for Bobby Cox?
How about a World Series Championship?
December 18th, 200911:04 pm
The A Bomb: There isn’t any free agents available that I think would excite the fan base that much that they will sell that many more tickets over night. A first place winning team over the course of the year will do it more then any FA available. Of course a healthy Delgado launching bombs would help.
December 18th, 200911:05 pm
The ending of the Montana – Villanova game might be interesting…
Heyward is 1, Freeman is 2
Actually, it [Heyward, McLouth and Schafer] might be a hell of an outfield DOB
O’Brien knows best.
December 18th, 200911:06 pm
Did Marlon Byrd officially sign with the Cubs?
I hope Szczur does get drafted by some baseball team, and he leaves ‘Nova…
December 18th, 200911:08 pm
At least, losing to the eventual national champion (by one freaking point) is better than…many of the other options…
December 18th, 200911:10 pm
Marlon Byrd is still a FA
D-II or D-III games interest me more than Montana and Villanova
December 18th, 200911:12 pm
joerochester – thanks for your input????
December 18th, 200911:14 pm
Just trying to keep the conversation lively, Jim.
Noah — That is why I say Wren needs to pull a blockbuster deal.
Diaz is tradeable. He is a perfect DH.
Schafer is tradeable. Former top prospect.
Medlen is tradeable. Electric movement on his pitches.
Go pry a BIG NAME away from someone by combining other players with Lowe. Wren needs to make a splash.
This free agent group is not worth getting involved with.
December 18th, 200911:16 pm
Diaz doesn’t have enough power to be a good DH.
December 18th, 200911:17 pm
joerochester – no problem – just trying to rouse my CAA brethren who represent two of the past four I-AA champions (and are blog regulars) – and I represent the team that lost to ‘Nova last week…
Unless he’s around a powerful lineup like the Yankees.
joerochester — Matt Diaz is a hitter. If the Yankees can sign Nick Johnson to be a DH Matt Diaz can fit the same category with MORE power.
My point is A-Bomb that that is not necessarily the case. Braves are never going to consistently sell out that big stadium. No matter who you bring in. 50,000 a night isn’t going to happen. I think attendance wise in the 90’s they overachieved. Atlanta although a major city in the south its people are still more small town than big city. Native Georgians and Atlantans that is. We don’t have the population to compete with the New York or LA teams or some of the larger market teams. This is a mid market team that draws like one now. No 15,000 attendance for any team isn’t nice but a last ditch unlikely playoff spurt in the middle of a flood (literally) isn’t going to get the people running torward the gates. Especially in this economy.
December 18th, 200911:18 pm
I’m a state school graduate, Jim. Division III and Division II is all I know.
December 18th, 200911:19 pm
Yeah, I understand your point A bomb. But take a look at the average DH. The average HR total is around 25/year.
December 18th, 200911:20 pm
Stopgaps don’t win pennants.
December 18th, 200911:21 pm
joerochester – in NY (I’m originally from Long Island)?
Winning teams sell tickets. You won’t see 15k a night if they are winning, of course that wasn’t the average last year either. 50k a night no, but who does that outside of Boston, the Cubs and Yankees.
December 18th, 200911:22 pm
I’m at The College at Brockport, SUNY.
December 18th, 200911:23 pm
If the Braves trade Lowe, would they be able to hold on to LaRoche? I don’t understand, they need a first baseman and if they want to wait on bring up Freeman, why not keep LaRoche? They can pay him with part of Lowe’s salary. Also, also if they trade him after the year he’s had, Chipper gonna be mad too. THEY NEED OFFENSE don’t they? They need a big bat. LaRoche is a big bat AND a pretty slick fielding first basement. Think I’m gonna be mad like Chipper gonna be.
December 18th, 200911:24 pm
I think it’s a matter of Laroche accepting a short term deal because we want a bridge to Freeman. Plus, he’s a free agent so he is going to hear some offers from other teams.
Jake W. — You’re right. 50,000 is unrealistic. But 25.000 would be a start.
Empty seats do not make noise. One thing I’ve noticed about Atlanta teams over the years. Even if a team wins, if it doesn’t connect to the region it will not draw. Look at the attendance for Falcons games — falling. Braves games — falling.
Now watch the Hawks — they are starting to connect. Big crowd tonight for Utah. They’re a young, deep, talented exciting team and people will come out because of the championship potential.
Now back to the Braves. In ‘91 on they connected because they were like the Hawks.
Maybe that is the formula…young, talented and exciting. Maybe with Hanson, Jurrjens, Heyward on the way and Freeman in the wings things will start happening.
December 18th, 200911:25 pm
Mr. DH who I believe the award was renamed after, Edgar Martinez was not really a home run hitter. Sure he hit 25-30 during his prime but he was more of a doubles hitter and an RBI guy. People tend to think of the HR but nowadays baseball people are using more advanced numbers and RBI/double guys are just as valuable.
December 18th, 200911:27 pm
Noah, you’re, right. Winning helps everything but some people take those small crowds that usually happen during the weekday when school is in and run with it. Braves attendance usually has patterns. I don’t know about other teams and their attendance. The braves summer and weekend attendance is probably never that low. Its like clockwork. They start off slow in attendance then school lets out and the crowds get larger. School starts attendance goes down. Weekend attendance usually higher than weekday. Thats pretty much how it goes for the braves attendance wise.
December 18th, 200911:28 pm
I don’t get why everyone is upset about LaRoche. The Braves may be able to afford him but do they want to at his asking price. So far no teams wants him at that price. Lets see what happens in January.
Would you take LaRoche at $10 million for 3 years, Dye at 7 for 1 year or Branyon at $5 million for 2 years. Then there is Delgado. Is he healthy, if so he would be my first choice
December 18th, 200911:32 pm
I have an idea, since this is taking a while. Why not see if Pittsburgh would take Kawakami for Millige (OF), he’s got a great upside and is cheap and a great prospect for years to come. Both have great upsides and we actually save money there and can go after a bopper 1B.
December 18th, 200911:35 pm
Jake: Right on. Its the same with other teams. Weekends are always the highest along with promotions. Back in the early 90’s in Seattle when baseball was indoors and the team stunk each year they were lucky to get 10-15k some nights during the week. Certainly star power brings in some fans and winning helps a lot especially when a team hasn’t won for a while, it creates a buzz around town.
Personally I think that some of the coverage surrounding the team or lack thereof adds to it as well. The pregame shows on radio/tv seem to be shorter then some teams and less player interviews. Fan identify better when they hear the players on the radio etc. Seattle has become such a baseball town that they have hour long weekly shows on the weekend, nightly pregame and postgame shows on the fox sports channel and every pregame on radio would have a player type interview plus the manager piece. Maybe eventually the Braves radio network will do a little more coverage, in my 2 years here I have been surprised by it.
Braves trade Brian Barton for Mitch Jones LOL!
Dodgers signed Barton today.
December 18th, 200911:36 pm
If Pittsburgh gave away anyone I’d want to look at Garrett Jones. Dude has some pop.
December 18th, 200911:37 pm
What’s the capacity of Turner Field?
Jones is a former Braves prospect.
December 18th, 200911:39 pm
I saw him play AAA at Rochester for the Twins organization. He looked pretty good.
“Then there is Delgado.If healthy,he would be my first choice.”
Agree Noah. He would be a deal plus trying to regain his value.
Andrew in PA
3 way trade
Angels- Javy V, Schafer
Padres- Freeman, Prospects/Players from Angels (maybe braves throw someone else in)
Braves- well you know where this is going Gonzalez (maybe could we get Rivera too)
Mets would probably be going after Delgado, too, don’t you think?
December 18th, 200911:40 pm
Delgado — another lefthanded bat. Just what we need.
TG from CA
December 18th, 200911:42 pm
You can get 50,000 a game. You take the money you give Lowe and divide up by your home games. You take that money and you give it away to a fan in the bottom of the eight every night. You would be giving away nearly 200K per home to a lucky fan.. If you had a 50,000 to one shot to win 200K, you would take those odds. Fan must be present to win. Now you sellouts everynight and a strong fan base. Doesnt bring you a championship, but it sells out the home games
December 18th, 200911:43 pm
Just shoveled front walk – for my kids’Boston Terriers if you had to ask. It has already snowed a foot near Charlottesville, VA. That’s about 2″/hour since 5PM. We’re screwed if it keeps snowing until early Sunday morning. But, alas, the Tullamore Dew tastes lovely.
Lowe and Laroche: let’s assume that the FO knows that moving Lowe is not quite as easy as they might have hoped – and why wouldn’t it be. With a limited number of interested, capable teams who might exploit the Brave’s desire to get rid of Lowe and perhaps even their desire to sign LaRoche, or Nady, or whomever, before they get away, the Braves might find themselves in a tough bargaining position. In this light, signing LaRoche for 3 years at $9MM/per in an economy (broader trend) where salaries for hitters seem to be declining could be problematic in year 2 or 3 if Freeman is ready in one of those years. So, they are going slow – no more, no less. They are not going to commit to a hitter until they’ve rid themselves of a pitcher. And, what are the odds, if they want to extend Vasquez, that it will be close to $15MM/yr?
December 18th, 200911:45 pm
Can’t believe DOB found something to write about in his new blog. Of course, LaRoche news is no news for braves fans because Wren has apparantly ticked him off anyways. Why would he now take a one year deal to make Wren happy when the guy apparantly wouldn’t phone him or his agent a few times to let him know what’s up? Oh, I know, he’s been busy signing old arms like Wagner/Saito, re-uping TJ Huddy(TJ Hooker, get it?) and strengthening the Gwinnette Braves.
Wagner & Saito are ok with me, just don’t excite me in the least.
December 18th, 200911:47 pm
joerochester, not sure the exact number but its either a little over or a little under 50,000. I think its one of the largerst stadiums out there. Not the largest though, I think thats the Dodgers.
Noah, on what you said about the publicity of the team, thats very true. Atlanta in general does a very bad job of backing its team. On the news they are hardly a mention in the little 5 min sports clips that are usually dominated by college or high school sports. I’m sure when the Celtics are winning in Boston that town is painted green. I remember watching a highlight on Espn with Lebron hitting a game winning shots and the newscasters screaming during the broadcast. That won’t happen in Atlanta. Braves went on their little run at the end of the season and the only people really talking about it were Joe and Boog on the braves broadcast. Hard to draw the casual fan in when people aren’t talking about you.
December 18th, 200911:48 pm
I wonder how much $$ Vazquez will look for in an extension.
December 18th, 200911:51 pm
I miss the days of the Braves games on TBS. I live in NY so I don’t get to see many of them unless they play the Mets.
THE BEAR Illegitimi non carborundum
December 18th, 200911:52 pm
I noticed you mentioned earlier today that you planned to go to Bangkok for a vacation. If you like seafood try to get to the SEAFOOD MARKET, a restaurant. It is the best seafood I have ever eaten.
I used to travel to Bangkok on a regular basis and always made it to the place at least each trip.
December 18th, 200911:53 pm
December 18th, 200911:56 pm
December 18th, 200911:57 pm
“I miss the days of the Braves games on TBS. I live in NY so I don’t get to see many of them unless they play the Mets.”
Me too… Could not agree more.
joerochester…you can pay for all the games you want on mlb.com if interested.
Anyone know who is replacing Boog on tv and Chip Carey too or was Chip just replaced for his TBS part of his job
December 18th, 200911:58 pm
Wren does rush and he shows all of his cards. Sigh!
Something is up though. Either the Braves have targeted someone or they lack a plan. Why not talk to LaRoche? He can be traded IF Freeman hits well in AA and then hits well in AAA and if he then can make the step to the major leagues.
December 18th, 200911:59 pm
Chip was fired from all his jobs. Braves, TBS everything.
December 19th, 200912:00 am
I miss the days the Braves went out and got what they needed and didnt wait to see what’s left and affordable…pullleze mediocre ownership wants least invested and best money return …NOT CHAMPIONSHIPS!!!….half full stadium is okay with weekend sellouts..wildcard keeps us in the race till Sept. blah blah blah
Watch how the new Seattle GM Jack Z is running things. He never shows his cards, always says competition is open, never tips his hat anyway and is becoming known as a smart trader. Two 3 team trades in 2 years. Love the focus on defense too.
December 19th, 200912:02 am
Seems to me the Braves do go out and get what they need. They sure did last offseason and this year seems to be the same.
December 19th, 200912:07 am
Why not Carlos Delgado at first? I know that he is old and has had problems with injuries in the past few years, but he still can hit 30-35 homers a year and drive in 85-90 RBI’s and he is probably only looking for a 1 or 2 year deal. Then if we could get Juan Rivera from the Angels (which is a longshot i know)we would be set, or even if we got Nady or Derosa. Nady hit 45 homers before his injury.
With our pitching that lineup could compete with anyone
December 19th, 200912:08 am
Max..agree if Delgado is healty. He hit 38 homers, 115 rbi’s in 2008. Lineup would be awesome with him.
December 19th, 200912:16 am
braves should go for a ton of depth here..its a great market to try to do that…you could probably get dye around 5 mill,then get delgado and glaus to play first..you could add alot of power for 15 mill on 3 players..derosa’s price may fall to 5 mill a year at the way their talking
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