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Prez of Matt Diaz Fan Club
December 18th, 2009
9:17 pm
DOUCHE BAG is that you Frank Wren?
Opinion
December 18th, 2009
9:17 pm
better yet, bring smoltzie back for 2 mil and trade KK to get rid of his contract
FEAR
December 18th, 2009
9:18 pm
I wanna see this supposed ESPN link about lowe being traded. Where is it Lentz?
Opinion
December 18th, 2009
9:18 pm
I love Terry Pendleton but not as our hitting coach we need to bring back Don Baylor
Prez of Matt Diaz Fan Club
December 18th, 2009
9:19 pm
abwright, Mistake number one is assuming they’d have to trade LaRoche. Don’t make assumptions regarding players who have never played in the big leagues i.e. Freeman,
Opinion
December 18th, 2009
9:19 pm
I say bring back Julio Franco I’m sure he’ll be able to hit when he is 60
Paul Lentz
December 18th, 2009
9:19 pm
Opinion………Smoltz isnt going to sign with the Braves for $2 mil to work the 7th inning.
Paul Lentz
December 18th, 2009
9:20 pm
FEAR………someone made a BS posting using my name.
Opinion
December 18th, 2009
9:21 pm
No, I said Smoltz needs to be the 5th starter for 2 mil and trade KK to get rid of his contract
Tomahawkin
December 18th, 2009
9:21 pm
Like I said before the F.O will go Cheap, “Mark it down”! Thanks Liberty Media!
Opinion
December 18th, 2009
9:22 pm
Hawks lookin good tonight
Prez of Matt Diaz Fan Club
December 18th, 2009
9:23 pm
You know you’re having a sad offseason when the signings of Mitch Jones and Joe Thurston muster news coverage.
The Man Behind the Curtain
December 18th, 2009
9:23 pm
the braves are never going to win diddly until they jettison cox, waive old man larry, get a corner outfielders who can actually hit 30 homeruns!!!
gonzalez can be had for 6 million a year and they sign a guy coming off tommy johnson surgery for 7 million???? judas smoltz could close for a third of that probabamly.
FEAR
December 18th, 2009
9:23 pm
are we going to have to start having usernames and passwords? I work in IT. I can arrange it.
Paul Lentz
December 18th, 2009
9:23 pm
Opinion………..you can forget about Smoltz signing with the Braves for $2 mil to pitch in ANY capacity for the Braves.
Also, the Braves arent going to trade both Lowe and Kawakami. Trading Lowe is going to be hard enough as it is. Trading Kawakami and getting proper value in return for him will be even more difficult.
Opinion
December 18th, 2009
9:24 pm
To be fair to Liberty Media, they have actually increased payroll from 82 mil when they took over to 96 mil now for this year. Even though I would prefer Ted Turner or Arthur Blank
Heath
December 18th, 2009
9:25 pm
1. Kate Beckinsale
2. Penelope Cruz
3. Jessica Biel
Not a bad top 3, huh?
Prez of Matt Diaz Fan Club
December 18th, 2009
9:26 pm
Paul Lentz I say the braves are going to give away Lowe – a trade at this point is nothing but a euphemism. To trade one needs to get something of value in return. I guess a rich team eating his salary counts. But, I call it a give away.
jeffrey d
December 18th, 2009
9:26 pm
To be fair to Liberty Media, they have actually increased payroll from 82 mil when they took over to 96 mil now for this year
And I don’t know the exact ranking, but the Braves have been in the upper half of payroll. And in the lower half of attendance. People calling Liberty “cheap” need to think that through.
Then again, I guess reason has never been a cornerstone of the ol’ blog.
Dr. Phil
December 18th, 2009
9:26 pm
Wren, you #@$%, please don’t dump LaRoche again.
FEAR
December 18th, 2009
9:27 pm
Heath – 1. Cody Lane
2. Lacey Duvalle
3. Regan Reese
Ohhhhhhh you meant regular movies
Chancellor of The "Punt Prado" Google Group
December 18th, 2009
9:28 pm
Martin Prado for Heath Bell sounds good to me.
Marc in FL
December 18th, 2009
9:29 pm
Why don’t we wait and see what we get for Lowe before assuming, we know what assuming does don’t we?
Opinion
December 18th, 2009
9:29 pm
Everyone needs to remember back in 2006 a lot of people were screaming to get LaRoche out of Atlanta me included. If we could sign him to a one year deal the fine. But do not forget the LaRoche that we knew before this last year, lots of strike outs, lots of swings and misses, lots of disappointments in clutch time.
Prez of Matt Diaz Fan Club
December 18th, 2009
9:29 pm
jeffrey d Have you ever heard of something called inflation? “Each year, the payroll changed for every team as did the winning percentage. However, to properly analyze the value of the payroll, rather than specific dollar amount, adjustments to the payroll amount had to be made. A payroll of $50 million in 1995 has significantly more value than a payroll of $50 million in 2007 due to economic inflation. In order to account for this decrease in the value of the currency, adjustments were made to reflect the monetary value of the payrolls rather than simply dollar amounts.” http://www.stat.uiowa.edu/~kcowles/s30…/hawbakerMLBWinning.doc
jeffrey d
December 18th, 2009
9:31 pm
we know what assuming does don’t we?
It makes a hiney out of u and me
Prez of Matt Diaz Fan Club
December 18th, 2009
9:31 pm
I propose we trade Wren for a bag of balls.
jeffrey d
December 18th, 2009
9:33 pm
A payroll of $50 million in 1995 has significantly more value than a payroll of $50 million in 2007 due to economic inflation
Yes, thank you Copernicus. The Braves were ranked 12th in payroll in the majors in 2009 (no inflation neecessary for 2009). Considering our poor attendance, I’d say 12th and $95 million is pretty good.
http://espn.go.com/mlb/teams/salaries?team=atl
18 Wheels of Love
December 18th, 2009
9:33 pm
500 Days of Summer was a great flick. I’m a huge fan of the underrated Zoey Deschanel.
The A Bomb
December 18th, 2009
9:34 pm
jeffrey d — Don’t get me started on attendance again. For the 15,000 outfield drinkers the Braves get per game they’re lucky to have the payroll dollars they get.
That’s why it’s important to get some players who put butts in seats. Not guys coming out of a M*A*S*H unit like Nady and Glaus.
jeffrey d
December 18th, 2009
9:39 pm
Here’s a question to anybody who knows – I know Liberty is responsible for payroll, but what else do they pay for? Managers (I assume)? Front office? Minor league rosters/management?
Prez of Matt Diaz Fan Club
December 18th, 2009
9:39 pm
Liberty pays for the whole damn thing
Prez of Matt Diaz Fan Club
December 18th, 2009
9:40 pm
Minor league rosters/management? I’m not sure about that though
jeffrey d
December 18th, 2009
9:41 pm
That’s what I was more curious about. I think I’ve heard that owners aren’t responsible for minor league affiliates, but who pays for them??
Prez of Matt Diaz Fan Club
December 18th, 2009
9:41 pm
Who else sees this offseason going to sh%$ ?
Opinion
December 18th, 2009
9:42 pm
It could be worse nay sayers on Liberty Media, they could be just killing the franchise in value by not keeping the payroll at 12th in MLB and do a (Pittsburgh Pirate Management Technique). Even though we know they wont do this do to them selling the team in 2011
huan81
December 18th, 2009
9:42 pm
Is it just me or is anyone else a little bummed we’re actually looking at DeRosa? Here’s a guy who could barely crack the lineup with this team five years ago and now he’s the answer in the outfield?
Regressing…
Opinion
December 18th, 2009
9:43 pm
I hope Arthur Blank can afford the Braves in 2011, however I think he would have to sell off some of the falcons to afford them
Duke
December 18th, 2009
9:44 pm
Chipper won’t be happy about this…
Opinion
December 18th, 2009
9:44 pm
Mark Derosa would be a horrible option, I guess everyone doesn’t remember his days in Atlanta
Prez of Matt Diaz Fan Club
December 18th, 2009
9:44 pm
Speaking about the Myrtle Beach Pelicans, Wikipedia says, “They are the only Braves affiliate without the name “Braves”, as well as the only Braves affiliate not owned by their Major League Baseball counterpart.”
jeffrey d
December 18th, 2009
9:45 pm
Who else sees this offseason going to sh%$ ?
Only the loonies.
Alert Braves Fan
December 18th, 2009
9:45 pm
“Who else sees this offseason going to sh%$ ?”
*raises hand*
CameronC
December 18th, 2009
9:45 pm
NCBravesFan… Im in Eden, its about 6 inches here right now and still pouring.
Warrick Dunn
December 18th, 2009
9:45 pm
however I think he would have to sell off some of the falcons to afford them
On it.
Opinion
December 18th, 2009
9:47 pm
I think Jermaine Dye needs to come back to Atlanta at like 5 mil
Braves Lifer
December 18th, 2009
9:47 pm
Opinion- Just because your name is opinion does that mean that you have to have one about everything? If you feel the answer to this is yes; please try to make your opinions more insightful. Right now it appears that all of your “opinions” are being made by a kid who licks windows on the short bus.
Opinion
December 18th, 2009
9:50 pm
Braves Lifer you are probably one of those people who thought John Smoltz was treated fairly am I right?
Prez of Matt Diaz Fan Club
December 18th, 2009
9:51 pm
Opinion I waited 18 seconds for you to retort. That’s it?
Prez of Matt Diaz Fan Club
December 18th, 2009
9:51 pm
180 seconds for the record
jeffrey d
December 18th, 2009
9:52 pm
Who peed in your coffee, Braves Lifer? He’s made some good points, and compared to some people on here he could pass for Newton or Mozart.
I mean, seriously…I’ve seen people propose Derek Lowe for Ryan Braun, and you pick on this guy?
Opinion
December 18th, 2009
9:52 pm
I wasn’t going to give my opinion on Smoltz I was going to give my opinion on whatever his response was on the smoltz situation
Braves Lifer
December 18th, 2009
9:53 pm
John Smoltz was treated fairly. Was he worth the money that Boston gave him?
jeffrey d
December 18th, 2009
9:53 pm
Braves Lifer you are probably one of those people who thought John Smoltz was treated fairly am I right?
ahh…just when I stand up for the guy.
Opinion
December 18th, 2009
9:54 pm
I have always been pro-Smoltz by the way…….Frank wren, thats for another day
Prez of Matt Diaz Fan Club
December 18th, 2009
9:54 pm
It’s almost Christmas and we’re fighting on a braves blog. What have the Braves done to us?
Braves Lifer
December 18th, 2009
9:54 pm
jeffrey d- Are you kidding me? What good points did he make?
joerochester
December 18th, 2009
9:55 pm
Smoltz wanted way too much money, and he got it from Boston last year.
18 Wheels of Love
December 18th, 2009
9:55 pm
We already have a DeRosa, his name is Omar Infante. Let’s get a next level bat.
Heath
December 18th, 2009
9:56 pm
Yes… I meant regular movies. lol
Prez of Matt Diaz Fan Club
December 18th, 2009
9:56 pm
Braves Lifer, stop worrying so much about Opinion’s opinion. Pun notwithstanding.
Opinion
December 18th, 2009
9:56 pm
I will not spew on my reasoning for smoltz due to the fact that this blog will erupt so we will move on…
jeffrey d
December 18th, 2009
9:58 pm
It’s almost Christmas and we’re fighting on a braves blog. What have the Braves done to us?
When have we ever gotten along? The Braves could trade Pujols for a toilet brush and we’d still disagree.
Noah
December 18th, 2009
9:58 pm
Why you don’t sign LaRoche now: Because he is asking more then anyone wants to pay, lets see where it stands in January/Feb. Its not just the Braves that don’t want to pay him $10million.
Trading Vasquez: Will not get as much as Braves fans think. Remember he is in his last year and teams don’t like to give up prospects or major league guys that are good for one year, they would get less then Seattle gave for Cliff Lee.
Opinion
December 18th, 2009
9:58 pm
My favorite part of this blog so far:
No idiots saying: (30-24) HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now those people make me sick
Prez of Matt Diaz Fan Club
December 18th, 2009
9:58 pm
jeffrey d when you’re right you’re right
joerochester
December 18th, 2009
9:59 pm
Seattle gave some decent prospects for Cliff Lee.
Braves Lifer
December 18th, 2009
9:59 pm
Ok I admit it Matt Diaz peed in my coffee. That’s why I was mad at opinion. My bad man it is Christmas and I should be more jolly.
Thrillhouse44
December 18th, 2009
9:59 pm
Toilet brush? Sounds like Wren. Everyone knows that we shouldn’t go higher than the urinal splash guard for Pujols.
Prez of Matt Diaz Fan Club
December 18th, 2009
10:00 pm
They’re you go! It’s snowing in G’boro, NC – howabout in ATL?
jeffrey d
December 18th, 2009
10:00 pm
Now those people make me sick
That’s in response to Tech fans posting the 45-42 score everywhere last year. They beat UGA twice in a decade and all of a sudden you’d think they owned the world. It is getting annoying, but those Techies were getting waaaay too cocky.
Opinion
December 18th, 2009
10:01 pm
Also a Vasquez trade for prospects would be counter productive…..due to the fact that we gave up 4 pretty good prospects for a pitcher with a 4+ ERA from the White Sox……unless were getting 4 Jason Heywards in return it would be a bad deal
Thrillhouse44
December 18th, 2009
10:02 pm
I’m already snowed-in in VA, Prez of an Awesome Club. And no letting up in site. Good thing I have plenty of Crown.
Prez of Matt Diaz Fan Club
December 18th, 2009
10:02 pm
My ATROCIOUS SYNTAX IS BOTHERING ME. There you go. Not They’re! My bad!
jeffrey d
December 18th, 2009
10:02 pm
Toilet brush? Sounds like Wren. Everyone knows that we shouldn’t go higher than the urinal splash guard for Pujols.
For real. And how are our players supposed to play when they can’t go to the bathroom in those filthy conditions? Horrible, horrible move.
Heath
December 18th, 2009
10:02 pm
I agree that giving LaRoche a 2-yr deal with club-option 3rd year would be wise… 8/yr. He’s take it right now….loves Chipper and Bobby.
jeffrey d
December 18th, 2009
10:03 pm
They’re you go! It’s snowing in G’boro, NC – howabout in ATL?
No, it just got really cold and rained all day to make everyone miserable.
Prez of Matt Diaz Fan Club
December 18th, 2009
10:03 pm
I moved away from Milwaukee to get away from the snow. Go figure!
Heath
December 18th, 2009
10:03 pm
wise (sp?)
Noah
December 18th, 2009
10:03 pm
Love the offseason. Good GM’s work behind the scenes until a team is done, so fans complain their team isn’t doing anything, is cheap and will be losers but then the team makes their moves and is competitive.
Look at how many free agents are still available, many will go for bargain prices. Some good players from reports aren’t even getting nibbles yet.
Tech Sucks
December 18th, 2009
10:05 pm
(30-24) HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Prez of Matt Diaz Fan Club
December 18th, 2009
10:05 pm
Has anyone seen Avatar yet. I had tickets but a mustang really isn’t suited to drive on unsalted roads. That’s one thing I miss about living in WI. When it snows the roads are taken care of by the city
Noah
December 18th, 2009
10:06 pm
Joe..yes Seattle gave some decent prospects but not their top prospects and many scouts say they like them but don’t love them. Point is nothing to help the phillies this year and Seattle kept their best prospects. People in Seattle think trader Jack is a genius for keeping their top prospects and getting a cy young guy for at least one year. Javier Vasquez is good but not a cy young so the return would be less.
Opinion
December 18th, 2009
10:06 pm
Knew you couldn’t keep the trailer trash outta this blog for to long.
joerochester
December 18th, 2009
10:07 pm
I live close to Buffalo. You have no idea what snow is like until you live up this way.
Jake W.
December 18th, 2009
10:07 pm
Don’t get me started on attendance again. For the 15,000 outfield drinkers the Braves get per game they’re lucky to have the payroll dollars they get. -The A Bomb
Braves ranked 15th in attendance last year. Can’t get more middle of the pact than that. Especially considering they haven’t made the playoffs since 2005. Braves are basically pulling what mediocre teams usually pull. Besides attendance isn’t directly linked to payroll and how much you can spend. If it is I have to imagine Cardinal fans have quite a few questions about why there payroll isn’t larger. They have good attendance numbers all the time. They’ve been 4th in the league in attendance for 4 straight years behind only the large market teams like the Mets, Yanks, and Dodgers.
Noah
December 18th, 2009
10:07 pm
If your not going to resign Vasquez the question becomes can you get more value now or win with him this year and take the 2 draft picks.
Tech Sucks
December 18th, 2009
10:08 pm
You brought it up brother.
Noah
December 18th, 2009
10:09 pm
So the braves are in the middle attendance wise but in the top 11 for payroll. I can’t believe people complain about their payroll when they are right up there with most teams.
Prez of Matt Diaz Fan Club
December 18th, 2009
10:09 pm
Who and what is trailer trash referring to? Avatar? Please! Dude, get a life and chill out. Unless you’re getting paid by the AJC or Liberty Media your insistence to keep the topic strictly on the Braves 100% of the time is a tad obsessive
joerochester
December 18th, 2009
10:09 pm
Noah,
Javy is definitely Cy Young like, at least this past season. He’s been one of the most consistent pitchers in the last several years. Almost guaranteed to get 200+ innings and 200+ strikeouts. You might not get top prospects, but you would get a decent return. Philly was looking to replenish their farm by giving away two of their top prospects in Michael Taylor and Kyle Drabek.
Opinion
December 18th, 2009
10:12 pm
common Diaz, you are taking this too seriously I can care less if people talk about uga or tech, i was joking when I said that statement………relax
Noah
December 18th, 2009
10:13 pm
Joerochester…I love Javy and agree he was cy young like all the way. Just think it would be less then Cliff Lee and today teams are less likely to give tons of value for one year guys. But obviously a few teams like the Angels really need some pitching and would. Next years FA pitchers should look good with Cliff Lee, Vasquez and others if they don’t sign extensions before hand.
Daybed Wagmoe
December 18th, 2009
10:14 pm
DOB – I noticed the Twitter feed a day or two ago, actually.
joerochester
December 18th, 2009
10:14 pm
Noah,
You’re right about most likely getting less for Javy than Lee. I just think Javy is one of the most underrated pitchers in the league.
Opinion
December 18th, 2009
10:15 pm
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion…..no pun intended
FoxNoise.net
December 18th, 2009
10:19 pm
The Braves will be looking to trade for a guy like LaRoche again by August.
Noah
December 18th, 2009
10:20 pm
An example of the times is Miguel Tejada who hit .313 last year with nearly .800 ops may have to change positions to get a job according to Foxsports
Noah
December 18th, 2009
10:20 pm
David O’Brien of the Atlanta Journal Constitution tweets that Johnny Damon has some interest in signing with the Braves. The outfielder would have to be willing to take a pay cut to join the club, in O’Brien’s opinion.
brent a.
December 18th, 2009
10:21 pm
Perhaps Wren does act hastily; but, I’d like to give him the off-season before I get over-anxious about how the re-shaping of the bullpen has developed.
Wren did have a pretty successful off-season last year, despite the fact that things might have gone much worse had he been successful in some of his early pursuits (namely Furcal and Burnett).
Also, remember the blog blow-up when the Braves gave up Tyler Flowers in a deal for Vazquez?
Right now, Vazquez might potentially yield us a Flowers-caliber prospect + more; or, he may go out and win a Cy Young award in a Braves uniform.
Wren is not above criticism; but, it’s also still December 18th.