8:03 pm December 18, 2009, by David O'Brien
December 20th, 20092:07 pm
Paul Lentz: No, I didn’t read it. Because even though you have some cogent points and good things to say, I can’t sift through the vitriol, personal attacks, childish insults and self-serving proclamations to pluck the relevant stuff out. So I just skip it all. And someone usually complains and asks us to delete much of it.
Steve from OH
December 20th, 20092:09 pm
but not Nickelback?
Oh dude, I don’t even know how to respond to that…just…ugh. They’re not melodic because they’re not good at their instruments (comparatively speaking, of course). They’re just…packaged, processed cheese.
DOB–I’d recommend giving Savatage a listen, since we’re on the music talk again.
Salamander–a Norwegian black metal band with Pink Floyd overtones? Well, at least no one can say they’re not creative…
slowhiteguy and PL,
The only reason the Braves would be linked to talks with Bay is because no know wants him, except for the Mets. Instead of getting 5 years, he’ll get 4 maybe even 3. If so, then the Braves could be interested because of a shorter termed deal. Holliday has greater interest and has Boras as a client. He’ll want 6 to 7 to 8 years. Braves can NOT do Holliday because Jurrjens, Hanson, Heyward, Escobar, and co. will be getting raises, significant raises. They can’t afford Holliday at 17M in 2012 when JJ and Escobar will be making close to that. Does that make sense to you?
December 20th, 20092:10 pm
Pray for me…I’m about to drug to my g/f’s family Xmas party…. ‘zzzzzzzzzzzzz’
Rob in pain from (SC)
December 20th, 20092:12 pm
I don’t get the Athletics signing Coco Crisp. Rajai Davis had a really good season, and Crisp is coming off of surgery on both shoulders.
December 20th, 20092:13 pm
This is Lentz’s “plan”
Let the Mets bid against themselves. That will be more money they can’t spend on pitching
December 20th, 20092:14 pm
“If the Braves hadn’t traded for McLouth last summer, I’d bet they’d be the favorites to land Bay right now”
I’d rather have McLouth anyways. If Bay goes to Citi Field watch he & Nate be neck & neck in the HR department, while Nate will definitely play the better D & with obviously more speed. Another Wren move that’s gone a little too unnoticed around here. Hernandez/Morton…. not going into it, it was just a good trade.
Nickelback sucks… that guy is a “partier” and a “rock star” & he’s gonna shout it to the world man.
Steve from OH: Savatage? No. Nothing personal, dude, but I’ve got more than enough music from the genres that I prefer these days — too much to even get to it all, actually — for me to start listening to a metal band that I missed during the ’80s. That’s just not what I listen to anymore. If I’m in the mood, I can throw on some Nugent or my old Kiss Destroyer or Dressed to Kill LPs. But thanks.
December 20th, 20092:16 pm
Eh, your loss man.
Jurrjens….agreed. I don’t think the Braves are anywhere near getting either Bay or Holliday..thus my comment that they will have to settle for Nady. I was only agreeing in theory with Lentz that if the Braves were to somehow offer Bay a contract, I would rather see them increase the money and offer Holliday instead..both of which will never happen.
Cubs should look at Ankiel and Podsenik first, then Byrd. Actually, If I’m Hendry, I’m moving Fukudome to CF, Soriano to RF (If I can’t trade him) and then signing Bay. And calling up Castro.
December 20th, 20092:17 pm
And don’t talk smack about my dude Ted Nugent…
December 20th, 20092:18 pm
What is your thoughts on when Lee Hyde and Craig Kimbrel will be ready.
Also do the Braves have interest in finding another Loogy for the pen
December 20th, 20092:19 pm
December 20th, 20092:20 pm
I’m fine with Nady, best need to understand that this isn’t the same opening day 2009 team, our offense if pretty good. A lot of guys with .280/15HR potential.
Does anyone on here have Super Mario Brothers for the Wii
December 20th, 20092:24 pm
Assuming the Braves trade Lowe, Kenshin will be our 5th starter (YEY!). Who moves into the bullpen? Will Chavez, Logan, and minor league guys like Marek fight it out? Will Procter get a chance when he’s ready in May?
December 20th, 20092:25 pm
DOB – yeah Danny elfman is pretty cool. ever seen that video of them on the gong show before elfman was in it. His brother started it as the mystic knights of oingo boingo
Jurrjens @ 2:20 – I agree. If Chipper can rebound and everyone else hits to their capabilities we’ll be fine.
BTW, I think Wren’s instincts are spot on re: waiting out the market. Bay and Holliday are losing suitors quick (the Sox, Mariners and Yanks look to be out) and with Lackey, Lee, Halladay and Wolf off the market, Derek Lowe is looking better and better. Plus, with Bay, Holliday, Damon, Nady and Byrd still on the market with (what appears to be) few suitors, someone is gonna have to settle for a lot less money than they were hoping for.
December 20th, 20092:26 pm
I like music that has a meaning, not somebody bragging about what they have or sex,drugs or anything else that’s just plain annoying. There are some exceptions like Nirvana… I never knew what the hell that guy was yellin about, but the beat & his voice were awesome enough that it made up for it. My girlfriend mocks me sometimes because I like some soft 80’s music, but damn, it’s better than country singers whining about their dog that got shot or boot scoot and boogying. I’m not your average Tn boy, I hate country music.
Steve from OH: I’m sure it is. I’ll just have to live with it.
Meanwhile, I’m trying to find time for repeated listens to the terrific five-CD Pogues box set and four-CD Big Star box sets I’ve bought in recent months, or the expanded-edition REM Murmur and Reckoning CDs, and the expanded Radiohead OK Computer, and Nirvana’s expanded-edition Bleach, not to mention all the new stuff I keep getting. It piles up. But that’s a good problem to have.
a Norwegian black metal band with Pink Floyd overtones? Well, at least no one can say they’re not creative…
When Enslaved started off, they sounded a lot like Burzum and other proto-black metal/Viking metal bands. Their sound shifted towards prog rock in the late nineties.
December 20th, 20092:28 pm
I’d take the REM, Dave, but not the Nirvana. You can keep that. Ugh.
Not familiar with the Pogues, but I’ll have to find time to give ‘em a listen…
Rob, no, but the original Mario bros. on Nintendo is fine with me. Ever played Link on Nintendo? Funnest game I have, still. PS2 The Show is good for me because I love baseball, but nothing beats Link. Sad, I know.
December 20th, 20092:29 pm
I actually like our lineup as well…assuming Nady or LaRoche, or some other combination comes to Atlanta. My only concern with FW is that by the time he is able to trade Lowe, the FA pool will be picked at pretty severely. If management allows the Braves to “temporarily” go over the apparent payroll ceiling, then FW should be able to get something more productive. I think Heyward opens the season in Atlanta. I think the Braves learned valuable information with Hanson last year..special players are indeed special and normal player timelines don’t necessarily apply.
December 20th, 20092:30 pm
December 20th, 20092:37 pm
Actually, Paul Lentz’s plan is a good one if the Braves would be able to spend the money. Although I find him to be morally repugnant, if he would stick to the baseball conversations he would have something to contribute to the blog. Paul,I will tell you you have a good opportunity to fit in here if you would get off your personal agendas and listen (read) what others have to say,none of us know everything but all(almost) love the Braves.
Tim Kurkjian made an 2000’s All Star list and didn’t include Chipper Jones at 3rd. But instead…. you know who…
From Nick Cafardo in today’s Boston Globe:
The Yankees did the right thing in the playoffs by going with their top three starters – CC Sabathia, A.J. Burnett, and Andy Pettitte – who remain intact. But they still haven’t addressed the back of the rotation. Joba Chamberlain remains a No. 4 and they could also move Phil Hughes out of the bullpen. They passed on the bidding for Roy Halladay, content that the Red Sox didn’t get him and pleased that he’s in the National League. They may gamble on rehab guys like Ben Sheets or Jarrod Washburn, or take on Derek Lowe’s contract, but for now the Red Sox have it over them.
I agree with him. Yankees won’t stand pat with Joba and Hughes as their 4-5 starters. Don’t know if they’ll make a strong play for Lowe, but they will get someone. Him or someone else.
December 20th, 20092:38 pm
Tim Kurkjian;s reasoning, “But the big difference is that Rodriguez won two MVPs at third base in the decade, and Jones didn’t win any.”
I’m not mad, I’m just disappointed.
December 20th, 20092:39 pm
Geez….so any baseball talk today? I believe this is a time I just need to come back later.
December 20th, 20092:40 pm
TommyP – you do that
December 20th, 20092:43 pm
My thoughts are that the Yankees will go after Ben Sheets close to ST. His asking price is chump change for them, even though they say they’re not willing to spend much…right. Big name guys like Sheets always end up Yanks at some point. Don’t know though, sinkerball pitcher in a HR paradise seems logical to me.
December 20th, 20092:45 pm
R.I.P. Brittany Murphy. 32 years old is far too young to die.
CB: the problem with taking on guys like Holliday and Gonzalez is not the payroll this year, but 2-3 years from now. All the guys coming up on arb eligibility, combined with those whose contracts are coming up mean it would be hard to keep the core together without trading some folks off.
If you think about it, the Braves are still in some ways in rebuilding mode. Heyward is almost here, Freeman comes soon and Schafer is still a decent prospect. Put together with the other players on the roster, the Braves have an exciting young group of players that should be able to contend for a few years.
I’d rather lock Jurrjens, Escobar, et al up for a few years rather than sign a couple of expensive FAs this year and make some tough personnel decisions in 2011 and beyond.
December 20th, 20092:47 pm
This is a load of BS. If the Braves were doing that, they’d be all over MLBtraderumors…Instead, nothing but dust in the wind……They’re going to wait around to get the cheapest thing they can (eg Garrett Anderson a year ago) right before Spring Training..
LF Jason Bay
OF Gary Sheffield-Bench Player
LF Mark DeRosa
1b Xavier Nady
OF Gary Sheffield-bench
Just curious: What if the Braves made 120 calls the past two days trying to work a deal for a right-handed bat, via trade or free agent. Would the fact that they either failed in those attempts or failed to notify you and other fans who want to see tangible results NOW, would that mean they were doing NOTHING about trying to get a right-handed bat?
December 20th, 20092:50 pm
JJForCy, don’t get me started on that Kirkjian, please. He’s a Yankee fan. I swear I’ve seen him at Yankee stadium with a sign that says, “I love you A-Rod and your girlfriend is a terrific actress”.
Sad if you missed out on the Pogues, not only did they produce the best ever Christmas song, but their body of work is incredibly varied and interesting as well as being so dynamic and intense. Is Shane McGowan still alive? If he kept bashing himself over the head with that tea tray (not mention everything that he was imbibing or injecting) can’t see that being the case.
December 20th, 20092:54 pm
don’t get me started on that Kirkjian, please. He’s a Yankee fan. I swear I’ve seen him at Yankee stadium with a sign that says, “I love you A-Rod and your girlfriend is a terrific actress”.
That’s the hardest I’ve laughed in a while!
December 20th, 20092:55 pm
Liberty Mediocrity, she was so skinny… YA GOTTA EAT! Of course your organs are going to take a hit, especially your heart. I don’t know if that killed her, but I have a feeling.
Sign LaRoche, for God’s sake! I’m getting so sick of this dance. If they don’t sign Adam, they’ll almost certainly end up with another easy out – ala Casey Kotchman. And that will make it very hard for me to be excited about this coming season. There’s your big bat – right in front of you.
December 20th, 20092:59 pm
NCBravesFan, I understand your point but we have a lot of good young players who will not be making high salaries for quite a while,i.e. Heyward, Hanson and Jurrjens and others. I have given it a lot of thought and unless Vazquez is willing to sign a team friendly extension I would not resign him. We have several young studs ,Hanson and JJ who will anchor this rotation for quite a few more years with Minor and several others on the horizon.
December 20th, 20093:02 pm
TnBrian, I tried to save Brittany. I kept imploring her to “Eat Mor Chikn!”
December 20th, 20093:03 pm
Nice vid, Steve. Mike Minor look like Jimmy Key.
December 20th, 20093:14 pm
I see a touch of Steve Avery in Minor as well.
December 20th, 20093:16 pm
Matty ice needs to unleash the dragon!
December 20th, 20093:19 pm
UNCBrave: KU wouldn’t be so bad if they played tenacious D like your team, huh?
December 20th, 20093:21 pm
James Franco’s body language reminds me of Gilbert Gottfried
December 20th, 20093:22 pm
Steve McP: Shane, like Keef Richards, is not just alive, but still touring. Shane’s been back fronting the Pogues on their world tour, including a memorable stop in Atlanta last winter at Tabernacle. Great show. And yes, he bashed his head with the tray. So did Spider Stacy.
December 20th, 20093:23 pm
Falcons fans, you can always just on the Indy bandwagon
December 20th, 20093:26 pm
Jurrjens4NLCY………Jair Jurrjens and Yunel Escobar WILL NOT be making $17 mil (either combined or each) in 2012. They will probably get a raise to about $3.5-$4.0 mil each in 2011.
2012 is 2 years away. If both players continue to play well (nothing is guaranteed)………then the Braves will be faced with the prospect of each getting a raise to about the $7-$8 mil range in 2012. The Braves could either work out a long term deal with them…….or package them in a trade if the Braves feel that their demands are too much.
Tommy Hanson nor Jason Heyward (assuming he starts and plays the 2010 season in Atlanta) will be eligible for arbitration until after the 2012 season.
Also, Chipper Jones’ 3 year $39 mil extension ends after the 2012 season If the Braves choose to not re-sign Chipper after the 2012 season…….then that will free up more money.
The point is that signing Matt Holliday will not bust the payroll in future years. I feel that by signing Holliday and trading for Adrian Gonzalez…….that attendance and revenue would increase (the Braves would not only be winning more, but also be more entertaining from the fans’ perspective) to the point that increasing the payroll wont cause the team to go into the red.
December 20th, 20093:28 pm
Slowhiteguy………I understand your 2:16pm posting.
December 20th, 20093:33 pm
The Fact is THE BRAVES ARE TRYING but THE FACT IS THE BRAVES HAVE GOT NOTHING DONE and that is a fact but who knows maybe tomorrow something will change, but enough with the defending and lets just call it for what it is and be fair. They have tried but have nothing to show for all of the calls and offers made this off-season plain and simple.
CB………..Hey, I’m cool with laying off the personal attacks……..IF others will do the same.
But come on, when someone posts that Kelly Johnson has trade value or that the Braves will tender him………or that the Braves can get prospects for Derek Lowe and his whole contract………it is hard for me to not attack the posting.
I have no problem with someone putting me on the spot and challenging me to defend my posting. However, there are many people who take it personally when you challenge them to defend their postings. They seem to feel that they have every right to post their position on something…..while expecting no one to disagree with them.
It simply does not work that way. If you dont want yourself susceptible to criticism……dont post. There is no such thing as a right to challenge-free posting.
Coach (2011 or Bust)
December 20th, 20093:35 pm
Avery and Minor are both lefty’s and the comparison’s end right there.
Avery had high nineties heat and a wicked slider while Minor’s best pitch is his change up, and Minor tops out at 91 with the gas and sits around 88 with his fastball.
What about a Nate for Derrick Lee and a prospect since the cubbies are looking for a center fielder. I don’t know if i like it either, but just throwing things out there on a boring sunday.
December 20th, 20093:36 pm
Oh yea just heard that Brittany Murphy died of a heart attack…… how sad
December 20th, 20093:37 pm
David O’Brien……………the Yankees are rumored to be interested in everyone on the free agent or trade market.
Believe me, I would LOVE for Frank Wren to be able to sucker the Yankees and dump Lowe’s contract on them. That would make things so much easier to add offense to improve the Braves.
So it isnt that I dont want the Braves to be able to dump Lowe’s contract. I just dont see the market being able to bring forth that scenario.
December 20th, 20093:38 pm
2009 has been killing famous people with a vengence. you go grim reaper!
December 20th, 20093:40 pm
Brittany Murphy story reminds me of Karen Carpenter from back in the day
December 20th, 20093:43 pm
was brittany murphy “refunding”?
Derek Lowe + 9 mil for Swisher ??
Derek Lowe + 6 mil for Melky ??
would they go for that?
Coach…I was merely talking about his delivery…similiar wind up. That’s all. I am very aware of Minors stuff. Watched every start he had in AZFL.
December 20th, 20093:45 pm
Minor never sat 88 with his fastball when I saw him…was sitting 91-93. Best pitch is definitely change up though. Agreed.
December 20th, 20093:47 pm
It’s amazing how one game can change everything. Two days ago, everyone was dumping on the Dallas Cowboys.
However, when you beat an undefeated team at their place….all of a sudden things dont look so freaking bleak. If we beat the Redskins next week at their place..and then beat Philly at home the last weekend of the season…the we win the division.
By the way………where’s Andrew in PA? I would LOVE to see the 49ers steal one from the Eagles today in the snow.
Minor never sat 88 with his fastball when I saw him…was sitting 91-93. Best pitch is definitely change up though. Agreed
Probably because he was throwing about 2-3 innings at a time. Over 7 he’s probably closer to 89-90.
December 20th, 20093:49 pm
We need an Adrian Gonzalez type bat to be a ws contender. Chipper and Mac miss too many games a year. Freeman and Medlen will certainly not do it for AGon. They may not even want Freeman since they have Blanks at first. We’d have to include Kimbrel, Medlen, and Teheran in a deal. Mike Minor is another pitcher they’d ask us for. We wouldn’t give up all of them but it could definitely cost three of the names mentioned. Personally, I am not sure if I gut the farm system again and I just take my chances that Freeman is the real deal and Heyward becomes a middle of the lineup guy, which it certainly sounds like he will.Freeman and Heyward will be cheap for a while.
Braves ownership not allowing payroll to go around $100mm is a problem bec we need to be able to sign a Bay or Holliday now to be competitive this season. We’re obviously going to hope that fillers such a Nady or Derosa will help us “get by” this season.
Hopefully, we can get lowe off the books and possibly look into Carl Crawford as a FA next offseason.
Paul — I understand DOB’s response to your post yesterday about AG and Holliday… you reap what you sow, pal. For what it’s worth, I decided yesterday to read your post and was surprised by the reasoned tone and calm points you made. In fact, I pretty much agreed with what you were saying. However, unless your contributions from here on in are offered with the same attitude, I too will skip them.
December 20th, 20093:50 pm
Maybe, but I saw him go five I believe..of course watching games in the AZFL you sit right with scouts…was checking their gun readings and talking with them about Minor. Consensus was he will come quickly to big leagues, solid four starter maybe a three.
December 20th, 20093:51 pm
Of course I have no stats here on his range etc. But on errors alone he is not a butcher. And he hits homeruns from THE RIGHT SIDE. Bear
I’m sure he’ll get a chance this spring. He definitely has pop.And he can play 1st and OF about like Norton could.
December 20th, 20093:53 pm
Looks like the Falcons are trying to keep alive their faint hopes of having the first back-to-back winning seasons in their history.
You’d be paying until he’s at least 36. You’d be paying him about 18M when he’s 36. Thats crazy
December 20th, 20093:55 pm
AdirondackDave……….again, I have no problem with making baseball related postings. However, I just dont have it in me to not response to personal attacks.
December 20th, 20093:58 pm
Jets, Jets, Jets.
December 20th, 20094:01 pm
Andy — If the Braves could get Adrian Gonzalez for 3 of the following: Medlin, Minor, Teheran, or Kimbral without losing Freeman, I would probably do it and hope Teheran was not taken. That would be perfect timing for Freeman, it seems to me, because he pretty clearly needs another year or two to develop. Then if he’s ready by July, 2011 you have the option of trading AG for a strong prospect package FW wants to go that way.
Jurrjens4NLCY……….Matt Holliday is a pretty durable guy. He plays left field, which isnt a stressful position to put on the body. I dont feel that it would be a huge risk to sign him to a 7 year deal that takes him to age 36. Hell, the Braves re-signed Chipper last year to a 3 year deal, at age 37. I think that it is safe to say that Holliday has been more durable than Chipper.
December 20th, 20094:04 pm
Can we please stop talking about A-Gon and Holliday/Bay ? I’ve never seen people waste so much energy.
December 20th, 20094:05 pm
Who do you think will be better, Mike Stanton or Jayson Heywerd?
December 20th, 20094:11 pm
Andy, Bay and Holliday will more than likely end up with the usual suspects… Yanks/Mets, possibly Cards. Gonzalez is a pipe dream that’s getting slimmer & slimmer because Boston is probably working on getting him there as we speak. They don’t talk, they do, because they can afford to for one, & they also have more wiggle room in their system to trade top prospects to get him opppsed to Atlanta that heavily relies on the Heyward’s & Freeman’s.
December 20th, 20094:12 pm
AdirondackDave: Agreed. That would work. It just seems as though it’s critical to keep the Kimbrel’s and Medlen’s because we’re forced to give our Soriano’s away for nothing. I am still a little gun shy from the Tex deal too
December 20th, 20094:14 pm
Jurrjens4NLCY……..if you think that talking about A-Gon and Holliday/Bay is a waste of so much energy……..what do you call all the talk of Kelly Johnson being traded/tendered?
December 20th, 20094:15 pm
Salamader-Are these guys hard core Norweigian Death Metal? Does their resume include burning churches or killing priests? Is that where you got the idea to sacrifice Marietta Derek to the Chopping Cow with a machete. Hopefully your sacrificial plans didn’t include the term “Blood Eagle”, did it?
Saw an episode of Bones last week where they investigated a Death Metal band that took their bass players skeleton on tour with them.
I don’t know-that might be a bit more than even I can handle.
December 20th, 20094:16 pm
If the Braves could get Adrian Gonzalez for 3 of the following: Medlin, Minor, Teheran, or Kimbral without losing Freeman, I would probably do it and hope Teheran was not taken AD
that’s not nearly enough to get AGon. They have no need for Freeman so it would almost have to include Hanson or Heywood.
December 20th, 20094:17 pm
TnBrian-Even your girlfriend mocks you? Hell of an admission.
December 20th, 20094:18 pm
Were just gonna have to sign our own homegrown talent when they become great players to long term deals, cause this team will only pay for pitching that comes from outside Atlanta. Heyward will take Chipper’s spot for the highest paid bat on this team in the future.
Lowe 15 mil
Javy 11.5 mil
Huddy 9 mil
KK 7 mil
Wags 7 mil
Chipper 13 mil
McCann 5 mil
skeleton on tour….hahhaha…..those wacky death metal guys
December 20th, 20094:19 pm
nolie, I hope you have that statement on speed dial.
Maybe you should put something like “This is a recording….”
December 20th, 20094:20 pm
If we were able to agree on a long term deal with AGon like the Phils did with Halladay then I am little less gun shy. Liberty Media obviously has us at $95mm or so. You have to be smart about money spent!
December 20th, 20094:21 pm
If i’m the Padre’s knowing we wont retain AGon after his deal is up. I would trade him now when his value is even more.
I would request
and another player.
Simalar to what we gave up for Tex
December 20th, 20094:24 pm
A fact. It’s a fact that Kelly Johnson was going to be traded or non tendered. It’s not a fact that we’ll sign Holliday
P. W. Hjort
December 20th, 20094:26 pm
Wow, what a ramble this is.
I quit (nolie)
I quit on that one about 1/3 of the way through, too.
December 20th, 20094:28 pm
Jurrjens4NLCY…………Dude, Kelly Johnson WAS NOT going to either be traded or tendered. No team was going to risk trading for Kelly and having to pay him $3.5-$4 mil. The Braves were not going to tender him either and risk the same thing. The way I saw it (correctly by the way)…….it was a foregone conclusion that Kelly Johnson was going to be non-tendered.
So, again I ask you: if you think that talking about A-Gon and Holliday/Bay is a waste of so much energy……..what do you call all the talk of Kelly Johnson being traded/tendered?
and another player.
I don’t know why the Braves would do this! It’s crazy, let the big market teams have him.
How about Derek Lowe + Matt Young + Paul Simmon = Juan Rivera
Eating about 1 mil a year.
December 20th, 20094:30 pm
it was a foregone conclusion that Kelly Johnson was going to be non-tendered.
That’s what I said.
So, again I ask you: if you think that talking about A-Gon and Holliday/Bay is a waste of so much energy……..what do you call all the talk of Kelly Johnson being traded/tendered?
I’d call it uneconomical energy.
December 20th, 20094:33 pm
Lew, you want a internet battle, YOU GOT ONE! You just wait pal, I’m punching these keys so hard and I’m even going to put an exclamation mark at the end of this to show you how upset I am with you, heck, I’ll even use two!!
December 20th, 20094:34 pm
Bear Grylls is so nasty. Anybody watching him eat out the inside of a sheep?
December 20th, 20094:36 pm
They wouldnt do that lol i hope not…. Just saying that what the price would be for sure.
Lowe + 9 mil for Swisher
Lowe + 9 mil for Rivera
Lowe + 6 mil for Melky
Lowe + 3 mil for 1 good prospect
Lowe for 1 nothing special prospect.
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