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Steve from OH
December 20th, 2009
11:45 am
Jones has paid his dues, and deserves the chance to prove whether or not he can hit big league pitching.
Sure, why not? The dude deserves a legit shot. I’d like to see some slots filled with legit ML guys first, but why can’t he at least be given every opportunity to fill Greg Norton’s slot?
Whether you like Nady, Damon, Delgado, whoever (except Marlon Byrd, that is), I think overall we’re going to see about the same net effect for the Bravos, so in my mind it’s not too much of a discussion. Of course, I’m not following this offseason closely so I could be way off. Whatever. I’m confident Wren will do a good job.
Steve from OH
December 20th, 2009
11:47 am
Coach, do you scout for the Twins?
richbrave
December 20th, 2009
11:48 am
macon braves (rip):
With LOWE getting his career retirement contract with the BRAVES at 15 million, I can surely see JJ getting 10 million and being worth every penny when that eventuality arises. If we could control JJ at that figure going forward, I personally would love it. The guy’s going to be worth as much as LOWE over time IMHO of course.
Efrim
December 20th, 2009
11:50 am
why would the Braves have interest in Damon…he’s honestly not much different that Anderson, but more expensive
Much, much better offensively. Although presumably he’ll cost quite a bit more than 2.5 million, which is what GA made last year.
Lew
December 20th, 2009
11:50 am
richbrave-you might be right. I would rather scenario A, but I’m really dismayed at what some of these often injured players, or Dudes who just haven’t been all that anyway think they’re worth-especially in this down economy that has even affected MLB salaries. People like Roach should go ahead and take some decent short term deals and file again in a year or two-he’s young enough. Damon? Well, he might not have the time left to wait a couple more years.
I’m EXTREMELY concerned about how many think that players who just missed entire years or significant time missed in recent seasons are so popular in our speculations. That prospect (taking a Multi Million dollar chance on often injured players) scares hell out of me. You might not get a decent performance from ANY signing, but you sure as hell won’t see a player perform while rehabbing.
David O'Brien
December 20th, 2009
11:52 am
Been away a couple days and WREN and the Braves are still doing NOTHING about a RH BAT………….NO SHOCK — UNCBrave
Just curious: What if the Braves made 120 calls the past two days trying to work a deal for a right-handed bat, via trade or free agent. Would the fact that they either failed in those attempts or failed to notify you and other fans who want to see tangible results NOW, would that mean they were doing NOTHING about trying to get a right-handed bat?
Lew
December 20th, 2009
11:56 am
MaconBraves-You mentioned enjoying the Dark Tower novels by Stephen King. The Dude who painted their covers, MIchael Whelan is an acquaintance of mine from the days when I was doing Fantasy/Sci Fi art.
David O'Brien
December 20th, 2009
11:56 am
what about jj for a gonzalez throw in cody johnson. jj is a boras client, and arb starts 2011. — ncgary
What does Boras being his agent have to do with first-year arb eligibility? What do you think, that Boras is going to work his negotiating magic with an arb panel, maybe bring up an offer Jurrjens has received from an unnamed mystery team or something?
Thundersticks
December 20th, 2009
11:56 am
I still think signing Nady and DeRosa would be the best moves we could make short of signing Bay or Holliday. Unless, of course, there is a trade to be made somewhere that we aren’t thinking about.
However, if Wren can’t trade Lowe soon, we may miss out on the best FA hitters and be left with nothing but bench players.
If we HAVE to trade Vazquez, how about to the Rays for Crawford + prospect, Pena + prospect, or both + cash? Both are on one-year deals at similar money to Vazquez. Not exactly my first choice, but….
richbrave
December 20th, 2009
12:01 pm
David O’Brien
December 20th, 2009
11:52 am
Been away a couple days and WREN and the Braves are still doing NOTHING about a RH BAT………….NO SHOCK — UNCBrave
Just curious: What if the Braves made 120 calls the past two days trying to work a deal for a right-handed bat, via trade or free agent. Would the fact that they either failed in those attempts or failed to notify you and other fans who want to see tangible results NOW, would that mean they were doing NOTHING about trying to get a right-handed bat?
Touche!
THE BEAR Illegitimi non carborundum
December 20th, 2009
12:02 pm
For the record in 2009 Mitch Jones played 103 games in the outfield and made 1 error. He played 3 games at third and made 1 error and he played 13 games at first and made 2 errors. I don’t know what his range was but it seems to me his total errors were in a reasonable range. I still don’t know why he never got a chance to play in the majors.
Oh yeah during that 108 games in 2009 he hit 35 HOME RUNS IN 387 AB’S. AND HE HITS FROM THE RIGHT SIDE.
In his career he has hit 235 HR’s in 3877 AB’s an average of one HR per every 16.5 AB’s. That is about one home run each 4 games. Extrapolate that over a 152 games and you have 38 homers.
Of course he won’t do that in the majors or will he?
I know this, if I were running the Braves Spring Training I’d sure take a very long look at this fellow. He does swing a bat with authority. Although his career BA is .255 he did hit for .297 in 2009.
Throughout his career he has played 126 games at first and made 12 errors. He played only 61 games at third and made 20 errors and in 731 games in the outfield he made 22 errors. That is an average of about 4.5 errors each 150 games in the outfield.
ivan
December 20th, 2009
12:02 pm
I THINK ALL THE BRAVES FANS NEED TO BE A LITTLE PATIENTS.
TnBrian
December 20th, 2009
12:03 pm
Are Lew & DOB the same guy? Reading DOB’s aggravation with fans demanding results now & reading Lew’s you’d think these two are one in the same.
Big fan of DOB however & mean no disrespect to the man. Without him we’d be stuck with once a month updates from other braves writers.
Lew, on the other hand, doesn’t care for The Grinch, aka TnBrian, in the least. I do seem to agree with Lew that maybe just signing LaRoche & letting Diaz take that LF spot could be the best alternative as we see it right now.
ncgary
December 20th, 2009
12:03 pm
wasnt really thinking at all, when you put it like that
lol
Lew
December 20th, 2009
12:07 pm
Yes, I’m aware of the Miracle of TJ surgery and whatnot these days, but has anyone bothered to realize that between them, Nady and DelGado missed a total of 290 games in 09? You’re comfortable with paying these players multiple millions of dollars (I’ve heard in the $7-10 mil range) to sit out games for the Braves?
FEAR
December 20th, 2009
12:08 pm
DOB laying the smackdown today. Damn impatient people
ncgary
December 20th, 2009
12:08 pm
havent ever been to an arb panel, but id guess the agent does alot of homework and presents best case scenario for his client. probably jj looking at a record setting arb award for first time arb eligible pitcher.scratch that if lincecum hasnt signed a contract yet. but anyways all i was getting at , is with jj’s numbers the first 2 years, if this season is comparable,arb award gonna be very high, especially with boras doing his homework which will probably resemble magic
richbrave
December 20th, 2009
12:08 pm
TnBrian
December 20th, 2009
12:03 pm
Are Lew & DOB the same guy? Reading DOB’s aggravation with fans demanding results now & reading Lew’s you’d think these two are one in the same.
Great minds follow similar paths.
Lew
December 20th, 2009
12:10 pm
TnBrian-Haven’t given up trying to be the perennial douchebag yet?
No, DOB and I are NOT the same person. He’s smaller and thin and I’m not. He’s at least a decade younger than me and he likes Old Country music while I like headbanger stuff.
As for not caring for The Grinch-the Grinch is NOT Tn BRian, but another blogger who rarely posts here anymore. He’s actually one of my best friends. The imposter? Not so much.
Thundersticks
December 20th, 2009
12:11 pm
“Yes, I’m aware of the Miracle of TJ surgery and whatnot these days, but has anyone bothered to realize that between them, Nady and DelGado missed a total of 290 games in 09? You’re comfortable with paying these players multiple millions of dollars (I’ve heard in the $7-10 mil range) to sit out games for the Braves?” -Lew
What do you suggest they do?
Lew
December 20th, 2009
12:12 pm
DOB and I are not the same person, but Great Minds think alike-something TnBrian may well never experience.
David O'Brien
December 20th, 2009
12:12 pm
DOB, why would the Braves have interest in Damon…he’s honestly not much different that Anderson, but more expensive — unbelievable
If you’re serious, then that statement really is unbelievable.
“Not much different,” huh?
Since the beginning of the 2008 season, Garret Anderson has hit .282 with 54 doubles, 3 triples, 28 homers, 145 RBI, 118 runs, a .315 OBP, .419 slugging percentage, 8 stolen bases, 55 walks and 150 strikeouts. That’s a .734 OPS in 1,050 at-bats.
Since the beginning of the 2008 season, Johnny Damon has hit .292 with 63 doubles, 8 triples, 41 homers, 153 RBI, 202 runs, a .370 OBP, .474 slugging percentage, 41 stolen bases, 135 walks and 180 strikeouts. That’s an .845 OPS in 1,105 at-bats.
Steve from OH
December 20th, 2009
12:12 pm
Here’s some video of Mike Minor:
http://www.scoutingthesally.com/
Lew
December 20th, 2009
12:13 pm
Thindersticks-Not sign Nady or DelGado and try to sign someone else?
Slowhiteguy
December 20th, 2009
12:13 pm
It always amazes me how so many fans that post on this board have it all figured out. I would love to see some that post here in a room with Frank Wren and his staff. Would you be so cocky then? Would you propose some of the ridiculous trade scenarios to his face person to person? Would you tell him he isn’t doing a darn thing to get a rh bat? I really have a hard time believing that he is doing nothing but decorating his tree and ignoring the responsibilities of being the Braves GM. Patience.
TnBrian
December 20th, 2009
12:13 pm
For the impatient– it’s Sunday. Maybe tomorrow some things start a heatin up… or January.
Slowhiteguy
December 20th, 2009
12:16 pm
Enter your comments here
richbrave
December 20th, 2009
12:16 pm
TnBrian
December 20th, 2009
12:03 pm
“Lew, on the other hand, doesn’t care for The Grinch, aka TnBrian….”
You are the munificent and all seeing GRINCH? Wow. I’m impressed, sincerely.
FEAR
December 20th, 2009
12:16 pm
Lew – Headbanger stuff? You in to Testament? They’re playing with Slayer and Megadeth on Feb 1st in ATL.
David O'Brien
December 20th, 2009
12:17 pm
richbrave: I should add that I have no idea how hard the Braves have worked in recent days to get a right-handed bat, since they aren’t saying. But for someone to assume that because they haven’t acquired a right-handed bat a week before Christmas, that the Braves aren’t doing anything to get that bat, well, that’s not sound reasoning.
If that’s the case, then every team out there that has failed to fill its biggest needs is not doing anything. And that’s at least two-thirds of the teams in baseball, if not 25 of 30.
Slowhiteguy
December 20th, 2009
12:18 pm
Would love to see what some on this board would have to say to FW and his staff face to face. I would imagine there would be silence. Patience…I am sure he is working his tail off trying to get what the Braves need.
beekay
December 20th, 2009
12:18 pm
sign Damon and have Yuni run 50 yards into the outfield for the cut off on every hit to the gap to catch the 20 foot lollipops that damon lobs in…
Steve from OH
December 20th, 2009
12:18 pm
FEAR–Testament is awesome. One of my favorites. Skolnick is quite a guitar player.
THE BEAR Illegitimi non carborundum
December 20th, 2009
12:19 pm
For comparison. Jeff Francoeur has played 697 games in the majors and made 24 errors.
Matt Diaz has played in 369 games and made 13 Errors.
McClouth 485 games and 9 errors/
Andruw Jones has played in 1831 games and made 45 errors.
So Mitch Jones’s record of 22 errors in 731 games compares very well. Of course I have no stats here on his range etc. But on errors alone he is not a butcher. And he hits homeruns from THE RIGHT SIDE.
Tomas
December 20th, 2009
12:19 pm
Thundersticks, you have to take under account who you’re dealing with. The Rays don’t have money, why in the world would they have interest in trading Crawford, + prospect, + cash to the Brave for just Vazquez. NO WAY. First off Crawford has more value than Javy, and the only reason they’d trade him was if they fall out of contention and can’t work a long-term deal to keep him(which if I had to guess would be very hard given their financial flexibility). And if they do decide to trade him it won’t be for a guy like Vazquez who’s making 11.5 million and is in his last year of his contract, they’ll want top prospect in return.
richbrave
December 20th, 2009
12:19 pm
LEW:
Wish the GRINCH would visit more often, the REAL one that is.
Lew
December 20th, 2009
12:19 pm
FEAR-I have one Testament cd-the one with Raging Waters on it. I’m more into Skolmick’s stuff with all those Savatage Dues-like Trans Siberian.
I’m more into Dragonforce, Gravedigger, Hammerfall, Deep Purple (throughout the ages), Cornerstone, and what might be considered by some as Melodic Metal-not really into the extreme gutteral vocals, but like a lot of the guitar from band s like Trivium and others whose vocals don’t do it for me.
TnBrian
December 20th, 2009
12:20 pm
Mercy, check out Damon’s OBP/Runs/BB compared to Garret’s. And some of you think we couldn’t use Damon at the top of our lineup? I was reading a bunch of stuff on Damon earlier & from everything I can tell he’s a great teammate & a gamer. Hey, & he wants to be a Brave, so they trade Lowe to free up some cash they sign Nady/Damon & we can all shutup & be happy campers.
richbrave
December 20th, 2009
12:21 pm
David O’Brien
December 20th, 2009
12:17 pm
richbrave: I should add that I have no idea how hard the Braves have worked in recent days to get a right-handed bat, since they aren’t saying. But for someone to assume that because they haven’t acquired a right-handed bat a week before Christmas, that the Braves aren’t doing anything to get that bat, well, that’s not sound reasoning.
If that’s the case, then every team out there that has failed to fill its biggest needs is not doing anything. And that’s at least two-thirds of the teams in baseball, if not 25 of 30.
Couldn’t agree more DOB. Rightous post.
richbrave
December 20th, 2009
12:21 pm
Oh, could MITCH JONES be our Plan D?
Steve from OH
December 20th, 2009
12:22 pm
Lew–ditto on the Savatage. Awesome band. Handful of Rain was a great album…
Lew
December 20th, 2009
12:22 pm
richbrave-He does the falcons blog more often. He’s taking classes finishing his degree, so his time is somewhat limited.
Could you actually see TnBrian ending up in the pantheon of characters like JJS, The Grinch and even Stinky? Right.
richbrave
December 20th, 2009
12:23 pm
O.K. Road trip. WILLIAMSBURG in the snow on the horizon. Everybody have a good day.
David O'Brien
December 20th, 2009
12:24 pm
Doug: I agree with you on Escobar. Braves should consider signing him to a long-term deal, if he’s amenable to something that’s fair for both sides, something that works in these situations to give a player long-term security in exchange for a potential discount on his first year or two of free agency. And if they wanted to trade him for whatever reason at any point during the deal, it would likely make him more attractive to other teams anyway.
Lew
December 20th, 2009
12:24 pm
Steve-Savatage was huge (Gutter Ballet) when I was living in ST. Pete and working with the radio station (95YNF) back in the days.
You really should check out Dragonforce. Two killer guitarists faster than Yngwie Malmsteen yet much more precise. Any of their cd’s are good, but Sonic Firestorm is my favorite. Great band. Love to see them live.
Marc in FL
December 20th, 2009
12:26 pm
Why do some posters CAPITALIZE certain names and words as if most bloggers on here are ILLITERATE and can’t figure out what you’re trying to say without BIG WORDS to make your sentences easier to read.
TnBrian
December 20th, 2009
12:27 pm
Lew, I save my best work for the real world, pal. Why waste it on a computer where nobody can even see me wearing my blue Braves hat & my “douchbag” smile? Whatever man, I think you should leave the cold of Vermont & take a vacation to the Bahamas. Sounds like you got cabin fever or something.
Tomas
December 20th, 2009
12:27 pm
Damon is a far better hitter than Anderson at this point. But both are defensive liabilities. Anderson doesn’t get to anything, and doesn’t have a very good arm(I think he didn’t have an assist this year), and Damon has some speed and get’s the ball fast, but his arm is so pathetic that it has been constantly compared to Juan Pierre’s arm. Not Good.
Oh and Damon wants more money, and more years than the Braves have interest in offering. I’d take for a 1yr 8 million, but he wants 2 yrs 20 million at least(that’s the offer he made as a discount to the Yankees).
Macon Braves (RIP)
December 20th, 2009
12:27 pm
You mentioned enjoying the Dark Tower novels by Stephen King. The Dude who painted their covers, MIchael Whelan is an acquaintance of mine from the days when I was doing Fantasy/Sci Fi art.
I have all the Dark Tower books, the last four in hardback. Mr. Whelan did a fabulous job on those, they all look amazing.
Did you do book covers when you were doing fantasy/sci-fi art? If so, what are some you did? I collect books and have dozens of fantasy books in my collection. Not only do I really love the stories, but I’ve actually picked up books to add to my collection simply for the cover art. It’s a great bonus, when I get around to reading the book, if the story is as good as the art.
Steve from OH
December 20th, 2009
12:27 pm
Lew–I loved Gutter Ballet, Streets, Edge of Thorns, etc. from Savatage. One of my buddies from high school worshipped Dragonforce right after they came out with their first record. I like ‘em, just not as much as some other stuff–but they’re on my list.
What’s your take on Black Sabbath’s Dehumanizer? Thinking of buying it…
FEAR
December 20th, 2009
12:33 pm
Lew – i’m not really into that guitar nerd stuff (no offense). My friend loves that stuff and he was pretty damn good. Then he had a stroke (at 40!) and can’t use his left hand now.
keylargo
December 20th, 2009
12:33 pm
Jones has paid his dues, and deserves the chance to prove whether or not he can hit big league pitching.
Brandon Jones got a fairly legit shot in 2008 and failed to produce what a corner outfielder should.
In 41 games and 116 abs he had 1 HR and was 267/.312/.397/.709.
Macon Braves (RIP)
December 20th, 2009
12:34 pm
ncgary—I think your kind of missing the point of the arb hearing. The team and the player’s agent have to submit their salary desire BEFORE the hearing and can’t change it at the hearing. It doesn’t matter how much magic Boras can work at a negotiating table, if the salary number he submits is so high that it’s not close to what the obvious average value would be, he’s going to lose. Both sides will submit a number that they realistically think they can win with. Boras isn’t going to go for $15 million or more (which would have to be the number to be setting any arb records) in JJ’s first year or two of arb eligability. I think $10-12 would be the most he would go for (could be even a little less, I couldn’t pretend to believe to know those kinds of numbers) and if JJ is still growing as a pitcher like he has shown so far, I’m sure the Braves would love to have control of him even at those prices.
THE BEAR Illegitimi non carborundum
December 20th, 2009
12:34 pm
Marc in FL
December 20th, 2009
12:26 pm
Why do some posters CAPITALIZE certain names and words as if most bloggers on here are ILLITERATE and can’t figure out what you’re trying to say without BIG WORDS to make your sentences easier to read.
I capitalize a word when I want to call particular attention to that word. For example I called attention (above) to the fact Mitch Jones batted from the right just because there has been a lot of emphasis on a right handed bat.
If you have a problem with that just skip over any post THE BEAR writes. I won’t miss you, I promise.
Piedmont Blues
December 20th, 2009
12:35 pm
What do you mean the Braves haven’t done anything to get a right-handed bat? They signed Mitch Jones, didn’t they?
Lew
December 20th, 2009
12:36 pm
Steve-Their first album is definitely inferior to the rest. NO contest. Check out one of the others.
TnBrian-whatever. I do my best work in the real world, too. But the main difference is that I try to do good work on any undertaking. I don’t treat the blog as just something to “waste time” on. If that’s what it is to you-a waste of time-why do you bother? Wouldn’t it be better to go do your “best work” in the “real world” and not regale us with substandard drivel?
The_Superhoo
December 20th, 2009
12:37 pm
ESPN.com has a simulated series between the 1990s Team and the 2000s Team of baseball.
Each roster has 24 players. Only 6 are on both rosters. Of those 6, only 2 are everyday players. Of those 2 only 1 is still playing.
Chipper Jones.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=neyer_rob&id=4755518
Lew
December 20th, 2009
12:40 pm
FEAR-I’ve just always had a love of screaming guitars ever since I first heard Psychotic Reaction by The Count Five back in the dimmest reaches of pre-history when I was in high school. Decades ago. Jimi doing Purple Haze and the First Zeppelin album was also revelatory.
Been listening to Children of Bodom, Dimmu Borgir, Cathedral, Agnostic Front and some others you might like a bit more, too.
FEAR
December 20th, 2009
12:40 pm
writes that Jason Bay can thank his agent, Joe Urbon, for pricing him out of a good situation in Boston. With no obvious bidders remaining for Bay besides the New York Mets
What the hell let’s make an offer. Isn’t Bay good friends with Mclouth?
FEAR
December 20th, 2009
12:44 pm
Dimmu Borgir saw them in spartanburg about 10 years ago with Mayhem. not an agnostic front fan. I’m not into skinheads. I’m into black flag, FEAR (obviously), slayer, old Metallica, Primus, tom Waits, Frank Zappa, suicidal tendencies, Faith No More. buncha other stuff. By the way Zappa plays Zappa is also coming to ATL on Jan 11th. Just letting you all know. hahaha
Lew
December 20th, 2009
12:44 pm
Steve-You might also like Wolf, Wolfmother, Three Days Grace and Blackstone Cherry (pumped up Southern Rock). They’re a bit on the heavier side, but their latest CD’s are all really good.
Steve from OH
December 20th, 2009
12:46 pm
Not a fan of Three Days’ Grace, Lew. I’ll check out the others, though. Have heard of Wolfmother though, good band.
Lew
December 20th, 2009
12:47 pm
FEAR-I was lucky, I saw FRANK Zappa playing Zappa. Front row dead center at the Macon Coliseum in 1973 while a student at Mercer (they put on the show). He had Jon Luc Ponty, Ian Underwood, George Duke and Aynsley Dunbar playing with him. Totally mind blowing show.
Shawn G
December 20th, 2009
12:49 pm
Would Damon move to 1B? Short-term deal, good power, no slow start (a la Laroche), and you negate his weak arm.
Lew
December 20th, 2009
12:49 pm
Steve-Not too sure why I like TDG so much-not the type of music I usually get into-but I’ve bought all three of their CD’s when released. For some reason I get into their stuff. They kind of remind me of Medusa, by the Glenn Hughes/Mel Galley 70’s band Trapeze.
Wolf mother is similar, but Wolf is a good rock band, more along the lines of the Next Wave of British Heavy Metal.
FEAR
December 20th, 2009
12:50 pm
Lew – My dad saw Frank a couple times once in Athens and in Baltimore. Man George Duke and Stanley Clarke kick ass. just got an album of theirs at the thrift store.
Thundersticks
December 20th, 2009
12:51 pm
“Not sign Nady or DelGado and try to sign someone else?” -Lew
Such as?
FEAR
December 20th, 2009
12:52 pm
oh and King Crimson is pretty bad ass too
Lew
December 20th, 2009
12:54 pm
FEAR-I’ve been lucky in my 40+ years of concert going. Saw a lot of the Gods of Rock over the years-Zeppelin, The Stones, Deep Purple (3 times with 3 different guitarists), ELP, Humble Pie, Ten Years After, Mountain and many more. I’ve seen shows ranging from Jefferson Airplane to Tina Turner and even a Soul Review in Philly years ago with Gene Chandler (Duke of Earl), Lee Andruws and The Hearts and Patty LaBelle. Was living in Macon when Southern Rock started in the late 60’s and in Athens when REM and all the others were starting out. Been a blast.
Thundersticks
December 20th, 2009
12:56 pm
“Thundersticks, you have to take under account who you’re dealing with. The Rays don’t have money, why in the world would they have interest in trading Crawford, + prospect, + cash to the Brave for just Vazquez. NO WAY. First off Crawford has more value than Javy, and the only reason they’d trade him was if they fall out of contention and can’t work a long-term deal to keep him(which if I had to guess would be very hard given their financial flexibility). And if they do decide to trade him it won’t be for a guy like Vazquez who’s making 11.5 million and is in his last year of his contract, they’ll want top prospect in return.”
-Tomas
I didn’t say Crawford + prospect + cash. I said Crawford + prospect, OR Pena + prospect, OR Crawford + Pena + cash. Straight up, Vazquez is worth more than Crawford or Pena, but the prospect helps to balance the trade out. Crawford and Pena make $10M each while Vazquez makes $11.5M, so the money works out almost perfectly, unless its the Crawford and Pena scenario.
Lew
December 20th, 2009
12:57 pm
FEAR_Saw the Larks Tongues IN Aspic/Starless and Bible Black Tour. King Crimson is and always has been great, but Fripp’s guitar can be somewhat schizoid and not for everyone. Still like the first album with Greg Lake on bass and vocals the best, though. Lizard is good, too.
FEAR
December 20th, 2009
1:02 pm
LEW- I appreciate the ealier stuff. But I’m I really like the 80’s King Crimson. Adrian Belew and tony Levin are great
Jurrjens4NLCY
December 20th, 2009
1:07 pm
Lew,
Thats a good string of bands right there.
Salamander
December 20th, 2009
1:10 pm
Been listening to Children of Bodom, Dimmu Borgir, Cathedral, Agnostic Front and some others you might like a bit more, too
I was going to ask if you liked Enslaved Lew, but then I read your statement regarding vocal preference!
Zack Jones
December 20th, 2009
1:14 pm
I say go for Nady and Derosa. Or just go for Bay.
Steve from OH
December 20th, 2009
1:20 pm
I’m with Lew in that I like melodic bands, not the screamers…
Steve from OH
December 20th, 2009
1:23 pm
Anyone here like some of Armored Saint’s stuff?
David O'Brien
December 20th, 2009
1:26 pm
Lest anyone have any doubts whatsoever about Lew and I being the same person, please read his list of musical preferences and understand how far they are from my own. We got Zep, the Stones, Wolfmother, King Crimson and R.E.M. in common from the many he named, and that’s about it. Oh, and I’ve got some George Duke from the 1980s. But some of those bands he listed, I honestly have never even heard.
Trapeze, Medusa … Children of Bodom, Dimmu Borgir, Cathedral, Agnostic Front and some others you might like a bit more, too. — Lew
Lew, you could be making those names up, for all I know of those bands (I know you’re not, but just making a point that those are completely foreign to me).
FEAR, on the other hand, named a bunch of bands I’m into or have been into at some point.
Lew
December 20th, 2009
1:26 pm
Steve-Yeah, projectile vomiting of lyrics is not my thing-maybe if they could make their heads spin like Linda Blair….?. Shame, though, cause there’s some damned good instrumental music coming from a lot of those bands.
Salamander-Not familiar with Enslaved. I’m working on the vocal tolerance thing, though.
Jurrjens-Thanks. I’m not as diverse in musical taste as DOB, but I have heard some great music over the years. Think I’ll go listen to some now. Maybe go back in time a bit and listen to The Soft Parade by the Doors. A little Lizard King is always a good thing. Maybe some Innuendo by Queen, too.
Knox Harrington
December 20th, 2009
1:27 pm
Bay doesn’t want to be a Metropolitan!
dump Lowe on someone for nothing and go get Jason, Frank!
Lew
December 20th, 2009
1:28 pm
Steve-Armored Saint is good.
DOB-Yeah, Dimmu Borgir is NOT compatible with Hank, Sr. or George Jones. No doubt about that whatsoever. Not even sure if they’re from the same Solar System.
FEAR
December 20th, 2009
1:32 pm
Me and Dob are the only ones that are real. We’re just making everyone else up. Were really bored
Lew
December 20th, 2009
1:33 pm
DOB-Yeah, no way we’re the same person. I imagine you might be on a snow board in a week or so-a conveyance no one would ever catch me on. You will actually play in snow whereas I watch it from my living room window and tend to have no interaction with it that is not absolutely essential-like having to drive through it every now and then.
Lew
December 20th, 2009
1:34 pm
FEAR_Though I’ve lost 50 pounds this year, I still take up way too much space to be a figment of anyone’s imagination.
David O'Brien
December 20th, 2009
1:35 pm
FEAR, now that (1:32) was funny. And actually conceivable….
njbraves
December 20th, 2009
1:35 pm
Jason Bay can be had….he doesn’t want to be a Met. Make him a reasonable offer and maybe he accepts it.
Lew
December 20th, 2009
1:36 pm
Oh NO!!! I’m becoming insubstanti…….
FEAR
December 20th, 2009
1:38 pm
So anyway back to the Braves. how about we chuck a deal at bay. the only ones offering are the Mutts and Bay doesn’t want them.
David O'Brien
December 20th, 2009
1:43 pm
Until Jason Bay signs elsewhere, there’s going to be speculation among Braves followers. And for good reason — the Braves had a trade in place for him at the July 2008 deadline, before it was killed by the Pirates.
If the Braves hadn’t traded for McLouth last summer, I’d bet they’d be the favorites to land Bay right now.
Salamander
December 20th, 2009
1:48 pm
Not familiar with Enslaved. I’m working on the vocal tolerance thing, though.
In a nutshell, they’re a Norwegian black metal band that listened to a lot of Pink Floyd. Been around since the early nineties, but their best albums were released from 2000-2006. You might like some of their later stuff (the vocals are more varied with less abrasive interludes). Isa (2004) and Ruun (2006) are excellent. Their latest album, Vertebrae (2008), is mediocre imo.
Jurrjens4NLCY
December 20th, 2009
1:49 pm
I’m with Lew in that I like melodic bands, not the screamers…
but not Nickelback?
FEAR
December 20th, 2009
1:51 pm
anyone like oingo boingo?
Paul Lentz
December 20th, 2009
1:55 pm
David O’Brien……………I would rather see the Braves offer Matt Holliday $17-$18 mil per season for 7 or 8 years…….than see them offer Jason Bay $15-$16 mil over 5 or 6 years.
Kind of like making the decision of between buying a 32 inch 720 pixel and 42 inch HD 1080 pixel flat screen. Sure a 32 in HD flat screen is much nice than the old 19 inch Zenith that you want to upgrade from. However if you spend a little more, you can get a bigger, even more high quality HD tv.
If the Braves are tempted to go after Jason Bay, they might as well make a serious run at Matt Holliday. Holliday is worth the extra couple of mil a year extra.
Jurrjens4NLCY
December 20th, 2009
1:58 pm
Haha, oh Lentz. You’re the Christmas gift that keeps on giving.
FEAR
December 20th, 2009
1:59 pm
like unwrapping a dog turd jurrjens
David O'Brien
December 20th, 2009
2:00 pm
Fear: I remember seeing Oingo Boingo on — get this — American Bandstand when I was in high school. This was about 1980 or so. They did the tune “Little Girls.” I went out and bought the cassette that day, I think. Loved their early stuff.
Danny Elfman (the lead singer) has gone on to make a lot of money as one of the more prolific music composers for movies and television, including most Tim Burton movies and theme songs for The Simpsons and many other shows.
Paul Lentz
December 20th, 2009
2:00 pm
David O’Brien……….I made a posting last night at 8:50pm making the case for how the Braves could afford a payroll of Adrian Gonzalez and Matt Holliday. Did you get a chance to read it?
Granted, I realize that the Braves would have to sweeten the pot of a potential trade that is “centered” around Freddie Freeman and Kris Medlen for Adrian Gonzalez.. However I feel that Frank Wren could get it down without having to give up Tommy Hanson or Jair Jurrjens.
If you get a chance to read it, let me know what your thoughts on it are. I know, the likelihood of the Braves having the stones to make those 2 bold moves are slim. However, it is feasible and makes sense.
Jurrjens4NLCY
December 20th, 2009
2:01 pm
FEAR,
I prefer to think of it as a cute little puppy who hasn’t yet developed motor skill and keeps ramming it’s head into the wall… so precious.
Slowhiteguy
December 20th, 2009
2:01 pm
Lentz, I am afraid the Braves are going to have to settle for Nady. I am not sure what television I would compare him to. How a bout a decent cathode ray tube? I agree with your Bay-Holliday comment though.
Jurrjens4NLCY
December 20th, 2009
2:03 pm
Danny Elfman (the lead singer) has gone on to make a lot of money as one of the more prolific music composers for movies and television, including most of the Tim Burton movies.
Isn’t that common knowledge? What ever happened to American Bandstand? They should bring it back. Help defeat the evil MTV.