2:25 am December 14, 2009, by David O'Brien
December 14th, 20093:34 pm
You just waking up from hibernation, bro? Those 3 names have been regulars on at least the last 2 blogs, and maybe more. I’ll pass on them- they are Mike Hampton in positional player form.
Looks like the D-Backs might scoop up Kelly Johnson.
The Braves should sign Randy Winn. That at least guarantees us that he won’t hit .500 against us for another season.
December 14th, 20093:35 pm
I don’t see how the Phillies get any better losing Lee and getting Halladay? If they had both, they’d be great. But one or the other…doesn’t make much sense.
December 14th, 20093:36 pm
TnBrian..FYI I’m A Braves Fan all my life…
This Halladay new is a Bad News For the Braves because they kill another market city for Lowe, There are third teen involve (Angels,Mariners). Halladay is here in Philadelphia and source say that Lee is going to the Angels Or mariners..This team will send prospect to Toronto and Phillis will received $$$ to pay part of Halladay this year Salary.
LETS TRADE KK AND BOONE LOGAN FOR A -ROD AND MOVE HIM TO FIRST AND THEN GIVE SHEETS 14 MIL A YEAR FOR 5 YEARS AND TRADE HUDSON AND HANSON FOR TYLER YATES
Bay Area Steve
December 14th, 20093:37 pm
To answer your question: no, I do not want to hear the Pledge of Allegiance before a baseball game.
Just Because : “Just because Justin Heyward breaks camp with the Braves in April, it doesn’t mean the outfield quandry is officially settled.”
I sure hope we don’t start anybody named Justin Heyward next year. Jason Heyward though could be really good.
NC Braves Fan
December 14th, 20093:38 pm
Here’s the deal with the Phils and Halladay (I think) -
Phils trade Lee for prospects and maybe a Joe Blanton.
Phils trade prospects to TOR for Halladay, and extend Halladay.
Phils keep Happ and Drabek.
So trading Lee allows them to manage payroll and keep their most prized prospects.
Just Because – I agree 100%. We aren’t buying the bat that will meet our needs. We’ll get to the playoffs only if Heyward has a rookie of the year type season.
December 14th, 20093:39 pm
Sorry – on the 3:38 post … I meant that Blanton would go to Toronto in the Halladay deal.
December 14th, 20093:40 pm
With an outfield manned by Logan Schafer and Justin Heyward who needs Holiday or Bay?
Nova Scotia Steve - #40
Morosi tweets that MLB hasn’t granted the Phils permission to negotiate with Halladay yet, but a deal “looks close
Kinda of makes our hopes for a Nady, Cameron, Atkins signing sound like small potatoes doesn’t it…
December 14th, 20093:41 pm
Halladay > Lee.
That’s the improvement
Roy Halladay is the best pitcher in baseball and has been for a few years…in my opinion
December 14th, 20093:42 pm
I just wrote a Freddie Freeman story, which should be posted on the website later tonight or tomorrow. It’s supposed to run in Wednesday’s paper, I think.
Sign me to replace Norton….I can do just as well and I cost considerably less!!!
Let's Put Our Heads Together, and Start a New Rumor up
December 14th, 20093:43 pm
Jason, not Justin. There, consider yourself scolded.
Andy K…saw ur latest trade proposal…lay off the model airplane glue.
December 14th, 20093:44 pm
.300, .400, .900 that’s about what we need from our 1st baseman.
What’s all the trouble with that about? Want the SLG? Subtract the OBP from the OPS. :mrgreen?:
no smaller than, say, yesterday, LOL.
Oh crap, I’ve just read the last few posts. The Phils are upgrading to Halladay from Lee without giving up Happ or Drabek or Hamels. That’s a heck of a rotation and doesn’t mortgage nearly as much of the future as it sounded like a few minutes ago.
December 14th, 20093:45 pm
December 14th, 20093:46 pm
After the season Lee had with the Phillies, I can’t see anybody being an upgrade. What more could you expect than what Lee gave them.
LOOGY, i think its more realistic than others have suggested.
ugaaccountant – I don’t know that for sure – that’s just my guess.
Which probably means it’s wrong.
December 14th, 20093:48 pm
“I just wrote a Freddie Freeman story, which should be posted on the website later tonight or tomorrow. It’s supposed to run in Wednesday’s paper, I think.” – DOB
Sweet. Looking forward to it. I hope he turns out to be an everyday first basemen for us.
Also I want to throw a request out there. I’d like to see you do an exclusive interview and story on Hoss. The guy’s got lots of character and tons of good stories. Who knows… it could be his last season.
Geez louise, if the Phils can turn up a year of Cliff Lee and a Halliday extension without giving up Drabek, Brown, OR the other kid, then that’s some fine doings for them. Doesn’t hardly seem possible to do that, does it?
18 Wheels of Love
Does Freeman have a nickname? If not, I suggest The Jackalope. Wait until you see the guy run.
December 14th, 20093:49 pm
I just read this blog on the “Baby Btraves” from 2005. It is true, there was escitement when the Braves were able to extend their string of post-seasons by bringing up and getting production from so many rookies that year. It seemed that the string would never end, and it is disappointing that it didn’t work out that way.
However, looking over the list of 18, I would ask how many have gone on to have stellar careers elsewhere? I think this is more about the Braves over-valuing their prospects. We hear so much hype, and then when the new player arrives, we are jolted back to reality. Our vaulted farm system hasn’t always been as good as advertized.
December 14th, 20093:52 pm
Jersey girl, you’re obviously a Phillies fan, like Anders is a Mets fan patrolling Brave Land, but I guess that’s cool.
TnBrian, Jersey Gil (not girl) is a well-informed, long-time poster and one hell of a Braves fan. I believe he either lives near Philadelphia or is married to a Phillies fan, or maybe both. He is definitely nothing like Anders.
December 14th, 20093:54 pm
That is $16.5M/yr….maybe the Lowe money isn’t looking so bad after-all….
December 14th, 20093:55 pm
I watched the 11pm episode as i was house sitting. i was just blown away and up screaming NOOOO and covering my mouth in disbelief. I have NEVER been this shocked over any tv show in my life. True piece of work. Cant wait till next season! Fan describing the Dexter season ending episode
Buffalo NY Braves Fan
December 14th, 20093:56 pm
Now that Lackey is in Boston, and Halladay is 95% going to Philly, do you see Anaheim stepping up talks to get Lowe?
December 14th, 20093:57 pm
Here’s hoping Wren was on the horn with the Angels 10 minutes ago..
Nolie, I think Community has stayed strong. Funny show. So has Modern Family.
But to me, It’s Always Sunny In Philadelphia is funnier than anything on TV except The Office.
Also watched an episode of Parks & Recreation last night on OnDemand, after reading that it was better this season than its first season. I was pleasantly surprised to find I agreed — it was really good, the hunting episode. When I watched first couple episodes last season, I thought it was pretty lame, and hadn’t watched it since. But they made some smart changes to cast, etc.
December 14th, 20093:58 pm
CNN-si seattle – phily – blue jays three team trade
December 14th, 20094:00 pm
Saw that trade announcement… If true…wow.
Halladay to phils, lee to mariners…ugh
Scott from Fairburn
5 years, 85 Million for Lackey … for a pitcher who has averaged 170 innings for the past two years?
Theo is drinking Draino
December 14th, 20094:01 pm
I am glad we have you DOB because Bradley is a JOKE.
Hey never thought to ask but how did you feel about the season Finale of SOA?
NOOOOO I HATE THE PHILLIES
Seattle gets Lee
Phi get Halladay
Blue Jays get young talent
So….Halladay to the Phils and Lackey to the Red Sox. Matsui signing with the Angels, too. Lowe to the Angels makes too much sense if you ask me.
December 14th, 20094:02 pm
Buffalo NY Braves Fan, mmmm, lets see, you want a cheaper, better Cliff Lee or an over priced 37 year old coming off one of his worst seasons? If I’m either the M’s or Angels I’m gagging at the thought of Lowe over Lee. Safe to say that we’ll be waiting a tad bit longer for a Lowe trade if Lee is on the trading block.
Jersey Gil, I’m sorry. Thought I’ve seen you post here or somewhere else as a Phillies fan. Yep. GO BRAVES!
African Safari — that’s the idea, just what Braves had hoped for, that Lackey would get $16 mill or more in a five-year deal. Lowe market should start to take shape quickly, if Lackey and Halladay are gone.
I keep hearing Cust, Nady, et. al. on the blog, but not a lot of mention of Troy Glaus. Do you think he might be someone the Braves would consider? He had a very solid year for STL in 2008 (something like 27 hr and 90 rbi), but was out last season. ESPN has mentioned he is looking for a full-time 3b or 1b postion, and is open to either at a 1 or 2 year deal to prove he’s healthy. Sounds like a fairly viable option to me…your thoughts?
December 14th, 20094:03 pm
DOB I am in full agreement with all of those shows. Community seems to get better every week and Modern Family is great. I am a huge It’s Always Sunny fan (Did you see Green Man on Sunday Night Football last night?)
The best new show for me has to be “The League”. It’s got a similar kind of raunchy humor to It’s Always Sunny. I hope that one has enough following to stick around for a while.
December 14th, 20094:04 pm
If this three-team trade does go through…how do you have to feel if you’re Lee? Dude did as well as possible and still not wanted…
Hopefully the Angels need Lowe to replace Lackey. I haven’t heard of anyone else better available now that Halladay & Lee & Lackey have found homes. I’m glad all 3 movements happened at the same time as hopefully it scares the Angels a bit.
December 14th, 20094:05 pm
I am so beyond sick of the “but he played in Coors Field” argument I am getting from others…
Do they have selective amnesia where they haven’t heard of Holliday or Galarraga?
Besides the fact that the differentials aren’t as pronounced as they once were because of the humador (sp).
Like I said before, we’re gonna end up with who we’re gonna end up with…there’s not much use on b*tching about the what-if’s, but I don’t think I’d be too upset having Atkins who by some scouts was always projected to be just as good a big leaguer as his former college teammate Chase Utley.
Which leads me to another point. In the future, are former Phillies going to be black balled because they play in Citizens Bank?
Guys who put up numbers will continue to do so no matter where they play, even if they weren’t pull hitters and had to play at the Polo Grounds. (Some of you may know what I am talking about)
Well Phils have Halladay, Sox have Lackey and Mariners have Lee. Hopefully that leaves us with a match in the Angels. Maybe some of the Mariners moves will motivate LA.
Halladay for Lee may not be too bad for us. Halladay is a little better than Lee, but not much. We’ll have to wait to see what kind of extension they give him before we can access the damage. Let’s hope they sign Halladay to a stupidly expensive extension that handcuffs them for a few years.
abwright (December 14th, 2009 2:19 pm): “Are you sure [Matsui] can still hit the ball?”
Oh, h3ll yeah.
In fact, I’d say he’s about 95% probable to re-sign with the Yankees as DH on a one-year deal. (If the Yankees decide Damon wants too much $$$ or too many years.)
Matsui 2009: .274/.367/.509/.876, 28 HRs, 21 2Bs, 90 RBIs, 64 BBs, 75Ks in 142 Gs/528 PAs.
Question is, can he field his position? And how much would he cost?
December 14th, 20094:06 pm
If this three-team trade does go through…how do you have to feel if you’re Lee? Dude did as well as possible and still not wanted…
I think that’s Lee’s own fault african, I’ve read that he won’t take a hometown discount to stay in Philly, while Holliday will and wants to play in Philly
Mariners get Lee and Angels loose Lackey? Come on LAA, pony up something or anything for Lowe.
December 14th, 20094:07 pm
Andy K.: I fail to see why you think the D’backs’ interest in free agent Kelly Johnson, who no longer has ties to the Braves, would somehow prompt a multi-player trade between the teams.
Robert (Chipper Is The Best0
If the Phils-Mariners-Jays trade is true I think its great news for the Braves. They would now have the Angels over a barrell. They’ll be forced to look at Lowe if they want to compete with the Mariners and Rangers. Also, with Lackey going to the Red Sox the Yanks will be forced to listen on Lowe despite their cries otherwise. And it sure is looking like Johnny Damon may not return along with Matsui. Damon back to the Red Sox perhaps?
Rob in pain from (SC)
I could care less about the Phillies keeping Drabek, but Domonic Brown has the tools to be really good. If the Phillies were able to get Lee and now Halladay without Brown, then Ruben Amaro needs to be our next GM
My Wife is a huge Phillis Fan…and right now she is so mad Because Cliff Lee is trade to the Mariners.
December 14th, 20094:08 pm
The Angels need Lowe the most, especially if Halladay and Lackey are gone, and Lee is pitching for the rival Mariners.
sidslidkid “Halladay is a little better than Lee, but not much.”
The difference is that Halladay has been dominant for a longer period of time. While Lee has been stellar the last 3 years or so, Haladay has been among the best in the league for years.
Mike Mike Bo: We’re headed to Whislter on Christmas Day, for a week. Coming back New Year’s Day. So that powder is pretty awesome, huh? I bet. I mean, 18 freakin’ feet of snow up there in November alone.
Phillies traded Lee to the Mariners, and then traded for Halladay…..Weird.
December 14th, 20094:09 pm
Cliff Lee already said he would not give a hometown discount. If he is going to require 15plus then might as well get Halladay
Dayvo Bryan – A few people have mentioned Glaus. He’s one of a large number of people that seem like third tier targets.
1st tier – Big money guys like Bay or Holliday. Braves highly unlikely to buy at this level
2nd tier – Laroche, Nady, Cameron, Swisher, Delgado – Guys who would start everyday
3rd tier – Cust, Atkins, Branyan, Glaus – Guys that really should be in a platoon if we’re serious about contending for the playoffs.
DOB:I was just shooting from the hip going off on Ojeda’s availability after a KJ signing…
Marc in FL
December 14th, 20094:10 pm
Great, the only two (or three really) bigger than Lower are gone. Now the Braves have some leverage. Thanks to the wonderful Mariners completely screwing the Angels thus far this offseason, I wonder if 15mil a year for Lowe sounds good to them?
5 yrs 85 mil for Lackey to sox, 3 team deal of phils, jays, and M’s to get lee to the m’s and halladay to phils
Seems like an odd trade for Philly. You have a top-line pitcher who’s proven he can pitch well in your park, so you turn around and trade him for another (albeit great) top-line pitcher, not knowing how he’ll adapt to your park and team? Is the difference between Lee and Halladay going to be that significant? What are the financial differences?
At this point (given the trade goes through) the Mariners and Rangers have better starting rotations than the Angles and arguably better offenses. The Angels will have to finally come off of it and start dealing. Kazmir and Saunders won’t be enough to win the AL West and they sure won’t be enough to get past the Yanks, Red Sox, or Rays for the World Series.
DAP (December 14th, 2009 2:21 pm): “ugaaccountant did specify what his slash lines meant, a little further down from his original post.”
Actually, that was RC who originated the comment and later clarified it.
ugaacountant had merely (lazily and inconsiderately) quoted RC without attribution of any kind, nor quotation marks nor italics.
December 14th, 20094:11 pm
let the Derek Lowe sweepstakes begin!
I remember when your boy was just a #2. Man, is he the real deal, or what?
Maybe that “I don’t plan to offer any discount on any extension” stuff from Lee gave the Phillies a thought, to wit, “if we’re going to have pay a pitcher Roy Halladay money, let’s pay Roy Halladay.”
And DOB, It’s Always Sunny is better than The Office, though The Office is a close second with Man Vs. Food 3rd and Community 4th (Chevy Chase still has it).
December 14th, 20094:12 pm
Hmm…Heaven on Earth is a freshly baked molasses cookie. Holy cow…amazing…
Boo-yah! So the Fillies don’t have Lee anymore? Nice…But the Fillies didn’t happen to wind up with Ian Snell, did they? I mean, he was on the M’s last I saw…
Nah, too good to be true…
No detail yet..but the Tv & Radio here is breaking the News…Halladay discussing Extention with the Phillis before announce be make.They show TV clip that Halladay is here with his Agent in a downtown Hotel, he be taking a physical tomorrow.
17 mil avg for Lackey seems Lowe @ 15 mil would look good to Angels
Some of you I don’t think realize what type of pitcher Roy Halladay is…
I predict because of the quality pitcher Halladay is and the offense Philly has…if healthy Roy Halladay is NL Cy Young in 2010
December 14th, 20094:13 pm
This is all good news for the Braves and here is why:
Lackey’s money makes Lowe’s contract look better, and I dont see how Philly improved much all by adding Halladay and losing Cliff Lee. Lee pitched great and all Halladay can do is win, so they kinda replaced wins with wins (I know sounds weird)but they didn’t add anything. Lee and Halladay would have scared me but I see no advantage of getting one and trading the other. So now if the Yanks or Angels need another pitcher, D. Lowe is the best one available (Vasquez excluded).
Derek Lowe is going to the Angels there is a god!!! lol
No but really now that they lost out on Halladay and Lackey, they probably have to go for Lowe and they will probably take on most of the contract YES!!
Phillies sign Halladay?
Well that kinda sucks… kinda. Halladay gives them a better chance of winning over Lee, but not much, expect except the Braves. I doubt we put up winning numbers against Phils, which will hurt in the long run.
Holliday’s numbers fell big time from Colorado to Oakland. But when he went to St. Louis he was a monster again. I’m no expert at this but i’ve always heard Colorado/Philly/New Yankees = Inflated and Oakland/San Diego = Deflated. But I think you’re right about the humidor getting Colorado back to a more normal situation.
Atkins – I agree there’s talent there. I don’t know what exactly caused the 09 falloff.
December 14th, 20094:14 pm
If the deals for Halladay and Lackey go through Frank is going to become a very popular guy. Actually, I think our best return for Lowe might be some very solid prospects. With his $15M x 3 we should be able to reel in some significant offensive help as well as extend Javy.
December 14th, 20094:16 pm
At least we don’t open against the Phils this year.
Jurrjens4NLCY, we can just match KK up against Halladay and we’ll be fine. He’s like a wild card that trumps all aces.
December 14th, 20094:17 pm
I don’t know, but am I the only one who doesn’t exactly see this as a major win for the Phils? Lee was lights out down the stretch and in the playoffs and projected well in that park, while Halladay is often injured and could be a real liability before this is all said and done considering his past occurances with quitting on his team, such as what he did the 2nd half of 09.
I think the M’s really win here with their acquisition of Lee, along with the team they’re building out there.
We might extend Javy, but I think Wren will try to lock up JJJ and Hanson first, and then Medlen or Minor can take over in 2011 if Javy leaves. If he has another year like 09′ he’ll want to stay though, lol, he’s never had that kind of success though.
December 14th, 20094:18 pm
Unless we extend Vazquez…I don’t see the point in trading Lowe?
according to mlbtraderumors: Phils got halladay, sent Cliff Lee to the Mariners
Just imagine, a freaking Euro soccer match could very well decide who wins $1 mil in the ESPN ‘Streak for the Cash’ contest. Today is the last day of the contest, and of the 4 players left who can win, 1 took Queens Park Rangers to (win or tie), the other 3 took West Bromwich to win.
Well, in the 71st minute, the player from San Francisco who took Queens Park is up 2-1 (meaning that he is in fact up 2 goals because a tie will net him the $1 mil prize).
I can only imagine how much dude is sweating it out. A freaking soccer match deciding your fate, lol.
December 14th, 20094:19 pm
How likely would the Braves consider extending Vazquez’s contract if they do indeed trade Lowe? With Hanson and JJ already in the Majors and performing at a very high level, those two partnered with Hudson, Vazquez and KK for the next 2-3 years should make the Braves pretty well set in the rotation (with guys like Medlen and Reyes available for spot starts in case of injuries).
sorry about that….I see i was a little behind on that news.
P-Town Brave ,
I agree with you in that the Mariners are the winners in this trade. The Phils might have upgraded slightly from Lee to Halladay, but I would like to see what prospects they might have given up to make that happen.
Lee to Ms and Halladay to Phils…..and Lackey apparently just signed as well. WoW that was a crazy 20 minutes. Let the calls for Lowe begin…
December 14th, 20094:20 pm
Folks, don’t forget about the Yankees. All this talk and player movement from Boston, Toronto and maybe LAA- Yankees could get jealous or desperate and make a move to snatch Lowe. But don’t count on Swisher in return- remeber people, this is a salary dump more than a straight trade.
December 14th, 20094:22 pm
Wow, if the M’s are in on Lee then I would think that would take them off the list for Lowe, unless they are just being highly aggressive.
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