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unbelievable
December 14th, 2009
8:51 pm
Bowman writes garbage
BravesFanChris25
December 14th, 2009
8:51 pm
Phils can’t afford both Halladay and Lee. Lee is very likely involved in the deal.
P'cola Brave
December 14th, 2009
8:51 pm
Wonder if the Braves would be interested in Sheff as a bench player. He can play the OF some and I know last year he said he would like to return to Atlanta or Florida. He would be a nice PH option late in games.
Burdell
December 14th, 2009
8:53 pm
Phils can’t afford both Halladay and Lee. Lee is very likely involved in the deal.
If they move Blanton they can.
The Blogger Formerly Known as Billy
December 14th, 2009
8:53 pm
To the poster commenting about others answering questions for DOB:
Number one, if its a question that’s been answered before, some will answer to save DOB’s time for new and more pertinent Information. Also, it is a discussion blog, attempting to come here and hear one voice seem….well….for lack of a better word, stupid.
Number two, this may not be the place for you if need that much attention. Some here will eat you alive for ignorant and thoughtless post as you’ve obviously found out.
jason
December 14th, 2009
8:53 pm
Since lackey went to the sox maybe the yanks will make a play for lowe. I personally think swisher would be a good pick up for his versatility and for the clubhouse. Maybe with the yanks we wouldn’t have to eat as much salary.
sidslidkid
December 14th, 2009
8:54 pm
P’cola Brave, depends on how much money he wants. I don’t want to spend millions on Sheff. Not at his age.
BravesFanChris25
December 14th, 2009
8:54 pm
Burdell
Mariners would want more than Blanton to be fair.
Maine
December 14th, 2009
8:55 pm
cameron to boston
unbelievable
December 14th, 2009
8:55 pm
7:53pm: Mike Cameron has signed with Boston, the AP reports.
Nick in PA
December 14th, 2009
8:55 pm
Mike Cameron deal official
P'cola Brave
December 14th, 2009
8:56 pm
The Phils cant afford Halladay and Lee. They still have a bullpen problem to address. The M’s wouldn’t be getting involved unless they are getting something good in return.
Maine
December 14th, 2009
8:56 pm
Yeah as of MLBTR Mike Cameron to boston
David O'Brien
December 14th, 2009
8:56 pm
I don’t see why the Phillies would trade Cliff Lee for Roy Halladay. Granted, I’m not following the fiscal side quite as much as some, but Lee’s as good or better. — Ronald Millsaps
No, he’s not.
TnBrian
December 14th, 2009
8:56 pm
There goes Cameron. Signs with Boston, so that leaves Marlon Byrd as our new “power bat”! Kidding.
Braves Lifer
December 14th, 2009
8:58 pm
Cuban left-handed pitcher Aroldis Chapman has an offer on the table from the Boston Red Sox worth $15.5 million, several sources told ESPN The Magazine’s Jorge Arangure Jr.
http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/mlb/news/story?id=4741805
Nick in PA
December 14th, 2009
8:59 pm
Cliff Lee IS better than Roy Halladay!
Assuming Halladay’s right arm fell off
cricket
December 14th, 2009
8:59 pm
Angels pretty much have to trade for Lowe now, giving braves enough leverage to get Rivera without eating any of Lowe’s salary.
Efrim
December 14th, 2009
8:59 pm
So Drabek is included in the deal as well? Now I am second guessing the Phillies here. Is the difference between Lee and Halladay that significant that you needed to include Taylor and Drabek?
David O'Brien
December 14th, 2009
9:00 pm
By the way, if they managed to get Rivera, the Braves would have a hitter who batted .333 with a 1.030 OPS and 12 homers in 141 at-bats against lefties.
And hit .325 (49-for-151) with an .898 OPS with RISP last season.
For his career, he has a .313 average and .869 OPS in 594 at-bats with RISP.
sidslidkid
December 14th, 2009
9:00 pm
The Red Sox really loosened uo the purse strings this offseaon. They better save some nickels for Beckett.
P'cola Brave
December 14th, 2009
9:00 pm
15.5 mil for 2 years. Camerons deal.
Braves Lifer
December 14th, 2009
9:01 pm
Mike Cameron
7:58pm: Deal is in the range of $15.5MM for two years, tweets Ken Rosenthal.
cricket
December 14th, 2009
9:01 pm
Cliff Lee IS better than Roy Halladay!
No worries either way, we got dragon slayer KK san
P'cola Brave
December 14th, 2009
9:02 pm
To me the only way Rivera is involved is if the Braves eat some salary. They can’t just give him away. They would have to find a new OF which saving money from Lowe would help them do.
Efrim
December 14th, 2009
9:02 pm
I don’t see why the Phillies would trade Cliff Lee for Roy Halladay. Granted, I’m not following the fiscal side quite as much as some, but Lee’s as good or better.
He isn’t better. But when you include two of Phillies top prospects and 6 million*the difference of their 2010 salaries), then I begin to question the move.
But hey, Phillies want to win, right now. They realize their window and are going for it.
P'cola Brave
December 14th, 2009
9:02 pm
How long is Rivera under team control? anyone know?
Braves Lifer
December 14th, 2009
9:02 pm
Redsox get Lackey, Cameron, and put in an offer for Chapman all in the same day. The Hot Stove just got a bit hotter.
BravesFanChris25
December 14th, 2009
9:03 pm
Deal is in the range of $15.5MM for two years, tweets Ken Rosenthal.
For Cameron.
P'cola Brave
December 14th, 2009
9:04 pm
Wonder if signing Lackey and then Cameron to complete the outfield means they may get in for Adrian Gonzalez.
Braves Lifer
December 14th, 2009
9:04 pm
P’cola Brave- How long is Rivera under team control? anyone know?
Two years at 10:$4.25M, 11:$5.25M
Nick in PA
December 14th, 2009
9:06 pm
and the rich get richer…
…where’s robin hood when you need him
African Safari
December 14th, 2009
9:07 pm
P’cola Brave -
Some have suggested that is indeed their plan…
Braves Lifer
December 14th, 2009
9:07 pm
P’cola Brave- You know what I was reading somewhere that the Redsox preferred to sign a FA pitcher and OFer so that they could attempt to trade for a AGon. It was like a few weeks ago so I have no link. They surely could muster a package together though.
David O'Brien
December 14th, 2009
9:08 pm
One more than about Rivera. As a cleanup hitter last season, he hit .351 (26-for-74) with a .916 OPS.
For his career, in the cleanup spot he’s hit .336 (79-for-235) with 14 homers, 48 RBI and a .939 OPS.
Granted, a relatively small sample, but damn!
Like I said, can’t see Angels giving him up without Braves eating sizeable chunk of Lowe’s salary.
Chris from the Rock
December 14th, 2009
9:09 pm
Hey Alex Anthopolous, there are still some backup catchers out there that you haven’t signed! Quickly!…Ink Paul Bako and Michael Barrett before they get away!
AdirondackDave
December 14th, 2009
9:09 pm
Wow, I can’t remember that last time so much speculation floating around the baseball world. This Halliday/lee rumor mill is spectacular. It may play out very differently?
Maine
December 14th, 2009
9:10 pm
*PRAYS*
COME ONE ANGELS
P'cola Brave
December 14th, 2009
9:11 pm
I guess before Boston gets to into talks with the Pads they would have to get that Lowell deal finalized. Youk to third. A Gon at 1st.
That could put the Rays out of contention allowing Pena or Crawford to fall into our lap around summer haha. Of course that is if we don’t get Rivera.
African Safari
December 14th, 2009
9:11 pm
Granted, a relatively small sample, but damn!
Like I said, can’t see Angels giving him up without Braves eating sizeable chunk of Lowe’s salary.
DOB -
Most of those that do well in life and then talk about it attribute a positive attitude (and surrounding themselves with positive people) to being one of the biggest contributors. So, let’s be positive….
The Angels WILL trade Rivera for Lowe this offseason…. damn.
Eric from MO
December 14th, 2009
9:12 pm
Efrim and Ronald I agree. Halladay is slightly better but not much. Does anyone think Halladay could of done better than what Lee did when he joined the Phillies last year? The only reason I see them doing this is because they think it will be easier to resign Halladay to an extension than Lee. They are going to end up giving 6 to 7 prospects when this is all said and done(including the Lee trade).
Braves Lifer
December 14th, 2009
9:13 pm
With Lackey does that make the RedSox the deepest pitching staff in the league?
1. Josh Beckett
2. John Lackey
3. Jon Lester
4. Clay Buchholz
5. Tim Wakefield
6. Daisuke Matsuzaka
unbelievable
December 14th, 2009
9:13 pm
DOB, Bobby would probably still bat Rivera 8th
Brian
December 14th, 2009
9:13 pm
2 years, 15.5 for Cameron? Geez, I thought we would have had a shot, but not at that sort of coin. Congrats to Cameron for getting that deal. I knew Cameron was underrated, but what I forgot was that Boston is really smart, so they know he’s underrated.
P'cola Brave
December 14th, 2009
9:14 pm
To me Halladay is the best pitcher in baseball. His extension will probably be easier to work out then Lee. Lee will be chasing the paycheck while Halladay is ready to win.
Eric from MO
December 14th, 2009
9:15 pm
Braves lifer I would say at the moment ours is deeper, but wont be the case when we trade either Vazquez or Lowe.
Tomahawk Talk
December 14th, 2009
9:15 pm
anyone think the signin of matsui looks good for braves getting rivera?
Brian
December 14th, 2009
9:16 pm
Halladay is better than Lee every day of the week and twice on Sunday. The list of pitchers in baseball I would take right now over Halladay has about one name on it, and that’s Tim Lincecum. Maybe Sabathia, but I’d have to think about it.
Lee and Doc
December 14th, 2009
9:17 pm
Even IF the Phils get Doc without giving up Lee…. it’s an all or nothing shot at winning it all again this year. The Phils cannot afford Doc and the money Lee will demand NEXT YEAR when he becomes a FA. And on top of that, if Hammels rebounds, his contract will come due at some time. Along with Rollins, Utley, Howard, etc.
The Phils have some money, but they ain’t got the pockets of the Yankees or Red Sox.
P'cola Brave
December 14th, 2009
9:17 pm
We’re gonna trade Lowe and the Sox will trade Bucholz to the Pads for Gonzalez. So in the end they will be equal.
Maine
December 14th, 2009
9:18 pm
If Javier Vaz Accepts a Trade to the angels
Juan Rivera + Brandon wood for javy
Would that be a good deal for both teams?
P'cola Brave
December 14th, 2009
9:19 pm
Tomahawk…..
I think the Matsui signing and loss of Lackey makes it a good shot for the Braves to get Rivera.
Brian
December 14th, 2009
9:19 pm
Sabathia has 26 complete games since 2003…highly impressive. But he’s second to Halladay, who has 44 in that time frame. Only Sabathia and Livan Hernandez even have half as many. Now you’re taking him out of the AL East? Yikes.
AdirondackDave
December 14th, 2009
9:19 pm
Braves Lifer — Yes, I would say that the Red Sox rotation is the class of the American League. Maybe comparable to the Braves.
CB
December 14th, 2009
9:19 pm
A very eventful day on the free agent,trade market to say the least. scoots, the thought of you with a whip on Paul L. was not a pleasant thought. LOL
Efrim
December 14th, 2009
9:19 pm
Halladay is slightly better but not much.
Eric, I actually think he is a good bit better. But that probably isn’t worth what they are giving up right now. Drabek shouldn’t be included, if I was Philly. But maybe they are getting prospects from the Mariners….
Brian
December 14th, 2009
9:20 pm
Maine, that would be an outstanding deal for the Braves, but a little too outstanding for the Angels to do it.
Plus, isn’t Vazquez supposed to veto any deal to a team out west? That’s what I’ve always heard.
Efrim
December 14th, 2009
9:20 pm
Juan Rivera + Brandon wood for javy
Would that be a good deal for both teams?
Not for the Braves. You need to get more than that for Vazquez, imo.
Braves Lifer
December 14th, 2009
9:20 pm
“anyone think the signin of matsui looks good for braves getting rivera?”
To me Matsui replaces Vlad and not Rivera but I guess it helps to a degree. I think Halladay and Lackey signing helps us to get him more. Maybe the starts will align and we will get him soon.
Maine
December 14th, 2009
9:21 pm
Cardinals RB have a case of Fumblness
P'cola Brave
December 14th, 2009
9:22 pm
It may just be me but there seems to only be a few teams real active this year. The names I keep hearing over an over are Atlanta, Boston, LA Angels, Phils, Mariners, Rangers and Yanks.
J-MAN
December 14th, 2009
9:22 pm
Well I’d take Zach Grienke Felix Hernandez, and Tim Lincecum over Halladay but not Lee. But Lee isnt that far off and if its for money reasons then I’d try to dump salary else where how about Ibanez and Werth instead of lee. Don’t understand it but thats ok I’m not gonna disagree lol
Brian
December 14th, 2009
9:22 pm
Effrim, are you crazy? Two years of Rivera and four years of Wood for one year of Vazquez? You better believe Wren would take that in a hot second.
Maine
December 14th, 2009
9:22 pm
are you kidding, Brandon wood could be our future 3rd baseman and Rivera could be our Clean up hitter.
Efrim
December 14th, 2009
9:22 pm
Maine, that would be an outstanding deal for the Braves, but a little too outstanding for the Angels to do it.
The Angels should jump at that if it was offered.
P'cola Brave
December 14th, 2009
9:23 pm
Heck yes, If the Braves could get Wood and Rivera for Vazquez and he would agree I would help pack his bags.
Greg Olson Homers
December 14th, 2009
9:23 pm
How much money would we have to send with Lowe to get Rivera? $15 million total?
This may be wishful thinking, but given how many teams Wren reportedly met with at the meetings, a trade could happen quickly now that the market has developed.
Salty Dawg
December 14th, 2009
9:24 pm
Random question: If a player gets traded with the original team picking up a portion of his salary, such as may happen with Lowe, would insurance cover that portion of the salary if the player later goes on the DL long-term? Anyone know?
Maine
December 14th, 2009
9:24 pm
But this is all assuming Javy accepts a deal to the Angels
Efrim
December 14th, 2009
9:25 pm
Brian and Maine, you are both drastically underrating Vazquez’ ability and value.
Voice from the past...
December 14th, 2009
9:25 pm
Wonder what Lowe + Schafer would yield from the Halos?
Hmmm…
P'cola Brave
December 14th, 2009
9:25 pm
DOB
Will the commissioner have to give his approval for the Braves to move Lowe to the Angels or does that only have to do with the amount of money Atlanta sends with him?
P'cola Brave
December 14th, 2009
9:26 pm
You won’t get more than Rivera and Wood for Vaz. That is an excellent deal for the Braves. To bad the Angels will laugh.
Efrim
December 14th, 2009
9:26 pm
Brandon Wood is no longer a top prospect and Juan Rivera, while a good player, isn’t exactly a player you’d desire to be your cleanup hitter.
J-MAN
December 14th, 2009
9:27 pm
I guess you colud look up the Hampton situation to get that answer
Eric In Albany N.Y.
December 14th, 2009
9:29 pm
I dont know about you people but im ready for a move! lets go lets go lets go!
P'cola Brave
December 14th, 2009
9:29 pm
Wood hit around 30 HR between the minors and majors last year and Rivera hit 25 in the majors. If you think Vazquez has more value than that one year from free agency you are dreaming.
Your talking about the Halos starting LF and their possible starting 3B in Wood. The Halos would laugh.
J-MAN
December 14th, 2009
9:29 pm
Who has a better career from this moment on Schafer or Xavier Nady?
hmmmmmmmmmm
December 14th, 2009
9:29 pm
But DOB what if it is more than Lowe/Rivera? Maybe prospect swapping might off set some $$$ concern. My bigger question is the Angels lost a starting 3b and a starting pitcher so why do they now also want to make an outfield hole (keep in min Vlad is gone now too) ? Idk if the Angels bite on this, too many holes to fill in their lineup…
Scott from Fairburn
December 14th, 2009
9:29 pm
If I’m the Angels, I trade for Lowe … sending the Braves Rivera … and my own salary issue .. Gary Mathews, Jr. This clears money for Bay or Holiday.
Brian
December 14th, 2009
9:29 pm
Effrim, I think Vazquez will be one of the top 10 pitchers in the NL next year, and I would still take that deal easily. Do you understand that Vazquez is a free agent after this season?
Remember, you’re really trading contracts just as much as you’re trading players. In return for Vazquez, we can reasonably expect to get a player with one, maybe two years left on his contract. I think the Angels would think about trading Vazquez for Rivera straight up. But tossing in their starting third baseman for the next four years plus? That would be insane.
nolie
December 14th, 2009
9:29 pm
Brandon Wood available. Thats questionable to me. P’Cola
so far Wood has done nothing and he’s been around a while, I’d rather have Rivera- who they might feel is too much to give up
P'cola Brave
December 14th, 2009
9:30 pm
Sounds like the phils will get some prospects in the deal. Trying to recoup what they lost.
Brave4life
December 14th, 2009
9:31 pm
Now that Cameron has signed with the Bosox, does that mean Bay takes the Mets offer. if so..damn Nl east is getting tougher
P'cola Brave
December 14th, 2009
9:31 pm
Scott…
With the Braves eating some salary of Lowes they will have enough for Holliday. They have Figgins and Lackey off the books. I think they move Rivera for Lowe then sign Holliday. Making Matthews Jr the #4 OF again.
unbelievable
December 14th, 2009
9:31 pm
Phillies are getting Aumont now
Alabrave
December 14th, 2009
9:32 pm
There are reports out of Philly that Lee wasn’t open to signing a long term deal. If they can upgrade (at least slightly) and get a long term deal signed… Seems like a good move to me.
Brian
December 14th, 2009
9:33 pm
LOL, Scott, the Braves would not take Gary Mathews in a deal. What would that solve? Taking Rivera and Mathews is the same as having Lowe money-wise, and Mathews is one of the worst three to five players in baseball.
P'cola Brave
December 14th, 2009
9:33 pm
My guess is that if the M’s land Lee they go and get Bay. The M’s are becoming more desirable and have a lot of money to spend. Bay lives 30 min outside Seattle and they have made a lot of moves that make them a desirable place to play this year.
Steve from OH
December 14th, 2009
9:34 pm
I would not trade Javy for Rivera and Wood.
African Safari
December 14th, 2009
9:34 pm
Lots of trade suggestions…I would love to just get Rivera out of a Lowe deal in some capacity.
Efrim
December 14th, 2009
9:34 pm
You won’t get more than Rivera and Wood for Vaz. That is an excellent deal for the Braves. To bad the Angels will laugh.
Why would the Angels laugh? Vazquez was one of the top pitchers in baseball last year. Rivera’s OPS+ was 109 last year in his first year of 500+ plate appearances. Brandon Wood has hit .192/.222/.313 in a little under 300 plate appearances at the major league level, he strikes out quite often, and hasn’t had that good of a walk rate for his minor league career. Why wouldn’t the Angels want to fill a need like starting pitching with someone like Javy?
TnBrian
December 14th, 2009
9:35 pm
I think I’d rather have Rivera than Cameron. I think if Atlanta got Rivera that he has a better chance to knock out more HR’s, more upside. Plus, reading those numbers he’s put up in the cleanup spot makes him that better for us. We have a good CF here already, just lacking a cleanup hitter.
I’d offer Schafer with Lowe & see if that would be enough to not want the Braves to pay as much of Lowe’s salary. Schafer has upside no matter who was saying yesterday to me “why would any team want a player who was overmatched in the bigs last year”. That’s stupid. They have records & would know he was battling a wrist injury. He’s 23 years old for Christ Sake.
P'cola Brave
December 14th, 2009
9:35 pm
Mark it down now
Bay to Seattle
Holliday to Angels
Dero to the Cards.
TnBrian
December 14th, 2009
9:36 pm
Efrim, I know. People speak out of their buttholes sometimes. Of course Vazquez is that valuable.
Redstick19
December 14th, 2009
9:36 pm
Wow. Now we’re talking about trading Vazquez to a team that is on his no-trade list. This blog needs a serious dose of reality.
Brave4life
December 14th, 2009
9:37 pm
Braves 2010 lineup
McLouth, Nate CF
Prado, Nate 2B
Jones, Chipper 3B
Bay, Jason LF
McCann, Brian C
Rivera, Juan RF
Escobar, Yunel SS
Diaz, Matt 1B
rotation
Vazquez
Jurrjens
Hudson
Hanson
Kawakami
BP
Moylan
Saito
Wagner
============ PLAYOFFS
P'cola Brave
December 14th, 2009
9:38 pm
Efrim
If Javy had more than one year left then yes it would look to be a good deal on their part. But your talking about trading two players under team control that would start for one year of Vazquez. Now if Vazquez would extend it would be a different story.
Brian
December 14th, 2009
9:38 pm
Effrim, it’s not about Vazquez being worse than those two players. It’s about their contracts. Vazquez will be easily worth more than Rivera and and Wood next year. But what about the next four years?
nolie
December 14th, 2009
9:38 pm
But this is all assuming Javy accepts a deal to the Angels Maine
he isn’t accepting a deal to LA. He has the clause specially so he doesn’t have to play on that coast, and even demanded a trade away from Arizona which last time I looked was closer than LA.