12:15 pm December 9, 2009, by David O'Brien
December 13th, 20094:47 pm
P’cola Brave: I seriously doubt that the Angels will move Rivera. Bay will probably end up with the Mets and Holliday with the Sox. Lackey will probably resign with the Angels.
That simple, huh? You’re reading (and banking) a bit too much on the latest blogs/tweets.
If the Angels sign one of those big bats, Rivera will be dealt.
December 13th, 20094:49 pm
average is down away from coors but he has more HR away from coors P’Cola
yeah that’s true, but his OBP is 60 points lower and his slugging even with the homers is 100 points lower. his platoon splits are fairly even. in Atlanta he would probably be a 250/310/420 hitter. he would have to be cheap.
December 13th, 20094:50 pm
can anyone tell me why we would want Nick Swisher??
December 13th, 20094:54 pm
erik: Swisher has had 3 seasons out of the last 4 with an OPS over .836. If you’re not familiar with that stat, that’s VERY GOOD production.
The guy pounds the ball (slugging) while getting on base (walks a ton).
I’d really like to have the guy in our lineup.
18 Wheels of Love
December 13th, 20094:55 pm
Is ADD like OPP?
December 13th, 20094:56 pm
Heard that TommyP, that’s kind of my bad for not really looking into his stats before posting that comment.
Andrew in PA
juan rivera has only had 2 seasons of 20 plus home runs..why all the fuss about this guy?
December 13th, 20094:57 pm
OPS over .836. If you’re not familiar with that stat, that’s VERY GOOD production. TommyP
836 ain’t all That good for a corner OFer.or a first baseman as some have suggested. He’s not that high on my list but he’s ok
Random, it’s called the wave of emotions. The blog is to me about venting how you feel at that time. Besides, I know I’ve commenting in between those two posts that I think it would also be possible to get at least one hitter before they can trade Lowe/Vazquez. Oh Random, even I have to laugh at you sometimes… that was actually pretty good, I’ll give you that.
December 13th, 20094:58 pm
2nd in the AL in walks last year with 97, hence the .249BA, .357OBP, 498SLG, and .869OPS with 29 bombs and could play outfield and 1st.
December 13th, 20094:59 pm
I still think we need Laroche
December 13th, 20095:01 pm
I do agree with Nolie, though hate to say that as I do with his/her 4:57 post
December 13th, 20095:02 pm
gobraves – If no one has answered you yet, yes DirecTV does offer Peachtree games (or did last year). Channel 651.
LOL still on the Nolie he/she stuff…Nolie is a dude
December 13th, 20095:04 pm
Great he’s a dude nice to know so that being known to me now, I agree with HIS 4:57 post
December 13th, 20095:07 pm
Kind of cool that Chipper has a great shot to get to 500 career doubles this year and being the speed demon he is with those great legs 8 steal would get him 150 for the career
December 13th, 20095:08 pm
Rhett You are right. I have been pushing The Messenger for months here. Also really liked the Fantastic Mr. Fox
You know the old couple- the old man has a pitchfork in his hand and his wife is standing beside him? Well, nolie is the one on the right.
I wish I was good at linking stuff because I would link ya’ll a photo of Swisher with that fat dip in his mouth looking to the heavens when he’s at the plate. Just to refresh your memories of why this guy is the biggest douche in baseball. There’s no question that he would help the Braves, but the way a player carries himself should mean something to. He just doesn’t fit in with the Braves, to me anyways.
Jack……….you are correct that DirecTV offers Peachtree games. However not in HD, which sucks. FoxSportsSouth offers Braves games in HD, why cant cheap ASS PeachTree?
December 13th, 20095:10 pm
Who’s in the Messenger?
Agree Brian, he not Braves type.
December 13th, 20095:13 pm
ANY TIME NOW=NEW POST?
December 13th, 20095:14 pm
look at that goal line stand
Andrew in PA……….How many Super Bowls have the Eagles won?
Erik Woody Harrelson is great in the film. It’s about the guys who have to tell parents that their child was killed in war
December 13th, 20095:15 pm
Andrew in PA ………….or better yet, “Look at the fact that the Eagles have won ZERO Super Bowls”.
December 13th, 20095:17 pm
Erik – you asked about Swisher so here is my 2 cents. Swisher will give a team 25 hrs and 80 Rbi’s with a high OBP. Likewise, I’m fairly certain he is a switch hitter and would fit nicely behind Chipper. He can play OF and 1B (Braves 2 needs) which gives the team the flexibility to take a chance on a guy like Troy Glaus or Delgado (sign him by the way). If they were to get hurt Swisher could move from OF to 1st and insert Heyward/Diaz in the OF. I have no idea what kind of a person he is, but I’ve read he was very popular in Oakland and is with the Yanks.
December 13th, 20095:22 pm
It is kind of amazing that we would not want a good player because he has a dip in his mouth. I think a certain 3rd baseman has a dip in his mouth sometimes. How has that worked out?
THE BEAR Illegitimi non carborundum
If Swisher played up to his career stats and played 162 games next year his team should expect him to hit .245, 28 HR and drive in 89 runs. And strike out 142 times, killing a ton of rallies. Not bad but a lot of K’s.
December 13th, 20095:24 pm
Did you know?
The Messenger is distributed by Oscilloscope, which is Beastie Boy Adam Yauch’s (aka MCA) studio.
December 13th, 20095:25 pm
Woody Harrelson had two great films this year in Zombieland and The Messenger And how ’bout Sandra Bullock’s comeback? Two big grossers from her and even some talk of an Oscar nomination. She’s been out of the money loop for 5-6 years. Robsrt Downey’s Sherlock Holmes film is high on my want to see list.His career resurgence started with Kiss Kiss Bang Bang a few years ago and has reached epic proportions.
December 13th, 20095:26 pm
BTW, Swisher’s career OBP is .357, slugging is .460 and his OPS is .818
December 13th, 20095:28 pm
Eric (4:09) and C’s (4:19): Thank you. Thinking the same thing here. When it’s a week between blogs in the offseason, I can understand some impatience. But the Sunday-afternoon “gimme now” stuff from a couple of folks, at the end of a week with two new blogs and everything else — I ain’t feeling their pain.
December 13th, 20095:29 pm
December 13th, 2009
gobraves – If no one has answered you yet, yes DirecTV does offer Peachtree games (or did last year). Channel 651.
Thanks, just wanted to make sure, because I was thinking about switching to them, but probably not going to.
December 13th, 20095:30 pm
Nolie: What a year for Woody Harrelson, huh? And I’m looking forward to that Sherlock Holmes flick, too. Have you seen the Shutter Island trailor, for the new Scorcese movie? Looks over-the-top good.
How can we not sign KJ for the same amount or even a little less than Diaz?
And still can not believe that we could not do a better deal with Detroit or someone for
But still, I believe in the Wren/Cox leadership.
December 13th, 20095:33 pm
Anything with Scorcese and Dicaprio is money.
December 13th, 20095:34 pm
Fury…….good riddance to Kelly “AKA Greg Norton’s protege” Johnson.
December 13th, 20095:36 pm
Bear I don’t mind the Ks too awful much, but I have little use for 240 hitters no matter their OBP . I can understand Dunn cause he is very consistent with high homers and OBP, the rest of them are too inconsistent and/or their production is not high enough to make up for it IMO.I value consistency very highly, I want to think there is a very good chance of getting what I expect on a regular basis.
December 13th, 20095:37 pm
.836 OPS would have ranked 26th in all of NL last season, 16th among 1B and corner OF, so looks like a pretty good number.
December 13th, 20095:41 pm
836 OPS would have ranked 26th in all of NL last season, 16th among 1B and corner OF, so looks like a pretty good number.
I didn’t say it was terrible, just not all that special, and his career OPS is a bit lower than 836.and he is kinda inconsistent. I can tell that a lot of folks on here have never spent much time watching 240 hitters. Most all of them will frustrate the devil out of you much of the time
December 13th, 20095:43 pm
DoB – do you think the Angels might be willing to give up Rivera For Lowe if they are not able to re-sign Lackey? — justdoit
Angels brass would be crazy to do that.
Rivera hit .287 with 25 homers and an .810 OPS last seaason, and is signed to a very club-friendly contract for two more years ($4.25 mill in 2010, $5.25 mill in 2011), and you think they would trade him and take all or most of Lowe’s $45 million salary off the Braves’ hands?
Please. If they trade Rivera, they will surely get quality in return without having to take on what many view as a bad contract, given Lowe’s performance in 2009. Only if Braves ate a large part of the Lowe deal could I see the Angels consider that proposal.
I think some here are viewing the Lowe matter a bit unrealistically. They lacked leverage in the Soriano trade talks (and came away with a pretty good pitcher in Chavez, better than what many of us expected), and in the Lowe talks they’ve got the elephant in the room that hangs over everthing — the elephant being the three years at $45 mill.
If the Braves traded Vazquez, they might get a good hitter back in return (though with only one year left before he’s a free agent, it might not be the hitter some here expect).
But Lowe? The Braves would be trying to unload his contract, first and foremost. I’d be quite surprised — no, shocked — if they got a big-time prospect or affordable power hitter back in a trade from a team that’s also paying most or all of Lowe’s contract.
December 13th, 20095:48 pm
DOB,is it possible for the Braves to also give up a decent prospect with Lowe in order for a team to eat all of the salary?
December 13th, 20095:49 pm
Paul Lentz,why are you getting so defensive dude,i wasnt even talking to you,it was just a statement because barber is a beast of a back and they stuffed him..lay off the roids man
December 13th, 20095:50 pm
David O’Brien…………I’ve been saying what you posted in your 5:43pm posting for the past several days now. Yet some of these morons just cant see it.
I stated the other day, IF the Braves are able to trade Derek Lowe, they will probably have to eat at least $5 mil per season of his contract. If the Braves arent comfortable with eating that much of Lowe’s contract………then more than likely, Javier Vazquez will be the one traded.
However, the talk of the Braves being able to dump Lowe while eating less than $3 mil a year of his contract……is simply unrealistic.
December 13th, 20095:51 pm
The only way the Braves are likely to get a good hitter in exchange for Lowe is because the other team’s player is carrying a huge salary also and because he does not fit into their plans for some reason. I am thinking of someone like Milton Bradley. And I sure hope the Braves don’t want him and his $11 and $14 million salary the next two years. That would be a disaster of humongous proportions.
December 13th, 20095:53 pm
Andrew in PA: That would depend on who the prospect was, what the other team needed, what they were offering, etc. Too many variables to answer a blanket yes or no to that question. I mean, if the Braves threw in a top prospect, of course. But how good a prospect are they going to want to give up to move a contract? I’d think not a prospect they have in their own plans for the future.
December 13th, 20095:54 pm
I was thinking about Lowe for Milton Bradley. What do you think?
December 13th, 20095:56 pm
Lentz: I agree with you only to an extent. Due to the lack of quality free-agent pitchers available, I think it might be possible for the Braves to trade Lowe without eating a huge part of the deal — not $5 mill per year, as you suggest. But I agree with you that they can’t expect to both move most/all of his salary and get a quality player or prospect in return. Best they can hope for is to move the contract and get a little something back, in my opinion.
Lentz is more
December 13th, 20095:57 pm
yeah, Dentz was saying that the last couple of days… like no one else, DOB included, have been saying the same thing for weeks now…
it’s all about the Lentz….
Home of the Braves
Thank you for posting that, DOB. I’m getting a little tired of reading ridiculous Lowe for Rivera or Lowe for a team’s top prospect trade proposals. You really need to view these things from the other teams’ perspectives. It’s hard to imagine a team giving up a great OF or great prospect for our most expensive, 5th-best SP. Especially since there are probably only 5 or so teams that could possibly afford to pick up Lowe’s salary (NYY, NYM, Bos, LAA, CHC?, LAD?), so it’s not like there a lot of competition for his services.
December 13th, 20095:59 pm
thanks for the insight dave
December 13th, 20096:06 pm
THE BEAR Illegitimi non carborundum…………Almost the whole board shot me down when I proposed trading Lowe for Milton Bradley.
Milton Bradley has a $9 mil contract in 2010. 2011 is scheduled to make $12 mil. I’d rather see the Braves pay Bradley $21 mil over 2 seasons…..then pay Lowe $45 mil over the next 3.
December 13th, 20096:08 pm
“Recently non-tendered Ryan Langerhans indicated to Baker that his friend Adam LaRoche is being looked at by the Mariners. Yesterday, it was reported that LaRoche is seeking a three-year, $31.5MM deal. We’ve seen some rather surprising deals go down over the years, but does anyone see that as a realistic figure?”
December 13th, 20096:09 pm
The mariners are spending some serious coin.
Home of the Braves………ridiculous trade proposals are the norm here. I cant forget the common “Jo Jo Reyes, Kelly Johnson, and Jeff Francoeur” for either Adam Dunn, Adrian Gonzalez, or Jermaine Dye postings that filled the blogs last season.
December 13th, 20096:11 pm
I’ve heard great things about “The Messenger” as well, but haven’t had a chance to see it yet.
I saw “Fantastic Mr. Fox” the other night, and while I thought it was good, it’s probably been my least favorite Wes Anderson movie so far. That’s still saying a lot though, cause Wes Anderson is definitely one of my favorite directors, and I’m a big fan of each of his movies. It was a little harder for me to follow FMF, though, and the soundtrack, while also good, wasn’t as strong as the other ones. All of that being said, though, FMF is still a great movie.
My favorite movie from this year is still “The Hurt Locker.” Definitely looking forward to “Shutter Island” as well — I just hope that it doesn’t end that Leonardo diCaprio turns out to be the lost patient they’re looking for. I’m also intrigued by the previews for “The Lovely Bones,” and even though it was quickly pointed out to me that that’s based on a girls’ book, I’m still interested…
Paul Lentz- “Milton Bradley has a $9 mil contract in 2010. 2011 is scheduled to make $12 mil. I’d rather see the Braves pay Bradley $21 mil over 2 seasons…..then pay Lowe $45 mil over the next 3.”
IMO you are wrong in valuing Bradley’s contract over Lowe. It will be a lot easier and less expensive to ship Lowe off for us then for the Cubbies to ship Bradley off.
December 13th, 20096:12 pm
LaRoache would be wise to take that deal, even though his production will drop off hitting at Safeco…
There is a rumor that the braves might go After Delgado as a 1 year fill in until Freeman is ready…
Mark it down, Liberty Media will go Cheap and sign another washed up veteran…
December 13th, 20096:14 pm
“It’s hard to imagine a team giving up a great OF or great prospect for our most expensive, 5th-best SP.” Well when you have a 15 game winner and a pitcher with a pretty good track record. That “numbe 5″ for us looks like a number 2 (yes I know I said number 2 so the 14 years can have their laugh). But he really had 3 starts that blowed his ERA up so if you take them out his numbers are pretty great but if you give up 10 and lose is the same as you give up 1 and lose. But I think htis can go either way and hopefully we can get Juan Riveria or Nelson Cruz but I’d eat 3 mil to get that deal done
“ridiculous trade proposals are the norm here. I cant forget the common “Jo Jo Reyes, Kelly Johnson, and Jeff Francoeur” for either Adam Dunn, Adrian Gonzalez, or Jermaine Dye postings that filled the blogs last season”
Just like it was last offseason,”Dump the farm for Peavy”
December 13th, 20096:16 pm
Earlier in the game, my Cowboys couldnt score with 3 cracks from the 1 yard line.
However we had no problem with scoring a touchdown on a 99 yard drive.
New ballgame. 10-10.
December 13th, 20096:17 pm
laroche seeking a 3 yr, 31.5M dollar deal? wow
Dustin O in Oregon
December 13th, 20096:18 pm
DOB, Has there been a specific number put on the payroll that Wren is supposed to stay under? I was just wondering if it will go up at all from last year.
Since Liberty Media is going the Cheap route yet again, I’m Banking on the Braves trading KK to the Rangers for Nelson (Nellie) Cruz…
I could work with Cruz, Nate-Dawg, and Matty D in our OF next year, and Heyward gets called up in June and plays a platoon role
J-MAN…….Just because Derek Lowe won 15 games last year, does not mean that he had a good year. The Braves scored a lot of runs for him.
If judging solely by won-loss record……then Derek Lowe (15-10) had a better year than Jair Jurrjens (14-10).
December 13th, 20096:20 pm
Tomahawkin……….nice to see you agree with me with your 6:14pm posting.
I was against the Peavy proposed trade last year (especially since Yunel Escobar was rumored to be a part of that trade).
December 13th, 20096:21 pm
Tomahawkin……….I dont see the Rangers going for a Kawakami-Nelson Cruz deal.
December 13th, 20096:24 pm
Dustin in Oregon
The Braves have only about 10-12 mill this offseason to spend, so that means that L. Media has gone the cheap route yet again…
So I want us to trade for Nellie Cruz and go after Jermaine Dye, if and oly if we can get him for a 1 year 8-10 mill deal
December 13th, 20096:25 pm
$10.5m a year for a very good defensive 1st baseman that can hit you 25-30 HR’s isn’t that big of a WOW. Even I thought that at first seeing it, but I can definitely see him getting that.
On the Lowe for Rivera thing… I’d think that can happen if they threw in a few million on Lowe’s contract & gave up Schafer or another good prospect. I’d do it, only because Rivera is locked up pretty cheap & Schafer who isn’t necessarily blocked by Mclouth, but they have other options with Nate & Heyward.
December 13th, 20096:26 pm
Tomahawkin- In your first post you bash crazy trade talk and then you suggest trading KK for Cruz. I think you have been hitting the peace pipe to hard buddy. The Rangers value Nelson Cruz because of his low salary, amount of time in team control, and the fact that he is a producer. Oh yeah and the Braves arn’t trading KK aka the Japanese PR nightmare if traded.
The Rangers have been aggressive this offseason
And they Need starting pitching bad! especially with Millwood gone….
DOB agree 100% on Lowe. It will be a salary dump for a middling prospect if they are lucky and they may have to eat 2-3mm per year even then.
Yes Lowe will become more attractive once Lackey signs and Wolf’s aggressive contract will also set the tone for SPs with ?s but I still think Wren will high five his way around the office if he can dump Lowe and keep say 13mm/yr.
RE: Swisher he is not a world beater but he has some value. The problem is I have not heard the Yankees say anything to indicate they would even listen to offers.
Now if they over pay for Damon they might (given the arrival of Granderson) but I thinks its Melky who gets shopped not Swisher and I have zero interest in Melky.
I think we are all in sit and spin mode until Lowe moves which may not be until after New Years IMHO.
I think the only major name that moves before month end will be Bay with Beltre a close second (going to the Sox once Lowell is gone).
Lackey is going to milk the market and is Holliday.
December 13th, 20096:27 pm
just saw on comcast sportnite philly that there insider is saying he thinks the phillies will go really hard at halladay and they have all the pieces to get him..says ruben amaro jr has been plotting since 08 on how to get halladay to philly..also they would try to extend halladay and let lee walk at the end of the year and get 2 draft picks back that would ease the lost of players acquiring roy…you could almost right in the phillies for the division and probably world series next year if that goes down
December 13th, 20096:28 pm
You have any suggestions…?
I for one do not want Xavier Nady or Marlon Byrd…
December 13th, 20096:29 pm
now someone could edit that poorly written piece
I think the Yankees will keep Melky and shop Swisher or Gardner. For soem reason it seems like they love Melky.
December 13th, 20096:30 pm
TnBrian……….why would the Angels give up a pretty cheap, right handed power hitter (Juan Rivera) for an aging, expensive pitcher (Derek Lowe) and a center fielder who was over matched during this 2 month stint in the Majors last year……….all the while having to pay most of Derek Lowe’s contract?
How does that sound logical from the Angels perspective?
If you’re not happy about getting a guy with an .836 OPS, you’re definitely going to be disappointed this offseason. Swisher’s was .869 this past season.
He’s had an .836 or better 3 of the last 4 years is what I said. But if you’re not happy with that, you are sure to be unhappy this offseason.
December 13th, 20096:31 pm
hopefully ware is ok..hes a hell of a player but even a better person
“I was against the Peavy proposed trade last year (especially since Yunel Escobar was rumored to be a part of that trade).”
Agreed, People on this blog were wanting to trade Esco, Hanson, and others for Peavy this time last year….
December 13th, 20096:34 pm
Christmas Party at D.O.B.’s pad next weekend…
He will be playing Christmas Mariah, Boyz II Men, and Christmas Whitney Houston
I’m Suprised that D.O.B. has commented on how bad Christmas music has gotten….
December 13th, 20096:40 pm
was that before or after wagner, saito?
December 13th, 20096:43 pm
If I’m Not Mistking the Saito deal was a few days after Wagner…
Who do you think the braves will get to play Firstbase…?
Braves Fan in PA
December 13th, 20096:45 pm
Saw part of the Padres Rockies Game 163 playoff from a couple years back. Though Holliday got a big hit in the 13th and it may be coincidence his defense in big games certainly has to make one a bit nervous.
December 13th, 20096:47 pm
That’s right I knew The Messenger sounded familiar. Think I will check out Zombieland tonight on one of those great sites that posts movies for free. Thanks Nolie. I’ve seen the trailer for The Messenger looked great. Have to agree with DOB that Shutter Island looks great. As far as Sandra Bullock goes, just watched The Blind Side, pretty good movie in my opinion, I just wish there was a little more football action in it. Besides the practice sessions there is really only one “game scene.” But great story overall.
December 13th, 20096:50 pm
I for one don’t know why we signed Saito…I was banking on Meds to have a bigger role in out Bullpen next season, I like Med’s Poise…For someone his has he has exceptional poise…
And does anyone know who will take Boog’s place on FSN next year. I thought It was gonna be Chip Caray, but I’m putting my money on Don Sutton coming back to TV…
I don’t know why but a lot of Braves fans hate Sutton. I’m in the minority I love Sutton because of his wisdom…
December 13th, 20096:51 pm
When I say Med’s I was referring to Medlen
December 13th, 20096:52 pm
The only reason i ask is on Mark Bowman’s September blog, he wrote about how much the team has tied up in contracts. Just curious if that has changed since then.
Would’nt be suprised to see Nick Swisher at first next year. Too many OF’s in New York
December 13th, 20096:53 pm
looking forward to Sherlock Holmes, too. Rumored the Iron Man 2 trailer will premier with it as well. Downey JR is, in my opinion, one of the top 5 actors in the game right now. Though not widely viewed his portrial of Chaplin was great. Gay as it may be, I loved his work on Ally Mcbeal years ago.
December 13th, 20096:54 pm
I can tell that a lot of folks on here have never spent much time watching 240 hitters.
Dang, you think, LOL? I’m shocked. Utterly.
P-Lentz: I was against the Peavy proposed trade last year (especially since Yunel Escobar was rumored to be a part of that trade).” …Agreed, People on this blog were wanting to trade Esco, Hanson, and others for Peavy this time last year….
The marvelously enlightening experience of a conversation between Dentz and Tomahawkin’. Yowsah. Totally revisionist, completely uninformed, and yet right out there in public without even a hint of shame for its needle-in-the-red numbletarditude. Now there’s something that makes even a Monday look good, LOL.
December 13th, 20096:55 pm
chargers going to put it away… this is one good looking dallas defense… not
December 13th, 20096:56 pm
Don’t think it will be Don Sutton, he’s really not a great play by play guy. If I had to pick it would be between Chip and what’s his name that just started with Braves radio??? Crap…… Jim Powell, maybe. Don Sutton would only add an analysis guy the same as Joe. However, that being said, I always thought when TBS did all the games and they would always switch off between Skip,Joe,Pete, and Don that Joe was a pretty descent play by play guy.
If the Braves pick up Milton Bradley in ANY trade, they’re fools. He’s a cancer, and doesn’t help his teams.
December 13th, 20096:59 pm
Sutton does have great wisdom, how could you not being a 300 game winner? But he’s not a good play by play guy. To me he’s great at pitching analysis (and with that you would have to be pretty good at hitting analysis as well since they go hand in hand so to speak).
December 13th, 20097:03 pm
I don’t know about Milton Bradley, people said the same thing about Sheffield, maybe not to the degree as Bradley…..but Sheffield was also thought to be a “cancer.” But according to all reports he was a model clubhouse guy and player. I really think the manager of a team creates the mood so to speak. Do I think Cox could control Bradley, don’t know honestly. But Cox is, and this is the one thing I have always liked about him and maybe the only thing, he’s a players manager. Every pitch, every at-bat he is always there for the player. Reminds me of little league when your coach was there for you….nice swing kid…even though you missed the ball by 10 feet.
December 13th, 20097:05 pm
December 13th, 20097:08 pm
Yay, Cowboys are going to lose. I love it.
not only does it make me happy to see the cowboys lose, but to know it is Dentz favorite team just makes it all the more sweeter…
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