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nolie
December 12th, 2009
10:29 pm
All those players are already on the 40 man roster: JJ
I thought I saw Gorecki mentioned. He isn’t on it anymore is he?
Andrew in PA
December 12th, 2009
10:29 pm
Mets too sign Bay Monday
THE BEAR Illegitimi non carborundum
December 12th, 2009
10:30 pm
Jurrjens, does this mean you are going to stop posting here as you proposed? That will be interesting.
NotAgain
December 12th, 2009
10:33 pm
As I read this it means that when a player is called up to a spot on the 25 man roster he starts collecting the minimum with his first day and if he is sent back to the minors he is paid at the minor league rate BEAR
good research
. there ain’t many minor league being paid 400,000 dollars. DOB could find out for certain.
Jurrjens4NLCY
December 12th, 2009
10:33 pm
As I read this it means that when a player is called up to a spot on the 25 man roster he starts collecting the minimum with his first day and if he is sent back to the minors he is paid at the minor league rate.
Where does it say that?
THE BEAR Illegitimi non carborundum
December 12th, 2009
10:37 pm
Jurrjens, you are on the verge of making a fool of yourself. Be careful as it is clearly stated the player is paid from the first day he is with the major league club. You cannot find anything in there that supports your position.
stynes
December 12th, 2009
10:37 pm
I think it also depends on whether or not they have major league contracts or minor league contracts. If it’s a big league deal then the money is guaranteed. Player options allow them to be sent down to AAA or whatever and still earn the MLB salary. If it’s a minor league deal and the player is called up to the big league club then they’re paid the big league minimum for the period of service (as referenced by THE BEAR’s article above). If they’re sent back down though then they revert back to the minor league deal and are back on minor league terms.
Gone Viral
December 12th, 2009
10:38 pm
“He is 20-30 at Buffalo over 4 years. Am I missing something?”
Yes, the fact that they’d won 5 games the previous 4 years.
THE BEAR Illegitimi non carborundum
December 12th, 2009
10:40 pm
Jurrjens,
“(1) The minimum rate of payment to a Player for each day of service on a Major League Club shall be as follows:
2010—at the rate per season of $400,000″
—————-
This clearly states “for each day of service on a Major League Club”
You can’t misinterpret those words unless you are one of those “ditch diggers” I talked about the other day. Are you a ditch digger or a hod carrier?
Jurrjens4NLCY
December 12th, 2009
10:41 pm
The Bear:
First off, I’ve never considered myself a wise man, closer to a fool, but this I know I’m right
For all Players (a) signing a second Major League contract
(not covering the same season as any such Player’s initial Major
League contract) or a subsequent Major League contract, or (b) having
at least one day of Major League service, the minimum salary
shall be as follows:
(i) for Major League service—at a rate not less than the Major
League minimum salary;
Here is where I’m right. If you have Major League service, you’ll make at a minimum 400,000.
Steve from OH
December 12th, 2009
10:41 pm
Huh, I was surprised we weren’t able to get anything for Kelly. Too bad, because I think he’ll do well for someone next year. Oh well, I’m not surprised, and we’ve got bigger fish to fry so best of luck to Kelly wherever he goes. The official Kelly Johnson Fan Club will take note of his deeds.
Gorecki proved to be a competent fielder in the outfield and demonstrated why he is a 4A hitter. He worked his entire career to have a shot to play in a few MLB games for the Braves. He was serviceable and we apprecitated his efforts and contributions.
Mmmhmm. I never understood why people can’t be happy for guys like Gorecki, who finally get their shot in the bigs after all that time wallowing in AAA. Some folks just need to chill out a little, I guess.
THE BEAR Illegitimi non carborundum
December 12th, 2009
10:44 pm
Stynes, they DO NOT collect minimums unless they are on the 25 man roster. The rest of that (about contracts) spells out the minimums guaranteed to minor leaguers. Read it carefully and you will see that clearly spelled out.
jed
December 12th, 2009
10:44 pm
glaus in 2008: 27hr/ 99rbi/.270/.372/.483 (age 33)
delgado in 2008: 38 /115rbi / .271/.353/.518 (age 37)
nady in 2008: 25/ 97rbi / .305 /.357/.510 (age 31)
okay, here are my top 3 choices for LF and 1b. sign 2 of these guys and you’ve got a solid offensive lineup. i’m figuring nady goes for around 1 year at 5 mil. delgado & glaus around 1 year at 7 mil. (somewhere in that range. point being you can sign two of them for the price of one bay or holliday.) yes, all are coming off of injuries, so there’s some risk involved, but is the risk worth the potential payoff? i think it’s a reasonable wager, especially when our other options are guys like cameron and dye. i’d probably bet on glaus for 1b and nady for LF, but want to hear yall’s thoughts on the matter.
i’ll bet we sign one of these guys (nady?) and trade for the remaining spot. i really like the comeback potential of glaus though, and i think he could move to 1b fairly easily. am i wrong to think he could be signed for 7 mil? will he get substantially more?
Brandon from Warner Robins
December 12th, 2009
10:45 pm
Northside lost to Camden County. Great Season for the Eagles.
nolie
December 12th, 2009
10:45 pm
For anybody interested, this gut is telling the truth.
Testimony of a Minor League Player Before a Congressional Committee
The following statement was given before the Senate Judiciary Committee on June 17, 1997, at a hearing to discuss proposed legislation to apply the antitrust laws to major league baseball. Mr. Peltier is a former professional baseball player who played in both the minor and major leagues. His statement is interesting for the insights it gives into the life of a minor league player.
STATEMENT OF DAN PELTIER
Mr. PELTIER. Mr. Chairman, members of the committee, my name is Dan Peltier. I had the opportunity and the pleasure to play professional baseball at all possible levels for 8 years. I played rookie ball with the Butte Copper Kings in the Pioneer League, double A with the Tulsa Drillers, triple A level with the Oklahoma City 89ers and the Phoenix Fire Birds, and I also played with the Texas Rangers and the San Francisco Giants at the major league level. I also had the opportunity to play in the independent Northern League with the St. Paul Saints. I greatly appreciate this opportunity to talk about my experiences and about the realities of baseball in the minors from the players’ perspective.
Before beginning, I would like to point out that I recognize that I am one of the lucky ones. Unlike most professional players, I got the chance to play in the majors. Currently, there are approximately 4,500 active minor league players on affiliated minor league teams. Every year, the major league teams draft more than 1,200 new players, more than 1,600 players this year in 1997. So the turnover rate is very high.
– p.14 –
As I understand it, only 1 out of every 10 players drafted even gets 1 day in the major leagues. Only 1 out of every 100 actually has a career in the majors. Moreover, when I retired, I had my college degree, a degree in accounting from the University of Notre Dame. Many players are out of the game by their mid- to late 20’s, with a high school degree, a wife, children, and no marketable skills.
There are a lot of myths about playing in the minors. People think that it is the last bastion of professional sports where winning is all that matters, that economics are not as important as talent and the fun of the game. In reality, minor league baseball is a tough business where failure is the norm and success is the rare exception. Here are some basic facts.
First, the primary objective of every player in the minors is not to have a winning season, to have the best team, or to be the league champion. It is to play well enough to get off the team and play in the major leagues. It is better to have a good season for a losing team than to have average statistics for a winner. Rosters are constantly changing and there is little chance to build team chemistry or unity. Everyone in the minors – players, coaches, and managers-have one thing in common; that is, to be in the big leagues.
Second, no one gets wealthy in the minors. Most baseball players do not make in a year as much as Cal Ripken makes for one game. In fact, most minor league players would love to make what I understand you pay your entry-level staffers. When I played rookie ball, although I was under contract for a year, I made $850 a month for 21/2 months. In double A, I made $1,350 a month, and in triple A I made $1,850 a month for 5 months. Clubhouse dues and tips cost roughly $1,500 for the season, leaving me about $7,500 before taxes. I have no idea how some of my friends who were married and had kids were able to make ends meet
Third, a minor league baseball players has very few rights. Baseball’s reserve clause is very much like the indentured servitude of the 1700’s. When you first sign, you are owned by that team for basically 7 seasons. A team can buy you, sell you, send you to another country, or fire you whenever they want. They can cut you if you get hurt.
A player, on the other hand, cannot try to play for someone else. He can’t try out for his home team. You have to play for the team that drafted you even if they are loaded at your position. I got drafted by the Texas Rangers after my junior year of college as an outfielder. I also played some first base. When I was ready for the majors, the Texas outfield included superstars such as Juan Gonzalez in left, Ruben Sierra in right, and Raphael Palmeiro at first. I got the chance to play when Ruben Sierra got hurt, but was sent back to the minors when he came back, even though at the time I was hitting .385.
Under the standard minor league contract, a player is required to waive all rights to appeal any action by the team in State or Federal court. You can appeal to the commissioner of baseball, except there has been no commissioner for almost 5 years. In addition, you are pushed to leave college or not to attend in the first
– p.15 –
place and play in the minors, even though the chances are that you will never have a career in the major leagues.
Oddly, if you are an American citizen, you have less bargaining power than kids from other countries. Players in the United States can only play for the team that drafts them. The only bargaining power that some have is to stay in college. Players from other countries, such as the Dominican Republic or Cuba, are not subject to the draft. They are free agents and can choose to play for the team that makes the best offer. Because of this fact, teams from the United States and Japan are signing players from Latin and South American countries at an increasingly young age.
Perhaps most important, there is the mindset of the minors which at best is a bit unrealistic. The longer you stay in, the fewer options you have and more desperate you seem to get. You know you are playing against a stacked deck, but in your heart you firmly believe you are different, that you are going to be the exception. One’s perspective of reality at 18 tends to be a little different than one’s perspective at 28 or 38.
Moreover, there is an incredible pressure to perform. You are al ways a day from being let go and there are hundreds of other guys ready to take your place if you have a problem. At times, the minors seem to be a series of acts of desperation.
Given these facts, I think you can understand my surprise that some want to stack the deck even further and create a new Federal law exempting the owners’ actions in the minors from the antitrust laws. Quite frankly, what else do the owners need than what they have already? What are the laws they must be able to break in order to run minor league teams? How much more power do they need when bargaining with an 18-year-old kid whom they own for 7 years, and what minor league player is going to jeopardize his career by challenging the system? If you believe a player would do that, then you really don’t understand the mindset of a minor league player.
Having played in an independent league, there are even some differences between these two types of minor leagues. The Northern League was very similar to double A ball in terms of pay and playing conditions, but there is a different atmosphere between the team and the fans. The primary purpose of the St. Paul Saints, which is the team that I played for, was to entertain the fans, and that commitment by the team was mirrored by the commitment from the community. Every game was a sellout. People came hours ahead of the game for tailgate parties even though there was a major league team literally only 10 miles away. The games were more fun.
Despite these observations, I would not give up my experience in playing baseball for anything. There is no greater feeling in the world than the first time you get called up to the majors, and there is also no greater low than the day that you get sent back down. Knowing what I know, I would still do it all over again. The basic fact is that you don’t have to sign if you don’t want to. However, this obsession with making the majors should not be a justification for the current treatment of minor league players, and I certainly hope it would not be used as an excuse to give major league and minor league owners a legal blank check.
African Safari
December 12th, 2009
10:45 pm
Gone Viral -
If going 20-30 over a 4 year period of time in the MAC warrants a promotion, then the bar is not set very high. How the team performed prior to his arrival is irrelevant. He went 20-30…in the MAC…including going backwards this year by going 5-7 after going a career best 8-6 in his third year
O.J.
December 12th, 2009
10:46 pm
Really Nolie??? Was there a need to post something that big?
THE BEAR Illegitimi non carborundum
December 12th, 2009
10:47 pm
Jurrjens, I have never found it possible or fruitful to debate with those who cannot understand logic or the written word.
So I leave you to stew in your ill timed promise to depart from this blog. Quite obviously you are unable to understand facts. You can only see what you want to see. And when you are wrong you have no clue about how to admit it.
Jurrjens4NLCY
December 12th, 2009
10:48 pm
Bear,
Connor Robertson of the Mets, brought up in 2008, paid 400,000. In 2009, went to AA and AAA, made 400,000. Either they broke the player union agreement, or you are wrong. Guess what my money is on.
Jurrjens4NLCY
December 12th, 2009
10:49 pm
It clearly says for Major League service, the minimum you get paid is 400,000
jed
December 12th, 2009
10:51 pm
yeah …wow…how bout the readers digest version next time?
and jurrjens: i’m pretty sure it’s–as bear says and i was saying before–a prorated salary. check my post on the last page.
now, any feedback on my 10:44 post?
Braves Lifer
December 12th, 2009
10:54 pm
Jurrjens4NLCY- I agree with Jed. It’s like you know you are wrong but you won’t stop arguing your point. Just give up.
Jim
December 12th, 2009
10:55 pm
Gomes was non-tendered because he’s a head case/Milton Bradley’s little brother. That overcame his stats.
Changing subject, David Wright hit 1 HR every 60 ABs in ‘09, and 1 in 20 in ‘08. Does anyone really think J. Bay wants to play in that park? Or, if he does, we shall just have to assume he’s in deal for $$$ regardless of his stats. Mets have a owner who Bernie M took to cleaners; a GM who cannot discern between young talent and old washed up talent and a ballpark ill-suited for their team – and, surprisingly in a big ball park, no pitching either.
nolie
December 12th, 2009
10:55 pm
Really Nolie??? Was there a need to post something that big OJ
what has the size got to do with it? If you aren’t interested don’t read it. I know for a fact that there are readers here who are not put off because of length. If you are, just skip past, it isn’t THAT much effort
Steve from OH
December 12th, 2009
10:55 pm
jed–I figure Nady will be a Brave in 2010 (not a prediction, just a gut feeling, guys…), and I do like Delgado as well. I dunno, as long as we don’t sign Marlon Byrd I’m ok with things. Most of those pieces seem pretty interchangeable to me, but then again, I’ve not been following this offseason closely at all, so take it for what it’s worth.
jed
December 12th, 2009
10:56 pm
from answers.com:
Do minor league baseball players get paid mlb league minimum when called up?
“Yes…sort of. The players get the pro-rated amount. For instance, if a player is calle dup for 10 games, the league minimum is divided by the 162 games, and the player would get 10x the single game amount.”
Jurrjens4NLCY
December 12th, 2009
10:57 pm
I guess we’ll all have to agree to disgree, I’m 95% certain I’m right.
But lets move on, goodnight “y’all”
Jurrjens4NLCY
December 12th, 2009
10:58 pm
jed,
The pro rated amount was what was in question, it’s whether or not they make 400,000 next year.
Brandon from Warner Robins
December 12th, 2009
10:58 pm
Nolie,
Thats an interesting post, thanks for sharing. Where’d you find it? I’d like to read further if there is more.
Jurrjens4NLCY
December 12th, 2009
10:58 pm
I mean wasn’t
Cherokee
December 12th, 2009
11:00 pm
I can’t believe the bloggers on here who complain if a post is long. What difference does it make? It took me all of a couple of minutes to read and I learned some things about how minor league players live and think. ADD has truly taken over the world. I can understand if you are too busy or too lazy to read it, but why post a negative comment. It isn’t like the blog self destructs anymore. Some folks just live to bytch I guess
jed
December 12th, 2009
11:01 pm
thanks steve. i agree on nady, and am hopeful it happens. i think he’ll sign for around 1 year, around 5 mil. not sure how much glaus will get, so if anyone has any idea on him, i’m all ears. i may rather have glaus than delgado, as delgado seems riskier, coming back from hip surgery as opposed to shoulder surgery. plus he’s several years older.
Soph
December 12th, 2009
11:02 pm
nolie – thanks for posting. It’s interesting to read about how the minors are. It’s definitely not all fun and games. Especially from a financial perspective.
Cherokee
December 12th, 2009
11:02 pm
I guess we’ll all have to agree to disgree, I’m 95% certain I’m righ JJ
and I’m 85% sure you are wrong. so I guess you win the sureness contest
Andrew in PA
December 12th, 2009
11:03 pm
garrett atkins was good for 3 or 4 years before last..some team could get a steal
Steve from OH
December 12th, 2009
11:04 pm
Interesting read, nolie.
Cherokee–I agree, but the ADD comment was very Lentzian…
jed
December 12th, 2009
11:04 pm
jurrjens–no, man, i really dont think they immediately make 400, 000 the next year. unless they’re on the 40 man roster the next year and start the season in the majors. after that, i’m not sure. but, say, gorecki next year? if he’s not on the 40 man roster and starts the season in AAA, no i dont think the braves will have to pay him 400, 000. pretty sure of that.
Cherokee
December 12th, 2009
11:05 pm
http://www.diamondfans.com/minors-peltier.html Brandon
Jurrjens4NLCY
December 12th, 2009
11:05 pm
jed,
Read my 10:48 please
Brandon from Warner Robins
December 12th, 2009
11:08 pm
Cherokee,
Thanks for the link.
Cherokee
December 12th, 2009
11:10 pm
I read some more at that site on other topics. Good site even if I did have to copy and paste a bit of it to get the address. I know you usually include a link, don’t forget next time or it really will be too much for some folks.
Maybe so Steve , but it irritated me that someone went to the trouble to share and got a couple of snarky remarks for his trouble.
Gone Viral
December 12th, 2009
11:14 pm
“How the team performed prior to his arrival is irrelevant.”
Ask any program in the country that just won 2 games or less if they would be ecstatic to be an 8 win program three years from now. The answer is obvious.
Steve from OH
December 12th, 2009
11:15 pm
Cherokee–I agree, it wasn’t necessary. I probably shouldn’t have said anything to begin with anyway, as I enjoy your stuff, as opposed to, well, you know…
Jurrjens4NLCY
December 12th, 2009
11:18 pm
Ok, here’s my final statement, It looks like if you are on a minor league deal, you get a minor league salary. However, they’re are special instances where players make 400,000 all there life, I don’t know why. So there is no right or wrong answer. I guess It’s a good thing Lentz didn’t take that bet. However I would’ve used those special instances to prove him wrong.
You live, you learn.
jed
December 12th, 2009
11:21 pm
i read it. all i can tell you is i dont think it works that way. i have no idea what the exact situation was with connor robertson, but, as an example, reid gorecki will go back to minor league pay next year (assuming he doesnt make the major league team, of course.) and no offense, but this isnt a terribly pressing issue for me. i’d much rather talk about the pros & cons of NADY, DELGADO AND GLAUS.
African Safari
December 12th, 2009
11:21 pm
Gone Viral -
Sure…Gill improved Buffalo….but improving a MAC team a 20-30 4-yr record doesn’t mean he is a good candidate for a higher profile school.
African Safari
December 12th, 2009
11:24 pm
I should say that Gill might do well…hope he does (though I don’t really care about KU football in the least…a UK fan here), but I just don’t think a 20-30 record for a MAC team is a resume that warrants consideration for my football program.
Gone Viral
December 12th, 2009
11:25 pm
“record doesn’t mean he is a good candidate for a higher profile school”
One of the crucial candidates for any job promotion is performance on the current job. His resume glows in the dark with his ability to take a team that won an average of 1.25 games a year before him to 5 a year with him. It’s like Cutcliffe winning some at Duke. Degree of difficulty is a factor.
nolie
December 12th, 2009
11:25 pm
However, they’re are special instances where players make 400,000 all there life, I don’t know why. JJ
I know that some veterans are signed to major league contracts that include time in the minors, perhaps for rehab.That would be one special circumstance But for the most part if you come up you get prorated MLB pay, one of the reasons that we are seeing fewer September callups the last few years as minimum MLB has gotten so high.
Jurrjens4NLCY
December 12th, 2009
11:27 pm
jed,
Delgado? Ew. No thank you. He’d want a lot a money (rightfully) and Braves are already committed to some risky contracts. I like Glaus, he stands to make the biggest improvement, but his situation, to me, is like catch 22. and I like Nady, a lot. Good GOOD option.
Jurrjens4NLCY
December 12th, 2009
11:28 pm
nolie,
I’m not taking about minor league assignments
nolie
December 12th, 2009
11:30 pm
One of the crucial candidates for any job promotion is performance on the current job. His resume glows in the dark with his ability to take a team that won an average of 1.25 games a year before him to 5 a year with him. It’s like Cutcliffe winning some at Duke. Degree of difficulty is a factor. GV
I agree, the MAC used to be well known as a breeding ground for major level coaches, as did other small conferences. I think Bowden and Bryant both started in one or another too. I don’t follow football much anymore so I’m not sure how common that still is,
reason
December 12th, 2009
11:31 pm
I say the braves will fill the outfield with Heyward, Schafer, Daiz, McClouth, and maybe a very affordable free agent.
Meaning most of the money they free up with the upcoming lowe trade can be used for 1st base, which we have no internal options. I say we give a 1st baseman 7 – 10 mil next season. Roachy or an upgrade from him.
We’ll see
nolie
December 12th, 2009
11:32 pm
I’m not taking about minor league assignments JJ
ok I guess my meds are screwing with me big time tonight. I thought you were saying that guys who were up and reassigned to the minors-is that not what that list was all about?_will continue to receive MLB pay when they are re-assigned to the minors???Help
brent a.
December 12th, 2009
11:33 pm
Is it really necessary to post a question asking someone if it was really necessary to post something?
African Safari
December 12th, 2009
11:34 pm
Gone Viral -
Are you suggesting that the MAC competition is so tough that Buffalo going 20-30 is as good as they’ll ever do in that conference? If so, then I would agree that Gill did a superb job. (That would be like saying that Vanderbilt went 20-30 in the SEC…which actually would be a good coaching job.) I just have a hard time believin that statement to be true… The MAC is not dominated by a team or two the way the SEC/Big 12 usually is, so, it is possible for Buffalo to eventually win the MAC, unlike the possibility of Vandy winning the SEC. So, based on that premise, I just don’t get what the hub ub for this Gill fella is all about.
brent a.
December 12th, 2009
11:35 pm
John Wall > Turner Gill
African Safari
December 12th, 2009
11:37 pm
Yes, Buffalo won last year….8-6…which further proves my point that the MAC competition is not so tough that anyone could win the conference and any time. Also, he regressed this year and went 5-7
African Safari
December 12th, 2009
11:37 pm
brent a. -
Funny. True. But still funny.
Brandon from Warner Robins
December 12th, 2009
11:39 pm
John Wall is a star in the making. he should have went to Duke.
Jurrjens4NLCY
December 12th, 2009
11:39 pm
Is it really necessary to post a question asking someone if it was really necessary to post something?
Was that necessary? This is necessary?
Is Taylor Lautner hosting SNL necessary??
jed
December 12th, 2009
11:39 pm
god i’m getting old. i have no idea who this adolescent goober is hosting SNL. sure looks out of his league.
jed
December 12th, 2009
11:41 pm
ha ha! apparently, me & jurrjens need to get out more!
Soph
December 12th, 2009
11:41 pm
John Wall is a star in the making. he should have went to Duke.
Or UNC. He’s probably one and done though. Not that I would blame him for jumping to the NBA. He probably would’ve went straight from high school if he could’ve.
African Safari
December 12th, 2009
11:42 pm
Brandon from Warner Robins -
Calipari hs shown a propensity to maximizing a point guard’s potential three years in a row now. Coack K, while a very good coach, doesn’t quite have the system that attracts such a player… wouldn’t be surprised if Calipari continues to get the players of the Wall/Rose ilk for the foreseeable future.
jed
December 12th, 2009
11:42 pm
and to paraphrase falcon heene: who the hell is taylor lautner?
Jurrjens4NLCY
December 12th, 2009
11:42 pm
This is what passes for comedy? Funny faces?
Brandon from Warner Robins
December 12th, 2009
11:43 pm
I still get a kick outta seeing the old episodes of SNL with Chris Farley and company. Nowadays, it just isnt the same.
Jurrjens4NLCY
December 12th, 2009
11:43 pm
jed,
Lol, I know who he is. I’m a lot younger than you think…
I just don’t like him, he’s a talentless pretty boy.
brent a.
December 12th, 2009
11:44 pm
UK > Duke
jed
December 12th, 2009
11:44 pm
it’s all demographics; talent doesnt even enter into the picture anymore. hope they got their 14 to 20 year olds b/c they lost me.
brent a.
December 12th, 2009
11:46 pm
UNC didn’t offer John Wall. Roy said he wasn’t a “good fit” for the program.
That’s just Roy spinning the story so he wouldn’t be embarrassed when Wall turned him down for UK.
I honestly don’t see how a point guard of his talent level could be a bad fit for any program.
Jurrjens4NLCY
December 12th, 2009
11:46 pm
I hate modern pop culture!!
The only good thing is Nickelback, Jim Gaffigan and the Daily Show
Steve from OH
December 12th, 2009
11:47 pm
Nickelback? Ugh. Ugh. Ugh.
Ugh.
Gone Viral
December 12th, 2009
11:47 pm
“So, based on that premise, I just don’t get what the hub ub for this Gill fella is all about.”
The hub bub is that he took a joke of a program, the dregs of its level of play and immediately raised their level to mid-tier in the conference. Presumably, he’ll have better resources and a more passionate series of boosters/fans at a larger program. Why would we assume he’d be anything but better situated to excel in such a scenario based on what he has accomplished at a disastrous program?
Brandon from Warner Robins
December 12th, 2009
11:47 pm
Africa Safari,
John Wall is a one-and-done. Coach K doesn’t really go after those types of players. Duke targets players who commit to the program and overtime develop into NBA talent. See Boozer, Battier, Hill, Laettener.
Still, Duke has put through the likes of Redick, Brand, Maggette, Deng, and Duhon.
jed
December 12th, 2009
11:47 pm
is nolie still around? if so, do you like the idea of signing one or two of the following: nady, glaus, or delgado? if so, which one(s)?
African Safari
December 12th, 2009
11:49 pm
Gone Viral -
OK… KU can have him.
Jurrjens4NLCY
December 12th, 2009
11:50 pm
Steve from OH,
What’s wrong with Nickelback?
Haha
I love Kristen Wiig!
P'cola Brave
December 12th, 2009
11:50 pm
Any more news on what hitters the braves are looking for?
Soph
December 12th, 2009
11:51 pm
brent – I don’t see UNC going after recruits who are known to probably jump to the NBA after one year. In the past four years, I think only one Tarheel has declared after their freshmen year.
You’re right though – Callipari (sp) has a knack for attracting and successfully recruiting superb point guards. Wall is reallllly good.
brian
December 12th, 2009
11:51 pm
Roy did not offer Wall and Wall used that as motivation for their game earlier. Wall was probably not going to UNC anyway. He is a one and done player and there were questions about Wall’s attitude in high school and some questionable activity with an agent (that led to his 2 game suspension). Wall would not have been a good fit at UNC with the players that were coming back. That being said Wall is an incredible player and fun to watch. He made a great decision on his college because he is perfect for Calliperi’s system and vice versa
brent a.
December 12th, 2009
11:51 pm
Does Coach K not go after those “types” of players; or, did those “types” of players quit going after Duke after K ticked off the likes of Brand and Maggette?
African Safari
December 12th, 2009
11:51 pm
brent a. -
Good call. One and done or not… Any coach would like to have John Wall, Rose, etc. that Calipari has been getting in recent years.
brian
December 12th, 2009
11:52 pm
DOB – can you put an end to the pay debate that has dominated the last page or two of the blog please?
Steve from OH
December 12th, 2009
11:53 pm
Uh, bad musicianship compounded with bad songwriting? I mean, I can deal with bad songwriting if the band can really rip, but those guys? Hell, give me Don Dokken and George Lynch any day over them. At least Lynch can tear it up…
brent a.
December 12th, 2009
11:55 pm
“some questionable activity with an agent (that led to his 2 game suspension)”
the “agent” was his AAU coach. his AAU coach was an aspiring agent, and that was about it.
I wouldn’t be surprised, at all, if Wall didn’t even know that his coach was registered as an agent.
it’s a tricky world. I have serious doubts that the agent issue was really an issue at all in Wall’s recruitment.
It really was no big deal.
All he had to do was pay back some money and sit out a single regular season game (+ the 1 exhibition game he sat out).
Jurrjens4NLCY
December 12th, 2009
11:55 pm
Have you ever seen Nickelback live?
No?
Then you haven’t seen Nickelback….
Pssshhhhhhtt!!
ease19
December 12th, 2009
11:56 pm
Jurrjens4NLCY December 12th, 2009 10:41 pm
The Bear:
First off, I’ve never considered myself a wise man, closer to a fool, but this I know I’m right
Yes, you are not yet a man and so respect your elders…The Bear, nolie, nscoots….etc know what they are talking about…
And welcome back Steve from OH!
nolie
December 12th, 2009
11:57 pm
the problem is that all the players whose names we are kicking around have question marks about them. Some will likely do ok next year and some won’t, and there is no way to know which is which.
My approach is to try to take as much guesswork out of it as possible. I’m looking for overall consistance over the last 4-5 years. So right now Im looking at Cameron as the most consistant for the most part.
Some other guy guy may have a better year than he will, but I’m not looking at the single best possible year among guys like Jacobs for instance who bob all over the place. He might indeed have one of those lucky years but the odds are better that Cameron will produce to what we expect.
Then I just go down the list with those same points in mind. I make up my foolproof list of desirables…and then I pray to the baseball gods a lot.
Steve from OH
December 12th, 2009
11:57 pm
I’d rather go back to school and study for another 10 hours straight than listen to an hour’s worth of Nickelback songs, live or otherwise, JJ4NLCY…
Brandon from Warner Robins
December 12th, 2009
11:57 pm
whos better Kansas’ Xavier Henry or Kentucky’s John Wall? This is an honest question. If you go by stats it would be a dead heat.
African Safari
December 12th, 2009
11:58 pm
JurrjensNLCY -
I just recently decided to watch Nickelback perform at Sturgeous on Netflix… decent tunes…great crowd….the women were hot and eager to show their appreciation to the band, if you know what I mean
nolie
December 12th, 2009
11:58 pm
Nickelback? Ugh. Ugh. Ugh. Steve
yeah I went to one of their concerts once. I made them give me a dollarback for wasting my time
Jurrjens4NLCY
December 12th, 2009
11:58 pm
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaater!
Steve from OH
December 12th, 2009
11:59 pm
In fact, I’d rather get beaten around the head and neck with a hockey stick for two hours than go to a two-hour Nickelback concert.
African Safari
December 13th, 2009
12:00 am
Brandon for Warner Robins -
John Wall and virtually the entire UK team is freshmen or sophmores…KU has a lot of upper-classmen. Plus, KU hasn’t played anyone of note yet…I would give the edge to Wall for those two reasons so far. Henry….he’s pretty good though….also a one and done guy.
brent a.
December 13th, 2009
12:01 am
I’ll know more about Henry after conference play begins (and football ends).
Until then, I can’t really opine.
All I know is that Wall is amazing, has been the difference in multiple games in UK’s 10-0 start, and most analysts project him to be the #1 pick in the draft, with many saying that he would’ve been #1 in last year’s draft had he been eligible.
Steve from OH
December 13th, 2009
12:01 am
ease19–Thanks! I wasn’ gone that long, was I? I haven’t been able to read very many posts at all lately, though. I’ll probably be incommunicado for a while longer after tonight, too…
Jurrjens4NLCY
December 13th, 2009
12:02 am
In fact, I’d rather get beaten around the head and neck with a hockey stick for two hours than go to a two-hour Nickelback concert.