12:15 pm December 9, 2009, by David O'Brien
Andrew in PA
December 12th, 20098:55 pm
i know tebow didnt vote for mccoy
December 12th, 20098:57 pm
what is this rod tidwell here
December 12th, 20098:58 pm
I’m so happy he won. What a great kid! He deserved it! And congrats to the Alabama fans too!
Not really surprised about the winner…. figured it would be him or Colt.
December 12th, 20099:00 pm
wow gerhart was second
Ingram deserved it. Good choice. I’m a big Bama fan.
I think Paul Lentz says BS than anyone on the blog. Here, he has three different numbers for what it will cost the Braves to trade Derek Lowe, the comes back today and says “the Braves can dump Lowe without eating much of his contract”.
December 10th, 2009
monty………your vision of the Braves having to eat $2-3 mil per year of Lowe’s contract is VERY OPTIMISTIC.
If the Braves dont trade Lowe for Bradley….then they will have to eat $6-7 mil PER SEASON of Lowe’s contract if they make a trade with another team. Bank on it.
Here he claims it will be $6 or $7 million a year
December 10th, 2009
The Brewers are not going to trade Corey Hart for Lowe, nor is Tampa going to trade Pat Burrell for Lowe…….unless the Braves are willing to eat $25 mil of Lowe’s contract.
Here the Braves have to eat $8.33 million a year
December 10th, 2009
Even if the Angels lose John Lackey, I just dont see them trading “a bag of balls” for Derek Lowe……..without the Braves eating at least $6 mil a year of the contract. Lowe is 37 years old, coming off a down year.
Here he is back to $6 million a year
December 12th, 2009
I feel that there is the possibility that the Braves are able to trade Derek Lowe and not have to eat too much of his contract…
Today he is back to “not too much”
BS at its worst.
Coach (2011 or Bust)
December 12th, 20099:01 pm
Jonny Gomes has been non-tendered by the Reds. Then when considering that the 28 year old outfielder whacked 20 HR’s with 51 RBI in only 281 at bats, he might be an intriguing addition if not affordable altogether. But I wonder why the Reds cut him loose?
The dude made just six hundred thousand in 2009.
Surprised the Stanford guy finished second.
December 12th, 20099:02 pm
I’m glad Ingram won too.
Listen, I’ll use Reid Gorecki as an example. Before August 18, Reid Gorecki was in AAA making about $100,000. Then McLouth was DL’d and The Braves “purchased the contract of outfielder Reid Gorecki from Gwinnett of the International League (AAA).” His salary was raised to 400,000 (league minimum). He won’t likely be on the 2010 MLB team, he’ll be on the AAA team, making 400,000.
Robert (Chipper Is The Best)
December 12th, 20099:03 pm
Here is what I don’t get about the Mets. They have Reyes, Wright, Beltran and on the verge of having Bengie Molina. They have plenty of offense. What they don’t have is starting pitching after Santana. But, do they go after Lackey or even make a play for Halladay? Nope. They are trying to get Jason Bay. Whatever I guess.
December 12th, 20099:04 pm
boog is calling the penn state vs virginia tech game on espn2
December 12th, 20099:05 pm
It’s official per Kevin Rosenswag, Milton Bradley to the Braves for Tommy Hanson. Hell freezes over and Nancy Pelosi provides an honest perspective.
December 12th, 20099:06 pm
Thanks, now I don’t have to watch “Fargo”
December 12th, 20099:07 pm
keylargo………..dude, I already said that I made a mistake and left out “if” in the posting where I was trying to say “IF the Braves are able to trade Lowe without eating part of his contract…………”
Again, I meant to say “IF”. However, I never meant to say that I believe it would happen. I was just speculating “IF”.
December 12th, 20099:08 pm
keylargo- In Paul’s defense the Lowe situation is tough to gage. The amount of money that we eat is going to be dependant on the situation. For example if we were to trade Lowe to the Angels for Juan Rivera who is signed to a very team friendly contract we would have to eat a lot of money. Now if we traded him for Gary Matthews Jr (Gag) we would eat less maybe none at all.
Jonny Gomes has been non-tendered by the Reds. Then when considering that the 29 year old outfielder whacked 20 HR’s with 51 RBI in only 281 at bats, he might be an intriguing addition if not affordable altogether. But I wonder why the Reds cut him loose?
The dude made just 650,000 in 2009.
December 12th, 20099:09 pm
Jurrjens4NLCY………Reid Gorecki will not be making $400K in 2010 if he stays the whole season in Triple A. NO WAY. You need to check some more.
Soph – the West Coast contingent was rooting for Gerhart…and we got to see him play in person…
December 12th, 20099:12 pm
reid gorecki could be the worst centerfielder ever to play for atlanta
Braves Lifer………sometimes accidentally leaving out one word in a posting changes the whole meaning of what you are trying to say. I posted twice that I made a mistake by leaving out the word “if” in the posting in question. Yet keylargo wants to rip me like he never came across my posting correcting what I was trying to say.
December 12th, 20099:13 pm
No, you are wrong, I’d be willing to wager that your wrong. If I right, you can’t post here for a whole year, If I’m wrong, I won’t post here for 3 years.
And you can’t post under the name “Laul Pentz” either.
And I’m 110% serious.
VJ – I don’t know much about Gerhart. From the highlights I saw, he’s a pretty powerful RB. The kind that trucks over defenders. I was kind of surprised that he came in 2nd but like I said – don’t know anything about him. Ingram swayed my vote during the SEC championship game.
December 12th, 20099:15 pm
DIAZ – check
INFANTE – check
ROSS – check
JOHNSON – check out
CHURCH – check out
And it looks like we’ve got two openings in the utility department. 40-man members who are suspects include G. BLANCO, J. SCHAFER and B. JONES, OF’ers, B. CONRAD, D. HERNANDEZ, IF’ers, C. SAMMONS, catcher. SCHAFER appears to be the OF’er taking CHURCH’s spot, but I’m betting we add a player for the infield bench to take NORTON’s and JOHNSON’s places. Of course, we could always resign KJ for a huge discount after he’s passed around the league, but I’m almost sure some who had interest this past week will give him a look first.
COME on FRANK get that LOWE or VASQUEZ deal done so we can move on. We got a hitter (singular, if HEYWARD comes up and starts off the season), or hitters to sign (SWISHER and NADY – m-a-a-a-by).
ryan langerhans non tendered..maybe we could have an outfield of gorecki,langerhans and bring back church..what do ya think..lots of home runs
December 12th, 20099:16 pm
Jurrjens4NLCY…………show me some proof that Reid Gorecki is guarantee to make $400K next season if he plays the whole season in Triple A.
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December 12th, 20099:17 pm
Accept the bet first
Coach, I like the Jonny Gomes idea as a low cost, high return alternative to LF. Given his low base, not clear why the Reds non-tendered him.
December 12th, 20099:18 pm
Soph……..the reason that most people in the East and South dont know anything about Toby Gerhart is because you guys dont care about West Coast football. I live on the West Coast and follow the college game nationwide. Stanford is right down the road from where I live.
Gerhart is a beast. Dude carried Stanford this year.
December 12th, 20099:19 pm
Aww, no more boog
Jurrjens4NLCY………..while I’m pretty sure I’m right, I’m not willing to wager on it.
Paul Lentz – were you the one who said that Derek Lowe could not sign for more than Brad Penny ($7.5M) if he were a free agent?
December 12th, 20099:20 pm
you should, lentz. you’re right.
December 12th, 20099:21 pm
KeyLargo………after the year that Lowe had in 2009….AND given his age…….I feel that Lowe would be fortunate to get more than what Lowe got if he was a free agent this year.
Brandon from Warner Robins
December 12th, 20099:22 pm
Turner Gill the next football coach at Kansas. I say this is a good hire. DOB, your thoughts?
Jonny gomes and mark difelice have both been non tendered and I think the braves should try to sign them both. I’m not sure why difelice got let go, but he is a solid reliever. Gomes is a very good talent…he has excelled against lefties in his career. He hits them much better than righties, but I think he could be a big addition to the team. He has Very good power from the right side.
December 12th, 20099:23 pm
Reds are having financial difficulties and had to non tender Gomes.
I mean, if you’re 100% sure, whats the risk?
jed……I know I’m right, I just cant find any information on Gorecki’s contract to know for sure that I’m right.
Still, I just cant imagine the Braves paying Minor Leaguers the MLB minimum while in Triple A.
December 12th, 20099:24 pm
you should, lentz. you’re right.
Soph……..the reason that most people in the East and South dont know anything about Toby Gerhart is because you guys dont care about West Coast football.
Paul – it’s not that I don’t care about west coast football – he had no publicity/coverage. I mean USC guys have won the Heisman (Palmer, Leinart, Bush) – I knew about them. Plus, they don’t broadcast many Pac 10 games here. I don’t think I caught a single Stanford game the whole season.
December 12th, 20099:25 pm
December 12th, 20099:27 pm
Toby Gerhart is an absolute monster- he was actually recruited to USC to play linebacker- that tells you how powerful he is…it’s too bad he did not get enough attention (which, considering he led the nation in rushing yards and touchdowns, is hard to believe) but it is hard to garner the media hype when you play for a non-traditional power on the West Coast
Soph…….other than USC games, the games shown on National TV tend to be east coast/south games. That is why
December 12th, 20099:28 pm
Soph…….other than USC games, the games shown on National TV tend to be east coast/south games. That is why you probably didnt get a chance to see Gehart play.
December 12th, 20099:29 pm
If we sign GOMES then we bury SCHAFER, BLANCO, or BRANDON JONES in AAA GWINNETT to begin the season. I’m thinking they want to give JS a legitimate shot, and they try to pick up a GOMES clone on the infield instead. And DeROSA ain’t him. Too much payroll.
December 12th, 20099:31 pm
Why is Turner Gill such a good hire? He is 20-30 at Buffalo over 4 years. Am I missing something?
December 12th, 20099:32 pm
December 12th, 20099:34 pm
Jurrjens4NLCY…………I said I’m not making the bet. I cant find any information on Gorecki’s contract to know FOR SURE that I’m right.
December 12th, 20099:35 pm
cab – I can definitely see him playing linebacker. He runs over people!
December 12th, 20099:36 pm
I’d say jack cust at least deserves a look as well.
December 12th, 20099:38 pm
richbrave, what?!?!?!?! What are you talking about?
Rob in pain from (SC)
December 12th, 20099:39 pm
I am watching the U on ESPN
Man Miami were a bunch of thugs
What I said was, when you bring a up player, you do at least 1 of two things:
1) You give them 400,000 (provided they start ML service time)
2) You start they’re MLB service time (unless they’re brought up after break)
MLB do not pay for AAA’s salarys, If they weren’t brought into the MLB that year.
Would you like me to prove you wrong now?
You wouldn’t find it on Reid Gorecki because you have to wait for him to complete a full in AAA after starting ML service time.
December 12th, 20099:40 pm
Richbrave, AAA is exactly where blanco schafer and b jones belong in 2010.
December 12th, 20099:42 pm
So no comments on my Gill question above?
December 12th, 20099:43 pm
Although I’m a big SEC and Alabama fan, I live about 2 miles from Stanford (my wife went there and teaches there-I couldn’t get in), and I got to see Toby play several times. Ingram probably deserves it, but Toby is a beast. Tough and totally clutch. Also watch out for Stanford’s QB, who is only a freshman. Lots of talent.
DOB, I’m sure he’s old news for you, but I just “discovered” Otis Gibbs. Wow!
December 12th, 20099:44 pm
GAWD! Basketball is so boring.
December 12th, 20099:45 pm
I thought Lentz was correct, but it appears that once the major league club purchases the contract, as long as the player is on the 40-man roster the player earns the contract whether in the majors or minors.
In Gorecki’s instance, the Braves outrighted him in November so he is off the 40-man. If the Braves brought him back it would likely be on a new minor league deal and they could pay the going rate.
By the way, Andrew in PA, your comment about Gorecki being the “worst CF in Braves history,” is ignorant and simply ridiculous. Gorecki proved to be a competent fielder in the outfield and demonstrated why he is a 4A hitter. He worked his entire career to have a shot to play in a few MLB games for the Braves. He was serviceable and we apprecitated his efforts and contributions. The Braves have had a history of really bad CF, look up Sonny Jackson, Dion James, Rowland Office, Tony Gonzalez, etc. Gorecki was just filling a role.
Too bad Chipper couldn’t/wouldn’t be a good option at 1B. If so, could sign Orlando Hudson to play 2B and move Prado to 3B. Chipper is only gonna be around for a few more years, so wouldn’t block 1B for too long.
December 12th, 20099:46 pm
Typo…. not too….to.
Considering that it’s Buffalo and the type of talent that Gill has had to work with, I’d say he’s done a pretty good job. He did win a conference championship last season.
December 12th, 20099:47 pm
the pitching contracts given out so far as well as the demands of Toronto for Halladay and Lackey as a FA, have made Lowe more tradeable. To a team like the Angels we will not have to eat much if any of the contract and we will probably get a prospect further away from the majors.
December 12th, 20099:48 pm
Jurrjens4: nicely played on Gorecki, sir.
as long as the player is on the 40-man roster the player earns the contract whether in the majors or minors.
They don’t have to be on the 40 man, at least, not to the best of my knowledge.
December 12th, 20099:49 pm
yeah i think it’s that when you bring somebody up from the minors, you pay a pro-rated version of the major league minimum. so if you bring up gorecki on aug 1 and keep him on the major league roster, he gets august and september major league pay. (pro-rated for those 2 months.) but that doesnt mean he automatically gets the major league minimum (400,000) for that year. nor does it mean you have to pay him major league minimum for the following year if he’s sent back down to the minors.
December 12th, 20099:50 pm
Brandon from Warner Robins -
The best Gill has ever done….at BUFFALO…was 8-6…. If he dominated the MAC I’d understand…but 20-30 over 4 seasons and only 1 winning season. I don’t get it.
If we are left with around 22 millions as Paul stated, I will use it like this:
Delgado- 5million with an incentive for games played, MVP, etc.
Gomes- 2 million
extra infielder- 1 million
G Blanco as 5th OF to give us speed from bench and late in the game defensive help400,000
Try Schaffer and Heyward at aaa and bring them up later.
That’s around 14-17 miilions counting incentives, with some room for mid season movements, and some adjustment in Lowe’s salary when traded.
December 12th, 20099:52 pm
Going 20-30 at Buffalo is not like going 20-30 at Vanderbilt of Kentucky in football (which is a program on the rise…minimally, but on the rise nonetheless). It’s Buffalo for cryin’ out loud. The competition is significantly less.
reading lentz’ posts is like watching the aftermath of a car accident.
i know i shouldn’t look…
i don’t want to look…
i know i wont like what i see…
i know I’ll regret it…
but at the same time i just can’t look away, i’m way too fascinated with what will happen next!
Jurrjens4NLCY- According to WikiAnswers (of course not the best source) a player is only entitled to the major league minimum salary if he is on the 25 man roster.
December 12th, 20099:53 pm
of = or…. darn typos.
Anyways, here is the case. Jeff Ridgway was added to the Rays in 2007. Traded to the Braves and used on the Braves 2008 team, His salary was 400,000. In 2009, he wasn’t called up. His salary was still 400,000.
Also, Ridgway wasn’t on the 2009 opening day 40 man roster, and still made 400,000.
Johnny Gomes was not offered by Reds and now FA. Plays LF,RF and hit 20 hrs in 281 games 261 BA. The Braves could use him and would be cheap by most standards.
December 12th, 20099:54 pm
Whether Heyward starts in RF or not on April 1st it has absolutely nothing to do with needing a 4 hole slugger in LF for many years.
Belief or moves by Wren/FO to the contrary will be something they will regret more than relying on GA , Frenchie and KJ at the beginning of the 2009 season.
Wren struck out with Schafer (it was too soon even considering the busted wing) and while Heyward is another class of player he is 20yo and has negligible at bats in AAA and no AFL time.
All this will of course be glossed over by everyone far and wide which again could come back to haunt this team.
Frank go rent Groundhog Day the movie you really need to see it.
Unless he intends to get Adrian G at 1B (which he doesn’t) an OF of Diaz/Cameron, McClouth and Heyward will be a day late and a dollar short.
…now that I think about it…Logan will probably get around $1.1 or $1.2 mil. Paul L
you think Logan with his 1.7 WHIP and 5.19 ERA had a good enough year to jump from 430,000 to 1.2 mil?
December 12th, 20099:55 pm
Gregor Blanco has clearly demonstrated that he is not an MLB ballplayer, as he is 1) an indifferent below average fielder, 2) while fast, he is a lousy base runner, 3) below average hitter with no power. Much better more versitile candidates out there as a 4th outfielder, including Schafer.
Wait, no it wasn’t Ridgway….
Ugh, who was it….
December 12th, 20099:56 pm
I understand what you’re saying, he was leading candidate for the Nebraska job and Auburn job before Bo Pelini and Gene Chizik were ultimately hired. He must be doing something right if schools like these two have interest in him.
December 12th, 20099:58 pm
Ok, Connor Robertson of the Mets, brought up in 2008, didn’t play in MLB in 2009, played in AA and AAA, and made 400,000
All those guys have already been in the majors and thus get paid 400,000 even if they played in high a ball JJ
huh???they get paid that rate while in the majors, but unless they have a major league contract they do not continue to get paid that when they go back to the minors. Very few guys in the minors make anywhere near that kinda money
December 12th, 20099:59 pm
Buffalo was DII until 1999, we used to play against them at Uconn.
Turner Gill is a winner as a player and coach and I’ll bet he’ll be successful in the Big 12.
2012, count on it
December 12th, 200910:00 pm
If you play in the majors, you make at least 400,000 no matter where you go from there, yes, even the minors
December 12th, 200910:01 pm
But I wonder why the Reds cut him loose? Coach
perhaps because he is a horrible fielder
How come no one wants to talk about the fact that TERRY PENDLETON was the reason Johnson stopped hitting. The guy ruins just about every young talented hitter we get. Pendleton is a horrible batting coach and it is just a matter of time before he makes Heyward the next bust.
December 12th, 200910:02 pm
I’d say sign Gomes and resign LaRoche and off we go. Nice power throughout the lineup.
December 12th, 200910:03 pm
Throw him in left field, He’s got the same range as Garret with a way better arm.
He won’t likely be on the 2010 MLB team, he’ll be on the AAA team, making 400,000. JJJ
no he won’t. he’ll be back making around 100,000. you can’t seriously believe they would pay a guy like him 400,000 to muck around in AAA do you/ You are all screwed up on this one.
December 12th, 200910:05 pm
No, you are wrong, I’d be willing to wager that your wrong JJ
don’t make that wager
I’m not saying it’s right, I’m not saying thats how it should be, I’m saying that’s how it is.
December 12th, 200910:06 pm
don’t make that wager
December 12th, 200910:09 pm
And it looks like we’ve got two openings in the utility department. 40-man members who are suspects include G. BLANCO, J. SCHAFER and B. JONES, OF’ers, B. CONRAD, D. HERNANDEZ, IF’ers, C. SAMMONS, catcher. SCHAFER appears to be the OF’er taking CHURCH’s spot, but I’m betting we add a player for the infield bench to take NORTON’s and JOHNSON’s places.
Might be a fair number of non-tenders to choose from too. I’n not sure all be replaced in house.
December 12th, 200910:12 pm
Can we PLEASE get a BIG BAT?????
December 12th, 200910:13 pm
All those players are already on the 40 man roster: http://atlanta.braves.mlb.com/team/roster_40man.jsp?c_id=atl
Goodnight guys, sorry, I tried to get Lentz to accept the bet. I have failed you
Nick in PA
December 12th, 200910:20 pm
all i want for christmas is for DOB to be my facebook friend
We’ll get that big bat announced on like a Wednesday morning when people least expect it. Shouldn’t say a big bat but a hitter.
THE BEAR Illegitimi non carborundum
December 12th, 200910:28 pm
Jurrgens, apparently you are wrong. The following info is taken from the basic agreement of the labor contract between baseball and the players association. It clearly states that a player collects his minimum pay for DAYS SPENT ON THE MAJOR LEAGUE CLUB.
This means on the 25 man roster in my opinion. /THE BEAR
This info starts on page eleven at the following link.
From this point forward everything is quoted from the contract.
(1) The minimum rate of payment to a Player for each day of service on a Major League Club shall be as follows:
2010—at the rate per season of $400,000;
2011—at the 2010 rate per season plus a cost of living adjustment,rounded to the nearest $500, provided that the cost of living adjustment shall not reduce the minimum salary below $400,000.
(2) For all Players (a) signing a second Major League contract (not covering the same season as any such Player’s initial Major League contract) or a subsequent Major League contract, or (b) having
at least one day of Major League service, the minimum salary shall be as follows:
(i) for Major League service—at a rate not less than the Major League minimum salary;
(ii) for Minor League service—at a rate not less than the following:
2010—at the rate per season of $65,000;
2011—at the 2010 rate per season plus a cost of living adjustment, rounded to the nearest $100, provided that the cost
of living adjustment shall not reduce the minimum salary below $65,000.
(3) For all Players signing a first Major League contract who are not covered by paragraph (2) above, the minimum salary for Minor League service shall be as follows:
2010—at the rate per season of $32,500;
2011—at the 2010 rate per season plus a cost of living adjustment, rounded to the nearest $100, provided that the cost of living adjustment shall not reduce the minimum salary below $32,500.
THE BEAR: As I read this it means that when a player is called up to a spot on the 25 man roster he starts collecting the minimum with his first day and if he is sent back to the minors he is paid at the minor league rate.
If your position were true then it would be very difficult to bring up a player for a week or ten days to fill in if that player was going to be on the minimum wage contract for the rest of his career. That is totally illogical.
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