12:15 pm December 9, 2009, by David O'Brien
December 9th, 20091:57 pm
do you guys think that carlos lee is going to out hit brian mccann for the next three years? he didnt even out hit him in 2009. id say mccann is at least as good of an option to bat cleanup as carlos lee.
Macon Braves (RIP)
December 9th, 20091:58 pm
some of us have jobs and don’t have time to read 29 pages of a blog containing meaningless comments from condesending pricks like you.
That’s kinda funny, since the blog I was refering to was the half a page that DOB had just finished writing and posting. You know, when you first load the page, there’s this writing that the guy whose blog this is puts up. Kinda hard to miss since it’s got his mug plastered at the top of it.
And if you had read that little half a page, you would have already known the answer to your question without posting it and looking like the obvious MORON you are who takes a little razzing and turns it into a personal attack by calling me a “prick”. And by turning a little razzing into a personal attack, I would say that YOU are the type of person that would turn a blog into an unpleasant experience. However, since most people on here aren’t thin-skinned A-HOLES, I find reading this blog a rather pleasant experience.
And I still bet you’ve never bothered to pick up a book…
Rob - in pain (from SC)
December 9th, 20091:59 pm
Yes there was a huge steroid problem. However evidence is coming out against all those players. There is no evidence against Schafer.
I have no idea if he used steroids
“Oh,and before we go any further, remember to follow us on Tweeter @ajcbraves.”
If no one has mentioned it yet, Im pretty sure its twitter, DOB.
December 9th, 20092:00 pm
Please No Nady and Byrd Please They both are fluky players and NADY IS DAMAGED GOODS
DawgDad that was just dumb… yeah Bay would be awesome in the cleanup hole, but you can get too good players (say Cameron and Laroche) for almost half the annual salary and contract length… If you’re Red Sox/Mets/Halos, I say go for it, but we’ve got to be a little more cautious about putting our eggs in one basket….
Although, it would be awesome if we got Bay and Nady–we’d be the 2007 Pirates
hmmmmmm ….Agree 100%..Keep Lowe.. and KK for a long Reliever & ocasional Start Spot to rest Lowe or Javy..bring the Kids and Play it(Heyward,Freeman)…I don’t see any good Power Outfielder in any team, if we don’t sign the Two Best Free agent (Bay,Holiday) forgot it.Chipper will be Chipper in 2010 and Mac will hit for Power this coming year.
Braves are trying to get Reimold for Soriano.
Where did you read this?
December 9th, 20092:01 pm
Just back from the luncheon with managers, always one of the actual fun things about these meetings. Because we sit at the Cox table (every manager has a round table with about 10 reporters around it), and it’s always a good, lively, off-the-record conversation….
Bravoman: Wolf’s deal is three years plus option, $29.5 mill (you have to count the option-year buyout in the package, since he’s guaranteed that money)
brian at 1:53pm — source?
CB</strong, I pretty much set many of you up for that. New it as I typed it. LOL
Noah, I don’t have any problem with DOB not updating more often. Kind of figured with the Twitter account, that it would eventually come to that. Either way, the less time he spends blogging, the more time he’s out “scooping”.
Unless he has something important type about the Braves it doesn’t bother me if he’s absent.
As for the format. I just really miss the old “one big page” format from before. It allowed you to copy and paste a quote, and then use the “find on page” tool so you could find the post that the quote came from in two seconds. Now you have to essentially do that on every page. Which gets a little annoying and time consuming when there is 26 pages to do that on.
I never had issue with the old one slowing down. My connection speed has always been quick. But I understand why those who didn’t would be bothered by the old format.
This style of blog would be great if they could eliminate the “pages”. Other than when posts just start sitting in limbo in mass quantities. That’s frustrating. But whatever.
December 9th, 20092:02 pm
winsomething: That was my idea of humor/sarcasm (Tweeter). guess it didn’t go over as intended. I was trying to be JoePa old-school.
Please no more talk of two rookies in the outfield…one last year pretty much made it too hard to catch back up and make the playoffs.
December 9th, 20092:04 pm
Noah said, “Of note: Matt Diaz had a OPS of .878 last year.”
Yeah, he had an “OOPS!” of .878, too!
That said, his value is clearly maximized in pseudo-platoon with a Ryan Church type. That gives you one or two options off the bench, depending on whether or not Heyward nails down a starting role. Still need a LF that can hit 3-4-5 legitimately (by comparison with the Phils) and re-sign or replace LaRoche (prefer resigning, how many times are we going to let him get away?).
I propose Lowe, Soriano, and Vazquez for Fielder and Braun. Hey, this is fantasy-land, but that’s indicative of what we need to get back to the playoffs.
Nice about the luncheon with Bobby DOB,
Are you getting the since Soriano will be traded today?
K with a K
DAP – I think Mac is great number 5 hitter. I think it would help the line up if you had a hitter in the 4 hole that you know is going to play every day and plus it will break up all the LH bats.
December 9th, 20092:05 pm
Take a look @ Byrds splits (home/away) The ONLY thing he did better @ home was hit for slightly more power, everything else was either tied, SUPER close, or was better playing away… To say that Arlington helped him dramatically is a false statement – no, that being said, saying he’s a 1-year/contract year wonder.. Now that might be true..
Angels, O’s no longer pursuing R. Soriano. Astros and others still in. – from Ken Rosenthal
I’ve previously mentioned the Astros as a potential suitor for Soriano. But there seems to be a belief that their financial situation might eliminate them from being a major player in the bidding for the right-handed reliever’s services. from Mark Bowman
Yikes. Not as much of a market anymore, eh?
Little worm at Fox, “Angels and O’s out on Soriano” but thinks trade somewhere will come together quickly with someone else.
December 9th, 20092:06 pm
XAVIER NADY and NICK SWISHER or NICK JOHNSON.
All three sound good to me, and a SWISHER for LOWE straight up deal is pretty much a wash financially I believe for each club.
NADY used to kill us in PITTSBURGH and I like JOHNSON. Have seen a lot of him as I am in the NATIONALS market. He’s a solid if unspectacular player, very professional. A tough out as borne out by last year’s stats, but he’s not on the field as much as the BRAVES would like, and he doesn’t crush 30+ HR’s a year. Considering him would require a utility player back-up who’s not named PRADO. Someone with similar abilities to MARK DeROSA.
What’s the cost? LaROCHE would be about 9-10 mill. ANDERSON was 2.5 million. DeROSA alone wants between 7 and 8 million per. That’s dammed pricey for a bench player. Too much IMHO. JOHNSON wants around seven for a minimum of two. That’s 15 million minimum to replace 11.5? No way. The numbers just don’t work.
So how about NADY? 6.55 last season vs. 2.5 for ANDERSON – um-m-m. And he wants an increase this season through FA, all the while having TJ surgery hanging over him like a black ?-mark. Shaky, very shaky.
DAMM I’m glad FRANK WREN is willing to take on this thankless task.
December 9th, 20092:07 pm
N8: I’m with you on the one big page format. I’ve cut back on posting ever since the new format began.
Nova Scotia Steve - #40
As much as I like Diaz and his grit, wanting to win attitude, team first mentality…and the fact he hit that game-tying three-run shot against Florida to tie the game up at 4 in Atlanta heading into the final week of the season…Why the heck can’t we find an outfielder that can hit BOTH lefties and righties.
This platoon crap is getting old.
I would be satisfied if we got Nolan Reimold for Soriano,good player and still young.
Any interest in Ryan Shealy on a minor league deal
Nick in PA
December 9th, 20092:08 pm
so if the Braves dump Lowe’s salary, where’s the extra money gonna go?
rosenthal tweeted stating that the angels and o’s are out on soriano. astros and a few other teams are still in
Ok I will use what is here just enjoy the format, videos etc that other reporters use. I didnt have time to visit these blogs and forgot DOB reports on these and so from monday until today I thought there was no Blog update but happy to find it buried in here.
December 9th, 20092:09 pm
richbrave- I am going with the assumption that Nady is going to get 2/3 option deal worth 5-7 mil per. What do you think of him at that price?
Dude Reimold for Soriano would be the steal of the offseason…
December 9th, 20092:10 pm
NovaScotia- I think Diaz makes an excellent 4th outfielder.
I liked the old one page style too because it was easier to use the “find” feature to quickly scan through DOB’s posts (or any other poster that I liked). I believe that the posts were a little more thoughtful too since they had to incubate for a little while before they went live.
“rosenthal tweeted stating that the angels and o’s are out on soriano. astros and a few other teams are still in”
Maybe Wren’s asking price is too high…
December 9th, 20092:11 pm
Ray, I agree with you there on Reimold. What round was he drafted in? Does anyone know?
December 9th, 20092:12 pm
1:04pm: Rosenthal now tweets that the Orioles and Angels are out on Soriano. He still thinks a deal will come together quickly.
Eh the market for Soriano’s pretty well down. But hey that narrows it down to Astros who have financial concerns. I know the Astros want Latroy Hawkins but the Brewers are heavy on him though so if he signs with the Brewers the Astros could make the deal for Soriano.
December 9th, 20092:13 pm
Nolan Reimold is not the answer the O’s has a guys his name is Lou Montanez..this Kid was the 2008 in Bowie, best ofensive player in Double A and Norfolk AAA Int, last year he was Out for injuries, but he is back playing Winter Ball.
December 9th, 20092:15 pm
Noah, if you have a busy schedule this blog is what it is,many of us enjoy the opportunity to share viewpoints. DOB does a great job of filling us in and sharing in the fun of the blog- even in that stupid leather jacket.
yea, i think frank wren wants a a really good prospect or two good prospects for soriano, but because soriano might make $8 million, it wont happen. for soriano, braves will receive one pretty good prospect for him. lowe in the other case, can bring two good prospects i would think.
When will most teams leave the meetings?
December 9th, 20092:16 pm
NO NADY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO BYRD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! how much simpler can I put it Nady has no Defense and his offense is gone I would not give him 6.5 mil, Hell I would give him Garret Anderson’s contract, I’d rather have Garret Anderson than Nady in fact and thats the truth. And Marlon Byrd has a fluky year and you people think he is gonna be a Hall of Famer, LOOK AT HIS AWAY NUMBERS!!!!!! Nady is not a 20 HR guy and we need somebody that can hit he can’t and he is Damaged Goods. So quit fueling this stupid discussion on two lousy players in fact the only people I want to stay further from than Nady and Byrd are Greg Norton and Jeff Bennett.
Nate Mclouth is the better center fielder. I mean he was outstanding, he is younger, has better speed and more range than the older Cameron. Look Mclouth had a bad hammy, and he got to everything, remember the play he made against the Yankees against Swisher here is the video link please watch it http://atlanta.braves.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=5214659.
Mike Cameron is still an excellent OF. Has played RF in New York, San Diego. Heyward can play LF with Diaz or alone whatever. Awesome OF.
Bravoman: Soriano will be traded before we leave here tomorrow, I’m fairly sure. So yes, it could be today. Braves are motivated to get that done, get that part out of the way before they go home.
December 9th, 20092:17 pm
Jake C.- usually they start leaving the middle of the day thursday. this has to be the slowest winter meetings to date, so maybe a few teams will stay a bit longer. but until lackey, bay, holliday signs, it’s going to be pretty slow because of economic reasons
December 9th, 20092:19 pm
Jake C: Teams start leaving en masse as soon as they’re done with Rule 5 draft tomorrow morning. It’s over before noon. And if some teams are not doing anything in that draft, most of their officials might leave during the draft.
By 1 or 2 p.m. tomorrow, this hotel lobby will feel like a ghost town, with a few writers and that’s about it.
None of the supposed “big bats” you keep talking about are any better than Adam laroche. Most of the guys were hearing about are 25-30 home run guys. If laroche played a full season in Atlanta this season he would have been north of 30 home runs. Adam seems to be very comfortable in Atlanta and if were not going for some kind of big time player then why not Laroche? Unless they are going to try and bring back Laroche plus another bat. I don’t get it.
December 9th, 20092:20 pm
The Brewers are stupid. Even though Wolf had a very good year, and Lowe didn’t that’s just too much money. I prefer Lowe if I’m gonna overpay.
Is Lowe likely to be gone by tomorrow? KJ??
Thanks for the info
December 9th, 20092:21 pm
Tell us what you really think, dude.
December 9th, 20092:22 pm
Nick, I don’t get a sense that Lowe will be gone by tomorrow. Of course that could change at any moment, if one team suddenly feels some urgency to make a deal. But it’s not going to surprise me if that trade takes a while. A few days, a few weeks …
December 9th, 20092:23 pm
johnson will be gone by the weekend, and lowe probably wont be traded until atleast next week i would think
What I am reading is that scouts say Cameron is better in CF and that Mclouth is just average. This story is interesting on the subject of Cameron.
“Soriano will be traded before we leave here tomorrow…” – DOB
We’re holding you to it
MLB.com’s Jordan Bastian tweets that we should not count out the Phillies for Halladay – they’re “still quietly in the mix.”
If the Phils get Halladay you can go ahead and book their tickets to the World Series.
December 9th, 20092:24 pm
from the article:
Did you know that, since 2002 (the first year we calculate WAR for), Mike Cameron has been worth +29.6 wins, or about the same as David Ortiz, Aramis Ramirez, and Jim Thome? Or that Cameron has posted a WAR of +4.0 or higher in three of the last four seasons? Yet, due to a slew of factors that include accumulating a large portion of value on defense, spending most of his career in extreme pitchers parks, and posting a low average with a lot of strikeouts, Cameron has never gotten the recognition he deserves.
That will continue this winter, when Bay signs a contract that dwarfs what Cameron will receive, despite the fact that there’s really no argument for Bay being a better player.
Bay is a better hitter – that much is clear. Bay’s career wOBA is .384 versus a .347 mark for Cameron. A 40 point gap in wOBA is significant, and is the obvious driving force for the difference in perception between the two. But how much more value does Bay provide with the bat than Cameron in any given year?
Bay has produced +28 runs above average per 600 PA with the bat since 2002, while Cameron is at +13 runs above average per 600 PA over the same time frame. That’s a 15 run per season gap. It’s a real difference, but probably smaller than the perception of their relative offensive abilities.
That’s just the offensive side, of course. On the other side of the ball, Cameron is one of the better defensive center fielders in the game, while Bay is a bad defensive corner outfielder. You don’t have to trust UZR to agree with those assessments. Those aren’t controversial statements.
December 9th, 20092:26 pm
Man Reimold is a breakout player waiting to happen! 15 bombs .830 OPS in only 104 games! and his rookie season! The Os system is stacked w/ good outfielders (Jones, Markakis, Scott, Montenez), but they’d be idiots to let him go for just Lowe or Soriano. However, given their needs, Lowe + cash + prospect may get the job done. Reimold breaks out and hits 30 bombs = we win the East and Wren is recognized for the genius he is… GO BRAVES!
Dave, any notes on the Rule 5 draft tomorrow? Matt Young good as gone?
December 9th, 20092:27 pm
DOB, what kind of talent are we expecting in return for soriano?
December 9th, 20092:28 pm
Gotta love Jim Leyland. He’s doing his manager’s press conference right in front of where I’m sitting in the ballroom, and someone just asked him if Scott Sizemore might lead off for the Tigers next year. To which he replied: “The only way that a Sizemore is going to lead off for us is if we trade for Grady Sizemore.”
December 9th, 20092:29 pm
Ray Pugh, the Orioles have already stated they are not interested in Lowe. Maybe a Soriano and prospect for Reimold would do it.
Is Rico Brogna available?
December 9th, 20092:30 pm
Tomas–Most scouts and front office people don’t agree with you on the Mclouth/Cameron discussion. I think that the best move if Cameron was signed would be to put him in CF, move McLouth to LF and put Heyward (if ready) in RF. Heyward would not be in LF either way though in my opinion. The guy is a prototypical RF with a great arm to go with very good range.
GTI in Chicago
Mmmmm… Loves me some Neko Case.
Wayne in Utah
Nick in PA
If FW deals Lowe and his salary, he has promised to improve the offense and pay off my mortgage.
December 9th, 20092:31 pm
Macon Braves- I miss Sunday afternoons at Luther Williams Field. We must have drawn what/?2-3…dozen?
December 9th, 20092:33 pm
Brewers sign LaTroy Hawkins. Bet Houston is wanting to meet with Wren now…
December 9th, 20092:34 pm
Smack, I don’t think Young is eligible for the Rule 5.
December 9th, 20092:35 pm
I’ll tell what, there are actually just 5 moves the Braves need to make:
1st: Trade Lowe and his 15mil
2nd: Trade Soriano and his potential 6.5 to 8mil.
3rd: You extend an offer to Ben Sheet 1mil to 2.5mil in incentives
4th: You sign Dye, play lf and/or 1b
5th: You sigh Nady, play lf and/or 1b
You take into consideration that you offer KJ so that you have a potential to play 2nd and move Prado to first. Giving you options of rotating Nady and Dye to the corner spots. You start Heyward in lf to start. If Sheets shows thats he’s 100 percent, make him the 5th starter, move Kawakami to the pen for long inning support and spot starts. This would also allow Atlanta to try to sign Javy to an extension at the same time only offering 1 year deals not blocking prospects like Freeman.
Awesome lineup and well under budget!!
This rotation would easily be the best and deepest in baseball without even coming close to breaking the bank. Plus you have security if one breaks down.
Also a major plus…. Not moving any prospects to craft this team!! Always for frexiblity at the mid way point if you still need to make a move.
What do you think???
Brewers also get Latroy Hawkins…busy day for the Brew Crew
Reimold is better than every name previously mentioned on DOB’s blogs, other than obviously Adrian Gonzalez. Given that we have a small chance to get him “by magic” for just Soriano is pretty exciting. But i’m guessing that’s why the “tweets” coming out are saying the Orioles dropped out, because we were asking for too much.
December 9th, 20092:36 pm
O’s aren’t giving up Reimold. They are out of the running on Soriano, anyway. I think the Brewers will sign LaTroy Hawkins, and the Braves will send Soriano to Houston for a prospect.
Dang Latroy Hawkins is gone.
Would we be looking to pry away the orioles #3 Third Base prospect Josh Bel, if they are infact interested?
First off, thanks for your coverage the past few days and all year for that matter. It feels like baseball season is right around the corner with your coverage.
My question is about the Rule 5 draft – do you have any sense the Braves have anyone targeted?
Astros: “Frank, we’ll trade you a couple of rags for Soriano.”
Wren: “How about a ShamWow?”
Astros: “No way. They’re too absorbent.”
Wren: “Okay. Fine. It’s a deal.”
December 9th, 20092:37 pm
Cheetah Woods: As I said in the blog, I would be surprised if the Braves got a big-time prospect or impact player for Soriano. But maybe the competition for his services will push one of the teams competing for him to do that. I just don’t expect it, since teams apparently weren’t willing to give up a draft pick to sign him to a deal that suited him as a free agent.
I’m expecting a decent player or good-not-great prospect. But we’ll see, probably soon.
tomas Nate Mclouth is the better center fielder.
better than mike cameron? no, sir, he is not.
December 9th, 20092:38 pm
Cheetah Woods – Without knowing anything about him, a stud 3b prospect is something I’d trade Soriano or Lowe, or preferably both , for in a heartbeat.
Heard an interesting trade idea in the lobby, though it did not come directly from either team: Soriano for Mike Lowell, who could play 1B for the Bravos. Hmmm….
brewers sign latroy hawkins, which means the astros might be the frontrunner for soriano. not sure who the other teams are for soriano
December 9th, 20092:39 pm
Andy K., Matt was signed as a FA after the ‘05 draft at 22 years old. This was his 5th year and would have needed to be on the 40 man to be protected. I have looked all over the internet and can’t find the Rule 5 eligibles list for tomorrow. Anybody else know where to look?
before everyone goes crazy, DOB said “trade idea” though it would be intersting, but it wont happen
Gotta love Jim Leyland.
I envision stepping into a bar some day and finding Leyland and BASteve hanging out, tippling one or two. Don’t know why, just seems to fit.
Just hope they would invite me to join ‘em, LOL.
Oh yes, by only extending one year contracts. You could very easily see an outfield of Mclouth, Heyward and Schafer next year. At the same time you might also witness Freeman taking his spot at 1st. All this with payroll being very easily managed. And who knows what prospect pitcher will be ready for the show next year to take the 5th spot.
December 9th, 20092:40 pm
Anthony, we’ve been so busy with other stuff, I haven’t heard anything about who Braves expect to possibly lose. And you almost never hear names leaked from any team about who they’re targeting. That’s shooting yourself in the foot to let that info out and possibly alert another team that might not be thinking about taking that guy.
Okay thanks, I’m hoping for a top 5 prospect for Soriano.
That would be a great deal for the Braves. Granted Lowell is old and worn down, but that would maybe work quite well. Guy can hit no doubt about it. Prob better than anything else we could get for Soriano.
Braves 4 Life
December 9th, 20092:41 pm
With Latroy Hawkins going to the Brew Crew you have to believe that the Astros will be banging on the door for Soranio. Hawkins got a two year deal it will be interesting to see what he got per year. Should be able to set the bar for us….
DOB, have you heard the Braves, or anyone for that matter, connected to Nolan Reimold of the Orioles? He seems like the kind of player the Braves might target.
Lowell – ARRGGGGGGG
I knew it…and yes I know its only a rumor…but once i heard the BoSox are willing to eat $6 million of Lowell’s $12 million dollar salary…I knew the Bravos would be knocking.
We’re so predicable and I wouldn’t be surprised to see this happening DOB…
Plus if Chipper goes down we have another guy who can play third…move Prado to 1st…Infante to 2nd…etc etc.
I could really see this one getting done…thanks for throwing us a bone DOB
December 9th, 20092:42 pm
How much is Lowell making per year?
Interesting trade idea regarding Lowell…
Soriano for Lowell…sounds goooood to me.
Chris is right — I said “idea,” not a proposal that I’m aware of being made whatsoever. Just an idea from someone with very good knowledge of the Red Sox and their thinking.
what do you think of my suggestions up top?
December 9th, 20092:43 pm
“Heard an interesting trade idea in the lobby, though it did not come directly from either team: Soriano for Mike Lowell, who could play 1B for the Bravos. Hmmm….”
Hope not Lowell is owed 12M in 2010 and there is concerns with him switching over to first base. Now I would pull the trigger on a Lowell for Lowe trade in a heartbeat.
Nova Scotia: Sox are definitely willing to eat a big chunk of Lowell’s contract. That much is fact.
According to Heyman of SI Orioles are interested in Millwood and his 12 million salary, might be a good team to dangle Lowe to.
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