12:15 pm December 9, 2009, by David O'Brien
December 9th, 20091:14 pm
Mike Cameron sucks!! why don’t yall get it. Anyway lewie, nobody wants fat slow Carlos Lee.
Anyone know if Shelley Duncan has been signed yet?
December 9th, 20091:15 pm
Can’t wait to see Schafer up with the big club. All those clutch strikeouts in front of the pitcher.
It will be interesting to see if a trade of Lowe brings back something of value or will be a salary dump. It will be interesting to see if they can trade him and not have to eat much of his contract. IMO, that will determine how much they can spend on a good bat or two.
Why does Cameron suck? And don’t say “he strikes out alot.”
K with a K
What do you guys think the chances of Soriano and Lowe being traded to the O’s for Luke Scott and Josh Bell – 3rd Base Prospect.
December 9th, 20091:16 pm
Vaz MIGHT be worth A. Gon? Might?
Not even close. The Pads don’t want an established player with a hefty financial commitment – they want young studs with multiple (pre-arb) years of team control.
Fischerking04..agree that Soriano will be traded but if he wasn’t he would not be a 7 inning guy, he is better then saito and would get plenty of action in 8th and maybe some 9th. It would make the team so strong all around on pitching. But probably two much to pay down there to start the year, you always hope someone else you arent counting on comes through in the pen.
i’m a huge fan of nady, but only complimented by a better player: troy glaus, nick swisher, etc…
the braves need flexibility in the field.
December 9th, 20091:17 pm
Wes, from our end, trading Vazquez even up for Adrian Gonzalez would be a bigger steal than giving Renteria up for JJJ.
Two problems. Vaz has a no “west coast” trade clause in his contract.
After the paramedics resuscitated the Padres GM from laughing his ass off at that offer, we have to throw a couple more pieces in the puzle for him to bit.
I like Lowe/ Soriano for Scott, but they’re not getting rid of Bell. It would have to be someone else.
December 9th, 20091:18 pm
Guys we don’t need that much more offense–we were one of the top 5 teams in baseball after the LaRoche trade last year, so even if we only acquire a player that equals that production,. we will be sitting pretty… I’m 80% sure LaRoche is gone, but I George Foreman guarantee you Carlos Delgado could come close to his production (he hit 38 bombs in ‘08 in a pitcher’s park). I know I know bad hip old left handed blah blah blah, but every one of these FAs comes w/ a risk. Add one more bat w/ a good slugging % and we’re in the race for the NL Pennant, and you’ll thank Frank Wren in 3 years for not trading away any of our future core for a quick fix…
I like Marlon Byrd and think he would be a perfect fit. He’s a switch hitter, hits for good average, doesn’t strikeout too often(unlike Cameron) and he has a little power. What’s not to like? Some of you wouldn’t know what talent is if it came up and but you on the rear-end. Nick Johnson would also be a nice fit at 1st base because he works the count, plays solid defense and he probably won’t require a long term contract. That, of course, remains to be seen.
December 9th, 20091:19 pm
Cammy (Cameron) stats:
OPS: 795, 24hrs, 7sb’s, and great defense. Having him instead of GA out there, wow. Would rather him be in CF though.
Last 3 years he has 21,25,24 hr’s and 18, 17, 7 SB’s
December 9th, 20091:20 pm
Rumor was that Rangers offered Justin Smoak and Neftali Feliz to Florida for Josh Johnson. Florida has declined. My question is would you entertain the idea of trading Jurrjens to Texas for that package. Smoak would block Freeman at 1B but also would make him available to use in a trade with Lowe for possibly another young starting pitcher.
Nova Scotia Steve - #40
ryan c : “i’m a huge fan of nady, but only complimented by a better player: troy glaus, nick swisher, etc…”
I just almost spit my coffee all over my computer screen.
complimented by a better player…and Troy Glaus should not be in the same sentence….6 or 7 years ago I would have agreed.
NC Braves Fan-
I recall back to a funny Simers article talking about how fat and out of shape Andruw Jones was as a Dodger.
There’s only 1 scenario that I see here w/ Schafer involved and thats if they both play well and we don’t make a signing or trade involving an outfielder and it leaves us with an OF of McLouth/Schafer/Heyward…thats about it…barring a Nate trade which I calculate at about 2% likelyhood, Schafer right now is odd man out even given all his upside.
El Caballo is a lock for ~100 RBI every year…other than the contract, why else would no one want him?
For all those talking about Schafer, I’m pretty suspect about him and always have been. I realize he had a wrist injury last year and that slowed his bat down, but he has a hole in his swing under his hands the size of a beachball. I don’t think the wrist injury was solely responsible for that. I’m afraid big league pitchers are always going to be able to exploit that.
December 9th, 20091:22 pm
Byrd? Talent? One productive year. Sucks away from Arlington.
December 9th, 20091:23 pm
Just keep Lowe and Soriano and run Schaefer, Heyward, and Freeman out there ….. they are better than half the crap being mentioned as potential trade pieces we would receive.
NC Braves Fan
December 9th, 20091:24 pm
P-Town Brave: I remember a few of those about Andruw. TJ had a field day with that one.
I love Simers’ writing style.
P-Town Brave: Don’t forget Diaz who I think the Braves view earned a job unless they somehow get two studs for the outfield.
DOB- Great stuff, keep up the good work.
Question: What do you think the Braves would be expecting in a trade for Lowe (besides salary relief) are we talking draft pick, mid or high level prospect/ journeyman major leaguer?
I know about the Nady injury concerns, but I really like him, particularly in the National league, I don’t mind Cameron either, but I would prefer Nady.
Dang, on missing out on Gload. That is the kind of seamingly minor move that can really be the difference during the season. I’M LOOKING AT YOU NORTON!
Finally, Dave, hope you have had a chance to check out the new Oxford American Southern Music issue. Great stuff with a focus on Arkansas this year.
Might I also specify that my Carlos Lee trade proposal has him playing 1b, thus the inclusion of the 3b and of prospects from the Astros farm system…well, that and because I included both of our tradeables.
December 9th, 20091:25 pm
While I’m at it, hears my wish list in terms of net value to the club and likelihood it will happen:
1) Cameron (allows you to gamble on Delgado or Nady at first)
2) Swisher (vastly underrated – provides w/ immense flexibility)
3) Uggla (provides the big RH bat, but cost and positional issues place him lower)
4) Nolan Reimold (in a trade w/ Baltimore involving Lowe + $$ – talk about primed for a breakout season)
4) Willingham/Dunn- would be at the top of the list, just don’t see it happening
5) Delgado- ultimate high risk/reward player: could hit 30 bombs, could force us to make another deadline deal
6) Nady- same
7) Byrd- flat-out don’t want him- Diaz over a full season would be better
Richmond Rednecks would have been perfect. You are apt to see a redneck or 12 before a flying squirrel and they come out at night too
My man, whadup? Do race fans frequent baseball venues on a regular basis?
O Mighty DOB, Thou Mother of All Meat-Eaters, thanks for all the Winter Meeting updates.
December 9th, 20091:26 pm
Tommy T- I totally agree with you on Schaefer. (I think the Braves do, too). Don’t forget the lack of HGH either. Seriously, he may be one of those chemical wonders.
Where are you figuring on 2 OF’s? Heyward and McLouth are already filing 2 spots…
HJohn, Jurrjens is good but is nowhere near as good as Josh Johnson, Johnson is a top 3 pitcher in this league and while JJ has good numbers and is young, his strikeout/BB numbers are sometimes befuddling and lead to many people wondering if he will keep up his torrid pace
December 9th, 20091:27 pm
From the BleacherReport:
“The Braves and Xavier Nady have expressed mutual interest in bringing the free agent outfielder to Atlanta.
Wren had interest in acquiring the 31-year-old Nady in 2009 before he was traded to the Yankees. Nady’s health is also an issue as he is coming off of Tommy John surgery. The Braves will further evaluate his offseason progress to alleviate any lingering injury concerns they may have before signing him to a contract.
During the ‘07 and ‘08 seasons combined, Nady hit .293 with 45 home runs and posted an .840 OPS.”
I’m on the Cameron and Nady bandwagon. I really hope we do some wheeling and dealing today. I’m so bored!
Unreal (December 9th, 2009 12:35 pm): “Typical Braves, get rid of there best players. Has been there trend forever.”
Like Ryan Church?
owl hunter- one productive year? He’s always been a productive hitter with a good average and has always played good defense. If you guys think for a second that Mike Cameron won’t get at least $10M a season on a 2/3 year contract you’re insane. First of all, he isn’t worth it and second of all the Braves aren’t paying that much to a 37 year old guy who could hit a major decline at any time now. Byrd, on the other hand, is younger and would most likely be a much cheaper option. Face reality folks, Wren and company are going the cheaper, route with the offense. Wren is a pitching type guy, so that’s where the bigger bucks will be tied up. Why do you think they’re intersted in Xavier Nady? He’s coming off surgery and they know his price will be dropped considerably.
December 9th, 20091:28 pm
Usually I resist judging players for their off-field mistakes, but in Cabrera’s case, he had a meltdown the night before a critical playoff game (as Lew and others have repeatedly stressed). Where the hell was his head that night? Considering the massive price-tag around his neck, he needs to be a leader and an all-around good guy, and not a rotund drunken fool that melts down pre-playoffs.
I’ll admit that if his price-tag was lower, I would be more inclined to look the other way…
Pete I’m with you . I like Byrd. He’s only 32, batting average .283, a lot of upside. Yesterday on XM radio, Buck Martinez talked highly about him and said he is finally getting the playing time that he deserves. Would be a great pickup for the Braves.
December 9th, 20091:29 pm
I think that Luke Scott would be a great fit for the Braves and a reasonable return from the Orioles for Soriano. He can play the outfield and first base and is a pretty consistent 20 home run threat.
http://www.fanhuddle.com/atlantabraves <—It's more commentary than you can shake a tomahawk at.
Some 1b’s are: Russell Branyan (30+ homers last yr), Hank Blalock, Carlos Delgado, Nick Johnson,
None of whom are close to Adam Laroche’s overall contribution. Delgado would be if he was completely healthy, but that is not a fair expectation. I guess I’m coming around to realize the Braves idea of a “big bat” is my idea of “league average or worse”.
I seriously hope he’s talking about Lowe and Soriano…
Anyone who mentions “best” and Church or KJ in the same sentence will completely lose their credible blogging priveleges…
I like your wish list, but I don’t understand why you would put Nady below Delgado. He does not have the long history of injuries and disappearing the way Delgado does. He is younger. I know the TJ surgery is a big deal, but he should be ready to rip next year in the National league. I think Swisher is over rated. Don’t want anything to do with Willingham, he is terrible at Turner field.
Didnt know Heyward had a spot but thought Diaz did but let the best one win it. I thought I had heard Wren and Cox saying Diaz had earned a starting spot but you never rule anything out during offseason.
Huh?? I know that K/BB numbers can be indicative of future performance, but you haven’t been paying attention if you think Jurrjens is not as good as Johnson.
Macon Braves (RIP)
December 9th, 20091:30 pm
Obviously some on here ( 1L and Ryan from TN ) don’t bother to read the blog before throwing their questions up. I’m guessing since the blog is too long for them to read, they’ve probably never even picked up a book.
Rosenthal says “Smoltz still possibility in STL. J. Garcia might not be ready to be No. 5. Smoltz could start and/or relieve. Nats are Smoltz’s last resort.”
FW could gain fan favor by signing Smoltz as a reliever and that would add tremendous experience (both season and post season) and more depth.
I hate to crack on ya dude cause usually you’re a solid poster, but my El Caballo reference, well, thats Carlos Lee dude and not Miggy Cabrera.
December 9th, 20091:31 pm
Tommy and Daniel,
You’re dead wrong about Schafer–he has the raw talent of Grady Sizemore and will approach his level if we’re patient w/ him. I fully expect him to be as good of bat as McLouth but w/ a far superior arm, defense and speed…
Random, we need a new trade proposal today- you gave a pretty good one the other day. Enlighten us,oh wise one.
December 9th, 20091:32 pm
Check out this months ChopTalk and then listen to Bobby Cox’s press conference from Monday…then you’ll get that they want Heyward in RF Opening Day.
December 9th, 20091:33 pm
Ray- we shall see, we shall see.
Recall though that Sizemore never made it with his drafting club (Expos).
December 9th, 20091:34 pm
Those that say Braves are not looking at a real big bat. The problem is that the big bats available are not worth the money and years in most cases. Would you pay $100 million for Bay or Holiday. I wouldn’t. Same with free agent pitching, would you pay upwards of $100 million for Lackey (injured pitcher who only won 11 games). He is good but not that good.
AustinBrave– oh, but his numbers away from Arlington park…. can’t forget about that. It’s a known fact that Rangers park is a HR haven, no question, but if they can somehow get Chipper squared away while Yunel should improve his power numbers, McCann too and add a 1st baseman with 15-20 HR potential than Marlon Byrd hitting 15 HR’s with a .300 plus average at $5/6M a year would be more than enough offense to protect all this great pitching. They’re going the cheapest route with offense, folks. Face reality.
December 9th, 20091:35 pm
I’d be leary of having basically 2 rookies in our starting lineup (schafer and heyward). We need to make a move. Wouldn’t mind Cameron and/or Nady.
Rob - in pain (from SC)
I have done a lot of research on Jordan Schafer and HGH. My wife says I don’t believe anybody. The kid is ripped, however he is also described as a gym rat. The general feeling I get when looking up Schafer is that he had information about users and refused to rat them out. I won’t make a decision either way, but I am also not that he cheated
I just don’t think Delgado’s done, and yes, Nady has a lonnng history of injuries. Believe me, I’m not opposed to signing Nady and think he can return to 20 hr .800 OPS form, but if we’re not gonna sign someone consistent like Cameron or Laroche along w/ him, there’s gonna be a lot of 1 and 2 run games at the Ted next year…
Do me a favor and check out Byrd’s stats. Average at best, and he was in a notorious hitter’s park. Cameron puts up better power numbers (which we need), is a proven commodity and WANTS to be a Brave. He’s easily got two years left in him, and if we can dump some payroll, he can be had. Byrd has proven that he can hit in Arlington. I could hit in Arlington.
December 9th, 20091:36 pm
Daniel: I’m with you. If we can get Nady on a two-year deal I say let’s do it. Let him play first and if Freeman is good to go in 2011, you can move XN to LF.
The top winner and closer on a team that barely missed the wildcard has no real value? Are you kidding? And we have to clear $21 mill in salary from last year to get the likes of Byrd, Cameron, Swisher, or Nady – Again are you kidding me?
December 9th, 20091:37 pm
Salamander – Cabrera did not “have a meltdown” in relation to the baseball game though. He had an extremely good game in the playoff the next day.
December 9th, 20091:38 pm
Rob- I got some beach front property in Nevada, if you are interested.
Dan Morton (December 9th, 2009 12:39 pm): “I am sure you must have covered this in earlier blogs but for the life of me I can’t understand why we didn’t offer LaRoche arbitration. The guy is in his prime, a very good hitter ( second half ) and an excellent 1st baseman. Plus he is good in the clubhouse and apparently likes it here. If we had him for a year it would have allowed a little more time for Freeman to develop or at least let us know if he was going to develop.”
I think that everything good thing you say about laRoche is more or less true, but the Braves figured that they could satisfy their 1B needs for significantly less than LaRoche’s anticipated arbitration salary.
Maybe even with LaRoche himself — the Braves can still negotiate with him as a free agent, and may be able to negotiate a “hometown discount” after he’s tested the open market free agent waters and seen what other teams are willing to pay him.
-wipes egg off face-
Oops, well my inability to read aside – Mr. Lee has a hefty contract of his own, but I’m not as down on him as other big name players with bloated contracts (i.e. Cabrera). Should the Braves trade for him (assuming a Lowe swap here)? That I’m kinda lukewarm about given the number of years left on Lee’s contract. 3 years left at $18.5 mil with a full no trade clause? Dude is 33 as well.
December 9th, 20091:39 pm
A) Omar Minaya was GM at the time, and he’s an idiot
B) Sizemore was performing on track, but moron Minaya thought they were gonna get contracted so he made the dumbest trade in the last 20 years…
And second about Schafer. I am not certain how good he will be. He did k a lot in the minors. However he hit extremely well in Spring Training and the first week of the regular season.
Hitting major league pitching is hard, that is why we are all watching on TV. Try hitting with a broken bone in the wrist.
After having major shoulder reconstruction two months ago, my arm would fall of if I had to swing a bat. Schafer needed wire to re-attach the bone in his wrist and was in a cast for almost three months.
Give the kid a chance before you say he sucks.
Philthies talking to Smoltz
P-Town Brave: Agree but think unless he really takes off they will give AB’s to Diaz as I’ve heard Cox say he finally came into his own with the .313 avg in 125 games. Great problem to have with a rookie and Diaz, whoever plays better plays. This assumes they bring in a left fielder though.
i wouldn’t mind seeing carlos lee in the 4 hole…know he’s expensive….main concern would be the pitchers still throwing the fastball by chipper
December 9th, 20091:40 pm
Of note: Matt Diaz had a OPS of .878 last year.
December 9th, 2009
Rob- I got some beach front property in Nevada, if you are interested.
the sad thing about sports, is that teamates would rather you get suspended for steroids then be classified as a rat.
So apparently posts are disappearing AFTER they post today. Have I mentioned recently how much this blog format sucks?
December 9th, 20091:41 pm
Recent weather horror story:
I’m stationed with AF in Montana. It’s been below zero HIGHS all week. Just peeked over zero today. Yesterday it was -15 F high, with -60ish wind chill.
Snow on ground too.
Never mind. Looking on wrong page. Apparently I suck.
Ryan in TN
Macon Brave, some of us have jobs and don’t have time to read 29 pages of a blog containing meaningless comments from condesending pricks like you. There are alot of respectful people on this blog who give good information, and are interested in what is going on with the Braves. It is people like you that make reading these blogs an unpleasant experience!
Lee would be huge “no pun attended”. It would be great to plug him in the cleanup spot! But from what DOB is saying it is not going to happen I wish it would,El Caballo has always been one of my favorite players. I like Nady out of the players Byrd and Camron( he is a stinking Granger and Grangers suck) Frank Wren has done good so far I am sure he will make us Braves fans proud.
December 9th, 20091:42 pm
I don’t attribute Schafer’s Major League problems or Minor League performance to HGH or the lack thereof. I don’t think Minor League pitchers could exploit that big hole in his swing. I also am suspect about Schafer’s ability to adapt to keep MLB pitchers from exploiting it.
I’ll be quite happy if Schafer reaches the level of play that Grady Sizemore did. Sizemore was only the #1 outfielder in baseball going into 2009. I like how we’re not putting too much expectation on Jordan.
N8..yes the blog format does suck and the lack of reports by DOB too. I also follow Seattle and during these times they have at least 3-4 blog updates a day with comments on the happenings. One a day sucks, I’ve had to go elsewhere for the updates. Even when Soriano accepted nothing that night on here.
December 9th, 20091:43 pm
N8,we finally have something we all can agree on.
December 9th, 20091:44 pm
If Schafer comes up around June and is performing, I say stick him in center, bat him leadoff, and platoon Diaz and Nate in left. Considering how they both crush opposite-handed pitchers, a Nate/Diaz platoon would be MEGA. Just a thought, not that I think Bobby would do it…
December 9th, 20091:45 pm
Noah – you have to actually scroll through the blog. DOB is on here constantly posting info. He’ll post multiple times a day.
December 9th, 20091:46 pm
Of the guys mentioned in the article (Nady, Cameron, Byrd) only Nady could potentially improve the Braves offense measurably, and he’s a Boras client and comeback risk. But the Braves don’t just need bats, they specifically need a BIG bat. Only Jason Bay fills the bill among the free agents. The rest are roster-rubbish. Trade Lowe and Soriano in a salary dump, sign Bay, re-sign LaRoche, and plug interchangable pieces into the rest of the puzzle. Pitching should be solid; offense may struggle but it shouldn’t be as bad as it was at times last year.
December 9th, 20091:47 pm
Thanks for the reminder, forgot about him posting in here, so its a format as much as anything, wish his posts were seperate, something like this. http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/marinersblog/
December 9th, 20091:48 pm
Hey DOB, if you are coming out to Steamboat this winter for a vacation, I live here. I was born and raised in Atlanta. If you need someone to show you around the mountain and give you tips on the best places to eat, I’d be happy to do so.
It’s impossible to know, but right around the time pitchers should have caught on to this alleged “hole” in his swing, he got hurt. He will have plenty of time to correct this, and i think is it essential we don’t give up on someone who could easily become a Granderson/Crawford/McLouth level player around the time when Jurrjens, Escobar, Hanson etc. could be getting BIG raises…
December 9th, 20091:49 pm
Noah, I think DOB should forget about sleeping and stay on the blog and answer all your questions, you need your baseball fixes to be happy,I guess
listen to this fake interview hilarious
December 9th, 20091:50 pm
Ray- I have a lot higher hopes for Nate than what we got last year. He is a legit centerfielder (even if we move him to right).
If Schafer becomes Sizemore; I will eat my words and be happy to do it. I don’t want bad things for the kid, and I am not saying he totally sucks. Clearly, he has some talent. I really question whether or not he is the answer.
Finally, in this age, where everyone we hoped was using PEDs we are finding out really were/are. C’mon, a 50 game suspension for “not snitching?” Are we all past the fool me once phase, and into at least the fool me 15 times?
December 9th, 20091:51 pm
roster rubbish?? Come on, many of the names will help the team a lot. A 20hr outfielder and a full year of a 25hr first baseman sure beats last year.
December 9th, 20091:52 pm
The way the Wagner/Soriano things has played out is weird. Soriano is younger, coming off a great year and is certainly has more of a future than Wagner. Why did we need to sign BW so fast? We’d be better off with Soriano at $8m for 1 year than Wagner at $7m plus the option year. Seems like Wren REALLY misread the market that exists for Raffy. Now teams know we are forced to trade him and we’ll get very little in return.
DawgDad- Every team in MLB wants Bay, including the Sox and Yankees. How much do you think he makes?
Looks like the rumor mill is slowing down today. At least there was one big trade(Granderson) and a noteworthy signing(Wolf) during the meetings. I think the Lackey/Bay/Holliday market will sort itself out a little before Christmas.
Thank God..Peter Gammons can go cover his beloved Red Sox…
His bias toward the Sox and the AL East was sickening
“Cameron has already made it known that he’d be willing to change positions to play for a contender.” … but would he change positions for the Braves?
December 9th, 20091:53 pm
Braves are trying to get Reimold for Soriano. Baltimore does not want or need Lowe with all their young starting pitching. They need a closer to finish games by the youngsters
Wow…I was unaware that there were people out there that actually like TJ Simers
December 9th, 20091:54 pm
CB..not saying that, in this day and age where newspaper staffing is down its hard but a change in format would make it easier. Just been my gripe since I followed a different team that had much more coverage but I guess Atlanta fans don’t demand the same level of coverage. Not as much pre or post game coverage, player interviews on the network or blog posts.
December 9th, 20091:55 pm
Schafer never tested positive for any form of PED. We might never know if he used them or not. What happened to innocent until proven guilty
December 9th, 20091:56 pm
I think Nate will come closer to his 2008 form myself, but think about our good our outfield D would be with McLouth/Schafer/Heyward, something that is verrry important in a pitcher’s park like the Ted…
The PEDs are a valid concern, but something like growth doesn’t take you from scrub to stud… HGH by itself doesn’t really even do much for strength/speed–it mainly helped w/ recoup time…
The_Superhoo, I’m right next to you in ND. Fortunately for you, you’re just stationed in Montana, and eventually get to leave. LOL.
Not sure how the weather has been in recent weeks over there. But we’ve been considerably warmer and more dry than normal for this time of year. Had a tiny bit of snow before Halloween, and just in the last couple days got barely enough to cover the ground. Last year by Thanksgiving we had over 20 inches already.
Rob- what happened was MLB over the last 15 years.
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