12:15 pm December 9, 2009, by David O'Brien
December 10th, 200912:54 am
Trade of Soriano to #Rays nearly complete. Jesse Chavez, acquired from the #Pirates for Iwamura, is likely headed to #Braves.
December 10th, 200912:56 am
*sign* wtf they better take all of his contract
…im about to puke
Nick in PA
great, another former pirate
B.J. Upton may be one of the most overrated players in MLB…
December 10th, 200912:58 am
Not bad. Get off of the salary and stockpile bullpen arms.
it better be Jesse Chavez…AND someone. Wren would be selling way low.
First Frank Wren mistake…
December 10th, 200912:59 am
The Atlanta Pirates
Guys chill, the deal isn’t complete, nor even announced. It’s only said Chavez is LIKELY not definatley coming, and who’s not to say morosi is wrong, and if he’s right, maybe chavez is coming over alone. Don’t count your chickens before they hatch.
December 10th, 20091:00 am
If it’s Chavez instead of a decent prospect, probaby indicates Braves got their wish and paid little or none of Soriano projected salary. We’ll find out soon.
Andrew in PA
Jesse Chavez looks like Pedro from napoleon dynamite
Nova Scotia Steve
The Atlanta Pirates….
Almost as funny as the Nate Norton comment towards the end of last season…
Raffy’s actually gonna be taking a slight paycut off what he expected to make in arbitration (although its higher than what the Braves have led people to think he’d be worth in arbitration) for the chance to close on a good team. Braves can now move on to whatever else they’re trying to accomplish. They’re probably just happy to have it behind them now.
December 10th, 20091:01 am
He looks baked…
December 10th, 20091:02 am
isn’t*…isn’t coming over alone, sorry for the typo
He’s under team control through 2014….clears $8mil. Not a bad move.
wow this would be a bust…
you all are stupid
Wren just wanted to get rid of soriano. hardly a mistake. obviously we want no part of soriano or his contract
December 10th, 20091:03 am
Chavez wouldnt be too bad I mean 5 hours ago people were telling braves fans we’d be lucky to get a guy that could contribute at all but most of you ignored it bc you all know EVERYTHING! DOB just said it would be great and a huge surprise if they got a top 10 prospect for him so getting a 25 year old bullpen arm on the cheap who posted 4.00 era last year in his 1st full season in the bigs isnt that bad its very useful.
I’ll be happy when this Soriano-gate is over…and we move our focus to offense
And if u didn’t like Raffy’s homerun issue not sure if you’ll like Chavez…
I wish we’d quit grabbing pitching prospects. We have guys like Heyward, Freeman, and you can include Schafer I guess. After that, the fielder prospects list for the Braves is pretty thin it seems. Why do we seem to be so bad at trying to find our future 3rd baseman? Marte = bleh, Betemit = ugh. We saw how those two guys ended up after we tossed them to other teams. Do we even have any legit 3rd baseman prospect in the minors?
I’d rather keep Soriano
December 10th, 20091:04 am
I don’t mind this at all. As long as no salary was eaten by the Braves.
we cut church to eventually add room for this guy? or can we put him minors and uncut church lol
Chavez is one of those righties who’s better against lefties, because of the good changeup. Lefties hit just .228 with a .288 OBP against him last season (127 at-bats), while righties hit .299 with a .356 OBP (134 ABs)
December 10th, 20091:05 am
Chavez is a solid bullpen arm. He led all NL rookies in Appearances last year and held his own with a 4.01 era. If they get him and do not pay salary then the arbitration thing was better than letting Soriano walk for nothing. If they pay the Rays any salary then Wren will look foolish for the move.
This whole Soriano thing was a mess that should have been avoided.
Derek Lowe has had an affair before so we don’t want him anymore. I mean honestly who has affairs. Sheesh.
Man, if we pay some of his salary and only get Chavez things have got to be tighter than they like to let on. That’s pathetic. I think Wren is wasting way too much time trying to give Soti away right now.
You trade a guy with 27 saves an ERA. under 3 a career ERA. of 2.92 for a guy, w/ a career MINOR LEAGUE ERA. of 4.34. Hell they better pay US money for this. I see nothing good about this guy.
“I don’t mind this at all. As long as no salary was eaten by the Braves.”
chave is a decent bullpen arm guys
December 10th, 20091:06 am
Were trading Soriano so we can get bats people duh,so who cares who we get as long as we clear salary for 2 hitters.
Oh, and please, DEAR GOD, don’t let Chavez be one of those people we trade for.
Career stats of 1-5 4:48 ERA in 82.1 INN in 88 Games don’t exactly invoke confidence.
The best part is knowing that Jesse Chavez is our draft pick, doesn’t that just make your day?
This is basically like rafael soriano declining arb then signing with a protected team and the braves get a sandwich pick I mean seriously at least we lose the 5 to 8 mill either way 5 mill can get us an ok bat along with the money we would presumeably save from that deal to get a bat.
December 10th, 20091:07 am
Wait till you guys see who we get for Lowe,then its really going to get funny.
Braves are paying a tiny tiny tiny bit but nothing substantial….
Jesse is not as good as a first round draft pick and a sandwich pick, smh.
If we the Braves are only going to get Jesse Chavez for Soriano one the best closer in the NL last year then this is a very bad trade for the Braves.I am not saying Soriano is worth the Rays number 1 prospects.But At worst case the Braves should get one of top 10 prospects of the Rays
December 10th, 20091:08 am
Sorry Tiger Woods…Don’t you have enough chicks on your bangwagon…no room for anyone.
hahahah sorry..just like D. Lowe…
“This whole Soriano thing was a mess that should have been avoided.”
I don’t get that line of thinking at all. Instead of letting a player walk without arbitration and thereby getting nothing, we’re (apparently) getting a MLB-ready player back. Rather than sitting on the sidelines lazily, management did something to protect the team’s interests and improve our depth for next year.
Wren I got cha back like a sweater
December 10th, 20091:09 am
in his first 88 games hes 25 give me a break the atl braves have some of the most unrealistic biased over the top whining fans on the face of the earth.
December 10th, 20091:10 am
At worst case the Braves should get one of top 10 prospects of the Rays
Probably not, but I’m convinced they could’ve gotten Luke Scott, Wren’s got some splainin’ to dooo.
Andrew in PA..
I may not even post the day Lowe or Vazquez is traded…
December 10th, 20091:11 am
Gone Viral, im saying if Lyon is getting 3/15 then Soriano should have been getting that and never thinking about taking arb.
What did you guys think? We were going to get Pujols for Soriano?? We wanted to dump salary and just get something back. We all knew it was going to be pretty much nothing. Good work Wren, now get us a hitter!
December 10th, 20091:12 am
Welcome to Atlanta Jesse Chavez. Tomorrow we can welcome Scott Podsednik
Dude I don’t care if we got a bag of oranges for Soriano(get it oranges, Florida) as long as we don’t have to pay a lot. Some of you guys may not like it now, but this financial flexibility could allows us to sign Nady or Cameron right now if we wanted. Big picture my friends.
December 10th, 20091:13 am
makes no sense at all
I hope there is a little more to this deal…
Soriano accepting was just a bump in the road. Well played Wren. Onward!
Relief pitching is not a need for the Braves. Getting the sloppy seconds from some other trade for a good reliever we can’t afford isn’t a fun experience.
At this point, I guess I’d rather they just get this mess over with so Wren can focus on getting rid of a starter and getting us a bat.
Home of the Braves
December 10th, 20091:14 am
I’ll go out on a limb and be the only one who really likes this deal if we don’t have to pay any of Soriano’s salary. Chavez is only 26, he’s under team control until 2014, he’s making at or very near the minimum, and can actually contribute. He’s got a tendency to give up the HR, but he’s a good young arm with apparently solid stuff (http://www.draysbay.com/2009/11/3/1113479/rosenthal-rays-will-receive-jesse)
Sounds like a winner for us if we got rid of the salary and got a young, quality arm in return.
Who gives a s*** who we get for him long as we get rid of Soriano’s salary!!! You guys are something else.
I’ll be happy as soon as I hear that the Braves didn’t eat any of Soriano’s salary
Chavez’s fastball averaged out to be 94.5 MPH last year. Wow, at least he is a power guy!
Wayne in Utah
December 10th, 20091:15 am
To be honest, if we aren’t paying much, and if we do get an arm that might be a decent “end of the bench” bullpen guy. what is the big deal.
We never really wanted Soriano to start with. A fly in the ointment. Did anybody really think we were going to get anything close to value for him? If that were the case, we would have kept him.
This tells us a lot about our payroll situation. We have some flexibility, but not millions of dollars of flexibility, OR FW has designs on a plan to implement his offense that will use up most of his salary flexibility.
NO WORRIES BRAVES FANS! Frankie is the man. Do we really want to second guess the offer of arbitration. If MFIKY had an agent with any kind of kahuna’s we wouldn’t be blogging about this for the past 2 days.
So you could go find a guy that will undoubtely reach the big leagues and post 4.00 era in his 1st full year in the bigs I think the braves did the right thing here and went with a sure thing he will be very serviceable a week ago we were looking at 2 draft picks which is like playing the lootery now we are looking at a guy that will help us this year quit complaining. I bet if they declined arb and he just plain out left youd be mad as well right? Everyone is way over rating Soriano.
OOOH, I'M SOOO MAD!!!
December 10th, 20091:16 am
I’m gonna laugh my ass off if Wagner or more likely Saito gets hurt for any length of time. Cheap bastids.
“Gone Viral, im saying if Lyon is getting 3/15 then Soriano should have been getting that and never thinking about taking arb.”
I’m with you on that but the dirty secret of professional sports is that a lot of people in management are suits first and foremost. This was one of the core aspects of Moneyball that wasn’t discussed enough. There are a lot of incompetent GMs. I once watched Larry Himes describe Mike Morgan as a true staff ace who made Greg Maddux look better than he really is. He didn’t even know Maddux was calling pitches for other Cubs pitchers from the bench. It’s sickening how far removed some of them are from the actual machinations of the clubhouse.
December 10th, 20091:17 am
Frank Wren better have Mark DeRosa on the phone as we speak
December 10th, 20091:18 am
Who knows, maybe Chavez is better than we think he is. After all, he was a Pirate and their roster stinks. How many pitchers did they deal this past season? It could be a case of them bringing the guy up too soon because they had nobody else.
How does no one understand that FW had zero leverage. NONE. Every club knew we had to move Soriano. Just getting a usable piece is a success in my book.
Some fan you are…
I’m ashamed of you.
December 10th, 20091:19 am
Yea me too. Trust me though even if they do have to pay some it will be very little and I bet we will have at least one hitter here by Christmas now especially if Lowe or Vazquez could be dealt soon as well.
December 10th, 20091:20 am
Chavez sucks…11 homers in 67 innings
the Braves could have paid some of Soriano salary .Would you guys rather eat some salary and get a very good player.Or would you rather not eat any of the salary and get a bad player who won’t help the braves win the NL east and win the WS .What you guys rather have???
Or else what? You’re going to abandon the Braves over some silly rumor?
December 10th, 20091:21 am
This was the only thing we could do. If you are mad go and be a Yankees fan. We don’t need you.
If the Braves can trade Lowe,get Derosa and either Dye or Cameron,i’d be happy with that team for sure.
This reminds me of mid game blogging during the season. A lot of reasonable folk, and a lot of blathering idiots.
yeah thats exactly what im gonna do, please.
If this goes through, we will be where we thought we were going to be Monday night. Just with (presumably) Jesse Chavez instead of a couple of draft picks. Nothing we can do about the picks. We tried to get them, which was the right move.
December 10th, 20091:22 am
December 10th, 2009
Chavez sucks…11 homers in 67 innings
Atleast we have a huge ballpark.
December 10th, 20091:23 am
doesn’t matter if Chavez is all that good or not… the main point was to getrid of Soriano’s salary. If Soriano wouldn’t have accepted, there was no guarantee that we would have had any draft picks- or if we did, those draft picks would be several years away from contibuting. Chavez is ready now, so he’s as good as any draft pick (maybe better, who knows?) AND we get rid of the dead weight of both Soriano and his inflated paycheck.
December 10th, 20091:24 am
This was a salary dump really. Clear cut and dry. I wasn’t expecting anything big. If no salary was eaten, then that gives flexibility to fix the offense obviously. Not a bad deal whether Jesse turns out good or not.
peace dumba$$3$ most of you are idiots and I believe we’d be just a little bit lucky to get a 25 yr old useable arm or would you rather have Manny Acosta? Thats what I thought see you tomorrow.
If the Braves don’t pay any of Soriano’s contract then I like the trade. If they wouldn’t have offered arby the BRAVES WOULDN’T HAVE GOTTEN ANYTHING. Most posters were looking big in a small market. The Braves are fortunate to not get stuck with his contract….I think.
Kris in NC
Let’s hope Wren is not stupid enough to take just one player, Jesse Chavez in exchange for Soriano, that we are getting another player in this deal.
If the Rays are strapped for cash as the media has been saying they are, you would think they would want to get rid of some of those “big” contracts they have, i.e. Crawford, Pena that are scheduled to make $ 10M plus incentives each which is 1/3 of their budget. Chavez is only scheduled to make $402.500. Crawford’s deal could reach $11.5M so if they are strapped, they would want to deal one of them, Pena makes sense since he is a FA after the ‘10 season.
Sorry, Wren has to be asking for more than Chavez in this deal unless he is throwing in someone else to get a bat in this deal besides Chavez or this deal would have been done by now. Just my thoughts and opinions.
December 10th, 20091:25 am
What happened to all the Upton/Crawford/Pena talk? hahaha
I have this fear of Chavez making the team. Bobby falling in love with him and him blowing a good ammount of games. I hope not. But I’ve seen this play out before.
If some of the more casual Braves fans around here want a silver lining from this, it’s one less potential spot in the bullpen for Manny Acosta. With EOF, Saito, Medlen, Wagner, Moylan and (presumably) Chavez, we already know the primary components of our bullpen this year. Assuming we don’t deal Medlen, we’re already down to the last spot, barring unforeseen injury between now and when the team breaks camp. And that final spot probably will be Proctor once he’s healthy. It’s weird to have the bullpen this settled on December 10, but if Chavez is the guy we received, that is the case here.
Funny thing is, If Chavez’s ERA was .03 (3.98 ERA) points lower, he’d look a helluva look better. God humans are stupid.
December 10th, 20091:26 am
I didn’t sign on to be a Pirates fan, Jurrji.Cheap bastids
LOOGY, ever heard of a kid named Joey Devine? He gave up a few home runs early in his career, too.
P. W. Hjort
Scouting report from what I gather on Chavez:
Live arm (mid-90’s heater, though little life on the pitch), plus change, average slider, average-ish control, fringy command.
Has legit swing-and-miss stuff and doesn’t walk a lot of guys, but he’s generally hittable. Long balls will probably be a problem.
I’m pretty sure he has 1 option remaining.
Dave in PA
You guys are crazy thinking we were getting a lot for Soriano, the Braves had no leverage. For those saying Chavez we get Chavez for a number one pick, essentially you are correct, but why are you complaining? How many first round draft picks, especially outside the top 15, pan out. The guy had a 4.00 era as a rookie, not bad at all. Being up in PA I have watched him some and he has got good stuff. Sure a draft pick would be nice but we have a guranteed guy thats gonna be a good middle reliever.
Our bullpen is set now. We (probably) dumped salary so hopefully we can move Lowe, who again most likely won’t net much) along with KJ, and go get our two bats and a bench guy (would have loved Gload) My vote? Nady for first Cameron for CF. Or trade Lowe for Swisher and still sign Nady for first.
As for Andrew in PA, forgot to mention I am in State College, go to school at Penn State. Love my big ten football! Still have my family in North Carolina though.
December 10th, 20091:27 am
What an insult to Joey Devine.
Andrew- not to say Chavez will be great or anything… but look up their numbers and you’ll find that Glavine, Maddux and Smoltz all struggled their first year or two. Most don’t get called up and become HOF immediatley… only very small percentage. Just sit back and see what Wren is cooking up- we might get more than just Chavez in this deal. Or Wren might have been clearing payroll for something much larger. Give him a chance to announce the deal before you rule it unacceptable.
f the Braves don’t pay any of Soriano’s contract then I like the trade. nick
wilymo says the Braves are paying a small part of it
December 10th, 20091:28 am
Are there more Braves fans in Georgia or PA? geez
December 10th, 20091:29 am
I’m sure they’re both asleep right now.
Andrew in PA
If you look at the truth of the situation, it really doesn’t matter much what any of us think. I can say, “I’m going to be really upset if they trade Medlen this winter!!” But what does it really matter.
We have had some real good converstations, opinions and comparisons of the possible directions the Braves could go, and the players who might end up in ATL. When some start with their whining and moaning, then that’s when it gets downright stupid.
Like jeffrey d says, “What am I going to do if I don’t like the player we get for Soriano???” Same goes for ALL the acquisitions we make this winter.
In the end, I will end up being a fan of ALL players who grace the dugout steps in 2010. Heck, I will even pull for Milton Bradley if he perchance shows up in Atlanta.
Let’s keep all this in perspective.
Tomorrow, maybe we get Juan Rivera or a couple of prospects for Derek Lowe.
Or, maybe we get Reimold for Javy Vazquez.
I will pull for ALL of them, no matter who they are.
(and if one is Ryan Freel, then I will be super happy, especially if we keep “My Little Pony!”
A few guys here are using some strange logic regarding this trade, reasoning that because Soriano was one of the best relievers in the NL last season, the Braves should have gotten a great prospect for him.
Hey, we tried to make it clear for the past couple of days that the Braves weren’t likely to get more than a modest prospect or a non-impact major leaguer (we amended that at least slightly tonight only because of the money issue that seemed like it might be an obstacle for the Rays; we suggested maybe if the Braves pay a couple mill or so of Soriano’s salary, the Rays might give them a legit prospect, or better player than they would have otherwise. But they’re not paying a couple mill of his salary).
Anyway, getting back to that point, those of you who think the fact that Soriano is good or had a strong year, should have merited a big return in trade. Why? He’s a player the Braves had already replaced, a guy they wanted to decline arb so they could get draft picks. He didn’t decline.
They had already made it known they were trading him. In this particular case, they had almost no leverage to speak of.
If they had not offered arbitration, they would have gotten absolutely nothing for him. And because they offered arb so they could get draft picks, with no intention of keeping him if he accepted arb, they should now expect to get a top-shelf prospect or impact major leaguer in return? Huh?
So by that logic, the Braves should have just offered arbitration to all three of their top free agents including LaRoche, and if they all accepted arb and been due for combined salaries of more than $20 million in 2009 — salaries the Braves had no intention of paying because they only offered arb to get the picks — then the Braves should have expected to get top-shelf prospects or impact major leaguers back in trades for all three of them.
In other words, there should be no risk whatsoever involved in offering arbitration, because in the fantasy world you’re talking about the Braves would just get back top prospects or impact players in trades anyway, if the players accepted arbitration. No matter that the Braves never had any intentions of keeping them if they accepted the arb offers.
So there would be no reason for any team to ever not offer arbitration to good free agents, regardless of what their projected arb salary would be.
Come on. Think about that for a moment.
Remember, the Braves would’ve gotten nothing back if they’d not offered Soriano arb. They offered, they could have gotten stuck with a salary they didn’t want, and instead they apparently are getting a serviceable major league reliever.
I’m one of those who figured they’d have a tough time trading Soriano with his arb salary. So from my view, or what I thought a few days ago, seems like they came out pretty good, without this disrupting their offseason plans and the whole matter lasting only a few days.
Did you sign on to graduating the 3rd grade and learning how to spell?
And this trade magically turns the Braves into the Pirates, how?
What’s the obsession with Mark DeRosa? That he used to be a backup utility player in Atlanta? Ohh! Sign me up!!
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