12:46 am December 7, 2009, by David O'Brien
civilized white trash
December 7th, 20096:09 pm
wo wo wo i cant remember the last time idaho was in the paper for marrying mulitple girls…. sheep maybe but girls definately not i think you may thinkin of your neighbor to the south in arizona
December 7th, 20096:11 pm
Reports are that the Bravos would be willing to eat some of Lowe’s contract to move him. Might make Lowe attractive to teams like the Brewers. And, again, per reports, eating some of Lowe’s contract may make him attractive to some clubs who otherwise have an interest in signing Lackey, who’s going to demand a bigger payday than what Lowe gets.
“I spent a long year one night in Indiana”
December 7th, 20096:12 pm
Dave- I am not sure what the value of Soriano “playing chicken” with the Braves and arbitration. What is there to gained for Soriano? — Daniel
You don’t see how this might benefit Soriano by getting teams to come forward with offers before this midnight deadline? In other words, if the agent isn’t certain about what offers he might get, then by threatening to accept arbitration, it could light a fire under any team (like the Yankees, for instance) that has interest in Soriano but had no sense of urgency to make him an offer right now if they knew he would decline arbitration and hit the free-agent market. This way, it creates uncertainty as to whether he might accept or decline arb.
Not saying that’s why he’s doing it, but it would make sense.
December 7th, 20096:13 pm
Bobby Cox is about to be on the MLB Network
December 7th, 20096:16 pm
“Maddog had a 92-95mph heat at his peak.”
Not calling you a liar or anything, But I have watched almost ever game Maddux pitched for us and he never threw that hard, unless he did with the Cubs. However, I find it hard to believe that he would drop 5-7 mph on his heater wthout some type of injury which I don’t recall he ever had.. As a matter of fact I always found it a curious thing that Glavine threw harder than Greg. Hitting 90-91 on occassions. My recollection of Maddux was he threw 87-89 or even taking some off of that being the master craftsman that he was. Being a former pitcher myself in high school and Ameican Legion I pay particular attention to the details of pitching. Maddux pitched to contact getting many groundballs per game and struck out his share but he was never a power pitcher.
Medlen hits 92-93 on occassion but lives in the 90-91 range.
Flatbill – my ex missus was from Chicago and I would drive NY – Chicooga regularly
one time we stayed in Indiana on the lake… near the end of the world
December 7th, 20096:17 pm
monty – thought i wrote 92-93, not 95
NERDS!!! had a nice compact swing
December 7th, 20096:20 pm
It’s time to sign DOB to that long-term extension.
Speaking of extension, these Penelope Cruz pictures are making me tight in the pants.
December 7th, 20096:22 pm
I have to know. I know who MFIKY is, but what does it stand for?
December 7th, 20096:24 pm
Always playing for Yankee scraps. Until MLB gets a salary cap, I can’t take anyone but the Yanks seriously.
December 7th, 20096:25 pm
monty, first of all dogsbrekky said: “Maddog had a 92mph heater at his peak in Cys 92-95″
Second of all, later in his career is when he sat in the 87-89 range.
But if you guys recall, when he came in out of the pen in the SD series in 1998, he hit 93 and 94 a couple of times. Maddog stated numorous times that he believed in Leo’s philosophy of throwing at about 90 percent velocity with pin-point control, rather than slinging without knowing where it was going.
Make no mistake. I think Maddux, had he chosen to do so with how fluid his deliver was, and with the way he seemed to repeat it perfectly pitch after pitch, could have been a mid-90’s fastball guy.
December 7th, 20096:26 pm
You’re right. You did say 92. But I still don’t recall him ever (*with any regularity) throw over 90. But it’s neither here or there.
I think Medlen’s future, if he remains a Brave, which I hope he does, is in the bullpen as either a setup man or closer. He’s got the stuff and grit to do either. If the Braves don’t deal him (and nothing is rumored, as far as I know), I hope he gets chances to setup and, perhaps, close some.
December 7th, 20096:27 pm
TP – Mother F***er I Kill You
Jay Dub: No doubt in my mind, wants him to decline arb.
December 7th, 20096:28 pm
That was not a statement addressed to you it was the explanation of MFIKY
It stands for Mother F***** I’ll Kill You.
Hence his other nickname, The Scowl!
December 7th, 20096:29 pm
I am Australian and love my footy dearly, but the day those losers in Chicago GAVE US Maddux I actually wept with joy… best sporting day of my life
better than Nicklaus beating Aoki in 1982
better than Norman winning “The Open” in 1993
bETTER THAN Chelsea winning the Premier League 2 times in a row
ya da yada yada
December 7th, 20096:33 pm
Steve – that is what I thought it might be. LOL @ the second post…
December 7th, 20096:42 pm
Cox on Kenshin Kawakami: “I thought Kawakami had a great first year in the United States. I thought he was very dependable and competitive, and he beat some of the game’s best pitchers last year in pitching duels. That impressed me. He’s a tough kid. Certainly fits into our rotation if we trade somebody else, for sure.”
December 7th, 20096:46 pm
Those pining for the Braves to pursue more speed this winter, this quote from Cox today might not bode well. He was asked if he’d like to find more speed for the top of the lineup or whether McLouth was the answer”
“Well, everybody would like more speed. We don’t have a lot of speed. But if we play good fundamentally and do things right, maybe we can make up for that.”
December 7th, 20096:50 pm
The free agent market was pretty tough for the players last year with many of them getting only a fraction of the money they were projected to get before the offseason last year. Not only that, many of the quality free agents such as Bobby Abreu had to wait until nearly spring training to find a team interested enough to sign them.
While I don’t think that would be a problem for Soriano, being as he is performing a very coveted task as a closing pitcher, the barren free agent market of last year may very well cause many free agents to consider accepting arbitration offers this offseason that they would have spit on in offseasons past.
The agent for Rafael Soriano told ESPN.com’s Jerry Crasnick that his client is giving serious consideration and returning to Atlanta for a one-year deal.
“It’s going to go down to the wire,” said agent Peter Greenberg. “It’s definitely going to be a last-minute decision for us.”
Soriano’s agents, according ESPN.com’s Jerry Crasnick via Twitter “are scheduled to meet with Astros today.”
Houston will soon learn whether closer Jose Valverde will accept arbitration or not, a result which will likely impact their interest in Soriano.
Soriano earned $6.35 million this season and could make $8 million or more in 2010 as a salary arbitration-eligible player. If he decides to return to Atlanta, he might have to accept being a high-priced setup man since the Braves have signed Billy Wagner and Takashi Saito.
One high-ranking official told ESPN’s Buster Olney last week that “If Rafael Soriano turns down arbitration, he’s insane.”
If Soriano were to accept the offer, Buster writes in today’s blog that the Braves could still release Soriano during spring training.
Some one the guys on the MLB Network said Soriano might accept arb. and that should be a great surprise for the Braves, that the bullben would be outstanding with him at the back end with Wagner and Saito and the rest…
But really think about how many times a year a pitcher onl goes 5 or less. With a bullpen of Wagner, Saito, Soriano, Medlen & Moylan + a pitcher could go 4 or 5 innings and we could still be VERY competitive. We used to start cussing and saying its over when a pitcher went about 4 or 5. Now I know it kills payroll but you cant say it wouldnt make us even better.
December 7th, 20096:51 pm
Soriano should consider even a two-year
“If Soriano takes arbitration, his agents must be finding very little interest in multi-year deals for the reliever. He could make $8-9 million on a one-year deal, but the Braves could also cut him in spring training to save money, and the security of a guaranteed two-year deal, even if it’s only for something like $6 million per year, is preferable.”
December 7th, 20096:53 pm
dogsbrekky- still cracks me up thinking about that quote. I’m gonna use that again sometime soon if you dont mind.
And better than Norman in The Open??? as Ditka would say, C’mon, maaan
Cameron C, why dont we just invite Gonzo to accept as well, so our starters only have to pitch 4 innings a game
December 7th, 20096:54 pm
jcrasnick: One other thing: While the Braves front office is penciling in Soriano as a 6th inning guy, who knows for sure how Bobby Cox would use him?
more from ESPN
Lokks like he will accept arb and hope that Bobby uses him as a closer
December 7th, 20096:55 pm
Cameron C.- “Now I know it kills payroll but you cant say it wouldnt make us even better.”
Not if it keeps us from getting a bat.
Eric from MO
December 7th, 20096:56 pm
dogsbrekkey” the day those losers in Chicago GAVE US Maddux I actually wept with joy”
They didnt give us Maddux. He was signed as a FA. That would be like saying the Brewers gave CC to the Yankees.
December 7th, 20097:00 pm
im not saying our starters can now only go 5 im saying, look at all the times it happens where starters tweak something, get sick, or plain out suck that day. With a stacked bullpen we wouldnt really have to worry that much. Gonzo has an agent that will get him what he needs more than likely. Soriano is rumored to maybe accept thats why I mention him. Everyone is complaining because he might accept, there IS a good side to him accepting. Even if it means hes great trade bait.
Overheard on the AJCBraves Blog
Hey, I heard that Soriano might actually accept the arbitration offer from the Braves. Why would he do that?
Trade Lowe and KJ for Pujols.
No seriously, why would Soriano accept arbitration?
DOB do you think the Braves can trade for Adrian Gonzalez? We should trade KJ, Jurrjens, and Francoeur to get him, don’t you think that’s enough?
Wagner + Saito > Soriano + Gonzalez
December 7th, 20097:02 pm
RR you cant just cut someone because you dont like his contract. He will file a grievance and you will still be forced to pay it. He has to do something to get cut.
THis is from Wiki:
Maddux relied on his command, composure, and guile to outwit hitters. Though his fastball touched 93 mph in his first few seasons, his velocity steadily declined throughout his career, and was never his principal focus as a pitcher. Maddux was also noted for the late movement on his pitches, which, combined with his peerless control, made him one of the most effective groundball pitchers in history.
I suppose we were both right. He probably did hit or “touch 93″ while with the Cubs, I just remember the guy who threw 87-89 and no one could square the barrell up on him.
December 7th, 20097:05 pm
I agree, Overheard, let’s trade Francoeur for Adrian Gonzalez. But only Fracoeur and none of the others on your list.
December 7th, 20097:07 pm
the anti me
might as well ad kj he really dont do us no good right now
December 7th, 20097:08 pm
MFIKY? That’s what Wren is going to privately say about Soriano if he accepts arbitration. Perhaps with both hands around Soriano’s neck (while making that crazy Hulk Hogan face of course).
December 7th, 20097:10 pm
Since when did Wikipedia, the site you can post anything to, start getting used as a reference?
December 7th, 20097:11 pm
lol – I don’t disagree with you, cwt, however I was only being facetious being that Francouer was already traded to the Metskis this past season.
“RR you cant just cut someone because you dont like his contract. He will file a grievance and you will still be forced to pay it. He has to do something to get cut.”
Can’t Wren just say at the grievance hearing that they never wanted him to accept arbitration? You say he has to “do something”. To which I respond…. he did. He messed up Frank’s plans.
December 7th, 20097:14 pm
“Since when did Wikipedia, the site you can post anything to, start getting used as a reference?” Flatbill Kid
I just looked up your wikipedia page and it stated that you would be dissing wikipedia in lat 2009, and we are just to ignor you and continue considering wikipedia as the “bible” of all information. Especialy MLB insight.
My wikipedia page states that I can be an annoying smart-ass, and occasionally like to end my smart-ass remarks with a smiley face emoticon.
Rob - in pain (from SC)
December 7th, 20097:15 pm
Giving away draft picks is killing relievers on the FA market
December 7th, 20097:16 pm
The second paragraph of my wikipedia pag stated that I occasionally lik to leav “e’s” off of th end of som words.
Far as I can tell, wikipedia is dead on accurat.
December 7th, 20097:18 pm
Hey, I’m getting better. I only mispell Francoeur 50% of the time now as opposed to 100% of the time last year. Darn you, Frenchy!
December 7th, 20097:21 pm
According to this, Soriano accepted arb.: http://bravesologist.blogspot.com/2009/12/rafael-soriano-accepts-arbitration.html
I am not sure how accurate this is btw.
December 7th, 20097:23 pm
If that is accurate, Jeff, I would say that it looks like Frank has another pitcher to trade. Hey maybe we will get that right-handed slugger, after all.
December 7th, 20097:25 pm
If Soriano does accept arbitration, how about this:
Then sign a guy like D-Ro or Cameron to patrol the OF, pick up a bench player or two, and call it an off-season.
December 7th, 20097:26 pm
Damn, I guess Soriano & his agent really are waiting until the last second to decide. I would think, at least, that if he does accept Atl. offer it would slow down the process for what the Braves do despite what Wren said. I just think $8m added to the payroll right now would have an affect on their plans.
Then Soriano would be happier setting up for Heath Bell, and would even get some save opps.
My wikipedia page states that I can be an annoying smart-ass, and occasionally like to end my smart-ass remarks with a smiley face emoticon. N8
Yes, but now I understand…
SD doesn’t want our over-priced junk for their stud. Let’s keep it real.
December 7th, 20097:27 pm
That package would get Wren laughed off the phone.
I hope the Astros DONT sign Soriano. That means we would get thier 2nd round pick, they pick 8th next season.
December 7th, 20097:28 pm
Yeah Andy a team looking to cut its payroll to 40M is going to take on approx. 25M in salary, then trade its best player for 3 we just want gone. Good call!
Pucker up Braves fans, I’m gonna blow some more smoke up your butts between now and midnight.
December 7th, 20097:29 pm
Andy K, just stop, it’s not funny. You know damn well using some common sense that SD is a rebuilding team & wouldn’t want Lowe/Soriano/KJ’s big contracts, so I hope for the sake of your IQ that you’re just kidding around here.
Per Buster Olney – The Cardinals and Brad Penny have a letter of agreement, for a $7.5 million base and $1.5 in performances bonuses. Physical likely on Wed.
Andy K, they are trying to cut salary in San Diego, not add $30 million
What part of salary dump/we want young CHEAP talent don’t some of you guys get.
Let me see if I have this logic correct Andy…
The Padres want to dump salary and restock their farm system, so they are willing to trade Gonzalez who is owed only 10 million dollars over the next 2 years.
Why would adding 3 years of Lowe at 45 million, 1 year of Soriano at around 8 million and Kelly Johnson who is likely to make about half (or slightly more than half) of what Adrian Gonzalez makes?
Oh. Wait. I’m sorry. You’re right. That makes perfect sense.
December 7th, 20097:32 pm
Ken Rosenthal tweeted that Soriano is likely to take it down to the last minute. Not leaning one way or the other.
Hahaha my little experiment worked…throw one illogical thought out there and all the denizens jump on people like ravenous wolves…whole point of my experiment is to make a point to you guys to chill, because of the winter meetings, there’s tons of guys on here who don’t even give this blog a look during the regular season, so don’t freak out at them for their stupidity.
December 7th, 20097:33 pm
Andy K., San Diego can’t afford those guys. They will only take top shelf mlb ready prospects.
December 7th, 20097:34 pm
Cardinals likely has Penny landed. Physical set for Tuesday. Set base of $7.5 Mill and another $1.5 in incentives.
I would LOVE it if Soriano accepted arb. Some of the Braves’ best baseball came when Bobby was flipping Gonzo and MFIKY, depending on the lefties/righties upcoming in the batting order. Soriano faces the righties, Wagner the lefties and Saito doesn’t get worn out pitching the seventh or eight 70 times. Pick up Cameron, trade Lowe for anything (not that important!) and wait for the Rockies to non-tender Garrett Atkins and let’s play ball.
December 7th, 20097:35 pm
Andy K. is a regular Carrot Top.
December 7th, 20097:40 pm
Nice cover-up, Andy.
December 7th, 20097:41 pm
wasn’t a cover up, hopefully those who have read my posts over the years know i am more intelligent that that…
December 7th, 20097:43 pm
San Diego is so cheap they are going to non tender Kevin Correia. They will only accept major league minimum contracts.
We will not get
Adrian Gonzalez or Miguel Cabrera
Please stop with the trade scenarios that make no sense
December 7th, 20097:46 pm
Im hearing that Laroche is close to signing with the Giants, pending physical? Any word on that?
Come on Orioles please ~_~
December 7th, 20097:47 pm
N8, I gave in and looked into Wiki too. I found my page and you are right. It was dead on. Went to your page and what do ya know. Dead on again. So I’m feeling google lucky and try MFIKY. Says the MFIKY and in some circles the Scowl will decline arb. It also had a picture of a Cobra by FW, a cigar by DOB, and a bearded lady with teeth standing beside Wayne in Utah.
I mean, I have to hand it to you. Wikipedia has it all. Im sold.
December 7th, 20097:49 pm
I just thought about Brian Giles, who is a non tendered free agent from San Diego, and looked up his stats. He was hurt so much last year that his stats were basically meaningless, but look at his career numbers – 99 to 02 he averaged 37 HR’s . Then he goes 20, 23, 15, 14, 13, 12, 2. That is a decline almost in Andruw Jones’ range.
It was widely speculated that his brother Marcus was juicing it while a Brave, was Brian doing it as well?
December 7th, 20097:52 pm
If Soriano signs with the Orioles, he’d cost them their #39 pick…it’s fate…
Andy why would the Padres want Lowe and 15 mill contract and Soriano and his 8 mil when they are slashing their payroll. They would want propects, not high dollar players.
December 7th, 20097:53 pm
I wonder if by playing fundamentally Cox means actually being able to bunt a runner over.
December 7th, 20097:55 pm
Being indecisive like this, that late in the game, would make me think he is going to end up declining it.
December 7th, 20097:58 pm
What happens if 1 teams signs both Soriano AND Gonzo? I know it’s unlikely, but how would the Braves be compensated?
December 7th, 20097:59 pm
Hopefully Orioles sign him.
“Being indecisive like this, that late in the game, would make me think he is going to end up declining it.” – Efrim
I think thats what most of us think. He’s just trying to get his name mentioned more so he can get a little richer.
December 7th, 20098:00 pm
Brad Penny is a Cardinal
December 7th, 20098:01 pm
Bowman has a new blog up.
December 7th, 20098:07 pm
I like to eat new-bloggerites for breakfast.
nom nom nom nommmMmmMnom…
December 7th, 20098:11 pm
okay so my little niece just runs into the room, and tells me that the folks over at Sesame Street are changing the Cookie Monster to the Vegetable Monster….is this true? If so, I’m calling shenanigans, because that’s just lame.
December 7th, 20098:12 pm
My experiment worked to. You wouldn’t believe all the suckers who clicked on the links I gave and got a virus. Mahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!
December 7th, 20098:13 pm
Cameron is a more realistic/attainable target for the OF in 2010. ..
I can see our opening day outfield looking like a McLouth, Cameron, Diaz outfield. When June comes around… it’s realistic for a McLouth/Diaz, Cameron, Heyward/Diaz outfield.
And for the sake of starting ridiculousness…
let’s explore the Braves’ predominantly left handed attack…and how it could hurt us.
The Braves seem to be operating on Stop Gaps once again. One in the Outfield and One in the Infield. Both right handed, preferably… but once again, it seems for the purposes of only fielding the 2010 team, apparently. What happens in 2011? It seems that be even more Left Handed top heavy in 2011 than we were in 2009. Heyward and Freeman are expected to become regulars.
What of Schafer? I think many expect he’ll be our opening day CF in 2011… That means our entire outfield (McLouth, Schafer, Heyward), our first baseman (freeman), our catcher (McCann), our 3rd baseman – for the most part (Chipper) bat left handed… our 2nd and SS are our only regular lineup righties… now, i know Chipper is a Switch Hitter, but still… he bats almost twice as often from the left side. It concerns me we’ll have too many left handed bats. There’s not enough balance.
I admit, it’s silly to already be worrying about 2011 when we haven’t even reached 2010 yet.
But it’s even sillier to me to NOT consider it. Look at what happened to the Phillies in the world series. Their overabundance of left handed bats were victimized by the predominantly Yankees left handed rotation. I just think it’s something we should be wary of.
of course, if the Braves deal Schafer this winter, or McLouth next winter… then who knows how things will shape up… but as it stands now, the braves in 2011 are gonna have oodles of lefties.
Ironically, we won’t a single lefty in our rotation for 2010, possibly 2011…and didn’t have one for 95% of 2009.
December 7th, 20098:14 pm
I would love to see Cameron Diaz in our outield.
December 7th, 20098:15 pm
Sorry guys…I am having typo issues. It’s coming from that Cameron Diaz virus
December 7th, 20098:16 pm
I’m annoying everybody in the house with all this Braves talk and updates. We have friends and family for Monday Night Countdown/Football.
I keep chiming in with updates from DOB, Bobby Cox, Frank Wren, MFIKY and all. They look at me with this are you obsessed with them or something. As far as they are concerned it is over until next spring.
But, since they are at the mercy of my confines, food and spirits I will continue to torment. Come on Man…
I would love to have seen Cameron Diaz in our outfield like 10 years ago… but she’s too old these days.
December 7th, 20098:17 pm
Cameron Diaz virus? To cure press Alt-Ctrl-Penelope…
Stamper if 2/3 of Chipper’s at bats are LH then theoretically 2/3 of the time the Braves would have an advantage with a LH line up
December 7th, 20098:22 pm
Has Lowe for Bradley already been discussed?
December 7th, 20098:25 pm
Ward: I have read many places that a deal between the Rays and Cubs for Burrell and Bradley with the cubs eating some contract is “imminent”
I would love to have seen Cameron Diaz in our outfield like 10 years ago… but she’s too old these days
I guess Ms. Diaz is considered an old nag at this point. She probably needs some more plastic surg. to catch up with her younger peers. Learn from Demi Moore, Cameron, spare no expense to look like a makeup covered cadaver.
December 7th, 20098:27 pm
Braves_Fan_RSD I understand where you’re going with that… over a 162 game schedule – if most at bats are against righties, you’re technically right. BUT i’m also considering situational scenarios, late innings, playoff series, and that ilk.
It could easily become seriously problematic. Hence the growing importance left handed specialists play among team’s bullpens.
My wish list and that is what most of these trade talks are on the blog anyway is that we could trade Vasquez for Utley, put Prado on third and don’t worry what we do with the current third baseman. Bobby did not seem all that concerned with the third baseman either.
But…can she hit? I don’t care what she looks like if she can take a low and outside slider DEEP.
Just say NO to Bradley. we don’t need that idiot here. I would rather start Schafer and have 6 starters.
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