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shmoe

December 7th, 2009
2:48 pm

Just saw a ridiculous rumor on Twitter saying Alfonso Soriano for Lowe

DAP

December 7th, 2009
2:48 pm

scrootsBraves LH hitters vs LHP: .251/.317/.381

You can’t get that kind of stink off without a little extra soap, LOL. So, yes, I think handedness might be a consideration for an offseason offensive acquisition.

thats only half the info there scoots. its is a FACT that the braves ended up with better stats vs. righties than lefties. why does what their left handed hitters do matter? obviously, the righties picked up the slack.

by the way, the braves also had MORE than TWICE as many ABs in 2009 against right handers. so, enough of this “the east has alot of lefties for the braves to worry about” garbage.

so, what sense does it make to get a guy because he hits lefties well when A) the braves numbers versus lefties are better and B) the braves will face a right hander MORE THAN TWICE as much as they will face a left hander?

mgar

December 7th, 2009
2:50 pm

don’t know if this has been posted already, computer was acting up. The Reds are looking to shed payroll and move Brandon Phillips, why don’t the Braves make a play on him. Could move Prado to a corner outfield position or 1st base. Would add some pop and defense

Macon Braves (RIP)

December 7th, 2009
2:53 pm

mgar–We’ve had that discussion on here before. It wasn’t pretty. We have a second baseman, why would you move Prado from a position where he would be considered above average offensively to a position where he would be below average of what you want from that position?

David O'Brien

December 7th, 2009
2:54 pm

Bobby Cox was asked if there had been any thought to moving Chipper to first base: “There’s always talk of that. But no, we have not talked to Chipper about that at all this winter. He didn’t have his best year defensively last year. The year before, I thought he should have won the Gold Glove. He’s still a good player. His average was down a little last year; he just couldn’t get it going. But previous year he led the league in hitting. We still think he’s going to be productive.”

ncscoots

December 7th, 2009
2:56 pm

why does what their left handed hitters do matter?

Because your original point was that there was no reason to consider handedness in an offseason pickup, and your reason was that the Braves hit lefties better than righties. Ergo, you must mean that their lefty hitters did just fine against LHP, since (almost) anybody knows that righty hitters will hit better against LHP and contribute to the better-against-lefties stat.

Did I miss something here, or are you just being mulish? Of course the Braves need a right-handed bat, almost as badly as they need a masher of any handedness.

Jimmy Joe

December 7th, 2009
2:56 pm

Looks like everyone will be up till 11:59 EST waiting on the Soriano decision.

David O'Brien

December 7th, 2009
2:56 pm

Cox on the Braves’ starting pitching depth: “Really good starters. To allow us to get a hitter, we need to move one of them. They’ll be some knocks upstairs on our suite, that’s for sure.”

T. Scott

December 7th, 2009
2:57 pm

So, what would it take for the Bravos to pry Curtis Granderson and Miguel Carbera away from the Tigers? Just wondering….I would be willing to part ways with Freeman and Schafer….

David O'Brien

December 7th, 2009
2:59 pm

Cox said Prado will be in the lineup somewhere, wouldn’t say absolutely 2B, but said he’d be starting somewhere.

Of Kelly, Cox said, “Right now there’s some clubs knocking on the door for him.”

EL

December 7th, 2009
3:00 pm

Just heard a rumor that Edwin Jackson was traded to Mets

Patrick

December 7th, 2009
3:00 pm

Rumors are going around (mlbtraderumors.com) that the mets may be getting Edwin Jackson from Detroit.

TnBrian

December 7th, 2009
3:01 pm

T.Scott, I’ll guess Hanson or Jurrjens, Freeman, Schafer, Medlen, and probably one or two more good prospects for both Granderson & Cabrera. That ain’t happening.

Andy K.

December 7th, 2009
3:01 pm

I’m not ready to part with Schafer. Give the kid a break, he was a rookie playing hurt. It’s hard enough being a healthy rookie. We would always regret it if we sold Jordan down the river after about 100 Major League at bats.

David O'Brien

December 7th, 2009
3:02 pm

Cox reiterated that Heyward would get a chance to win a job in spring training, and went on and on about him being the total package and how they saw enough of him last spring and then during the season to know what he can do.

He also said that if “push came to shove,” Freeman would be a candidate for first base. But I think that’s Bobby being positive Bobby more than anything else. He noted at the same time that Freeman just turned 20 and is “very young.”

Don’t really think the Braves see Freeman as a viable candidate for 1B to start season, at all.

dogsbrekky

December 7th, 2009
3:03 pm

Crime Dog and the HOF – what do others think of Fred’s hof chances

does he get in after 6 or 7 tries ?

I would think he is a hof guy

TnBrian

December 7th, 2009
3:03 pm

Watch out! Here come those might Mets & Edwin Jackson to take the league by storm. LOL

Mets fan

December 7th, 2009
3:03 pm

Edwin Jackson to the AMAZINS. Look out Braves fans!!!

TennesseePaul

December 7th, 2009
3:06 pm

ncscoots: I would say that a future that includes Heyward, Schafer, and Freeman as core players increases, not lessens, the need for a big-time bat in the middle of the order. For a couple-three years, at least.

Ahhhhhh. well get ready for the lime light. We have Willingham, or Cameron, or Marlon Byrd, or maybe even Juan Pierre, on the radar to help those young kids through their struggles and carry the team on their back into the glory days of October baseball.

Honestly, there isn’t a slugger available, other than Adrian and maybe Cabrera (role model wise he’s a bit of a stretch) , that could guide and tuttle and lift and mash for the next three years.

owl hunter

December 7th, 2009
3:07 pm

Miggy ain’t comin’. Forget it.

O.J.

December 7th, 2009
3:07 pm

Edwin Jackson to the Mets? BFD, thats like Oliver Perez to the Royals.

TennesseePaul

December 7th, 2009
3:08 pm

push came to shove

That would be Soriano in the pen and six starting pitchers and a lot of “Thank you for your interest, but No” letters from GMs and free agents.

Macon Braves (RIP)

December 7th, 2009
3:08 pm

Prado in 09: 450 ABs with 38 2Bs and 11 HRs. Hit .307/.358/.822.
Phillips 09: 584 ABs with 30 2Bs and 20 HRs. Hit .276/.329/.776.

Phillips did steal 25 bases against only one by Prado. Prado made $415,000 last year and Phillips $5.2 million. I’m sure there is at least a small bump for each this year, but don’t know how much. Prado’s numbers are very good for a second baseman and below average for a first baseman or corner outfielder (unless Garret Anderson is your corner outfielder anyway :smile: ). I say keep Prado at second and spend that $5 million or more that Phillips would cost you toward a better first baseman.

PLOUFFE

December 7th, 2009
3:09 pm

Edwin Jackson to the AMAZINS. Look out Braves fans!!!
___________________________________________________________________

the rumor was “heard in the lobby” but not confirmed.

DAP

December 7th, 2009
3:09 pm

scrootsBecause your original point was that there was no reason to consider handedness in an offseason pickup,

nope, heres what i said:

“there is no reason to pursue a player based on what they do against lefties.”

this was in response that included a rejection of a player because of what he does against lefties.

your reason was that the Braves hit lefties better than righties. Ergo, you must mean that their lefty hitters did just fine against LHP, since (almost) anybody knows that righty hitters will hit better against LHP and contribute to the better-against-lefties stat.

no, scroots. ergo i meant the TEAM did better against lefties. exactly what i said. when clearly the right handers we have are doing well against lefties, and the lefties we have ARENT doing the same thing against righties (which is shown in the stats) what sense does it make to say “well, as a team we hit lefties better than righties. lets solve this by adding a righthanded bat that mashes lefties.” thats makes no sense.

if the team is looking to improve against pitchers of a certain handedness, the only logical thing is to improve against righties, since #1 they were worse against righties, and #2 we face more than twice as many righties.

im not against getting a righthander, for alot of reasons. but “so that we can hit left handers better” is a terrible and illogical reason.

David O'Brien

December 7th, 2009
3:10 pm

Cox went deer hunting with Fredi Gonzalez, Ned Yost and Roger McDowell last week at Jeff Foxworth’s spread in South Georgia. Said Fredi had never gone and never pulled the trigger while they were out there.

Patrick

December 7th, 2009
3:14 pm

and mlbtraderumors.com said a mets official just SHOT DOWN the Edwin Jackson rumor

Bravo

December 7th, 2009
3:16 pm

Fredi needs to go huntin’ for a managerial job in the Braves’ dugout

O.J.

December 7th, 2009
3:21 pm

Mets pursuing Rivera and Willingham. BFD

Piedmont Blues

December 7th, 2009
3:24 pm

Don’t see how the Mets and Tigers match up for Edwin Jackson, anyway, especially since the Motor City Kitties are trying to trim payroll.

Nova Scotia Steve

December 7th, 2009
3:26 pm

DOB

Think Cox’s Prado comment…may mean we might be trying to land a 2b…such as Uggla?

Efrim

December 7th, 2009
3:27 pm

Mets pursuing Rivera and Willingham. BFD

Aren’t those the same guys we might be considering?

David O'Brien

December 7th, 2009
3:28 pm

Cox on Heyward and whether his talent and readiness makes it difficult to plan and know whether Braves need a stopgap until he’s ready, etc:

“Well, we’ll see what happens. We’ll see. We’re not going to give anybody the job, but he’s going to be able to compete. If he wins it, he wins it.”

Nova Scotia Steve

December 7th, 2009
3:29 pm

Here we go folks…rumors…rumors…rumors….fast and furious

K with a K

December 7th, 2009
3:31 pm

DOB I have read that the D-Backs are looking for a pitcher and have room to add to thier salray this year(Lowe). What are your thoughts on Conor Jackson? Do you think since he can play 1B/LF and being a RH bat that he would be a good fit here in Atalata? Also do you think the 2011 mangaer position came-up at all on that hunting trip…Ned Yost maybe coming back to the Braves??

TnBrian

December 7th, 2009
3:34 pm

Nova Scotia Steve, that’s what I was thinking when I read that about Prado. I don’t know if I’d be opposed to Prado playing 1st for a year, he looked fine over there to me when he played some this year. I know, I know, you need more production from that position than what Prado can give you, but it’d probably only be for a year.

ncscoots

December 7th, 2009
3:37 pm

Honestly, there isn’t a slugger available, other than Adrian and maybe Cabrera (role model wise he’s a bit of a stretch) , that could guide and tuttle and lift and mash for the next three years.

Always a possibility, and, too bad, if so. McCann will have to grow into it, I guess. 2012 could see the look of the Braves solidify, and, from here, it looks as if it will be a talented and very young core. Gonna need some veteran offensive presence in there somewhere, and I don’t mean David Eckstine.

keylargo

December 7th, 2009
3:38 pm

Yahoo’s Steve Henson says the Braves want to move Derek Lowe or Javier Vazquez, but not Kenshin Kawakami.

By Tim Dierkes [December 7, 2009 at 1:32pm CST]
Collecting some tweets I couldn’t quite turn into posts… Bill Shanks quoting Braves manager Bobby Cox: “clubs are knocking on the door for Kelly Johnson.”

Nova Scotia Steve

December 7th, 2009
3:39 pm

TnBrian

For sure man. And with Uggla at 2B at a relatively nice cost…we could put more dollars into that nice power hitting outfielder!

And I like Uggla..think he’d be a nice fit in the three hole in our line-up.

McLouth
Prado
Uggla
Jones
(Vacant OF position)
McCann
Escobar
Diaz/Heyward
Pitcher

McFann O

December 7th, 2009
3:39 pm

Brian McCann

No…I don’t think so. I was talking about that svelte guy that catches for Braves who had trouble against lefties last year because his vision was impaired, making it harder to track a lot of pitches. Funny, he’s got the same name as you, but it doesn’t sound like you two have the same build–at least, not anymore. He was thicker in ‘08 but he still hit 23 HR and 42 doubles.

O.J.

December 7th, 2009
3:41 pm

I think Juan Rivera would be a perfect fit for the Braves.

O.J.

December 7th, 2009
3:42 pm

Keylargo.

David O’Brien

December 7th, 2009
2:59 pm

Cox said Prado will be in the lineup somewhere, wouldn’t say absolutely 2B, but said he’d be starting somewhere.

Of Kelly, Cox said, “Right now there’s some clubs knocking on the door for him.”

Anthony

December 7th, 2009
3:42 pm

k with a k,

ned yost as manager? Possibly. But I have a feeling that Wren will want to make his own stamp on the organization. I see the braves going outside their norm and making a hire for 2011.

Erik

December 7th, 2009
3:43 pm

DOB do you get a feeling the braves see two holes in the OF or just one?

Obviously with Church/Diaz there is platoon potential but with Church battling injuries and having limited effectiveness last season he is certainly a non tender candidate. Do you think the braves would get a big bat for LF or RF and then give Heyward a shot with Diaz and possibly a Anderson type veteran platoon as a backup?

Thoughts about a Lowe/LA reunion? Maybe Lowe/KJ/ Schaffer and salary relief lets say 4M(12M total) a year for Kemp? Then shift Nate to LF and let Kemp roam in CF. Talk about an athletic OF. Mclouth, Kemp and Heyward in 2010.

keylargo

December 7th, 2009
3:43 pm

I messed up the last part of Bobby Cox’s qoute on KJ. It should have read -

I expect KJ to be traded by Saturday.

O.J.

December 7th, 2009
3:44 pm

What is with all the GM’s not being there and stuff and just now arriving? I thought the meetings were mandatory and had to be arriving Sunday.

Frankie Knuckles

December 7th, 2009
3:44 pm

Ohhhh, that mills spinnin!! Looks like we may move a pitcher this week. I’ve got a hunch it’ll be Javy.

Andy K.

December 7th, 2009
3:45 pm

How about Geoff Jenkins for our bench?

chris

December 7th, 2009
3:45 pm

just saw a report on espn saying that angels gm tony reagins hasnt arrived to the winter meeting yet. geez, talk about lacking….

Hillbilly

December 7th, 2009
3:46 pm

Foxworthy has got some enormous bucks out there at his place. He and Ned Yost are featured regularly on RealTree’s Monster Bucks Video Series. Wonder if Cox, or McDowell busted one of them.

Homer

December 7th, 2009
3:47 pm

Nova Scotia Steve

December 7th, 2009
3:49 pm

“Foxworthy has got some enormous bucks out there at his place.” – Are we talking about funding for the Braves….or deer.

P. W. Hjort

December 7th, 2009
3:50 pm

Andy K.,

How about Geoff Jenkins for our bench?

I like it. The Braves need a 5th OF and Genkins could fit that bill. By the way, if the Braves do sign Geoff Jenkins, we have to call him Genkins.

Flatbill Kid

December 7th, 2009
3:50 pm

DOB, just finished reading the blog. Great read as always. It is gonna be exciting to watch all this unfold.

Love Penelope Cruz.

So we get Luke Scott? Dye? Cameron? LaRoche? or Screwed by the Scowl?

K with a K

December 7th, 2009
3:51 pm

Anthony, I can see that happening too. But I know Yost has been out of the game for awhile and that Bobby will have “some” input on who the next manager will be. I just thought you know thier aren’t enough rumors flying around I should try to get one going! What do you think about Conor Jackson …think he would be a good fit as a Brave?

Random

December 7th, 2009
3:51 pm

N8 (December 7th, 2009 2:33 pm): “If Wren is willing to trade JJJ for Gonzalez, and the Padres accept ONLY Jurrjens for him, I’ll send you a bottle of whatever it is you like to drink (I pick the size of the bottle. LOL)”

Does Nyquil come in jereboams? :lol:

Warren Haynes for President

December 7th, 2009
3:52 pm

DOB,

When you get back from the meetings you need to get your best albums of the year/ decade out with plenty of time before X-Mas. I may need it to help steer my wish list/ shopping list. Any preliminary previews that would appeal in particular to a Drive-By Truckers, James McMurtry, ect fan?

NC Braves Fan

December 7th, 2009
3:52 pm

Dan Uggla is not a good fit. Guy is terrible defensively. No thanks.

SoWeGa Fanatic

December 7th, 2009
3:52 pm

Personally, I’d rather talk deer than music or movies.

Andy K.

December 7th, 2009
3:53 pm

P. W. Hjort-Also, MLBTR says Jenkins has been practicing at first, so he could also spell whoever our 1B ends up being. I’d have Wren or Kemp or whoever go watch him practice, but after that, then I’d say go for it.

RR

December 7th, 2009
3:53 pm

Nick Pietruszkiewicz: More Dusty, this time on Bobby Cox and this being the Braves’ manager’s final year: “That’s what Bobby says. He might be doing the Brett Favre.”

DUSTY BAKER’S TAKE ON COX

TommyP

December 7th, 2009
3:57 pm

I really think Juan Rivera is #1 on our wish list. I’d bet that the Braves make a very strong push to acquire him.

We’d also have to have a deal for one of Lowe or Vazquez lined up to clear salary but I think Rivera is going to be the guy we get.

Hillbilly

December 7th, 2009
3:58 pm

“Foxworthy has got some enormous bucks out there at his place.” – Are we talking about funding for the Braves….or deer.

Probably both, but I was referring to deer.

P-Town Brave

December 7th, 2009
3:59 pm

DOB-

Fredi doesn’t need to pull the trigger…what with Roger over on the grassy knoll behind the bushes and all ;)

sidslidkid

December 7th, 2009
3:59 pm

TommyP, what makes you think Rivera is #1 on our wish list? Have you heard something?

Jimmy Joe

December 7th, 2009
3:59 pm

Soriano to the Yanks makes a lot of sense. 2 years-14m.

Homer

December 7th, 2009
4:00 pm

Fire SoWeGa Fanatic!

RC

December 7th, 2009
4:02 pm

I really think Juan Rivera is #1 on our wish list. I’d bet that the Braves make a very strong push to acquire him.

We’d also have to have a deal for one of Lowe or Vazquez lined up to clear salary but I think Rivera is going to be the guy we get.

Why not Lowe for Riveria? The Angels needs someone to replace Lackey, and Lowe is the most comparable among those pitchers that are available. If I were the Angels I’d ask for a mid-level prospect as well, but I think the needs of each club make sense here.

Bravo

December 7th, 2009
4:02 pm

What’s the difference between beer nuts and deer nuts?

Deer nuts are under a BUCK!

waka, waka, waka…

Random

December 7th, 2009
4:05 pm

Jair Jurrjens and Christian Bethancourt for Adrian Gonzalez and cash.

Quizknow

December 7th, 2009
4:06 pm

Bravo, just what we need to lighten the mood — some Junior High humor; but that sure didn’t stop me from rolling on the floor…. As I always say about myself, “small minds are amused in small ways.”

RC

December 7th, 2009
4:08 pm

Really interesting article on FanGraphs suggesting that teams should consider Kelly Johnson as an alternative to Mark DeRosa. Here’s the “money quote” – Teams interested in this type of player should be viewing DeRosa as a backup plan if they can’t get Johnson, not the other way around.

Bravo

December 7th, 2009
4:09 pm

Hillbilly talking about bucks made me think of it. Can’t be any more nonsensical than the blog hiring, firing, and turning over 2/3 of the roster.

Nova Scotia Steve

December 7th, 2009
4:10 pm

Well well well I guess we won’t be non-tendering Kelly Johnson now will we.

Lew

December 7th, 2009
4:11 pm

OJ-I would hardly think that the acquisition of Edwin Jackson makes the Mets’ offseason all that bright, given their multitude of needs, but never doubt that the Dude can pitch. It IS a good pick up for them. Jackson’s a good mid-rotation starter.

Bobby

December 7th, 2009
4:12 pm

RC: Thanks for the heads-up about the fangraphs piece. Amazing how many on the blog are ready to non-tender Johnson and sign DeRosa.

bravito199

December 7th, 2009
4:12 pm

RC
Link the article

Crazy Trades McGee

December 7th, 2009
4:13 pm

Get Matt Murton on the cheap…

Lew

December 7th, 2009
4:13 pm

Well, some of us are ready to non-tender Kelly, anyway.

RC

December 7th, 2009
4:13 pm

Anthony

December 7th, 2009
4:14 pm

Conor Jackson?? Depends. I don’t know enough about it but he can play first base/left field, which would give us some flexibility. If the diamondbacks are willing to take the majority of Lowe’s contract, I wouldn’t care what we get in return for him. Getting rid of that contract would be enough in my opinion. Although I’m sure getting a decent hitter in return is what Wren is looking for.

bravito199

December 7th, 2009
4:15 pm

CB

December 7th, 2009
4:16 pm

Lew, the Mets- Jackson rumor was shot down.

Jimmy Joe

December 7th, 2009
4:16 pm

Look at the bright side, if Soriano accepts, that means we have Soriano, Vazquez, Wagner, and Saito coming off the books next year at around 30 million dollars. Only Moylan, Diaz, Escobar, Jurrjens, Eric O and Prado are eligible for arbitration. Plus raises to McCann, McLouth, and Infante. But hey, we’ll just need a brand new bullpen again…..maybe offense…….

DiamondbackMac

December 7th, 2009
4:17 pm

macdwolfpack

OJ, when I added DOB to my twitter list it brings down a bunch of tweets. I added Mark Bowman and it did the same thing. Once you’ve read the tweet is there a way to delete it from you list or home page?
I’m really new at this Twitter thing as you can see

You have to go back to Bowman’s site and click on the button with the icon that looks like a sprocket then click on “Unfollow”. The same goes for ajcbraves.

TennesseePaul

December 7th, 2009
4:18 pm

Why not Lowe for Riveria?

Probably rests somewhere in the Angles’ outfield surplus. Trade Riveria, or trade MattHGHews Jr? It might be a stretch but I think the Angels prefer Rivera to MattHGHews Jr.

RC

December 7th, 2009
4:18 pm

In my opinion, Conor Jackson would be a good “buy-low” candidate, but should NOT be counted on as the impact hitter we acquire this offseason. To me he seems a little bit too much like a right-handed Casey Kotchman, with faster legs.

Knox MC

December 7th, 2009
4:19 pm

Just spitballin’ here…. The Nats are looking for a middle infielder and a young arm under club control. Would either party consider a KJ and Medlen for Willingham trade? I would be reluctant to trade Medlen, and I’m not sure how up on Willingham I am, but it seems plausible. Again, just spitballin’…..

P. W. Hjort

December 7th, 2009
4:19 pm

Also, MLBTR says Jenkins has been practicing at first, so he could also spell whoever our 1B ends up being. I’d have Wren or Kemp or whoever go watch him practice, but after that, then I’d say go for it.

Yeah, yeah, but we’d have a guy we could call Genkins. Which is way more important!

RC

December 7th, 2009
4:23 pm

Just spitballin’ here…. The Nats are looking for a middle infielder and a young arm under club control. Would either party consider a KJ and Medlen for Willingham trade? I would be reluctant to trade Medlen, and I’m not sure how up on Willingham I am, but it seems plausible. Again, just spitballin’…..

I would hope that the Braves wouldn’t trade Medlen for Willingham straight up. One is a very good young arm under team control for another 5 years….the other is a mediocre corner outfielder who has 2 more years of arbitration before becoming a free agent. I don’t see it.

ncscoots

December 7th, 2009
4:23 pm

Yeah, yeah, but we’d have a guy we could call Genkins. Which is way more important!

The man has his priorities straight, is what I’m sayin’.

Especially at this time of the year, LOL.

MattyRoss

December 7th, 2009
4:24 pm

Not saying there’s anything to read between the lines there, but those might have been the most lukewarm comments I’ve ever heard from Bobby about Chipper Jones.

AdirondackDave

December 7th, 2009
4:27 pm

Matty Ross — I thought the same thing about Bobby’s comments about Chipper.

P. W. Hjort

December 7th, 2009
4:28 pm

Medlen is an incredibly valuable commodity. More valuable than Jurrjens for me, given his extra year of service (possibly 2 if he spends another month in the minors) and the fact that he’s always had better K and BB rates than Jurrjens. Not to take away from Jurrjens, he’s an extremely valuable commodity, too. But people often under-cut just how much talent and how good of a contract Medlen has.

sidslidkid

December 7th, 2009
4:29 pm

P. W. Hjort “More valuable than Jurrjens”? He’s good, but come on man.

Andy K.

December 7th, 2009
4:30 pm

matt murton went to Japan, so no go there.

Brandon O

December 7th, 2009
4:33 pm

P.W are you on Drugs.

Gthebrave

December 7th, 2009
4:35 pm

wow pw you even watch the braves

Jurrjens4NLCY

December 7th, 2009
4:35 pm

P. W. Hjort,

I’m going to disregard your last post, pal.

Moe Berg

December 7th, 2009
4:36 pm

“Just spitballin’ here…. The Nats are looking for a middle infielder and a young arm under club control. Would either party consider a KJ and Medlen for Willingham trade? I would be reluctant to trade Medlen, and I’m not sure how up on Willingham I am, but it seems plausible. Again, just spitballin’…..”

We already sent them another cast-off of the baby Braves (Langerhans) who worked out abysmally for them. They might be skeptical about another.

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