12:46 am December 7, 2009, by David O'Brien
December 7th, 200911:39 am
I’m starting to think that the Braves should keep all the pitching and go after more. Beat teams that way…. versus sign a bat that probably won’t help all that much.
Yeah, but exactly how many fewer runs allowed do you think that will create? I’m starting to feel redundant a little, but check their RA last year: fewest in a long time. I just don’t see how you can squeeze any more juice from that orange. Gotta have at least one bat, and preferably two, or it’s pretender-not-contender time again.
December 7th, 200911:40 am
Seriously, what a pain in the butt for Wren if Rafy accepts. Wren kind of looks like a moody guy, so I can’t imagine what his mood will be by tomorrow if things turn that way. LOL
December 7th, 200911:41 am
Chris, they have Austin Jackson who they are really high on and could start the year on the big club, and with Cabrera or Gardner as the starting CF, that only leaves one more OF position, It is not irrational to say the Yanks could be shopping Swisher.
Nova Scotia Steve
December 7th, 200911:42 am
Leave Nick Swisher where he’s at! In my opinion that guy is definitely not the answer…not even close
December 7th, 200911:46 am
Nova Scotia Steve-A power hitting, switch hitting First Basement/Outfielder? That’s exactly what we need. Pair that with a Cameron or DeRosa signing and we are sitting pretty.
Hey NS STEVE:
I’m still on LEW’s bandwagon. I like the idea.
Greg in TN
It’s already been a busy offseason for the inhabitants of 755 Hank Aaron Drive, and we haven’t even got the ‘ol hot stove past lukewarm on the temperature scale. The addition of Saito and Wagner certainly brings more game closing experience to the bully and allows the front office to spend the salary difference in signing Gonzo and Soriano elsewhere.
Peter Greenburg’s comments over the weekend on Soriano possibly accepting arbitration have to have raised some eyebrows within the braintrust, although it quite possibly could just be posturing in order to sweeten a free agent deal. Still, crazier things have happened to the Braves this time of year which precipitated Kevin Millwood’s move seven years ago.
Really pleased to see Whitey Herzog and Doug Harvey get their tickets punched to Cooperstown by the Veterans Committee. Herzog constructed and managed the Cardinals to three fall classics in ‘82, ‘85 and ‘87. I believe Harvey to be the best umpire in the game throughout the 70s and 80s. I know of a few arbiters in the sport today that would benefit from taking his approach. Kind of surprised Marvin Miller did not make it from the standpoint of the stature he had in the sport and with the player’s association, and would like to have seen Billy Martin and Ewing Kauffman make the hall.
Nick Swisher's Mom
December 7th, 200911:47 am
Anyone watch Swisher in the World Series? He’s a douche bag, let him stay a Yankee. He’s appreciated there.
December 7th, 200911:48 am
markoSeriously… Mark DeRosa is one of the better free agents available.
i was gonna say “seriously?” but you answered that right in your post. so ill just say…i disagree strongly that derosa is one of the better free agents out there. at least for the braves.
Yep, only put up a .249/.371/.498 like with a .869 OPS, nearly 100 walks and nearly 30 homeruns.
Should would’ve been a lot better option for 2009 than the chorus of “Francoeur will bounce back!” comments we were treated to last offseason here would have you believe. In fact, I dare say, if the Braves started 2009 with Swisher in RF instead of Francoeur; they’d have made the playoffs.
Braves 4 Life
December 7th, 200911:49 am
Nova Scotia Steve- “Leave Nick Swisher where he’s at! In my opinion that guy is definitely not the answer…not even close”
Come on man be open. Dude has played 150+ games the last three seasons and has hit over 22 homers in each of those three seasons. His power has improved each of the last three seasons as well with 22 homers in 07, 24 in 08, and 29 in 09. Yes I know that’s not Cabrera type numbers but he has a contract that is realistic for the Braves and the Yankees have a need for a set-up man and a possible Rivera successor.
December 7th, 200911:50 am
Yep, only put up a .249/.371/.498 line with an .869 OPS, nearly 100 walks and 29 homeruns.
Sure would’ve been a lot better option for 2009 than the chorus of “Francoeur will bounce back!” comments we were treated to last offseason here would have you believe. In fact, I dare say, if the Braves started 2009 with Swisher in RF instead of Francoeur; they’d have made the playoffs.
December 7th, 200911:51 am
Anyone watch Swisher in the World Series?
this is an idiotic reason not to want a player. just completely stupid.
If the Braves trade away pitching they are trading away their only chance to be competitive, slim though it may be. If they trade pitching, they will regret it before mid season – because of an injury or one of the starters not being effective.
December 7th, 200911:53 am
Of all the players that I am hearing mentioned coming to the Braves, I am not hearing enough about Curtis Granderson to the Braves. I would rather have him than Cabrerra. he is a stand up guy that provides speed and power. Something that this lineup needs. Average was down last year, but he missed a portion of the year with an injury. I think that he would be a good fit for this lineup. Question is what would it take to pry him away from the Tigers eventhough he is supposedly available.
December 7th, 200912:00 pm
The last thing the Braves need to do is to acquire a 20-30 HR hitter who does not also have a good BA and OBA. Hitters who are significantly below .300 in BA and below .350 in OBA who are acquired because they hit a few home runs are the most overated thing in baseball. A 20 HR hitter gives you a HR about every 30 times at bat or about every 7 games. Even a 30 HR guy is about every 20 times at bat or about every 5 games. Also, many of these HR from this kind of hitter come in meaningless games – games you are either winning big or losing big; and many come with no one on base. Even more significantly, most of the HR for this low BA, low OBA hitter usully automaticaly come against the weaker pitching in the league – which means their value – their being in meaninful situaitons is significantly limited. We would be much better off with a high BA, high OBA, good clutch hitter regardless of HR production.
December 7th, 200912:02 pm
Javier Vazquez + $$ for Adam Dunn!!! Get it done Wren!!!!!
I would rather have Frenchy or Churchy than a 35 yr Mark DeRosa. Marcus Giles can probably still outplay DeRosa. LOL.
Nick Swisher? This guy is a downgrade from Frenchy. Agree – Leave him up in NY.
ncscoots – I agree, we can pitch ‘em to death, but last time I checked the winner of a baseball game was still the one with the highest nos of RUNS, not that with the lowest ERA, WHIP, runs givn up etc
if you lose 1-0 for 90 games you still LOSE
we need 2 bats to at least give some boost to McCann and Chipper
December 7th, 200912:03 pm
donThe last thing the Braves need to do is to acquire a 20-30 HR hitter who does not also have a good BA and OBA.
i dont think anybody mentioned a player like that. nick swisher was mentioned, though. dude has a very good OBP, though he does hit for a low average. OBP is way more important though.
I wish I cared more about this Soriano drama but its really not all that important.
If he accepts, the Braves have more options.
If he declines, we’ll get draft picks…woohoo
Lets move on to something more interesting, like say offense and homeruns. This Bruney and Swisher to the Braves for Lowe rumor. Not bad, but I don’t think Swisher is the answer here in Atlanta. He’s good and a power bat but i doubt we’ll be winning any world series with him as our 4 hitter
It can be a pretty bumpy ride at Mr. JEFFERSON’s University.
Especially considering Virginia gets to travel out west and play at USC for our home opener next season…Welcome to big time college football Mr. London
December 7th, 200912:04 pm
dogsbrekky – just saw your question about New Orleans… you should hit Pat O’Briens on Bourbon Street and Cafe Du Monde on Decatur St. (across from Jackson Square). Those are “must do” when in the Big Easy. Enjoy, though family tells me it’s pretty chilly and rainy there right now.
December 7th, 200912:05 pm
Wow, there are some really interesting trade proposals being posted this morning. And by interesting i mean terrible.
December 7th, 200912:09 pm
All those who want Adam Dunn so bad consider this: If he was that great, then why were the Nationals still that bad. I understand his HR and walk numbers impress you all, but I would much rather get two 20-30 HR hitters added over just one Dunn. Braves should be thinking multiple players to aid the offense, not just one big splash… Course this is just my opinion.
DOB- Do you see the possiblity that the Braves make any significant move while Soriano’s agent is holding the club hostage?
It doesn’t seem likely that Wren can do much of anything with his hands tied with this mess.
December 7th, 200912:10 pm
Ken Rosenthal: Braves on verge of Acquiring Adrian Gonzalez
December 7th, 200912:13 pm
I know its been said that we are interested in Willingham but that the Nats wanted a big return for him. Any ideas on what it would take to land him?
December 7th, 200912:14 pm
I asked a boss at the insurance company home office where I worked as a young man why he left the agency his father had founded in a small western Virginia town. He replied, “I decided to be a little fish in a big pond rather than a big fish in a little pond.” I was always of the big fish in a little pond mentality, and left as soon as I had the opportunity to start my own business. Unfortunately I was not gifted athletically otherwise, I would have taken one of the FCS jobs and had it till I retired. But that’s just me. I never had any money anyway so $400,000 a year in hand would trump 2 million in the bush anytime as far as I’m concerned.
The deadline to accept arbitration is midnight EST tonight- Soriano has to make up his mind by then so it won’t be an issue much longer (at least if he declines…)
I’ve been Rick Rolled.
December 7th, 200912:15 pm
Well played, Scott S.
December 7th, 200912:16 pm
LOL Scott S. you got me.
I actually believed that Gonzalez link for a second…
December 7th, 200912:17 pm
N8, I didn’t believe it for a second, but I had to click on it anyway. Well played, Scott.
December 7th, 200912:18 pm
Can’t say I disagree with you- although it is a great opportunity for London (who, in the interest of full disclosure, I know nothing about) to show what he can do- with very little pressure to “win now” (interestingly, according to what little I could find of Virginia’s 2010 schedule, they play at Richmond at some point…that should be an interesting game
DOB, About a year ago, a family friend who is also friends with the Kastens told me the Kastens kept their Atlanta home. Maybe that was why Kasten was on your flight from Atlanta.
KC, I didn’t really either. But it takes to seconds to click it. I actually think the “Rick Rolled” thing is a hoot. Never gets old.
Wayne in Utah
December 7th, 200912:19 pm
That sucks man……
Scott S – well played, sir.
Scott S – Well played sir. Well played.
Knowing how Bobby uses his bullpen, having Soriano return might not be such a bad idea. Bobby could spread the heavy work between four relievers instead of three and keep them all a little fresher for the stretch run. Of course, the offense might have to make do with a cheaper alternative at 1st base and LF, but pitching is still the name of the game.
December 7th, 2009
All those who want Adam Dunn so bad consider this: If he was that great, then why were the Nationals still that bad. I understand his HR and walk numbers impress you all, but I would much rather get two 20-30 HR hitters added over just one Dunn. Braves should be thinking multiple players to aid the offense, not just one big splash… Course this is just my opinion
Have you SEEN the NATIONALS regularly as those of us in the mid-ATLANTIC market are blessed to do? It’s enough to make you puke. Brings back memories of the RICHMOND BRAVES when TED TURNER first bought the organization in the mid-seventies. They stink.
December 7th, 200912:20 pm
December 7th, 200912:21 pm
redstickAll those who want Adam Dunn so bad consider this: If he was that great, then why were the Nationals still that bad.
um…12 great reasons…the nationals pitching staff. hey, if adrian gonzalez is any good, why are the padres so bad?
I’m making no attempt to disguise this… cuz I’m too lazy. But here is my favorite:
December 7th, 200912:23 pm
You sir are an A-Hole!
Never come back!
Heard the Braves have inquired about Josh Willingham, but there doesn’t seem to be much common ground. – Bill Shanks (braves.scout.com) via twitter
December 7th, 200912:24 pm
Rick Astley within an hour of waking up… I will not forget this, Scott. My day is ruined!
Dunn won’t happen. I seriously doubt that the Nats would deal him in the division. We missed on Dunn last year when he was a free agent.
NC Braves Fan
December 7th, 200912:26 pm
Scott S: there is a tiny corner of hell that is being specially heated for you, sir.
December 7th, 200912:27 pm
Yawn at this internet “rick rolling” bs. Can’t get anymore lamer than that. Oh wait…it’s supposed to be funny. Little kids these days.
December 7th, 200912:32 pm
David, do you have a Twitter account?
Why were the Nationals bad? Did you watch any of their games last year? It wasnt because of Dunn. Maybe it had to do with something their team era being above 5 and their bullpen being one of the worst in baseball.
December 7th, 200912:34 pm
The only funny thing about a rick roll is the clip from Family Guy.
December 7th, 200912:37 pm
11:29am: Heyman notes that Soriano has attracted interest from the Yankees, Orioles, and Astros. The Yankees would give up their #32 pick, the Orioles #37, or the Astros #43.
December 7th, 200912:38 pm
DOB I thought the Falcons have had back to back winning seasons, its the playoffs they’ve never reached 2 years in a row is it not?
December 7th, 200912:40 pm
I thought that the lower you were in the standings, the higher your draft pick was the next year. I dont get how if Soriano signed with the Orioles we would only get their #37 pick, or with the Astros, their #43
December 7th, 200912:41 pm
Jair Jurrjens for Adrian Gonzalez, straight up.
December 7th, 200912:42 pm
OJ if you are one of the bottom 15 your first round is protected.
as draft picks seem to become more valuable I wonder if we will see more of a player accepting arbitration and then being traded for something less than a first round draft pick
It would not surprise me if teams told Soriano and his agent that his value is less since they would have to also give up a 1st round pick. They could even potentially work out a 2-3 year deal or agree to accept the arbitration number if Soriano agrees to arbitration with the Braves and then the Braves trade Soriano.
It would not surprise me at all if the Yankees told Soriano to do this very thing. They could go to the Braves and say we will trade you Bruney or you can be on the hook for an $8 million/year 6-7th inning middle reliever.
I believe we would get the Astros or Orioles second rounder plus an extra compensation pick
December 7th, 200912:43 pm
Because their top 15 pick is protected. You can’t get a draft pick if it is in the top 15 of the draft. If that is the case, you get the sandwich pick and the signing team’s 2nd round draft pick.
December 7th, 200912:44 pm
any chance the Braves trade Vazquez for a bat then also trade Derek Lowe and his salary? I guess that would put Medlen as the 5th starter which would significantly weaken our starting rotation.
December 7th, 200912:48 pm
Brian – “any chance the Braves trade Vazquez for a bat then also trade Derek Lowe and his salary? I guess that would put Medlen as the 5th starter which would significantly weaken our starting rotation.”
A rotation of Jurrjens, Husdon, Hanson, Kawakami and Medlen is definitely not as strong as one with EITHER Lowe/Vasquez.
Just my opinion…its still exremetly good. Just not a strong I don’t believe.
wouldnt be surprised to see soriano accept arb, then have his agent tell wren he’d accept a trade. hey…that could work out in our favor, actually.
December 7th, 200912:49 pm
So yeah I agree with you Brian…definitely not as strong.
Ohhhh, thats right. Thanks guys for the info.
DOB’S twitter acct. @ajcbraves
December 7th, 200912:54 pm
“I thought that the lower you were in the standings, the higher your draft pick was the next year. I dont get how if Soriano signed with the Orioles we would only get their #37 pick, or with the Astros, their #43″
If a team has a top 15 pick you do not get their first round pick
Random thats a joke…. right?
I think Braves should trade Vazqeus to Cubs for Milton Bradley. He is a switch hitter and would do well under Cox. Another option would be Vazqeus or Lowe for Vernon Wells. Who’s on board with me?
Rob - in pain (from SC)
December 7th, 200912:55 pm
Can we all act like grownups today and only post legit rumors/signings/trades.
Vazquez for Vernon Wells
You should be banned for that comment
Not that I really want either one but Wells is much better than Bradley. Bradley to me doesn’t mesh well with the Braves.
December 7th, 200912:56 pm
Maybe we an trade our entire starting staff for bats and middle relievers and pay games one inning at a time.
You’re just doing this to aggravate people. There is no way you could really want the Braves to do something like that.
Andrew in PA
December 7th, 200912:57 pm
any team that might want lowe would want joe blanton now instead because hes making 10mill less
If the Blue Jays could get ANYONE to take on Wells and his heavily back end loaded contract…they would not do it in exchange for another large contract such as Lowe’s.
Although to VW’s credit he played the entire year with a injured wrist…(he hurt in Spring Training) and played through it. So he had offseason surgury…we’ll see if he has a bounce back year..but the guy simply can’t stay healthy. Looking back to the last 3 years since he signed that massive contract.
December 7th, 200912:58 pm
nats get brian bruney
…And I completely ignored the Milton Bradley comment
December 7th, 20091:01 pm
@12:58 nova scotia steve
December 7th, 20091:03 pm
You dont trade Vazquez for potential. You trade him for a guy that is going to hit 30 homers and drive in over 100. No way do the braves even consider trading for Bradley. I would trade for Pat Burrell before Bradley.
December 7th, 20091:04 pm
Yankees/Nats trade, no details other than Bruney to the Nats though
December 7th, 20091:05 pm
I seriously doubt that Vazquez or Lowe will net a 30+ HR and 100 RBI guy. Better hope we can at least get a 25 HR guy.
December 7th, 20091:06 pm
“A rotation of Jurrjens, Husdon, Hanson, Kawakami and Medlen is definitely not as strong as one with EITHER Lowe/Vasquez….Just my opinion…its still exremetly good. Just not a strong I don’t believe.” NSC
No doubt about it. But the question is, is an extremely good rotation with a greatly improved lineup (assuming lineup could be improved by moving both Lowe and Vazquez), better than a stronger than extremely good rotation, with the same week lineup from early last year?
December 7th, 20091:09 pm
Redstick – re NOLA – thanks, I had Cafe du Monde on a short list and a place called GW Fins and ACME Oyster
will try Pat OBriens – brilliant
December 7th, 20091:10 pm
My 2 cents on the Soriano arbitration thing…
Who knows what could happen, but … why would you drag out accepting arbitration until right up to the deadline unless you were hoping for a better offer? If he really is ready to accept arbitration, then accept it already!
Once the deadline passes, Soriano and his agent lose a little bit of leverage: that putative $8.5M salary that they might get in arbitration.
If Soriano can get his deal before the arb deadline, he probably gets a little sweeter deal than if he waits until after the deadline.
December 7th, 20091:11 pm
Vazquez for Ty Wiggington, Luke Scott
December 7th, 20091:12 pm
No way the Braves trade both Lowe & Vazquez. They don’t need to for one, and two it would weaken the starting staff. The Braves’ moves this offseason will most likely follow the “master plan” they’ve been hinting at for a while —
Heyward, Freeman and (possibly) Schafer to the big club in 2010 and 2011. Those are your long term “big bats.” So the offensive help they get for 2010 is most likely to be modest FA or trade acquisitions.
Going the youth route allows the Braves to do the following:
1 – Keep either Lowe or preferably Vazquez (you could extend JV if you keep him).
2 – Lock up Jurrjens for a few years. His arb years are dead ahead.
3 – Have enough payroll flexibility to handle bullpen and other issues as they arise.
They’ve already got Huddy signed for three more years. So the SP would be solid for years to come.
It’s not as exciting as getting a Gonzalez from SD or someone like that this year, but for a mid-market team the above blueprint gives the Braves the best chance to solidly compete for the next five or more years.
The Nats had a respectable offense–they sucked b/c their pitching was abyssmal. As for 1 Dunn vs. 2 good hitters, we could still afford to add another decent hitter after a trade for Dunn (if Soriano declines, which I’m 99% sure he will)…
December 7th, 20091:13 pm
P’cola i’d rather have dye then wiggington
December 7th, 20091:14 pm
Wigginton and Scott could fill two of our three voids. OF and Corner IF for the bench, plus Wigginton can PH.
It’s nowhere near Indianapolis, but how about Indianola by Charlie Robison?
December 7th, 20091:17 pm
I know you are well aware of this….but on the offense/starting rotation subject.
I like the really strong rotation approach.
I think we have to look at having Prado and McLouth in our line-ups to begin the season…and how that will benefit us.
I think that’s going to make a significant difference in how our offense is made up…plus if we can add a say Mike Cameron or Josh Willingham in the outfield and a Conor Jackson, Lyle Overbay, Adam LaRoche type guy at 1b.
I think we are en extremely dangerous ballclub.
just moved from new orleans after 8 years of living in the city.
my suggestion: take a night and go uptown to jacque imos and the maple leaf bar.
jacque imo’s: one of the best authentic new orleans cuisine out there with a relaxed atmosphere.
maple leaf bar: best music bar in new orleans and its right next door to jacque imos. call beforehand to make sure music is playing that night.
gw fins: yes
pat o’s: piano bar…yes
cafe du monde: overrated, but yes
depending on your age, i would suggest to go the the “gold mine” late at night, if you’re there on a weekend. order a flaming dr. pepper, play some vintage video games, and dance your ass off.
December 7th, 20091:18 pm
“P’cola i’d rather have dye then wiggington”
I’d rather have diarrhea than either. Dye is gonna cost the Braves severely as Garrett Anderson’s fielding did last year. I can count at least 3 games I watched where Garrett’s lack luster fielding allowed more runs to score than what should have, and the Braves lose a close game after a solid pitching effort by their starters.
I vote if we sign Dye and he doesn’t play 1b, we put McLouth in Left Center, Heyward/Diaz in Right center and get a lawn chair in foul territory in left field so Dye can continue to rest but still be on the field with his team…save a lot of runs that way
Less pictures of Mr. Maddux and more of Miss Cruz.
You really have to go here: http://www.tipitinas.com/
December 7th, 20091:19 pm
I threw Scott out as a LF and Wigginton as a Bench/Role player. He can play both 3rd and 1st so that would work nicely. Both would cost about 7-8 mil in total.
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