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KC
December 9th, 2009
12:10 pm
NC Braves Fan, yes I know that Delgado did what he did in protest of the war in Iraq. I have no problem at all with anyone being anti-war.
BUT, refusing to stand for the national anthem shows disrespect to this nation as a whole, and to everyone that has fought and died to provide him with an opportunity to come here and make millions of dollars playing a kids’ game.
F’ him.
Lew
December 9th, 2009
12:10 pm
Lowell has missed 50 games in each of his past two seasons. Why are y’all so damned intent on signing players with huge injury histories? Didn’t you get enough of that in the Hampton era?
owl hunter
December 9th, 2009
12:11 pm
Did someone suggest Kotchman? Really?!? Some of you will just settle for anything. Why don’t we just dig up Scott Thorman while we’re at it. Perhaps Charles Thomas can solve our LF problem. Jeez!
shmoe
December 9th, 2009
12:11 pm
Lowell would hit 10 homeruns playing at the Ted. NO NO NO!
chris
December 9th, 2009
12:11 pm
gotta pay and be a member so news that have already been out for a day, yup, that’s ESPN for you
CB
December 9th, 2009
12:12 pm
OK,Lew, whatever.
Jay Dub
December 9th, 2009
12:12 pm
Dob – Yes … the winter in Illinois/Indiana is always like this all winter. And I hope you enjoy a nice breeze … because it’s comin’.
Lew
December 9th, 2009
12:13 pm
Not only missed 50 games in each of the past two years, but makes $12 million this year.
Nova Scotia Steve - #40
December 9th, 2009
12:13 pm
No thank you to Lowell…or Delgado…
Carlos has lost a lot of bat speed…he’s a gamble as well…but a gamble that may be worth it…I just don’t really like how many gamble’s we’re (could be) taking.
Wagner? Saito? Nady? Lowell? Delgado?
Although Delgado and Loweel are just blog talk and speculation amongst us…I don’t think there’s actually been any linkage to the Braves…(just throught I would clarify)
ugaaccountant
December 9th, 2009
12:14 pm
NC Braves Fan
December 9th, 2009
11:55 am
On Miguel Cabrera – would you rather have him now and risk having to trade Jurrjens down the line … or would you rather get a modest 1B, wait for Freeman to arrive and extend Jurrjens for a few years?
Resigning Jurrjens is the least of my worries right now. With Boras as his agent, I want no part of that negotiation coming off such a statistically great season. He’d be asking for 15M a year for any extension years based on his stats so far. Maybe even more as Boras is pretty ambitious.
Tiger Woods
December 9th, 2009
12:14 pm
You guys would really want Delgado? Who knows if the guy can stay healthy for more than a month. I think Nady would be solid in this lineup if we can get him at a reasonable price. That would be my vote!
NC Braves Fan
December 9th, 2009
12:14 pm
KC & TnBrian: I think those are reasonable positions as well, although I happen to disagree with them.
I see a distinction between being anti-war and anti-American, and think the anti-war stance was Delgado’s overall point.
owl hunter
December 9th, 2009
12:15 pm
Lew
Absolutely right on about Cabrera. From a baseball standpoint, he won’t be worth the money he’ll be making at the end of that awful Dumbrowski contract.
NC Braves Fan
December 9th, 2009
12:16 pm
For the rescord: I would rather we not sign Delgado – I think we need a two-year option at 1B, and there’s too much risk with him in my book.
KC
December 9th, 2009
12:16 pm
Moe Berg, by that logic… why should personal character EVER affect a baseball decision?
Maybe it shouldn’t. I don’t know. I’m just saying that, personally, I don’t want to see him in a Braves uniform. You can hate Bush, a particular war, war in general… whatever. But he didn’t insult a President or merely protest a war… he insulted this country and everything it stands for by refusing to honor the national anthem.
Perhaps that wasn’t his intention, but that’s what he did. And I may have missed it, but I’m not aware of any apology from him for what he did.
David O'Brien
December 9th, 2009
12:16 pm
NEW BLOGGAGE . Brrrr … it’s freezing here.
ugaaccountant
December 9th, 2009
12:18 pm
Tiger Woods
December 9th, 2009
12:14 pm
You guys would really want Delgado? Who knows if the guy can stay healthy for more than a month. I think Nady would be solid in this lineup if we can get him at a reasonable price. That would be my vote!
Nady is as big of a health risk as Delgado, maybe more so.
NC Braves Fan
December 9th, 2009
12:18 pm
ugaaccountant: Jurrjens likes it here and is arb-eligible in 2011. I think if the Braves can lock him up for a few years heading into next year they should (a la the McCann contract).
ugaaccountant
December 9th, 2009
12:19 pm
The reason character matters is ticket sales matter. People don’t like to support athletes that are a88holes. Get too many on a team and fans stop coming to the games.
owl hunter
December 9th, 2009
12:20 pm
If I were to take a gamble on a first baseman, I’d go with Nady. At least he’s not 70 years old. This holiday season, I’m thankful that none of you Lowell/ Delgado fans are our gm.
ugaaccountant
December 9th, 2009
12:20 pm
NC Braves Fan – I’m just saying that the extension figures for Jurrjens will already be quite high. His stats to date are an agents dream.
jtb
December 9th, 2009
12:20 pm
Excluding last year, the fewest games Delgado had played in since 1996 was 128. In 2006 he played in 144 games, in 2007 he played in 139 games, and in 2008 he played in 159 games. So while last year could be the sign of things to come, he has been healthy and produced solid numbers every other season.
KC
December 9th, 2009
12:24 pm
NC Braves Fan, I understand what Delgado’s point was, and I don’t begrudge him for it in the slightest. It wasn’t his point that I found insulting, it was the way he chose to express it.
What is the national anthem? What does it mean to salute that flag?
It is a show of respect and honor for all that America stands for… not a show of support for every last policy a sitting President (or any other elected official) happens to be enacting at the time.
And if standing for the national anthem is a show of respect and appreciation for what America stands for, and all who have fought and died for it… then NOT standing is the opposite of respect and appreciation for those things. It’s dishonor and disrespect.
If Delgado came out and said “I believe the Iraq was is wrong, but I love this country, and I chose the wrong way to express my opposition to this war. I apologize”… all would be forgotten in my book. But again, I’m not aware of any such contrition on his part.
NC Braves Fan
December 9th, 2009
12:28 pm
KC: well that’s kind of the point. That was Delgado’s method of protest. You think that makes him wrong and in need of apologizing and that’s fine.
But he thinks he’s right and that’s an appropriate means of protest apparently.
I’d rather have someone like that on the team than a Rocker or a Miggy Cabrera.
monty
December 9th, 2009
12:40 pm
Lew
monty-whether or not the current focus is on trading Lowe as opposed to Vazquez, there would have been zero reason to shop him when you claimed they should. Putting him on the market at the trade deadline, with the Braves playing their best ball of the entire season and playing at a pace equal to the best teams in baseball, fighting for a playoff spot, would have been dumb as all hell. It would have been a tacit admission we didn’t have a chance and were giving up, instead of coming with a couple games of pulling off a miracle..
Lew,
I believe you misread my post. My point was not about trading before the deadline, as I mentioned about finding out if Hudson would be healthy..etc…it was moving Lowe in the offseason that I caught all the grief about. The very thing the headlines are about today. Not that I would have minded moving Lowe at the deadline.
For all who think Lowe had a good year, and he did W-L wise. Lowe’s 2nd half stats: slugging-.505 OPS -.888 OBP -.383 BA -.325
KC
December 9th, 2009
1:05 pm
NC Braves Fan, well… we’ll have to agree to disagree.
I don’t think disrespecting the country as a whole is the right way to protest a war or the policies of an administration. He can say he hates the war and/or Bush all he wants off the field. But refusing to stand for the national anthem dishonoring everything our nation is and stands for… that’s something else entirely.
How different would it have been had he burned an American flag? Not much different, in my view. It’s the exact same principal. To burn the flag to protest a war is to dishonor our county and all who fight or have fought/died to give it to us. Anyone has a legal right to be an idiot, but it’s morally abhorrent… especially for someone who has come here from another country and has enjoyed the blessings of this nation to the degree that he has.
ncscoots
December 9th, 2009
1:46 pm
How different would it have been had he burned an American flag? Not much different, in my view. It’s the exact same principal. To burn the flag to protest a war is to dishonor our county and all who fight or have fought/died to give it to us.
Luckily, the men and women who actually have stood on the wall for this country did it to protect numbnuts of all stripes, both those who sit during the national anthem and those who berate them for it.
Frankly, you don’t have a clue about what this nation is and what it stands for, or the people who have put lives at risk to defend it. I like you, man, but the only “morally abhorrent” stink is coming off that post, from its clear lack of understanding about the Constitution Of The United States.
Darin
December 9th, 2009
2:32 pm
Astro fan here, and just skimming through to see Braves Fan take on the Soriano trade. I see people talking about Carlos Lee and just wanted to point out that he has a full NTC until after the season. He took less money from the Astros than what the Giants offered him so he could be closer to his ranch where he raises cattle. He’s also stated in the past the he will not waive his NTC under any circumstance.
Lance Berkman and Roy Oswalt also have full NTC, but both have said before that they’d waive them if it meant going to a contender. I’m not sure Drayton would be willing to trade either though…
sidslidkid
December 9th, 2009
5:08 pm
Darin, I don’t think the Braves expect to get too much back for Soriano and Lowe. Hopefully It’s a salary dump with a decent prospect or good bench player in return.
KC
December 9th, 2009
6:19 pm
nscoots: “Frankly, you don’t have a clue about what this nation is and what it stands for
What an insulting thing to say… and pretty moronic considering it’s based on an apparent complete misunderstanding of what I said. I would expect better from you.
Why don’t you actually read what I wrote. I FULLY understand that everyone who has fought for this country has done it to protect everyone’s right to speak their mind. I believe Carlos Delgado – or any one else – has EVERY right to sit during the national anthem. Anyone in this country can burn a flag (and they SHOULD have that right), because that’s part of the freedom that makes this country great.
If someone disrespects this country by intentionally sitting during the national anthem, turning their back on the flag, or burning one… they are well within their rights to do so. When did I EVER say otherwise? That is constitutionally protected expression, and I think that’s just how it should be.
I just happen to think that anyone who dishonors this country and all is stands for… is a jerk. Simply put, that’s what I’m trying to say. There are many things that are constitutionally protected that are, in the view of many, morally abhorrent. If you disagree, that’s fine.
I think Delgado is a jerk for disrespecting this country as he did, in my opinion. If you think I’m a jerk for feeling that way, so be it. But in the future, please read what a person has written more closely before you insult a person to that degree… especially when you’re insulting someone for something they never even said.
bob
December 9th, 2009
6:24 pm
it is tough to correct past wrongs…the tex trade is still hurting the team….braves gave up too much to get tex for part of a season…and last year braves had to overpay for pitching to offest the glavine smoltz situation.
hopefully, soriano and lowe will go and braves will get a few decent prospects….the extra money should be enough to get holliday for left field….after all braves will need to deal with boros someday
Ronald Millsaps
December 9th, 2009
9:49 pm
“ncscoots”– Actually, if someone’s going to disrespect our country, that person doesn’t deserve to reside here, period.
I guess all the MSNBC/Family Guy/The View imbeciles with all of their delusion and willful ignorance will come out of the woodwork now. Who cares? Ever notice how inconsistent those people are, folks? They say nothing when person A makes an insane comment, in vulgar fashion, no less, and then come out and attack person B without an ounce of objectivity or reason, and if the debate gets heated, they “moderate” in the least-consistent way possible, and I do mean “least-consistent.”
Barack Obama needs to be called to task immediately. Why wait until 2012 to portray him as being what he is?
Ronald Millsaps
December 9th, 2009
10:04 pm
I really think we should make a push for B.J. Upton. Here’s a guy whose stock is low now but who has a huge upside.
I don’t like the idea of cutting ties with Martin Prado or Kelly Johnson. Since his 2005 arrival, Kelly has torn the cover off the ball many times in ways that indicate glimpses of a true power-numbers hitter. His lack of playing time and mixed identities with the team have hurt him.
Ronald Millsaps
December 9th, 2009
10:13 pm
As for Martin Prado, he’s outstanding and has been for some time now and was, as Chipper stated, the team’s MVP last season.
If we don’t re-sign Adam LaRoche and if we do acquire Ben Zobrist, we could move Prado to third, Zobrist to second and Chipper to first. Having brainstormed this idea, I don’t necessarily like it. Chipper is indeed a Gold Glover at third, and Prado is excellent at second and provides an amazing amount of intangibles.
NFL– Vince Young’s performance this season is no surprise to me at all. Why? He took his career more seriously when realizing that Kerry Collins indeed replaced him, and he worked toward regaining his job, his career, and respect. He has succeeded and gives the Titans the gel that fits their team perfectly.
Carson Palmer said before the year that, for the first time, he had a locker room of teammates who took pride in their crafts. After reading that very comment, I expected them to have this kind of season.
As for the Falcons, I did expect a Matt Ryan sophomore slump, but the overall product simply has not been very good. Injuries and free-agent departures aside, what we see on the field should be better.
As good as the undefeated teams are, there are many teams capable of knocking them off. Look at San Diego, for example. Shawne Merriman always has gotten to Peyton Manning, and Philip Rivers has shown better poise in the playoffs than Manning has. He also has outplayed him the last two years in the playoffs.
Green Bay and Minnesota have excellent chances of beating the Saints.
Nova Scotia Steve
December 9th, 2009
11:50 pm
This was like like the Seinfeld Winter Meetings today…But DOB you’re doing a great job my man…i’ve missed coming on this blog since the season ended.
I’m just not into throwing out wild trade rumors/scenarios….and it can only lead to tensions on this blog sometime….but i have missed the humor….not gunna lie.
So i have a couple of questions…Do you think Matt Diaz will see regular time in 2010 or are we looking at another platoon situation?
And are there any LaRoche rumors going around…I haven’t heard a thing???
MitchC
December 10th, 2009
10:45 am
Okay, so Soriano is gone, which I know FW needed to do. He basically traded Raffy for any available body he could find. Now we have to hope that Frank can trade Lowe to get us the hitter we need.
BRAVE DUDE
December 10th, 2009
1:19 pm
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BRAVE DUDE
December 10th, 2009
1:25 pm
The braves are back too giving our good players away!!!for nothing!!They maybe will be a .500 team if there lucky!!!Thanks BRAVES
BRAVE DUDE
December 10th, 2009
1:27 pm
OH and AJC deleted my FIRST POST…WTF
panama city beach mike
December 10th, 2009
3:50 pm
when we start trading a Sariano for an unknown, we are saying we don’t plan to be a contender anymore.
Xalz
December 10th, 2009
4:49 pm
Hello again Dave, I hope you are having a safe flight home. Thanks for the insider coverage at the Winter Meetings.
Like many of us – I was hoping we might find some way to keep Soriano or package him with other players for a great trade. Oh well… now we are on the waiting game to see how the rest of starting squad for 2010 fills out. Xavier nady would be my FA choice over Cameron. I just do not see what everyone likes about Cameron besides defense and fielding does not meet our needs.
I will hold out hope we pull a trade for Adrain Gonzalez and that Jason Heyward makes the adjustment to the Bigs immediately and in a big way! Here’s to the 2010 playoffs and the Braves putting up another pennant.
Stinky
December 10th, 2009
7:53 pm
Jeff Reardon.
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