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nolie
December 2nd, 2009
11:45 pm
Sure Anders you live 750 miles away and visit the board once in a while but you think you have all the answers that pertain to the Braves. Whatever
P'cola Brave
December 2nd, 2009
11:48 pm
If the phillies sign Polanco who becomes the leading candidate for Derosa. His price tag must be kinda high. He keeps seeming to be overlooked.
stynes
December 2nd, 2009
11:48 pm
For those asking about the draft picks… the Braves give their 1 first round pick to the Red Sox because of signing Wagner. The Red Sox also get a sandwich pick. This pick happens between the first and second rounds and does NOT come from the Braves.
Additionally, should Gonzo and Sori sign elsewhere, the Braves will get 1 first round pick from each team that signs them and 2 sandwich picks. So while they’re giving up a pick to get Wagner, they’ll get 2 back for Gonzo and Sori so they’ll still be at net +1 (1 first round and 1 sandwich pick).
There are 2 caveats to the whole process. 1) If the 1st round pick you give up for signing someone is a “protected” pick meaning one of the first 15 overall picks then you keep your 1st round pick and the team instead gets an additional sandwich pick (though not from you) and then gets your 2nd round pick the following year. 2) If you sign 2 type A free agents and have to forfeit multiple picks then the team giving up the highest rated free agent gets your 1st round pick and the next team gets your 2nd round pick. At least I think that’s the way it works. That’s why the Red Sox were saying they’ll get the #19 (or #20, whatever it is) overall pick from the Braves unless the Braves sign a A free agent ranked higher than Wagner. In that case, the team losing that FA would get the #19/20 pick and the Red Sox get the Braves second round pick.
Hopefully that was as clear as mud.
Anders
December 2nd, 2009
11:50 pm
I think it stems from the fact that they have had one of the highest payrolls last few seasons(which tend to make things a little easier) and they only have the one playoff appearance in 2006. (Jake W)
They were within a whisker of three straight division titles. Minaya delivered the players to get them there. That’s his job. How he did it was not the discussion. being dissapointed with the front office was. Not sure how any Met fan could be dissappointed with what the front office delivered 2006 through 2008. Those teams were right there. Last year was an anomoly.
richbrave
December 2nd, 2009
11:52 pm
nolie:
Well, ANDERS is right about my being in a dark room – alone, heh ,heh ,heh.
nolie
December 2nd, 2009
11:52 pm
s for the Javy thing I’d say you are making a very small deal out of a common occurrence Anders
richbrave
December 2nd, 2009
11:58 pm
P’cola Brave
December 2nd, 2009
11:04 pm
Vazquez next contract will be his last big one. I know he has said he would take a paycut to stay in Atlanta but what kind of paycut is the question. I think we can get more for him than Lowe and Lowe will probably put up the better numbers.
Under no circumstances would I prefer to retain LOWE over VASQUEZ.
Anders
December 2nd, 2009
11:59 pm
Uh oh, Nolie and RichBrave are Thelma and Louiseing me.
nolie
December 3rd, 2009
12:00 am
Well, ANDERS is right about my being in a dark room – alone, heh ,heh ,heh Rich
I’ve never said he was wrong all the time. He is right some times and I am willing to give him credit when that happens, but he tries to blow it up into such a big deal that it ends up being irritating, which is likely the intended result anyway. He’s like K Law though, he gets so married to his own theories that he thinks he’s always right, which produces great entertainment value when someone argues against him.I’m certainly not one arguing against his presence here
richbrave
December 3rd, 2009
12:02 am
So MOYLAN’s a righty? And BILLY W’s a lefty? Will these two become our closers, or will PETER stay an seventh/eighth inning specialist? Guess it depends on whether MFIKY remains a BRAVE. Chances of that appear slim.
Anders
December 3rd, 2009
12:02 am
Sure Anders you live 750 miles away and visit the board once in a while but you think you have all the answers that pertain to the Braves. (Nolie)
You’re over estimating me good sir. I have no idea if they will carry a third catcher or not at this point.
MZ
December 3rd, 2009
12:03 am
DOB —-
plannin on seeing Mac McAnally in Hattiesburg on Friday … hope he’s as good as it sounds like Shaver was
richbrave
December 3rd, 2009
12:03 am
nolie:
I’m with you on that. Just trying to irritate ANDERS a little. He’s pretty decent most days.
richbrave
December 3rd, 2009
12:04 am
DIAZ is the third catcher, and he will be on the 25 man.
Anders
December 3rd, 2009
12:05 am
Is this what it feels like to be dead? You’re staring up out of the casket and you can hear what everyone is saying about you?
richbrave
December 3rd, 2009
12:07 am
Thelma and Louise:
ANDERS are you stealing money from the motel-room AGAIN!!!!
Anders
December 3rd, 2009
12:07 am
DIAZ is the third catcher, and he will be on the 25 man. (RichBrave)
Crap! Now what am I gonna do until opening day?
richbrave
December 3rd, 2009
12:08 am
ANDERS:
Didn’t realize he had first-hand experience as the object of a wake.
nolie
December 3rd, 2009
12:09 am
hey Rich, do you hear a squeaky little voice coming from that casket over there? No? I guess I an just imagining things. Too bad about Anders, huh? Wasn’t very knowledgeable though he thought he knew everything, but he prolly didn’t deserve to be buried alive…maybe.
Gone Viral
December 3rd, 2009
12:09 am
“plannin on seeing Mac McAnally in Hattiesburg on Friday”
One of the first gifts my wife gave me was an autographed copy of his CD. I was too embarrassed to tell her I had no idea who it was until years later. Every time he comes on Radio Margaritaville now, she taunts me about it. She has hung out with him a couple of times in Key West and says he’s a hilarious guy.
richbrave
December 3rd, 2009
12:10 am
ANDERS:
Dude, it’s been fun, but gotta’ pull —- the plug on this zest-fest. Later.
N8
December 3rd, 2009
12:10 am
Braves don’t care about draft picks, so when Soriano and Gonzo both sign elsewhere and the Braves receive 4 picks for them doing so (two sandwhich picks between 1st and 2nd round – along with the possibility of the other two picks being 1st round picks), will you rename your blog name to read:
“Braves don’t caret about their bullpen”
Oh wait. They’ve signed Billy Wagner to help out in the pen. Guess you’ll just have to go with “I’m a douche”.
Nick in PA
December 3rd, 2009
12:12 am
DOB,
What happens if the Braves sign another type A free agent, since their already giving their 1st round pick to the Sox?
Gone Viral
December 3rd, 2009
12:16 am
“What happens if the Braves sign another type A free agent, since their already giving their 1st round pick to the Sox?”
If said free agent is ranked lower than Wagner, that team gets the second round pick of the Braves. If he is ranked higher than Wagner, that team gets our first round pick and Boston gets the second round pick from Atlanta.
P'cola Brave
December 3rd, 2009
12:17 am
Did Texieria sign at the meetings last year? does anyone remember?
jed
December 3rd, 2009
12:18 am
braves signed my neighbor! no shiite…wagner lives near me. saw him at a restaurant this spring with his wife & kids, putting on no airs whatsoever. great job by wren et al.
richbrave
December 3rd, 2009
12:19 am
N8:
Oh wait. They’ve signed Billy Wagner to help out in the pen. Guess you’ll just have to go with “I’m a douche”.
NICE N8. LOL.
richbrave
December 3rd, 2009
12:20 am
jed
December 3rd, 2009
12:18 am
braves signed my neighbor! no shiite
I thought all you CLAMPETT’s lived in TENNESSEE. Nytol.
Gone Viral
December 3rd, 2009
12:22 am
“Did Texieria sign at the meetings last year? does anyone remember?”
He signed right before Christmas last year, the 23rd IIRC. So, it was a bit afterward. The Yankees made him an offer about 10 days prior then pulled it before both sides stopped being silly and got the deal done.
jeffrey d
December 3rd, 2009
12:24 am
Um, the Clampetts live in California now.
P'cola Brave
December 3rd, 2009
12:24 am
Thanks couldn’t remember on Tex. I think Bay, Holliday and Lackey will sign here before to long. Hopefully we’ll have a better idea after the meetings. I think after they sign the rest of the market will pick up.
Bravesfan79
December 3rd, 2009
12:32 am
I like the Wagner deal, but don’t like the fact we didn’t offer Gonzo a contract before the season ended. So… if Wagner gets hurt for half the season again the closer will be….? Acosta?? Sorry but ill take the Gonzo/ Soriano combination over 1 Wagner any day, especially with how Bobby likes to blow his closer with a 4 or 5 run lead and run him into the ground (most of Gonzos bad games were because of this!)
If you ask me, i say the Braves should go after Smoltz for the pen. He would still be solid for 1-3 innings at a time. A hell of alot more dependable than Acosta and the bottom of our current pen.
jed
December 3rd, 2009
12:34 am
yeah, we moved away from california when tmz started paying too much attention to jethro’s midnight crawls…
jeffrey d
December 3rd, 2009
12:36 am
So they moved to Billy Wagner’s farm
P. W. Hjort
December 3rd, 2009
12:38 am
Frank Wren transaction history. Good reference document. Isn’t updated to include Hudson, Proctor, or Wagner and possibly others I’m forgetting.
Jake W.
December 3rd, 2009
12:38 am
They were within a whisker of three straight division titles. Minaya delivered the players to get them there. That’s his job. How he did it was not the discussion. being dissapointed with the front office was. Not sure how any Met fan could be dissappointed with what the front office delivered 2006 through 2008. Those teams were right there. Last year was an anomoly. – Anders
The only point I was trying to make is that some mets fans(obviously not you) are dissapointed in what the front office and omar minaya have done. I read some of their blogs and its a little obvious that most are not as content with their performance from 2006-2008 as you are. I brought up the payroll thing becuase most people, rather they are wrong or right, look at higher payroll teams and expect them to do more than teams with the lower payrolls. Its one of the reasons the Yankees and their fans feel they should win a world series every year. Not just because they are the Yankees but because they spend a butload of money every year.
I’ll say it again, the mets have had one of the highest payrolls in the league the last few years and I think the highest in the national league. Some fans believe that should have translated into more than just the one playoff appearance. Maybe if you are a marlins fan you are ok with that one appearance in 2006 but higher payrolls tend to breed higher expecftations. Never said they were right to think that way I just said thats the way some of them think.
ronaldlhad12@hotmail.com
December 3rd, 2009
12:48 am
Just got back from Phoenix and Passion Pit. Phoenix was absolutely great.
Big fan of the Wagner signing. This year’s team could be something special.
Also, may be silly season, but this is by far and away the best time to be on the old blog. So much better of a place without all the riff raff.
Epinephrine
December 3rd, 2009
12:50 am
Love commenting with my faux email address. Nice move on my part.
jed
December 3rd, 2009
1:03 am
E I E I O
Andrew in P-tang
December 3rd, 2009
1:40 am
Great move to add Wagner today..now lets trade Lowe to the Cubs for a package around Jeff Samardzija..then if the Braves want to get Ballsy they could go after Bay or Holliday..or go after Cameron and Dero and let Mark play first.
Andrew in P-tang
December 3rd, 2009
1:47 am
Wishful 2010 lineup
1.nate mc
2.prado
3.Jones
4.Bay/Holliday
5.McCann
6.Esco
7.Heyward
8.Dye (playing first if we could get him 1 year cheap)
P. W. Hjort
December 3rd, 2009
1:51 am
now lets trade Lowe to the Cubs for a package around Jeff Samardzija
I hope that happens if only because I think it’d be incredibly amusing to watch Jeff Samardzija turn into everyone’s favorite whipping boy.
David O'Brien
December 3rd, 2009
6:01 am
P’Cola Brave: Monday is officially first day of Meetings, but that doesn’t matter, since so much of what happens is unstructured, just one GM setting up a meeting with another in a suite, or bumping into this guy and starting a conversation, etc.
So when folks start arriving Sunday, stuff starts happening, just a natural progression, or some of it a continuation from talks already underway by phone or whatever.
Thursday is the last day of Meetings, and it’s usually a half-day before guys start leaving right after the Rule 5 Draft ends late morning.
rtrafford
December 3rd, 2009
6:10 am
on draft picks, this was posted elsewhere, but it does a good job of explaining the process…
Since we have signed Wagner, only Lackey, Holliday, Scutaro and Valverde were ranked higher, unless we sign any of these players, the Red Sox will receive our 1st round pick. If we do happen to sign any of these guys their current team would receive our first round and Boston would receive our 2nd round. If we sign Bay or Betancourt their respective teams would receive our 2nd round selection and the Red Sox would receive our 1st.
If we sign any additional Type A players who have been offered arbitration, the picks their teams would receive keep going down in the draft.
For example say the Braves act like the Yankees and sign 4 Type A free agents who have been offered arbitration (keep in mind I know this will never happen, I am just using it as an example). Figgins, Holliday, Wagner and Betancourt. We would surrender our 1st round pick to LAA, 2nd round pick to St Louis, 3rd round pick to Boston and 4th round pick to Colorado.
Yet we would still have our 4 selections at the beginning of the draft from Soriano and Gonzalez’s departure.
In review – Signing Type A free agents who have been offered arbitration hurts less and less the more you sign them.
Desibrave
December 3rd, 2009
7:30 am
Hey Andrew in P-tang , Your wishful thinking is so close to realistic thinking, 7 out of 8 match
Wishful 2010 lineup Realistic
1.nate mc nate mc
2.prado prado
3.Jones Jones
4.Bay/Holliday Cameron
5.McCann McCann
6.Esco Esco
7.Heyward Heyward
8.Dye Dye
How about moving Cameron to leadoff and moving McLouth to 3rd where Pirates played him, and let Chipper hit cleanup.
My 2010 Lineup
Cameron
Prado
McLouth
Chipper
McCann
Dye
Esco
Heyward
Pitcher
That lineup can sure contend..,
O.J.
December 3rd, 2009
7:32 am
Hey DOB, it was pretty cool to hear you asking Billy those questions at the press conference. And yeah, Billy seems like a real class act, I like the guy and think he is going to be dominant in our closers role.
O.J.
December 3rd, 2009
7:33 am
I have to think that Prado would be a better leadoff option that Cameron.
CB
December 3rd, 2009
8:07 am
It is kind of amazing that when a player puts on a Braves uniform we suddenly forget all his foibles, now Wagner is ours he is the greatest reliever who ever pitched. I guess if we sign Mike Cameron we can put lipstick on him and call him Willie Mays.
O.J.
December 3rd, 2009
8:31 am
CB, Wagner’s career numbers speak for themselves dude, we never needed him to put on our uni to realize that he was that good
sidslidkid
December 3rd, 2009
8:35 am
“It is kind of amazing that when a player puts on a Braves uniform we suddenly forget all his foibles, now Wagner is ours he is the greatest reliever who ever pitched.” – CB
Nobody said he is the greatest reliever who ever pitched, but he is one of the greatest. There aren’t too many relievers in the HOF, and Billy’s got a shot at joining the others… whether or not the old guy will have another great year in 2010 is yet to be seen. We all agree that at 38 he’s past his prime, but some of us still think he’s got the stuff to be a very dominate closer in baseball again.
Desibrave
December 3rd, 2009
8:40 am
hey CB…,
Here is an extreme example of what fans do..,
Dodger fans booed the heck out of Bonds ever since they came to know about his steroid usage and the same Dodger fans started singing kumbaya to Manny even after getting banned for 50games.
richbrave
December 3rd, 2009
8:44 am
I want JOHN SMOLTZ, I want JOHN SMOLTZ.
sidslidkid
December 3rd, 2009
8:45 am
I want a CHIC-FIL-A CHICKEN BISCUIT, I want CHIC-FIL-A CHICKEN BISCUIT.
CB
December 3rd, 2009
8:52 am
Hey guys,lighten up. I’m glad we got him,too.
Marc in FL
December 3rd, 2009
8:57 am
It’s not bias to say Wagner is one of the best closers in today’s game, it’s a fact, just look at his career numbers and even his last few years. The guy is lights out when he’s healthy, as good as they come. This is fact.
Marc in FL
December 3rd, 2009
8:57 am
BURN CB CURBSIDE FOR HIS WITCH TALKIN’!
CB
December 3rd, 2009
9:01 am
Thanks,Marc. Tell everybody to bring marshmallows.
sidslidkid
December 3rd, 2009
9:03 am
CB, I think I get what you’re saying. There haven’t been too many times when I’ve said something positive about Wagner until yesterday (at least not out loud anyway). As a Braves fan I’d feel all icky if I went around talking about how great players like Howard, Wright and Utley are.
Anders
December 3rd, 2009
9:05 am
Amen to your 8:07 CB. Couldn’t agree with you more.
Macon Braves (RIP)
December 3rd, 2009
9:08 am
Man a Chic-Fil-A Chicken Biscuit would be awesome right now. Dang they are GREAT!!
ncscoots
December 3rd, 2009
9:09 am
…and the mob, in the midst of its heightened frenzy and with frothing mouths, turned its dark, evil energy outward on the heretic. And CB was seen no more, swept under by the roiling sea that is off-season Braves fans with a new FA signing. LOL
Anders
December 3rd, 2009
9:09 am
It’s not bias to say Wagner is one of the best closers in today’s game, it’s a fact, just look at his career numbers and even his last few years (Marc in Fl)
Yeah, except when old Anders brought that up as one of the reasons he felt the Mets were better than the Braves the last few years. Then that was Anders kidding himself about a guy who doesn’t have the stomach for the big games and was a toxic A-hole in the clubhouse. I believe that’s the type of revisionists history CB is alluding to.
CB
December 3rd, 2009
9:10 am
Anders, hey it worked with you guys and Francoeur. We all do it, the real point is sometimes we take a player like Cameron and make him into something he is not,a team changer. Wagner is a great reliever.
18 Wheels of Love
December 3rd, 2009
9:12 am
Prediction:
Cameron 2 year deal today
CB
December 3rd, 2009
9:13 am
scoots,my wife is already spending the insurance money!
Fischerking04
December 3rd, 2009
9:18 am
18 Wheels: I would love it if you were right.
Danga
December 3rd, 2009
9:22 am
Scoots…Maybe you should start rewriting the events of the whole blog in that fine, melodramatic style. That would make for some entertaining reading. Nice work.
GboroBravo
December 3rd, 2009
9:23 am
Biscuitville is better than Chic-Fil-A
GboroBravo
December 3rd, 2009
9:24 am
THURSDAY, 8:23am: Rob Bradford of WEEI.com hears that Polanco is “close” to a deal with the Phillies.
Anders
December 3rd, 2009
9:25 am
CB-The point is 95% of the folks on here crapped on Wagner repeatedly right up until about the beginning of November. Now he’s Mariano Rivera light in those very same eyes. Kind of lame.
Wayne in Utah
December 3rd, 2009
9:28 am
Can somebody figure out a way to get me some Zaxby’s chicken out this way for lunch?
CB
December 3rd, 2009
9:31 am
scoots, I liked your writing style,too. Maybe you should stick to that,too. You know many on here you are and idiot with baseball.
Wayne in Utah
December 3rd, 2009
9:32 am
CB-The point is 95% of the folks on here crapped on Wagner repeatedly right up until about the beginning of November. Now he’s Mariano Rivera light in those very same eyes. Kind of lame.—–Anders
95%??? Kinda stretching that a bit aren’t ya? I can’t recall that I have ever disparaged the man. In late 2008, when the wheels were falling off for the Mets, was that when he had a few bad games? (can’t remember for sure) We probably gloated in that fact….
Wagner has always been first class in my book.
TennesseePaul
December 3rd, 2009
9:39 am
He’s been a six- or seven-time All-Star; that shows you how good he has been
–Bobby Cox
Love it when this guy cites All-Star appearances. It’s the go-to for him. “Hey the Braves just signed Mark Redmond, What’s your opinion of him Mr. Cox?” “Well he was an all-star last year so that’s something.”
TennesseePaul
December 3rd, 2009
9:42 am
I guess if we sign Mike Cameron we can put lipstick on him and call him Willie Mays
See, this is why I read the blog. I never knew Willy Mays wore lipstick.
Joebrave
December 3rd, 2009
9:42 am
Wayne,I’ll see what I can do. might be a stretch tho
njbraves
December 3rd, 2009
9:44 am
Anders…You’re right. The Mets handled the Wagner situation perfectly, as they do most baseball matters. If they hadn’t traded him for a bag of balls you guys wouldn’t have been able to ridiculously overpay for Alex Cora. Another great job by your boy Omar. LOL…you’re a joke and so is your team.
Lew
December 3rd, 2009
9:44 am
Anders-Not all of us have changed our tune. I’m still somewhat concerned about Wagner’s longer term health-just like I was when he was with the Mets.
Wagner’s always been one of the top closers in baseball-I’ll never claim otherwise. However, that being said, I attribute a good bit of the two years of Mets’ late season collapses to Wagner’s health (not that he gave up, but his arm couldn’t hold out). Had he remained able to pitch, those two seasons might well have had considerably different results, IMO and Phillies’ fans wouldn’t be talking about dynasties-though I expect that is still better than the Mets’ fans yelling about being in that position.
Will Wags remain in good shape this year? I certainly hope so. I also wouldn’t mind seeing Moylan used in situations with RH hitters at least part of the time. It might help to maintain Wagner’s health throughout the season.
Still-I think the Braves really did the best they could for closer. Not too sure there was a better option. Even Gonzalez and Soriano had health issues and they are considered the best there is on the market this year.
Anders
December 3rd, 2009
9:45 am
Wayne- No, 95% isn’t stretching it in my book at all. Wagner has been a lightning rod on here for his late game failures and his big mouth presence in the locker rooms for the 3 years I’ve been here. I guess we can put you in the 5% but trust me, I’ve spent plenty of time defending my position on Wagner.
I look forward to Lews take on all this. You know him being one of the most critical of Wagner all these years. I’m sure he’s already tucked those thoughts away with the “No way the Mets have what it will take to get Santana!” rants. {:
Marc in FL
December 3rd, 2009
9:45 am
I always liked Wagner too, good work ethic and really a true blue collar ball player. He’s the kind of guy I can cheer for regardless of his team. Am I am cautious of his surgery? Yes, but I still am optimistic about what he can do for us this year, he is pretty damn solid.
Keeper
December 3rd, 2009
9:46 am
VJ, here’s a link to the Woody column that richbrave mentioned – welcome to our pain! (Though as deserving as Laycock may be, I think you’ve got an easier job holding onto him than we do London, for a variety of reasons. I hope I’m wrong on the latter and London decides to be king of the hill for a while like Laycock has – we’ve got a nice new stadium coming that we’d love to name after him, too …)
http://www2.timesdispatch.com/rtd/sports/columnists/article/WOOD02_20091201-222007/308980/
On the brighter side, T-D reports that MidAtlantic Sports Network has picked up both our games, if you get that – if not, it’s $24 on ESPN GamePlan.
And check out this quote from our former defensive coordinator, who now coaches Chattanooga and was interviewed about Richmond’s likely game plan against Armanti Edwards (he played ASU earlier in the year), whom he calls the best player in the FCS:
“I shouldn’t talk this way because I am involved with the Southern Conference, but to see a William and Mary-Richmond game in the championship would be unbelievable. I’m so close to the people at William and Mary, and so close to the people at Richmond, that would be something else.”
http://www2.timesdispatch.com/rtd/sports/college/college_football/article/URFB031_20091202-223007/309243/
Joebrave
December 3rd, 2009
9:46 am
Personally,I don’t think we will see Cameron and LaRoche on the field together in a Braves uni.
Maybe Cam,and Konerko
Cam,and Cabrera
but I have serious doubts on Cam and LaRoche
Joebrave
December 3rd, 2009
9:48 am
How bout this for a deal? McLouth,Freeman, and Rohrbough for Cabrera.
of course that is assuming that Lowe is out of the pic
Al for ATL
December 3rd, 2009
9:49 am
I have to kind of roll my eyes at the commentators who say Wagner was a bad deal because we’re giving up draft picks. Don’t they bother to look at what type A free agents we’ve offered arb to?
I don’t think Wagner is the greatest reliever who ever lived, but he’s cheaper than Soriano or Gonzo would be to resign, and I suspect he will be as effective as those guys were. Among the closers who are available, he’s fine, although it would be nice to see them bolster their middle relief with a guy who could step in if they need to limit Wagner’s innings, which they most likely will.
Lew
December 3rd, 2009
9:49 am
There you go Anders. I had already posted it before you asked. Not quite as much of a turnaround as you thought, was it?
Joebrave
December 3rd, 2009
9:50 am
Then I could see an OF that has Cam,Schafer,and Heyward.It will never happen b/c Cox loves the Vets.
Anders
December 3rd, 2009
9:50 am
Wagner’s always been one of the top closers in baseball-I’ll never claim otherwise. However, that being said, I attribute a good bit of the two years of Mets’ late season collapses to Wagner’s health (not that he gave up, but his arm couldn’t hold out). Had he remained able to pitch, those two seasons might well have had considerably different results,(Lew)
Well timing is everything. That said, you have got to be kidding me!!! I’ve said this about Wagner repeatedly and you claimed that it wasn’t just the losing Wagner that cost the Mets but the hitting blah,blah,blah. This is more of a flip than I even imagined from you.
Any thoughts on his character now that Cox has basically said he’s just the type of person the Braves like to have in their clubhouse?
Joebrave
December 3rd, 2009
9:51 am
From here however it appears Wren is working from back to front this offseason.
Lew
December 3rd, 2009
9:54 am
Anders-It was more-like Reyes playing like a sandlot player the last month of the seaosn, Moises Alou (one of the worst signings ever, but typical of the Mets) spending more time on the DL than on the field and maybe the fact that the Mets stubbornly refused to go out and spend some of all that money we’ve heard SO much about in recent years, to go out and get the ONE part needed to pull them through their typical September doldrums.
So yeah, Wagner’s inability to go to the post those two Septembers DID have much to do with their fortunes, but was it the only reason? Hell no. It was, after all, the Mets and we know their track record-or lack therof would be telling sooner rather than later.
Now you happy?
Quote: Billy Wagner is a Braves Fan… Shocker!
December 3rd, 2009
9:56 am
[...] a conference call with reporters yesterday, according to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, Wagner, who was born in Tannersville, VA, said: “I’m happy to be here. I’ve always been a [...]
TennesseePaul
December 3rd, 2009
9:58 am
Any thoughts on his character now that Cox has basically said he’s just the type of person the Braves like to have in their clubhouse?
Ha! Zing!
I recall many, many times on this blog the disdain poured out towards Vagner for his “mouth” and how that wouldn’t fly on the Braves team. The Braves did have Smoltz, but I don’t recall Smoltz ever trashing his team mates after a game. Perhaps he did and the Tomohawk blured my vision and muffled my hearing. But I do recall Vagner at least laying it on pretty thick concerning the play of some teammates. And I remember posters trashing him for it. But hey, maybe he was on to something. Perhaps his teammates really did stink. They were Mets after all.
Lew
December 3rd, 2009
10:00 am
Anders- It’s been boring lately with all the ridiculous trade scenarios we’ve been hearing-like Holliday or Bay playing in our outfield. Why don’t you lighten up the mood and tell us how much we’ll see the Mets’ spend this winter and all those big names they’re going to sign. Maybe you can tell us how much Wilpon made off of Madoff if you run out of Free Agents to claim will be wearing those ugly black and blue (appropriate color, however, given the injury track record of the Mets) unis come March.
Tommy T
December 3rd, 2009
10:01 am
Anders,
I think you’re trying to add rationale to fanhood and the two are mutually exclusive, for the majority anyway. I’m sure there are just as many Mets fans who sang Billy Wagner’s praises calling him a bum now. I think it’s just the nature of the beast.
Lew
December 3rd, 2009
10:01 am
Tenn Paul-That’s the point. IN New York Wagner had reason to run his mouth. He won’t in Atlanta.
Anders
December 3rd, 2009
10:03 am
Lew- What about Wagners character? I seem to recall quite a bit of venom from you regarding that. Or is that just something big bad NY forced on him and now he’s an aw shucks good guy?
dmack2027
December 3rd, 2009
10:03 am
DOB-Do you get any sense what the Braves’ plans are for Luis Valdez? He has great stuff, and I believe he closed at Richmond or Myrtle Beach. He, along with Kimbrel and Moylan, could form a great bullpen going forward.
O.J.
December 3rd, 2009
10:08 am
Jon Heyman tweets
“soriano, mike gonzalez will reject arbitration. one GM called them “the 2 most sought-after relievers on market.” “
Anders
December 3rd, 2009
10:08 am
Lew- If nothing else we seem to be aligned from a timing standpoint today. {:
TennesseePaul
December 3rd, 2009
10:09 am
Lew: I think it all traces back to trouble at home. He did say his family are Braves fans. He was playing for the Mets. Must have been hard to come home to the wife and kids and have them booo you all through dinner.
GboroBravo
December 3rd, 2009
10:11 am
9:10am: Jon Heyman of SI.com reports that the Phils are “believed to be” closing in on a three-year deal worth $18MM with Polanco.