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GovClintonTyree
December 2nd, 2009
8:44 pm
Oh, of course we’ve gotta buy Mike Cameron and a reliever, but it’s in there. Also, the above is a very good defensive club. And offensive club. And pitching club. In fact, it would be the best club in MLB.
Pickens
December 2nd, 2009
8:45 pm
Some of the trade scenarios that are put on this blog are ridiculous. Not all but MOST…
getsomepower
December 2nd, 2009
8:47 pm
Now that Wagner’s in the fold (great move by Wren once again, he can do NO wrong in my eyes), I would like to see Paul Konerko playing 1b for us and hitting clean up.
I’ve read that Braves are also interested in Octavio Dotel and Fernando Rodney. If Braves got Rodney, our bullpen would be better than it was last season. Wow.
Gibby
December 2nd, 2009
8:50 pm
Nolie, earlier you asked about Baseball america account and if anyone has it. I have both Prospectus and BA and prefer BA but I do like both. Another site that is free that I like a lot is Project Prospect. I am sure people here have tried them out to but if not check it out. They had an interview with Freddie Freeman last week
http://projectprospect.com/
Jurrjens4NLCY
December 2nd, 2009
8:52 pm
Wagner also neutralizes the main reason we didn’t make the playoffs, Ryan Howard.
Lets hope Waggy can dominate him…
Moe Berg
December 2nd, 2009
8:55 pm
“Wagner also neutralizes the main reason we didn’t make the playoffs, Ryan Howard.”-Jurrjens4NLCY
If Howard happens to be up in the 9th, then perhaps, yes. There are, however, going to be 8 innings of baseball before Wagner comes in, if at all. He only comes in, if the starter and other relievers have already done okay with Howard.
nolie
December 2nd, 2009
8:59 pm
Nolie, earlier you asked about Baseball america account and if anyone has it. I have both Prospectus and BA and prefer BA but I do like both.
actually that was my response to another poster’s question, but thank you for the link. I bookmarked it and will investigate at my leisure
Manolo
December 2nd, 2009
9:03 pm
Anders, Delgado is about to start playing down here. He’s in great shape and eager to get seen by scouts. The one thing that makes him a good fit for the Braves is that he’s well respected by a lot of teammates and will make pitchers think twice about walking Chipper. he will be back strong and will be a great asset. he’s one of those guys that hits lefties well (even being a lefty himself) and is a good griend of vazquez, which will be more reasond for Javy to sign a discounted deal. Javy, if offered the same deal as Hudson’s, will also sign. BANK ON IT!
Manolo
December 2nd, 2009
9:05 pm
Anders, Delgado is about to start playing down here. He’s in great shape and eager to get seen by scouts. The one thing that makes him a good fit for the Braves is that he’s well respected by a lot of teammates and will make pitchers think twice about walking Chipper. he will be back strong and will be a great asset. he’s one of those guys that hits lefties well (even being a lefty himself) and is a good Friend of vazquez, which will be one more reason for Javy to sign a discounted deal. Javy, if offered the same deal as Hudson’s, will also sign. BANK ON IT!
18 Wheels of Love
December 2nd, 2009
9:06 pm
rtrafford, good instincts on LaRoche wanting to get on board….wouldn’t shock me if he wanted to sign with us, I just wonder if Wren is thinking the same thing with Freeman in AA. (and for the record I think Freeman is a fine prospect, but he’s just a nice prospect – no Adam LaRoche).
keylargo
December 2nd, 2009
9:11 pm
How do you rate the teams that were affected by the Billy Wagner saga since Sept?
Mets – The Mets acquired outfielder Chris Carter and first baseman Eddie Lora to finish the deal. Two unheralded minor leaguers. Plus they saved $3 million of salary the Sox paid Wagner.
RedSox – They got the use of Wagner for the pennant race and paid his $3 million salary. Will receive two draft choices from the Braves.
Braves – Get Wagner for $7 million in 10, lose two draft choices, but get 2 – 4 draft choices for the loss of players who Wagner will replace.
To me it is clear that the RedSox got the best of the deal followed by the Braves and then the Mets. What were they thinking? Two completely average minor leaguers or two high draft choices. Of course no one knows for a few years
MamaDawg
December 2nd, 2009
9:13 pm
Cameron—Thanks for letting us know where to find the press conference! I just finished watching it.
nolie
December 2nd, 2009
9:14 pm
that project site rates very few Braves as exceptional
Cherokee
December 2nd, 2009
9:17 pm
Will receive two draft choices from the Braves.
Braves – Get Wagner for $7 million in 10, lose two draft choices KeyLargo
we only lose one draft pick don’t we? the other is a tweener which does not affect the Braves, correct?
flange1
December 2nd, 2009
9:23 pm
Hey Millsaps,
FYI, AOL does not own the Braves anymore.
Idiot..
Wayne in Utah
December 2nd, 2009
9:23 pm
Ronald Millsaps
And exactly what leads you to believe the Braves won’t pursue LaRoche? The fact that they didn’t offer arbitration is not the end of negotiations.
To be honest, I would not be surprised to learn that they are pursuing someone as good as or better than Adam. Adam did provide power, but he is a second half player. We need someone full time. Adam also doesn’t do well in the cleanup slot. We need a cleanup hitter if possible.
Like I said first, the fact he was not offered arbitration doesn’t mean they are necessarily cutting him loose.
Have some patience my friend, and trust in Frank’s judgement. He has not disappointed us yet.
Lew
December 2nd, 2009
9:24 pm
The Grammy Nomination Concert is on tonight. A College classmate of mine was on the preliminary list for a nomination. Watch and see if Dave Perkins gets a nomination for his CD Pistol City Holiness in the New Blues Category.
Wayne in Utah
December 2nd, 2009
9:25 pm
So, how late do I stay up tonight waiting for the blockbuster. You know it’s going to happen, since Dave is out tonight.
Brown
December 2nd, 2009
9:32 pm
How about that Angels and Demons, huh? Almost as good as DaVinci Code. Everybody needs to see them both
Mixxo
December 2nd, 2009
9:33 pm
Soph -
I responded to your “…deserted me…” post, but it looks like it was deleted. Don’t know why either.
Guess some things never change.
Anders
December 2nd, 2009
9:33 pm
To me it is clear that the RedSox got the best of the deal followed by the Braves and then the Mets. What were they thinking? Two completely average minor leaguers or two high draft choices. Of course no one knows for a few years (KeyLargo)
The Mets were thinking “Hey, we’re about 20 games out and have a closer signed through 2011 and can save $3 mil by unloading Wagner”. Wagner had a no trade so their options were limited. I think they also wanted o accomodate Wagners desire to pitch in meaningful games so he could get a team to give him the type of deal he just got. All in all I think the Mets did just fine by saving $3 mil for a guy with about 2 months left on is deal coming off TJ surgery. Not saying they got the best of the Wagner saga but I think it’spretty clear what they were thinking.
Now the Braves trading Frenchy for Church, well……..{:
Keeper
December 2nd, 2009
9:33 pm
VJ, congrats, y’all are now favored to win the CAA. (W&M beats Richmond, which in turn beats CAA favorites ODU tonight, therefore …) Who knows, maybe we’ll end up with rematches in both national playoff brackets!
Jimmy Joe
December 2nd, 2009
9:41 pm
Wagner? Can he pitch on back to back days?
keylargo
December 2nd, 2009
9:42 pm
we only lose one draft pick don’t we? the other is a tweener which does not affect the Braves, correct? Cherokee
Cherokee – here is the article I read that had the Wagner info. It does say a first and a second. But I have heard the “sandwich pick” too.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4421684
Here is a direct quote from ESPN
He (Wagner) didn’t want the Red Sox to offer him arbitration because then, when he became a free agent, teams would have to give Boston first- and second-round picks as compensation
Anders
December 2nd, 2009
9:44 pm
Manolo – If Javy signs for the same as Hudson he will have to undergo immediate and complete drug testing. If he extends this off season he is going UP from $11.5 mil not down.
Do you go to the winter games in PR? If so it would be cool to hear how Delgado looks first hand. Keep us informed. If the Mets just plan to use Murphy at first I’d just assume sign Delgado to a one year deal. The 3/4’s of 2008 he raked like few players I have seen do over an extended period of time. He was hitting pretty well in the beginning of 2009 when the hip gave out. He just might have a year left in him. The guys a little stubborn but he’s a pro ballplayer for sure.
nolie
December 2nd, 2009
9:47 pm
Cherokee/KeyLargo
If a team signs a Type A free agent, its first-round pick goes to the former team — unless that pick is in the top 15, in which case a second-round pick goes to the former team. The former team also gets an extra pick between the first and second rounds.Pretty certain this is now the way it goes.
Macon Braves (RIP)
December 2nd, 2009
9:50 pm
Wow, I just tried to scroll through the comments on the Falcon’s blog…that crap is unreadable. Talk about a blog full of Trolls completely ruining it. Thank goodness for this blog, we might get the occassional Troll, but at least they aren’t allowed to take over like they do over there.
Anders
December 2nd, 2009
9:50 pm
Wagner? Can he pitch on back to back days? (JimmyJoe)
Absolutely. Well, until September anyway. {:
Gone Viral
December 2nd, 2009
9:55 pm
“Now the Braves trading Frenchy for Church, well…”
One of my happiest days ever as a Braves fan.
Anders
December 2nd, 2009
9:58 pm
Gone Viral – Before today -right?
Gone Viral
December 2nd, 2009
10:00 pm
I like Wagner a lot, but signing him is not on a par with finally being rid of Count 0-2 Pitch.
nolie
December 2nd, 2009
10:01 pm
Dave ain’t the only one who can get to watch Billy Joe
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-553953662882287859&ei=pSgXS_bvJ5LiqgLynZzhCg&hl=en#
Anders
December 2nd, 2009
10:04 pm
I like Wagner a lot (Gone Viral)
That sentiment is spreading like the swine flu in Braves Nation.
keylargo
December 2nd, 2009
10:04 pm
Wow, I just tried to scroll through the comments on the Falcon’s blog…that crap is unreadable. Talk about a blog full of Trolls completely ruining it. Thank goodness for this blog, we might get the occassional Troll, but at least they aren’t allowed to take over like they do over there. MaconBraves
Come back in six months during a game when the Braves are losing. Better yet, don’t – for your own good.
MIBravesFan
December 2nd, 2009
10:05 pm
Cherokee – “we only lose one draft pick don’t we? the other is a tweener which does not affect the Braves, correct?”
You are correct – the second pick is an added pick between the 1st and 2nd rounds, not a lost Braves pick. And the Braves are going to pick up two 1st round picks when Gonzo and Soriano are signed as free agents by other teams.
Gone Viral
December 2nd, 2009
10:06 pm
“That sentiment is spreading like the swine flu in Braves Nation.”
The first thing a dear friend of mine who is a Mets fan said to me after I told him was, “F***. It must me nice having a competent front office.” He’s right. It is.
Gone Viral
December 2nd, 2009
10:07 pm
“Come back in six months during a game when the Braves are losing. Better yet, don’t – for your own good.”
I call it Mixxo Madness.
Manolo
December 2nd, 2009
10:08 pm
Anders, yes I go to some games. Pudge and Alex Cora are about to start playing as well. About Javi, you will be surprised. he has never done as well anywhere, and with no pressure. he really wants to stay and will work out a deal, believe me for less. He’s said that he will take a discount on the local press a couple of times. He is just not the type of guy who thrives in high pressure cities, but can win a CY Young in places like Atlanta or Florida. We’ll have to see, but if Wren can move Lowe, you will see that friendly three year contract easily.
If we can get Delgado for 5 million and Nady for about the same, I will do that insyead of laroche in a hurry because it gives the Braves so many options, specially when Heyward is promoted (if he does not start the year with the big club).
keylargo
December 2nd, 2009
10:11 pm
MIBravesFan
Is that MI for Michigan? Miami?
MIBravesFan
December 2nd, 2009
10:13 pm
Sorry nolie, I didn’t see your reply to Cherokee and KeyLargo before I posted mine, I just saw Cherokee’s post on page 12 and fired off a reply.
Anders
December 2nd, 2009
10:15 pm
The first thing a dear friend of mine who is a Mets fan said to me after I told him was, “F***. It must me nice having a competent front office.” He’s right. It is. (Gone Viral)
What could that possibly mean? The Mets front office signed Wagner 4 years ago when he was much younger and plenty effective. They got K-Rod cheap so why would them not getting Wagner matter and what Met fan actually thought they were considering it? If you mean competent in general, Minaya for all his foibles has put a very competitive team on the field for most of his tenure and last year was clearly not his fault. They were decimated by injuries. Now comes the “well all Minaya does is buy players.” So what? Isn’t that just what your competent front office did with Wagner?
You picked the wrong day to play that card I’m afraid.
Soph
December 2nd, 2009
10:15 pm
Mixxo -
Don’t worry, I saw it earlier today.
MIBravesFan
December 2nd, 2009
10:16 pm
Michigan, KeyLargo – when I claimed Nate as a Midwesterner earlier I should have specifically claimed him as a Michiganian
Anders
December 2nd, 2009
10:18 pm
Manolo – If Javy is talking about a discount (your words not mine) I believe he means a discount from market, not what he’s making now. Figure he means a discount from AJ Burnett $’s. He is not signing this off season for less than he’s making now. Even the players union would call him on the carpet for that imo.
nolie
December 2nd, 2009
10:19 pm
Anders are you back trying to paint all of us with the same brush? Have a bad day?
Steve McP
December 2nd, 2009
10:20 pm
The Braves will not get first round picks for Gonzo and Soriano unless the team acquiring them would have picked in the top half of the first round. The teams that have the money to pay that much for a closer and are likely to be in the mix for them would likely have been contenders last year, so no first round picks for us.
Winterville
December 2nd, 2009
10:22 pm
I think he meant giving up Wagner for two guys who some don’t think will make the bigs when they could have just kept him gotten two good draft picks instead. If the Mets truly don’t have money problems then 3 million dollars should be pretty little in the scheme of things considering the money was pretty much already allocated.
nolie
December 2nd, 2009
10:23 pm
He is not signing this off season for less than he’s making now. Anders
that is likely true, maybe a 3/36 – 3/40 with an option. It is pretty ideal for him. Close to home-relatively anyway- and lower pressure than some other places.
Anders
December 2nd, 2009
10:25 pm
Nolie- I can’t recall the Wagner support group being formed on here when he couldn’t shut down some big games, or shot off his mouth or was injured. So yes, I’d say the Wagner certainly was one of the most reviled Mets on here during my three years of blogging with you good people.
For anyone to claim otherwise is just revisionist hogwash.
I actually had a real good day. Thanks for asking.
Gone Viral
December 2nd, 2009
10:26 pm
“You picked the wrong day to play that card I’m afraid.”
Pull what card? That a friend of mine who is a Mets fan despises your front office? You lost me completely. I think you’ve confused me with another poster.
Cameron C
December 2nd, 2009
10:26 pm
steve
I thought the worest team got the 1st pick and so on, and the best team got the last pick? So the teams with the money would be in the back after 15 right?
keylargo
December 2nd, 2009
10:26 pm
MIBraves – I like McLouth a bunch. He’s a baseball player in the purest sense. Outside of the pitchers, I’d say he is the third or fourth most valuable Brave and any mention of trading him is ludicrous. He is only going to get better for three or four more years IMO.
And Michigan. I’d like to visit there some July. It would be about the same temp as my home is today.
Anders
December 2nd, 2009
10:29 pm
Winterville – I understood the draft pick part of the question. I think the Mets believed the $3 mil was more valuable and I think they truly wanted to give wagner a chance to show what he had. He worked incredibly hard to get back as early as possible for what he and the Mets thought would be a playoff push. Even though that didn’t come to fruition I think they rewarded him for his effort.
jack
December 2nd, 2009
10:29 pm
i would to see that curly haired guy from alabama get boog’s job
nolie
December 2nd, 2009
10:32 pm
I can’t recall the Wagner support group being formed on here when he couldn’t shut down some big games, or shot off his mouth or was injured. Anders
why would it be? he was the enemy. Doesn’t mean that many of us though we’d never want him. I think you are setting up a straw man just to knock him down.
I know that I have always liked him and I’m sure there are others here who felt the same.
Just because some of the emotional idjits here bad-mouthed him doesn’t mean all that much. The vocal minority always draws the most attention just like with the few on here who take every opportunity-and likely several aliases- to constantly knock Cox. Doesn’t mean that most of us are too foolish to appreciate him.
oh well
Mixxo
December 2nd, 2009
10:32 pm
Sophie -
Cool. Hope all is well with ya Hon.
Anders
December 2nd, 2009
10:33 pm
Gone Viral – The Mets front office won the division in 2006 and was eliminated on the last day of the season in 2007 and 2008 – what’s to despise? Tell your friend to stop listening to Mike Francesa on the FAN and maybe he’d be more objective as to how the Mets have performed under Minaya’s watch.
Manolo
December 2nd, 2009
10:34 pm
Nolie, some people fail to realize that Javi will become very expensive (at Lowe’s level or more) if he can repeat this years performance. That’s a big if, even when I believe he can. If he reverts to the previous year’s performance, is 9m too much money? that is the big question, but we’ll see what happens. Not everyone is willing to pay money like the Yanks these days.
keylargo
December 2nd, 2009
10:34 pm
Those people at Cot’s Baseball Contracts must have someone who stayed late at work today. The terms of Billy Wagner’s contract are already up.
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tujElf32-2d237jk3IzWLsg&output=html
Winterville
December 2nd, 2009
10:34 pm
Anders
That’s fine and I get that. It just seems like if the Braves did some sort of sentimental thing like that, we would surely hear about it. I don’t care how hard he worked to get back. He was paid well for his rehab and his downtime and I just feel like the Mets could have kept him and he would have been happy either way. If you recall, he almost vetoed the trade to Boston anyway. It doesn’t matter anyway, it’s done now. I think maybe you should be more understanding that people cheer for laundry now more than ever. The Braves will always be bigger than any one person for me so if I don’t absolutely hate someone, I will try and pull for them and hope that they succeed. Billy Wagner falls in that category for me. I didn’t like him as a Met but I will cheer for him now because our club needs him in order to reach our maximum potential.
Braves don't care about draft picks
December 2nd, 2009
10:35 pm
That’s TWO FIRST ROUND PICKS given up 2 of the last 3 years for pitchers 38 years old or older.
Glavine was a mistake and Wagner will be too!!!!!!!!!
Braves need to keep all of their picks!!!!!!!! plus others they will get!!!!
Mixxo
December 2nd, 2009
10:36 pm
Gone Viral -
Oh ……you reported it huh?
Figures. I don’t spend my every waking hour here sucking up to the boss son. Get a life!
18 Wheels of Love
December 2nd, 2009
10:37 pm
McP, you got it backwards. The teams most likely to sign a Gonzo or Soriano are the ones that do not have protected draft picks (first 15). Teams with the worse records 1-15 can sign players and not lose their picks.
Gone Viral
December 2nd, 2009
10:40 pm
“Tell your friend to stop listening to Mike Francesa on the FAN”
My friend lives is Hawaiian and lives in Los Angeles. I would be surprised if he knew what any of that even meant. FWIW, I have six friends who contribute to my web sites that are Mets fans. Off my head, I can’t think of a single one who likes Minaya. If you do, more power to you, but it’s certainly not just Mike Francesa who thinks the guy is an awful GM.
Moe Berg
December 2nd, 2009
10:41 pm
“Glavine was a mistake and Wagner will be too!!!!!!!!!”-Braves don’t care about draft picks
Admittedly, the Braves have signed three surgically repaired arms this off-season (Proctor, Hudson, and Wagner). Yet–unlike with Glavine, they have seen two of them come back and pitch effectively after the surgery. Because of the recent surgery, there is a bit of a discount, but you have a sense of what they can do. Do you think that Hudson and Wagner will suddenly do worse next season (after more recovery time), than they did this late summer/early fall? Most likely not. They might need to be monitored for innings but that is all.
Macon Braves (RIP)
December 2nd, 2009
10:41 pm
Come back in six months during a game when the Braves are losing. Better yet, don’t – for your own good.
LOL, I’ve read this blog daily for years, I know how it gets on here at times. Sure the Trolls come out here, at least until the Mutts collapse anyway and they stop showing up for a while, but it isn’t nearly as absurd as it is over there. Have you been over to the Falcon’s blog? The Vick Lovers over there make it completely unreadable and Ledbetter does absolutely nothing to manange the absurd comments that get put up there.
This blog has many intelligent, knowledgeable regulars that make it an entertaining, fun place to blog and read. The knowledgable guys over there just get drowned out by the Trolls and the morons who fall for the Troll’s agenda and try to argue back with them constantly.
So I extend my thanks to DOB and you many regulars, those that post often and those like myself who rarely post but still read daily, for making this the absolute BEST sports blog to be found. I wouldn’t want to waste so many hours of work time with anyone else.
Gone Viral
December 2nd, 2009
10:42 pm
“Oh ……you reported it huh?”
You’re being weird again. We’ve talked about this. I made a joke about knee-jerk reaction msg board behavior during games. Anything else is projected paranoia on your part.
confucius
December 2nd, 2009
10:45 pm
Cheetah down under puts tiger in deep woods
Moe Berg
December 2nd, 2009
10:46 pm
“This blog has many intelligent, knowledgeable regulars that make it an entertaining, fun place to blog and read.”– Macon Braves (RIP)
I agree. I know that I get far more from reading others’ postings than I am able to contribute. I read to learn from far more knowledgeable people than I. We should have an informal, annual vote for the best bloggers to recognize these contributions.
Mixxo
December 2nd, 2009
10:49 pm
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m46/mixineer/smileys/snacks.gif
Anders
December 2nd, 2009
10:50 pm
Winterville – Good 10:34 post. Especially the laundry part. I just don’t like when folks who’ve spent 3 years telling me that Wagner is a big game choker and the Mets will never win with him now are telling me what a great acquisition he is for the Braves. Kind of kills their credibility. I like him as a Met and I think (assuming he stays healthy) he’s clearly a step up from what the Braves have had for years as closers.
As for the Mets trading him, I think they wanted the $ 3 mil. The sentiment was there but I would say that was like 25% of it. Clearly subjective on my part. Keep in mind signing these high picks is getting costly these days and they’re a real crap shoot.
nolie
December 2nd, 2009
10:50 pm
If he reverts to the previous year’s performance, is 9m too much money
no because contrary to all you read, he has always been an average pitcher at worst and has had 5 years in the last 10 as a way above average pitcher. I agree that another year like last season would make him expensive, perhaps moderated some by the continuing poor economy- I have seen the same statements that he has made as you have I’d guess, but I really doubt he means that he will take less than 11 per, but I might be wrong obviously.
Right now I think if he extended for 12 per that it would be a discount, but we really have no idea exactly what he means, we can only make our best guess taking everything we do know into account.
I was one of the very few who backed the trade when it first went down, I have always been a fan of his stuff-but I would have no real problem if they traded him and kept Lowe if that’s the way it works out best. Either way i think we will have a crackerjack rotation if they stay healthy.
WillyFromPhilly
December 2nd, 2009
10:51 pm
I see “BS” Billy is talking again. Soon he’ll say how the Braves are gonna whup them Phillies, the team he used to always want to play for cause it’s near his home.
richbrave
December 2nd, 2009
10:56 pm
I featured JOSE ORTEGANO twice last season as a standout. Unless hurt, I think he make a fine BRAVE.
nolie
December 2nd, 2009
10:58 pm
ORTEGANO twice last season as a standout. Unless hurt, I think he make a fine BRAVE.
ain’t that some I-Talian seasoning or sumthang?
Winterville
December 2nd, 2009
10:59 pm
Anders
I’m one of the people who questioned Wagner in the big games. I still do. But I guess he gets a clean slate from me since he hasn’t pitched yet. I think he just rubbed me the wrong way when he called some of your guys out for not owning up to the games they played. He was a Met so I already didn’t like him and calling out teammates made him easier to dislike. I have never denied his talents as a pitcher though. Especially in a meaningless May game! Honestly though, I do hope he does well and I am ready to let go of my past reasons for disliking him since he is now on the only team I have ever cared about.
Cherokee
December 2nd, 2009
11:00 pm
nolie
thank you for the link to the Shaver video. Georgia On A Fast Train has long been a favorite of mine
Anders
December 2nd, 2009
11:02 pm
If I’m Javy I’d have to REALLY love Atlanta to not be making at least 25% more than Oliver Perez on my next deal. I mean these are high priced athletes who compare houses, cars, toys and salaries. To think he’s gonna roll over for Hudson money is foolish imo. It’ll likely be the only huge deal he gets to sign.
P'cola Brave
December 2nd, 2009
11:02 pm
Well it went from a slow offseason and hardly any rumors to a signing.
P'cola Brave
December 2nd, 2009
11:04 pm
Vazquez next contract will be his last big one. I know he has said he would take a paycut to stay in Atlanta but what kind of paycut is the question. I think we can get more for him than Lowe and Lowe will probably put up the better numbers.
richbrave
December 2nd, 2009
11:08 pm
Where is VJ anyway. Editorial in the RICHMOND paper this a.m.:
” ……I opened my notepad, turned on the tape-recorder, and pulled my chin up off the floor…….” Apparantly, without answering directly, JIMMY LAYCOCK, head football coach at WILLIAM and MARY, intimated he would be interested in the open UNIVERSITY of VIRGINIA head-coaching position. This he did before one PAUL WOODY, the reporter who filed the column. As you know, LAYCOCK can’t say anything until his team is out of the FCS playoffs, or W&M wins the whole ball of wax.
And as you probably know, all the speculation about a replacement has centered around MIKE LONDON, head coach at the UNIVERSITY of RICHMOND and formed defensive coach at UVA., who has consistantly refused to fuel the buzz with inflammatory remarks.
Anders
December 2nd, 2009
11:09 pm
P’cola Brave – Where exactly did Javy say he would take a paycut to stay in Atlanta? No way he said that imo. If that’s true I’d have to think the Braves are giving their players lobotimies and programming these guys.
Again, I think he might have said a “discount” meaning from what his market value is. That’s night and day from what he’s making now.
David O'Brien
December 2nd, 2009
11:11 pm
Billy Joe Shaver = Living legend.
Low down leaving sun
Done did everything that needs done
Woe is me, why can’t I see?
I’d best be leaving well enough alone
Them neon light nights, couldn’t stay out of fights
Keep a-haunting me in memories
Well there’s one in every crowd, for crying out loud
Why was it always turning out to be me?
Where does it go, the good Lord only knows
It seems like it was just the other day
I was down at Green Gables, hawking them tables
And generally blowing all my hard earned pay
Piano rolled blues, danced holes in my shoes
There weren’t another other way to be
For lovable losers, no account boozers
And honky tonk heroes like me
P'cola Brave
December 2nd, 2009
11:12 pm
I meant discount. not paycut. sorry. I think it would be atleast 11 mil a year if not more for his extension.
David O'Brien
December 2nd, 2009
11:14 pm
Nolie, Cherokee: Shaver opened with Georgia On A Fast Train. Great show tonight. The old dude’s still got more fire and energy that most artists half his age.
He even signed my “Original Honky Tonk Hero” T-shirt.
nolie
December 2nd, 2009
11:14 pm
f I’m Javy I’d have to REALLY love Atlanta to not be making at least 25% more than Oliver Perez on my next deal Anders
I see your point, but he has said that he really loves Atlanta. His worst years have been in high profile cities and he has to be aware of that. His best years have been in Montreal and Atlanta. He has refused to consider NLor AL West teams, and NYY and CHiWS aren’t in the mix. That somewhat limits where he can go and get great money in this economy.
It’s probably moot anyway, since I think the highest odds are that he will be the one traded, though the market for that is somewhat limited too.
As for the Wags thing, you are making a big deal out of a very common occurrence . Go on any Mets blog and talk up a noted Brave and you will get reams of hate comments. I’ve seen it for years. Make that player a Met and the tune of many will chance and the ones who always liked/respected him will be more vocal. Ain’t just happening here though you are trying to imply that it does to a larger extent than reality.
nolie
December 2nd, 2009
11:17 pm
He even signed my “Original Honky Tonk Hero” T-shirt. DOB
man i is SOOO jealous. Haven’t seen him in 10 years I bet. Glad you enjoyed the show.
P'cola Brave
December 2nd, 2009
11:17 pm
DOB
Do the GM meetings start on Sunday or is that just the arrival date? And when is the last day of the meetings.
richbrave
December 2nd, 2009
11:19 pm
U-m-m, would them woods be blond, or brunette? Only the hair colorist knows for sure.
richbrave
December 2nd, 2009
11:21 pm
Hery, ANDERS. Saw a reprise of the “DARK KNIGHT.” Thought of you.
richbrave
December 2nd, 2009
11:22 pm
VJ:
Go online to Richmond.com and read PAUL WOODY’s column today, December 2.
richbrave
December 2nd, 2009
11:23 pm
VJ:
that’s inRichmond.com, sorry.
Anders
December 2nd, 2009
11:29 pm
As for the Wags thing, you are making a big deal out of a very common occurrenc (Nolie)
As for the Javy thing I’d say you are making a very small deal out of a common occurrence. Players want to get paid – a lot! Generally as close to as much as possible. As for this high profile city thing – I guess that’s a pressure/expectance thing? Clearly it can’t be just because it’s a big metropolis. Therefore, wouldn’t it make more sense to move him now? Assuming the Braves will be competitive next year ( I think they will) then he may falter again. At least Lowe has shown he can perform under the glare of the big lights.
Under your scenario Javy could win 20 games pitching for the Nats. {:
bravito199
December 2nd, 2009
11:29 pm
Hey DOB
Do the Braves have any interest in Japanese reliever Ryota Igarashi he looks pretty nasty
Anders
December 2nd, 2009
11:34 pm
RichBrave – It’s a little alarming that you’re thinking of me while you’re sitting (I’m assuming alone)in a dark theater. Don’t mean to break your heart but you never cross my mind.
Jake W.
December 2nd, 2009
11:36 pm
They got K-Rod cheap so why would them not getting Wagner matter and what Met fan actually thought they were considering it? If you mean competent in general, Minaya for all his foibles has put a very competitive team on the field for most of his tenure and last year was clearly not his fault. – Anders
K-Rod Cheap, I guess if you’re comparing him to a certain other New york closer than yeah, he’s cheap. Yeah that offseason K-Rod thought he would get more but I still wouldn’t say his contract is cheap.
On to the criticism of Minaya. I think it stems from the fact that they have had one of the highest payrolls last few seasons(which tend to make things a little easier) and they only have the one playoff appearance in 2006. Can’t do anything about the injuries in 2009 but I can understand the dissapointment for some mets fans. Is it a fair criticism by some mets fans, probably not, but as with other teams that spend lots of money the expectations are higher. Just the way it is.
richbrave
December 2nd, 2009
11:36 pm
BRAVES must have been truely impressed with WAGNER’s body of work last year. How many draft picks do we lose? And how many do we gain after all the machinations and GONZO becomes a ghost in a BRAVES uni? I get confused by it all.
richbrave
December 2nd, 2009
11:38 pm
A-w-w, come on ANDERS. It was fun the first time wasn’t it?
richbrave
December 2nd, 2009
11:40 pm
O-o-o, o-o-o, BRAVES get better, MELTS don’t.
nolie
December 2nd, 2009
11:41 pm
How many draft picks do we lose?
one. we gain two first rounders and two supplement picks if Gonzo and Sori sign with other teams.