Baseball’s silly season is about to begin

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nolie

December 2nd, 2009
2:27 pm

dont like the decision not to offer laroche arbitration DAP

I don’t understand why people keep saying this.They might still sign him perhaps even to a cheaper multi-year deal. The return on a B FA was not worth taking the chance of being stuck with arb. It was a no-brainer.

Fischerking04

December 2nd, 2009
2:27 pm

Chuck James was solid……GREAT CLIP!!!

Steve McP

December 2nd, 2009
2:28 pm

I know the middle of the bullpen and the bench are always the last pieces of the puzzle, but I hope we don’t end up like last season with certain guys who are only allowed to pitch in games when we are up or down by 5 runs or more, leaving all the close game work to be done by Moylan, EOF, Gonzo and MFIKY, it is amazing they made it through the season, being able to spread the load would help make everyone more effective.

It is hard to blame Cox for overusing the pen when he had zero confidence in half the guys that were in it, although once or twice he did make some odd decisions, he usually had little option but to run out the same guys.

nolie

December 2nd, 2009
2:30 pm

Good news is that, assuming the Braves resign and then keep Soriano, Wagner would not have to close every game, keeping his arm from being overused. im4

that is definitely not happening now, not that it ever was. NWIH are they sinking that kinda money into 2 relievers

Bravoman

December 2nd, 2009
2:39 pm

Wagner took McLouth’s number lol

nolie

December 2nd, 2009
2:44 pm

and want to see the earlier seasons without having to drop $100 bucks or whatever on the DVDs.

you don’t have a NetFlix acct? even the download sites like PiratesBay probably wouldn’t have all the episodes any more. great show no doubt.

Andy K.

December 2nd, 2009
2:45 pm

Ha Ha, McLouth will be shopping for new jersey number.

Robert

December 2nd, 2009
2:46 pm

The silly season for the Braves, on the other hand, will begin on that day in February when Cox shows up at spring training

Bravoman

December 2nd, 2009
2:53 pm

Wagner said it may cost him a bit taken Nate’s number but McLouth has sponsorship opportunities waiting from McDonalds so he’ll be fine

18 Wheels of Love

December 2nd, 2009
2:53 pm

Wagner’s a good dude. Braves fan from his childhood. Talked about Murphy and remembering Horner hitting 4 HR’s in one game.

Fischerking04

December 2nd, 2009
2:53 pm

For all the “Bobby should retire” folks, Wagner pretty much said the fact that Bobby “a guy that carries that much weight” came to see him he was intrigued.

Also cool to hear him talk about growing up a Braves fan. I’m sure the rest of the NLE isn’t too happy about this signing.

Wayne in Utah

December 2nd, 2009
2:54 pm

I think the dumazz season started at about 2:46pm….

Chuck James Was Solid Until The 6th!!!!!!

December 2nd, 2009
2:55 pm

Robert, dude, you are the most tireless and relentless Cox hater. Do you put that much dedication and consistentcy into other things or just Bobby “Legend” Cox?

dmack2027

December 2nd, 2009
2:55 pm

I hope the Braves do not overspend on the bullpen. You have a closer right now. You also have Moylan to set up. Kimbrell and Luis Valdez have great stuff and should be ready, if not when the Braves break camp, soon thereafter.

Time to bolster the offense. Decent setup guys will be around late in the Winter. Last year, the rotation was fortified, and the offensive situation was largely ignored. The same mistake cannot be repeated.

Chuck James Was Solid Until The 6th!!!!!!

December 2nd, 2009
2:55 pm

Toga Party

Thanks for posting that clip!

Andy K.

December 2nd, 2009
2:59 pm

I like that way our bullpen is shaping up, even though Gonzo would be welcome back. Wagner and a hopefully healthy Proctor, Moylan, O’Flaherty, add in a Dotel or Saito there and not too shabby.

Thrillhouse44

December 2nd, 2009
2:59 pm

Wayne, unfortunately, that season never ends with that guy.

Dr Hoo

December 2nd, 2009
3:02 pm

I really hope the comment from SportsSouth about knowing how the fanbase feels about Chip means he has no shot at the job…..I’d rather see Billy Sample back than listen to any more of Chip’s recycled stories and goofy laugh.

Gamec0ckBrave

December 2nd, 2009
3:02 pm

DOB, do you think that the Braves offered Soriano arbitration with the thought process that the Wagner signing would be a deterant to him(Soriano) coming back?

This may have been asked or stated, if so sorry.

Wayne in Utah

December 2nd, 2009
3:03 pm

dmack

Actually, last off season, the offense was as much ignored, as it was delayed until after the pressing rotation issues were resolved. At that time, not much was left but Loaf and a few others.

So, in saying that decent setup relievers are going to be around later in the winter, you are doing what we did last year with the offense.

Now, having stated that, I do think the offense will be addressed next (and a dump of some salary too). Doesn’t mean though that a bullpen arm can’t be added somewhere along the way.

But I do agree that arms for the pen are easier to get, but the GOOD bargains might come early???

Wayne in Utah

December 2nd, 2009
3:04 pm

meant to say “the offfense wasn’t as much ignored, as it was delayed…

Chuck James Was Solid Until The 6th!!!!!!

December 2nd, 2009
3:06 pm

dmack2027

Don’t forget EOF man! Even Cox said last year he has big plans for EOF this year, stepping his role up….I like our bullpen now but I like to consider Moylan a 7 inning guy if the starter can’t get there. Or, I like Moylan to come in against a tough righty like Werth, Wright, Hanley etc. (situational). I think getting Rodney or Dotel gives us a STACKED ‘pen!

But I won’t be content until we get Chipper’s protection and push Mac back to the 5-6 hole. I hope they get LaRoche back too. The man is full of class, laughs and a solid player. I think he’d take a 2YR/$12 deal hometown discount to play for Bobby his “last” season on the grounds that he’s comfortable in ATL. They’re making the playoffs if they land that bat and he’s best buddies with Chipper and Nate. Also, his home is there. He wants to win. I think he’d take the afformentioned deal I proposed over a 3YR/$25 deal from the Mariners, A’s or someother team with no chance to get to the postseason.

Also, not only does Roache RAKE in the 2nd half, he always came up big in the playoffs. (Excluding his running around the bases out at home during that epic 18th shattering game agains the Houston ‘Stroids, but word was he was throwing up in between innings. Anyway, yeah Clemens, Pettitte, Oswalt, Clemens relieving in a 5 game series. Yeah good luck. Oswalt is no cheater but Clemens and Pettitte on roids dominating is what cost ATL moving to the NLCS! We started Jorge Sosa against Oswalt in the pivotal game of the series!!! Okay I’ll stop, bad memories…)

Jim

December 2nd, 2009
3:09 pm

DOB:

Articles today have said that Wagner lives near Charlottesville, VA. There’s a William Wagner at Nonesuch Farms living near Charlottesville, but MLB.com bio of Wagner lists Tannersville, VA as his home. Tannersville is down south of Blacksburg, at least 3.5 hours south of Charlottesville down I-81. Nearest airport is probably Greensboro, NC. Heck, I was going to invite him to our Christmas party.

Wayne in Utah

December 2nd, 2009
3:09 pm

Thrill

The shame of it is this: When he gets off the BC bashing, he actually has decent stuff to say.

I think Dan is his twin…

STEELY DAN MAN

December 2nd, 2009
3:09 pm

Do I possibly have A.D.D. if I find the shorter posts more entertaining than the long drawn-out ones ?

Wayne in Utah

December 2nd, 2009
3:11 pm

Chuckie J

I think 2/12 would be a little cheap. A 1 year, 8 milion dollar offer with a 9 million dollar team option for 2011 and a 1 million dollar buyout would be closer to reality. Just my opinion though….

Wayne in Utah

December 2nd, 2009
3:13 pm

Steely Dan

You would be correct, but some of us get a bad case of keyboard diahrea sometimes!

:twisted:

toga party

December 2nd, 2009
3:16 pm

Chuck James Was Solid: no problem.

I would hope they have the archived version up later today for anyone that missed it. There wasn’t anything ground breaking discussed, but it was good to hear FW’s tone regarding his off-season plans, and Wags really does seem like he wanted to be with the Braves. Sounds like he really had fewer problems than he anticipated coming back from TJ surgery as well.

I think this has the potential to be an excellent deal.

nolie

December 2nd, 2009
3:19 pm

Lillibridge last year Wayne

what was wrong about dumping Lillibridge? Guy can’t hit his way out of a wet paper bag.

Wayne in Utah

December 2nd, 2009
3:22 pm

nolie

It is a problem I have with prospects…….I am seeking medical attention for it.

18 Wheels of Love

December 2nd, 2009
3:22 pm

Steely Dan Man,

Pretzel Logic, Katy Lied, or Aja?

NC Braves Fan

December 2nd, 2009
3:22 pm

Jim @ 3:09 – If he’s in Tannersville, the Tri Cities TN airport would be closer. Greensboro is a good 2.5 hours from there.

nolie

December 2nd, 2009
3:23 pm

predict a Dotel signing CJ

you really think they’ll take him back after he spent almost all of his previous Braves stint on the DL? Maybe, but it will surprise me.

NotAgain

December 2nd, 2009
3:28 pm

Do I possibly have A.D.D. if I find the shorter posts more entertaining than the long drawn-out ones Steely

not necessarily, maybe you’re just stupid. That’s a whole other condition.

Efrim

December 2nd, 2009
3:28 pm

Keith Law on Wagner to Atlanta:

The Atlanta Braves needed bullpen help and they signed one of the best relievers available in Billy Wagner — but the price is too high and Wagner isn’t good or reliable enough right now to merit giving up a first-round draft pick.

Wagner has thrown just 15 innings since Tommy John surgery, and threw on back-to-back days exactly once in 2009, in his final two appearances of the regular season. He’ll pitch at 38 in 2010, and while he still has good velocity and showed he can miss bats (even in the majors’ best division) last year, all of these risk factors should have driven his price down to a figure lower than what he’s been guaranteed, especially since none of last winter’s major reliever signings — Francisco Rodriguez, Kerry Wood, Brian Fuentes, or Brad Lidge — is above water right now.

If Wagner stays healthy for 2010, he’ll earn his $7 million and probably then some, maybe even enough to cover the lost value of the draft pick. That’s a best-case scenario; it’s more likely that Wagner either won’t stay healthy for the entire year or that Atlanta will have to manage his workload down to keep him on the field and effective. Big winners here? The Red Sox, who traded two non-prospects to the Mets for 14 innings of Wagner, a sandwich pick, and another pick that right now would be No. 20 overall.

nick

December 2nd, 2009
3:29 pm

Not that it makes much difference but ESPN said the Wagner deal is for $6.75 the first year and the rest the same.

PTNL

December 2nd, 2009
3:31 pm

Flange1, good point about signing another type A FA. I had wondered how that worked. I mean, I knew that across the board if such would happen then the team with the lowest rated type A would get a 2nd round choice. However, I was not sure how it works with the Braves as is probable for them to be getting 2 1st round picks because of their 2 type A’s. From what you have said, those two first round picks are secure even if we pick up another type A this off season, correct?

Nolie, I hear what you are saying about Laroach. But even still… if the Braves do get him, I dread the thought of people’s reaction to his first half production (or the lack of) as it is happening.

TheManMike

December 2nd, 2009
3:32 pm

Every game I watched in which Chip and Joe were announcing – There always seemed to be this strange twinge of animosity between them. Whether or not it was animosity, there was often times a flat out awkward air. It almost seemed they were on the verge of an argument. I know I wasn’t the only one to think this. Anyone here know Joe on a personal level that can either confirm or deny this?

Chip always seemed to enjoy too much a Braves “mix up” or moved on too quick for the good plays that happened when Joe wanted to keep up the good energy. Hope Chip moves on to other pastures – we need Braves fan announcing. Thoughts?

rammerjammer

December 2nd, 2009
3:34 pm

Our boy Keith Law weighs in and is unsurprisingly negative:

“The Atlanta Braves needed bullpen help and they signed one of the best relievers available in Billy Wagner — but the price is too high and Wagner isn’t good or reliable enough right now to merit giving up a first-round draft pick.

“Wagner has thrown just 15 innings since Tommy John surgery, and threw on back-to-back days exactly once in 2009, in his final two appearances of the regular season. He’ll pitch at 38 in 2010, and while he still has good velocity and showed he can miss bats (even in the majors’ best division) last year, all of these risk factors should have driven his price down to a figure lower than what he’s been guaranteed, especially since none of last winter’s major reliever signings — Francisco Rodriguez, Kerry Wood, Brian Fuentes, or Brad Lidge — is above water right now.”

The rest of the article is insider…

Chuck James Was Solid Until The 6th!!!!!!

December 2nd, 2009
3:34 pm

nolie

They go him at the deadline in 07 and he pitched 7 innings and got hurt, it happens man….

His last 2 seasons IN THE AMERICAN LEAGUE at that, check it:

2008: CWS 72 0 0 0 67.0 52 34 28 12 29 92 4 4 1 21 4 3.76
2009: CWS 62 0 0 0 62.1 54 26 23 7 36 75 3 3 0 16 3 3.32

Looks healthy to me now bud!

18 Wheels of Love

December 2nd, 2009
3:38 pm

Someone remind Keith Law about the 2 picks we should get for Gonzo and mfiky.

Chuck James Was Solid Until The 6th!!!!!!

December 2nd, 2009
3:38 pm

LOVE Skip, NOT SO MUCH Chip. He seems fake and has some aura to him that annoys me. His father kicked back and just went with the flow like none other (Except Petey VDubbs) Greatest tandem in broadcasting ever, hands down.

ncscoots

December 2nd, 2009
3:39 pm

Wagner isn’t good or reliable enough right now to merit giving up a first-round draft pick.

And if the Braves were pick-poor, he would be right. But, they aren’t and Law isn’t. Thanks for playing.

CB

December 2nd, 2009
3:40 pm

On a seperate issue,I have IE as a browser and it is refreshing slowly. Would anybody recommend Firefox as a browser and is there any danger of hurting my computer? Thanks for any help.

nolie

December 2nd, 2009
3:42 pm

They go him at the deadline in 07 and he pitched 7 innings and got hurt, it happens man… CJ

yeah I know it happens, and I have no trouble with getting him as he has done well in setup roles his entire career. Just saying I will be a bit surprised if they sign him again. with those last two seasons he won’t be all that cheap will he?

Fischerking04

December 2nd, 2009
3:43 pm

I use FireFox and it works well. It seems to keep all the crap out.

Jake W.

December 2nd, 2009
3:44 pm

I like the signing of Wagner if it means we lose both Soriano and Gonzo. Doubt Gonzo would ever except the arbitration but if he did it would hurt less than Soriano. Ultimatley I think Soriano will likely end up with the Cubs or a team that desperately needs a closer. His numbers are good. I think both are definately gone. I do worry about the price of Wagner though but I feel like thats probably what we would have paid for Gonzo or Soriano, maybe even more than that and a multi year deal. Its one less thing we have to worry about and now we can focus on trading one of the starters and upgrading the offense.

RC

December 2nd, 2009
3:45 pm

Someone remind Keith Law about the 2 picks we should get for Gonzo and mfiky.

The 2 picks wouldn’t matter in Law’s evaluation, as the value associated with the 20th pick doesn’t change based on whether the Braves have other picks or not.

That being said, I think Law is actually wrong in his evaluation. The marginal value of Wagner in 2010 (and possibly 2011) is worth more to the current Braves team than the money + the 20th pick would be. The fact that they have limited finincial resources means the Braves LIKELY wouldn’t have used all 5 draft picks on the highest rated players anyway (2 a piece from Soriano and Gonzo, plus the pick we lost for Wagner) since signability would become a HUGE issue when the team is selecting 5 players before the 2nd round begins. By signing Wagner, they essentially “gained” the cash that would have been spent to sign that draft pick, and there’s at least a decent chance they would have ended up with the same players anyway (meaning the pick that would have been 20th could be selected with the pick they get for Gonzo, the Gonzo pick is selected with the pick for Soriano, etc.).

Just Pat

December 2nd, 2009
3:45 pm

Rock On…..just getting to your comment earlier today about “24″…..my absolute FAV show on TV.

nolie

December 2nd, 2009
3:45 pm

PTNL

I’m not necessarily advocating that they re-sign Roachie, only that the fact that they didn’t offer arb doesn’t stop it from still happening. I think he’s the best FA available, but a trade might bring us someone better. IF they try to do first and OF, one might be a FA and one a trade. I also agree with some that another pen pitcher couldn’t hurt.

Just Pat

December 2nd, 2009
3:47 pm

Oh, 24 and House…….

nolie

December 2nd, 2009
3:48 pm

I think Law is actually wrong in his evaluation RC

I think so too.not every transaction should be determined by the same criteria. Of course if Billy comes up injured, it ain’t gonna be any fun.

Keith Law Is Kind Of A Jerk

December 2nd, 2009
3:49 pm

Just saying. The guy would throw cold water in a wedding toast.

Tomahawk1310

December 2nd, 2009
3:50 pm

How do those commenting that Nate lost his number know this? I’m at work and didn’t see the press conference. Did they already say they’re giving it to him? Isn’t it the player who already has the number decision? Nate was here first so it should be up to him. He plays everyday and it might mean more to him than to Wagner.

ncscoots

December 2nd, 2009
3:50 pm

The 2 picks wouldn’t matter in Law’s evaluation, as the value associated with the 20th pick doesn’t change based on whether the Braves have other picks or not.

Which is one of the reasons that Law is such a d-bag. He tunnel-visions most everything using The Law According To Law, gets married to his opinions, and then fails to see the doofus in the mirror.

Besides, the only folks allowed his level of arrogance are nolie and me, LOL, and we haven’t allowed Law into the club yet.

Jurrjens4NLCY

December 2nd, 2009
3:51 pm

Poor Grady Sizemore…

I feel bad for the guy…

VaBraveFan

December 2nd, 2009
3:53 pm

The Braves should add opne more reliever. Someone that stays healthy and is experienced. Someone like David Weathers. Wil Ohman is a free agent, Bring him back to Atlanta on a simaler deal we gave Scott Proctor.

We wont see any major moves invloving the big bat were looking for until after Javy or Lowe is moved. I’d like to see them wait for Lackey to be signed and Lowe and Javy should get way more attention. I hope we trade Lowe for salary relief, prolly only eating 3 mil each year of his remaining salary. Leaving the other team to pay Lowe 12 mil a year which is pretty good. We getting 2 good prospects and Salary relief for Lowe, then Using the money , to add a first baseman and outfielder. Hopefully they’ll work out a extenson for Javy.

RC

December 2nd, 2009
3:55 pm

Which is one of the reasons that Law is such a d-bag. He tunnel-visions most everything using The Law According To Law, gets married to his opinions, and then fails to see the doofus in the mirror.

Besides, the only folks allowed his level of arrogance are nolie and me, LOL, and we haven’t allowed Law into the club yet.

I wouldn’t go that far :) . From an economics standpoint he’s (partially) right, the value of that pick doesn’t change no matter how many 1st round picks the Braves have. But since that pick cannot be traded/sold in any way, the Braves would have likely found themselves in a position where they would have “wasted” it by not spending the money to sign the best available player there. Add that into the marginally value that Wagner could provide over the next two years, and I think the Braves made the right call.

DirtyYuni

December 2nd, 2009
3:57 pm

Two things:

1. Like the Wagner signing. But does it worry anyone else that when the Mets started playing poorly, he got awfully whiny and critical awfully quickly? I’m wondering if that’s a recipe for disaster when the Bravos go through their annual June swoon.

2. Do we still have EOF this year?

18 Wheels of Love

December 2nd, 2009
3:57 pm

I heard he’s changing his name to Grady Sizeless.

Chuck James Was Solid Until The 6th!!!!!!

December 2nd, 2009
3:59 pm

I agree his price tag will be high but if we can dump Lowe fairly quickly and with the $7 millionish gained from Gonzo, Soriano, Francoeur (Diaz makes less), that’s going to open up around $19 millionish to spend with the small raises to the like of Diaz, Hanson, Jurrjens etc.

So I think we can get that RH power bat, Dotel and I’m even all about getting Kotchman back for his doubles and D for the 8-Hole….

CB

December 2nd, 2009
4:00 pm

Thanks,Fischerking04.

Chuck James Was Solid Until The 6th!!!!!!

December 2nd, 2009
4:01 pm

Yeah ATL has EOF and as I mentioned earlier, Cox mentioned during last season he has big plans for EOF for next year. (Whatever that means)….

Jurrjens4NLCY

December 2nd, 2009
4:01 pm

On a seperate issue,I have IE as a browser and it is refreshing slowly. Would anybody recommend Firefox as a browser and is there any danger of hurting my computer? Thanks for any help.

Yes, it’s fantastic and it updates it self often to keep you away from sites with malware and junk

RC

December 2nd, 2009
4:03 pm

1. Like the Wagner signing. But does it worry anyone else that when the Mets started playing poorly, he got awfully whiny and critical awfully quickly? I’m wondering if that’s a recipe for disaster when the Bravos go through their annual June swoon.

If I remember, a lot of his “whining” was due to players in the clubhouse refusing to speak with reporters after tough losses (similar to what happened with Yunel last year or the year before), while he was left explaining why the team blew a game in which he didn’t even pitch. I don’t think this will be a problem with the Braves because Chipper and Bobby have already set the expectation level of how these things are to be handled, so Wagner won’t be put in that situation again. Yunel really seemed to learn his lesson after his “incident”, and all of the veteran players in the Braves clubhouse have shown that they don’t handle things that way (I remember one of the players Wagner was upset with was Beltran, who’s been around long enough to know better).

J-MAN

December 2nd, 2009
4:04 pm

Is there a crazy scenero where we trade both Lowe and Vazquez to a team for a TRUE cleanup hitter and an outfielder?

Just Pat

December 2nd, 2009
4:04 pm

One of my co-workers said it best……the Braves just won’t be the same without Bobby Cox….and he meant it as a compliment. With Bobby Bowden gone (not that I cared one way or the other) at least Cox is doing it the RIGHT way and not waiting to be pushed out, like Bowden.

Jim

December 2nd, 2009
4:04 pm

NC Brave Fan:

Thanks for geography lesson. Actually think he lives around here. I’m on lookout for alpacas.

Good signing. His strikeout/inning ratio was still vary high last September.

Andyman

December 2nd, 2009
4:05 pm

Tomahawk1310,

Wren, Wagner, and Cox posed for the standard jersey pic and it was number 13.

P. W. Hjort

December 2nd, 2009
4:05 pm

Good call, RC.

Chuck James Was Solid Until The 6th!!!!!!

December 2nd, 2009
4:07 pm

DirtyYuni

Wagner got “whiny” and upset that the NY media attacked for him after EVERY or ANY sort of controversy. He was fine giving his two cents here and there but he was mainly pissed at the fact that none of the “latino players” had to take any crap because they left the clubhouse early to avoid interviews etc. So he had every right to get upset cause he wasnt the sole reason their was turmoil and they were losing, he just wanted the latino players to step up and do their share giving answers to the media. As he quoted, “Some latin players act like they can’t speak english so they can avoid taking responsibility for the teams struggles.” That was all, he just wanted them to fess up and be accountable the way he was. At one point he was like THE only guy answering questions on all the negativity and eventually he got fed up, can you blame him??

He’ll fit PERFECT in the clubhouse, PERFECT!

VaBraveFan

December 2nd, 2009
4:08 pm

I wouldnt mind seeing Kotchman back at 1b if we got a real deal power hitter in LF. other than that nope. They should offer Roachy a 2 yr 16 mil deal. If retained Roachy that would be huge. Cause then we wouldnt need a huge power hitter. We could add someone like Mike Cameron who will add defense, power, baserunning at a decent price. We just have to deal with a Low Avg and all the K’s.
Add one more good reliever, and a couple older high reward low risk types.
Retain Roachy
Add Cameron

Playoffs here we come. And with our pitching watch out.

Chuck James Was Solid Until The 6th!!!!!!

December 2nd, 2009
4:09 pm

RC you beat me to it man….But we’re both on point..

Chuck James Was Solid Until The 6th!!!!!!

December 2nd, 2009
4:12 pm

My two cents:

Either resign LaRoche and get Cameron

OR

Sign Casey Kotchman back for his doubles and D and get a massive LF RH Bat

Both scenarios would be fine with me…. Add a Rodney or Dotel and let’s break camp!!!

This is gonna be a GREAT year guys!!!!

NC Braves Fan

December 2nd, 2009
4:12 pm

Jim: LOL @ alpacas!

I agree I think Wagner is a great signing.

DirtyYuni

December 2nd, 2009
4:14 pm

RC/CJ – Thanks for the clarification. I mean, I don’t blame the guy…if I was on the Muts, I’d be pissed all the time, too.

And I do think the Braves will do well to have a guy that’s a little more no bs and hard-nosed in the clubhouse. Actually think that’s something they’ve been missing (though i’m not in the locker room, so I don’t really know).

Just hope his arm holds up. If it does and we get compensatory picks for MFIKY and Gonzo, that’ll be great. Although, it sure wasn’t the pitching that was the problem last year…

BravesfaninWis

December 2nd, 2009
4:15 pm

Anyone have a different link to the Wagner press conference? The one that was posted on page 9 says that the video has ended and won’t play it over. Thanks in advance.

RC

December 2nd, 2009
4:15 pm

At one point he was like THE only guy answering questions on all the negativity and eventually he got fed up, can you blame him??

I don’t remember the story perfectly, but I thought that D. Wright and Delgado were also among the players that stayed to answer questions, although I might be wrong on Delgado. I do remember that two of the players it was implied he was angry with were Beltran and Reyes.

Tomahawk1310

December 2nd, 2009
4:16 pm

Andyman

Wow that’s pretty ballsy to just take the guy’s number right away, i wonder if they even asked or just gave it to Wagner. Way to just come over and take the guys number from him.

Just Pat

December 2nd, 2009
4:17 pm

Perhaps Chip (after seeing what happened with his dad before the fans reacted so much) was TOO careful about being called a “homeboy” or something. I’d still rather have him than Joe Morgan…..ANY day!

David O'Brien

December 2nd, 2009
4:19 pm

Just back from the Wagner press conference at Turner Field. Refreshing guy to interview, very straightforward, good sense of humor, and says a lot.

He was impressed, by the way, when Bobby Cox flew to Charlottesville last Tuesday along with Wren and Roger McDowell to pay a recruiting visit of sorts. The negotiations began in earnest and he wanted to pitch here, has been a life-long Braves fan like everyone else in his family and a lot of others in his small southwest Virginia hometown (he lives on a farm now outside Charlottesville, raises angus beef, alpacas and corn, and does a lot of hunting on his property).

Wren said Braves are ahead of the game now with Wagner, Hudson and Proctor (bet you all forgot about him; I did) signed before Winter Meetings even begin.

But he also said they might still get something else done before meetings, though he wouldn’t hint what. They’re still looking to add a setup man and offense, which he said could come at 1B, OF or a combination-type player, but he also indicated there are about 10 or more guys high on their list, that it’s not narrowed down to three or four yet.

David O'Brien

December 2nd, 2009
4:20 pm

Alright, gonna transcribe this interview and will give you some quotes later. Did you guys know Wagner was a natural right-hander? He broke his arm twice in one year when he was somewhere between 6 and 9 (he can’t remember), and starting throwing a ball against the barn left-handed one day because he couldn’t do anything with his right arm in a cast. Voila.

Rob (from SC)

December 2nd, 2009
4:20 pm

Jurrjens4NLCY

What happened to Grady Sizemore

RC

December 2nd, 2009
4:21 pm

Anyone on here have a subscription to Baseball America? I’m thinking of ending my Baseball Prospectus website subscription (just not a lot of great content recently), and switching over the Baseball America for next year. Any opinions that anyone has that can help inform my decision would be appreciated. Thanks!

J-MAN

December 2nd, 2009
4:21 pm

Who should we go after: Soriano, Gonzalez, Fernando Rodney, or Dotel?

David O'Brien

December 2nd, 2009
4:21 pm

Oh, and he’s going to keep his fave No. 13, McLouth agreed to give it up. It’s special to Wagner, who has worn it since his late grandfather, a coal miner, left him the number on a badge they used to wear in the mines, where they had numbers instead of names.

hydee

December 2nd, 2009
4:21 pm

Bring back Julian :)

Just Pat

December 2nd, 2009
4:22 pm

DOB….you’re right…..I had forgotten Proctor and STILL can’t remember him. ;-)

J-MAN

December 2nd, 2009
4:23 pm

Could the Twins trade justin morneau?

David O'Brien

December 2nd, 2009
4:23 pm

J-Man: Braves think first two on your list are going to be too expensive, hence the aggressive recruitment of Wagner and discussions with others including the last two on your list. They want another setup man now.

Soph

December 2nd, 2009
4:24 pm

That’s nice of Nate. Very cool meaning behind the number for Wagner too.

Duke

December 2nd, 2009
4:24 pm

Oh, and he’s going to keep his fave No. 13, McLouth agreed to give it up. It’s special to Wagner, who has worn it since his grandfather, a coal miner, left him the number from the badges they used to wear in the mines, which had numbers instead of their names.

Jeez, that’s heavy shit

Just Pat

December 2nd, 2009
4:24 pm

Well, thank heavens McLouth agreed to give No. 13 up or poor Wagner would already have strikes against him from some of these bloggers for “taking” it.

VaBraveFan

December 2nd, 2009
4:26 pm

Chuck James…

Yeah man, we dont need a big bopper if those 2 are added (Roachy,Cameron). I’d really like to see Wil Ohman signed to a minor league deal with a spring invite. He pitched great for us. And he should come very cheap.
Tons of good relievers to add Hawkins, Dotel, Rodney, Saito, Bentecourt, Calero, Lyon,
then u have guys a group of older, some injury prone, experienced guys that can help a major league team. Ohman, Mota, Weathers, Putz, Ryan, Vizciano, Yates, Shoeinwies, Bradoford, Beaz, Gordon.

Some of those guys could come very cheap and have a high reward possibility. You can never have to many arms.

Jurrjens4NLCY

December 2nd, 2009
4:26 pm

has been a life-long Braves fan like everyone else in his family and a lot of others in his small southwest Virginia hometown

Funny. Every Braves acquisition has been a “life long Braves fan.”

I really doubt it, I think he’s a life long Bobby Cox fan.

PTNL

December 2nd, 2009
4:26 pm

Sorry, nolie. I did not mean to imply that you were advocating (or otherwise), I was just making comment about how so many are so gungho about the most recent taste about things, but when reality strikes and the taste is different for a while, the “mood” changes.

Anyway, I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on last season. I don’t come to the blog during the season because of the aforementioned mood swings, but I would be interested is what you saw as surprises, what went pretty much as you thought they would go, and things that you regret.

I was surprised that the Brave’s FO went the way of the blog and put so much stock in a CF prospect seemingly based on ST. It is not that I think the guy is not good, though some argue that the problem he had in the majors was his injury (something I don’t totally deny), I really expected them to do with him what they did with Hanson since it seemed that they had other options in house.

I also have been surprised at how they have handled Medlin. They would know much better than I, but on the surface it seemed strange that a guy who was actually pitching (as a starter) better than Hanson and who started to blossom when they changed him to starting would be used in the bullpen. I still can’t help but wonder if this guy could not be a better starter than what little we have seen from him.
Diaz was a pleasant surprise to me. He did better than I thought he would. But obviously, not so much as to blow anyone’s mind. lol
Anderson did about what I expected…. maybe a little less, but nothing to cry about.
I was not so surprised by Kotch himself as I was surprised by the general dislike for him. It seemed that the there was a film over everyone’s eyes that made him look worse than he was. The guy made a difference for us in many games… mostly on defense… but that counts, too. And he was not non productive in offense. Not an ideal first base production, but not empty either. But that is what we could get and should have known from the start that is what we had.
To me, last year was the first year of “rebuilding” or whatever you want to call it. It was the year we got free from the very heavy millstone called Mike Hampton’s contract. Last year pitching was priority. Now the FO can focus on other things. First base had to be what it was, as is true of LF and other positions.
I was also surprised, somewhat, that Frenchy continued to do as poorly as he did for the Braves last year. Again, it was not earth shattering, but I did expect him to some better.
I did not expect Lowe to actually be an ace, but though I was not surprised by his year, I was a somewhat disappointed that he did not pitch better.
Vasquez was not a surprise to me. I think the Braves really were not surprised either. I think they got what they expected. I know that a lot of people are all for keeping him now… again the mood of the moment… but I think he is legit. Having said that, I could see where the Braves still may need to trade him depending on what they get in return. But as far as surprises of last year, he was not one to me.
I was surprised by our bench last year. I thought going into the season that that was actually a very strong point and one that would make a difference. But instead (no name calling here) certain players actually hurt us a great deal. I guess I should say “a” certain player. Of course, Infante’s injury was a big blow there also. But the BC was as expected. I was glad when we got him and am still glad.
I can’t say that Hanson was a surprise, but his record is a bit of a surprise to me. His first few outings were rougher than his record shows. I expected it to be a little rougher, but he managed to get out of those games without any damage (except his first game). But there is much promise there.

That is all I can think of off the top of my head. Just a quick rundown.

As I said, I would be interested to know your thoughts also.

BTW, sorry for the miscommunication regarding roachy.

RC

December 2nd, 2009
4:28 pm

Did you guys know Wagner was a natural right-hander? He broke his arm twice in one year when he was somewhere between 6 and 9 (he can’t remember), and starting throwing a ball against the barn left-handed one day because he couldn’t do anything with his right arm in a cast. Voila. – DOB

I remember either Pete or Skip telling that story on TBS way back when Wagner was closing for Houston one year, I think in 97 or 98. He came in with a 1-run Astros lead and I remember being excited that we had Javy Lopez, Ryan Klesko, and someone else good (maybe Andruw?) coming up that inning. 3 up, 3 down, 3 Ks. I’d never seen our lineup get so dominated at that point before.

David O'Brien

December 2nd, 2009
4:28 pm

Oh, and he wouldn’t give me a straight answer when I asked how tall he is. He’s listed as 5-11, and let’s just say that’s generous. Closer to 5-9, I’d suggest. Not that it matters, since he’s long since proven that it does not in his case.

He’s got four kids, and one of his boys got a kick out of me calling his dad an FOC (Friend of Chipper) in a blog last week. The kid asked him all wide-eyed, “Do you know Chipper?”

(Hey, folks up there are Braves/Chipper fans, he said.)

Jurrjens4NLCY

December 2nd, 2009
4:30 pm

Rob,

Grady Sizemore sent nude photos to his girlfriend’s email, and someone hacked her account and posted them on the internet.

I bet he wished Tiger’s accident happened a few days later…

Poor guy.

O.J.

December 2nd, 2009
4:30 pm

Anyone know where I can watch a recording of the Press Conference?

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