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And Idiot
November 25th, 2009
3:01 pm
Minor cannot be traded this off-season. He was taken in the most recent draft, making him ineligible for a trade until sometime later. I forget exactly when he’d be eligible, but I’m sure somebody on here knows! Guys and gals?
Jeff R
November 25th, 2009
3:04 pm
And Idiot… I didn’t nkow that. Good point. I just think Wren would trade Minor now, even if he could. Again, I believe he’s projected for the rotation later in 2010 or at the srtart of the 2011 season. I think management likes Minor a lot and have him on a fast track.
Eric B
November 25th, 2009
3:04 pm
Hey I grew up eating Parker’s in Greenville, NC too lol. But since it changed hands it’s not quite as good as it was in the 80’s imo. On the other hand the Wilson Parker’s is till awesome and Bill’s is pretty good also. My family and I reside in Tarboro,NC now but still frequent the both the Wilson establishments you referenced. Enjoy your Holidays up here in Carolina…and Happy Thanksgiving to all my fellow Braves fans.
Jeff R
November 25th, 2009
3:05 pm
Typed way too fast. Wren wouldN’T trade Minor now…
beekay
November 25th, 2009
3:06 pm
I hope Schafer does become a starter if he stays, but curious to how his post juice #’s will come out. I just think to get a guy like Ludwick(made 3.7 mill) who would have finished with about 26-28 hrs and 120 rbis had he not gotten injured you got to give up more than the Jo-Jo’s and Brandon Jones of the world
beekay
November 25th, 2009
3:07 pm
I wouldn’t trade Minor. I think he will be in our rotation in 2011 and is a better prospect than Medlen.
Chris
November 25th, 2009
3:11 pm
white sox signs andrew jones for $500K
O.J.
November 25th, 2009
3:11 pm
beekay, I dont even know what you are saying anymore. Its like, at first, you are talking about trading Lowe, Medlin and Schafer for Ludwick, which makes no sense for both sides, then its Lowe, Jo Jo, and Schafer, AGAIN for Ludwick, and it still makes no sense, then you say “I just think to get a guy like Ludwick(made 3.7 mill) who would have finished with about 26-28 hrs and 120 rbis had he not gotten injured you got to give up more than the Jo-Jo’s and Brandon Jones of the world.”
Which is true, we never said we wouldnt want Ludwick, but the Cardinals are not giving him up AND taking on Lowe’s salary. That just makes no sense to the Cards at all.
What would have made sense is if you said, the Braves trade Lowe and pay 10.5 million of his total contract for just Ludwick, then the Cards might actually do that.
Bluestreak
November 25th, 2009
3:14 pm
Good, now all the ‘let’s bring back AJ talk’ can stop early. Thankfully hasn’t been too much of that this year, but watching him play now is just painful.
Mike
November 25th, 2009
3:17 pm
White Sox sign Andruw Jones!!
just the facts
November 25th, 2009
3:19 pm
I hope Schafer does become a starter if he stays, but curious to how his post juice #’s will come out.
From Gordon Edes of Yahoo Sports last March 28:
The circumstances of Schafer’s suspension remain hazy. He was punished after a probe by MLB’s newly formed Department of Investigations, which reportedly suspected him of using HGH through anecdotal evidence. No tangible evidence existed. Had he been a Major Leaguer, the Players Association would have fought it and probably won.
Schafer was adamant that he had never used HGH or steroids. He said in an interview that his initial inclination was to fight it, but decided he’d get a more sympathetic hearing if he accepted responsibility.
One source familiar with the case said that Schafer may have been unwilling to implicate another person close to him.
Shawn
November 25th, 2009
3:19 pm
MLBTR is reporting that the Chicago White Sox have just signed FA Andruw Jones for half a mil!
brian
November 25th, 2009
3:21 pm
Andruw Jones has been signed by the White Sox! Wren could’ve had the former star for $500,000.
raleighbravefan
November 25th, 2009
3:21 pm
macd – I pretty much agree, although I think Wilbers has gone down some. I would add Mccalls, which also has great Calabash style seafood. That said, Parkers is still damn good, and I would gladly eat there anytime.
BTW DOB, Little Eva (of Locomotion fame) worked the last years of her life at the Skylight, and died poor.
dogsbrekky
November 25th, 2009
3:22 pm
Who are the White Sox if nothing more than an introduction to those great pizza parlors and pancake houses in Streeterville
Andy will be 325lbs before he gets outta there
Once he finds Lou Malnatis and Due, he is a goner
JuicyJuice
November 25th, 2009
3:23 pm
Andruw Jones is a Chicago White Sock!!!! Unbelievable!! Where did this come from??
HarryTheBrave
November 25th, 2009
3:24 pm
Don’t know if it’s been said here but Andruw Jones has been signed by the White Sox for $500K!!!!
stynes
November 25th, 2009
3:24 pm
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And Idiot
November 25th, 2009
3:26 pm
Great news about AJ and the Sox!!!
Now, beekay can trade Lowe, Schafer, Medlin & JoJo for him since he’s signed for a LOT less than Ludwig! Sorry, beekay. I couldn’t resist!
O.J.
November 25th, 2009
3:26 pm
Wow, hey everyone, in case you havent heard, Andruw is a White Sox now!!!!! LOL
jeffrey d
November 25th, 2009
3:26 pm
jeffrey d-Yeah, I figured you weren’t overly serious. I just have this fear of a bench like the old ones with Pete Orr, Keith Lockhart and Willie Harris. Lew
Don’t forget Langerhans!
Steve from OH
November 25th, 2009
3:26 pm
Wren couldn’t trade Minor this offseason even if he wanted too. Can’t trade him (and all of the ‘09 draftees) until after the 2010 draft.
jeffrey d
November 25th, 2009
3:27 pm
white sox signs andrew jones for $500K
I can see at least 3 things wrong with that sentence.
Macon Braves (RIP)
November 25th, 2009
3:29 pm
Andruw Jones has been signed by the White Sox! Wren could’ve had the former star for $500,000.
FORMER star is the key word in that sentence. What good would signing Andruw for $500,000 have done? He fills NO whole, unless your suggesting he would be the outfield bat the Braves are looking for? Please for goodness sake don’t suggest that.
And Idiot
November 25th, 2009
3:30 pm
There’s a great little BBQ place in my hometown in Alabama. They only open for lunch, and if you’re not there by 12:15 everything is gone. Everyone’s tried to get them to move to a larger place so they can cook more food, but they’re happy with what they’re doing. It’s called Hobo’s, because it’s next to the railroad trax.
18 Wheels of Love
November 25th, 2009
3:31 pm
Hey Stynes, thanks for the heads up on the ESPN deal. I’m gonna give it a shot for the Insider stuff.
Bluestreak
November 25th, 2009
3:40 pm
Jeff D: White Sox sign Andrew Jones for $500K
Did I get the things you found? (am I really this board that I am correcting grammar on a blog…sheesh)
jeffrey d
November 25th, 2009
3:42 pm
(am I really this board that I am correcting grammar on a blog…sheesh)
So the other day my friend asked me what the definition of “irony” was
Anyway, subject verb agreement is mistake one, Andruw spelled Andrew is mistake two, and why anyone would want Andruw Jones is mistake three.
McFann O
November 25th, 2009
3:44 pm
Bluestreak White Sox sign Andrew Jones for $500K
Did I get the things you found?
It’s still missing punctuation…
raleighbravefan
November 25th, 2009
3:50 pm
Bluestreak – it’s BORED not BOARD
keylargo
November 25th, 2009
3:54 pm
“Jeff D: White Sox sign Andrew Jones for $500K”
Did I get the things you found? (am I really this board that I am correcting grammar on a blog…sheesh) Bluestreak
BS – some one is going to hit you in the head with a “bored” if you don’t learn how to spell Andruw.
jeffrey d
November 25th, 2009
3:56 pm
Maybe he really is a board.
jeffrey d
November 25th, 2009
3:56 pm
What if he’s that Operation guy??
McPoyle
November 25th, 2009
4:05 pm
I swear Kenny Williams will sign anybody. I’s like he just signs players just to sign them… with no rhyme or reason. The Chi Sox have to have made more transactions over the past 3 years than any other team in baseball. Their teams have consisted of guys who can hit the longball and nothing else, and Andruw fits that mold perfectly, he is the prototypical Kenny Williams’ sign. Getting players on the downsloap of their career seems to be another Kenny trend… if Chipper gets hurt this season, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Kenny go after him like he went after Peavy last season.
itcouldbeworse
November 25th, 2009
4:05 pm
anyone else find it funny that for 20 min on this blog everyone posted the same thing about the jones signing….come on guys read the comments befor you post
Tommy T
November 25th, 2009
4:09 pm
Kind of ironic that Kenny Williams b!tches about Bobby Jenks being fat and then signs Andruw Jones.
And Idiot
November 25th, 2009
4:10 pm
Is Andruw still getting money from the Dodgers in ‘10? I quit paying attention to him a good while back.
Patrick
November 25th, 2009
4:15 pm
So…super agent Scott Boras has done an excellent job with Andruw. Convinced him to the leave the Braves…then he gets cut by the Dodgers and now can barely find a job and Boras could care less about him,let’s him sign for a measily 500K but free agency really even starts. Gotta love a guy like that to be your agent.
nolie
November 25th, 2009
4:24 pm
Obviously Bobby Cox is under contract for the 2010 season. But this does not mean that they could not buy out his contract and him be replaced. Don
how f’ing obsessively stupid can one jaskass be? Sure they are gonna renew him and then turn around and buy it out. No wonder your posts are so damned stupid if that is the level of intelligence that you have to deal with.
nolie
November 25th, 2009
4:31 pm
Not to mention Canizares Lew
you really think Canny is gonna make the big team? Or did I miss some sarcasm?
That would be a surprise to me if he did.
Bluestreak
November 25th, 2009
4:38 pm
Ah!!
Yeah, Andruw not Andrew…and bored not board. I’m not even going after the whole punctuation issue.
Guess it pays not to be splitting my time between work and this blog…
Think I’ll quit working…
nolie
November 25th, 2009
4:40 pm
Offering arb is not a true risk, even if accepted. Arb-based salaries (contracts) are NOT guaranteed. Teams can essentially just cut them with minimal damage – other than the loss of the player without compensation And Idiot
appropriate name dude j/k
doesn’t really work like that, no way the Braves can prove they have a bullpen full of pitchers better than either of those guys. you almost never see that occur
stynes
November 25th, 2009
4:57 pm
No problem, 18 Wheels of Love. I saw a good deal and figured some of my fellow Braves baseball, BBQ, MIB blog denizens may appreciate the deal as well. After placing my own order and reading through the comments it appears that a number of folks ordered for the exact same reason – $5 for a year of ESPN Insider as opposed to $6.95/month.
And Idiot
November 25th, 2009
5:23 pm
nolie
You don’t have to prove that everybody in your bullpen is better. The decision to cut someone just has to be a “baseball” decision rather than a “financial” decision. And that’s not that big of a stretch. It happens. You don’t have to be And Idiot to understand it, although it helps!
And Wren said essentially the same thing I said when asked (by Bowman, if I’m not mistaken) if the team might “risk” offering arbitration to the three guys in question – Gonzo, LaRoche, and Rafy.
Il Cattivo
November 25th, 2009
5:33 pm
Are the Red Sox not interested in anyone?
All you read about is Red Sox this Red Sox that. The Yankees may actually better now.
nolie
November 25th, 2009
5:37 pm
You don’t have to prove that everybody in your bullpen is better. The decision to cut someone just has to be a “baseball” decision rather than a “financial” decision. and idiot
what do you think “baseball decision” means dude? The union would fight tooth and nail if you could not prove he was less than other players. You need a reason that you can prove to the union. It happens very seldom, but since you are so sure it’s a regular occurrence when don’t you list the last half dozen or so times it has happened? Shouldn’t have to go back too long to find them if you are right.
Lew
November 25th, 2009
5:50 pm
nolie-someone else mentioned Canizares as part of our 2010 bench. I was pointing out basically what you said-why would he even be on the team..
And Idiot
November 25th, 2009
5:58 pm
nolie – “what do you think “baseball decision” means dude? The union would fight tooth and nail if you could not prove he was less than other players.”
“Baseball decision” means one that is not blatantly and strictly a “financial” decision. And it’s the union that has to “prove” that it wasn’t the former, not the other way around.
“since you are so sure it’s a regular occurrence”
When did I say it’s a “regular” occurrence??? I said, “It happens,” If you think those phrases mean the same thing, I can’t help you.
In the meantime, I’ll defer to the guy that “told me” that the risk of offering arbitration is lessened by the fact that arbitration contracts are not guaranteed. (Wish I could find a link for you – I’ve tried and will continue, but it has been about a month since I read it.) The guy’s name was Frank Wren and he was answering a question about the risk of offering arbitration to Gonzalez, Soriano, and LaRoche. Kind of “on point.”
Bay Area Steve
November 25th, 2009
6:01 pm
stynes,
I can’t believe you, sir. One of our very own online rutters posted that same subscription for 25% less. How dare you try to rip off the good denizens here. I mean, 25% equates to 100 cents. And, in this economy, at Christmas time, no less. The gall. Think if the money lost if they ordered three years? Holy Cornelia.
You should be banned.
Moby Grape
November 25th, 2009
6:02 pm
If you think that the Braves could sign LaRoche for instance to an $8,000,000 contract and then cut him in spring training with no other regular first baseman on the team and convince MLB and the union that it was a baseball decision, then you indeed have aptly named yourself sir.
Wayne in Utah
November 25th, 2009
6:07 pm
I bet Ozzie is going to LOVE Andruw!
Jeff R
November 25th, 2009
6:11 pm
Andruw Jones: gypsy ballplayer… who would have thunk it 4 or 5 years ago?
Why on earth would Wren bring Andruw back? The Braves had him, for the most part, when he was really good. Now, he’s just a page or two in the Braves’ history book. That’s where he should stay.
Moby Grape
November 25th, 2009
6:12 pm
I bet Ozzie is going to LOVE Andruw Wayne
now that is a funny thought.
Bobby's Cox
November 25th, 2009
6:16 pm
So…super agent Scott Boras has done an excellent job with Andruw. Convinced him to the leave the Braves… Patrick
Boras didn’t convince Andruw to leave the Braves. I believe what happened was that the Braves called Andruw into their office after his last season with them, and told him they would NOT be signing him and bringing him back. It’s more like the Braves left Andruw, and for good reason.
I remember my Dodger fan friends getting all excited over the signing, bragging, et al like they did when LA stole Furcal from us (the 1st time). I told them we didn’t want him back and why. It was pretty obvious if you watched AJ play everyday. Looks like I got the last laugh on that one.
Boras has done a good job with Andruw. He got him a huge contract w/ LA when it was apparent Andruw had issues, then got him a mediocre contact (while still being paid by LA), with a powerhouse hitting team, ballpark, and hitting coach in Texas to try and turn his career around. Andruw signing before the arbitration deadline is not a big deal. In fact, I think it was a smart move. Adruw is in a big city with a big market team who is cutting payroll – a team that just got rid of a slow Jermaine Dye with sever diminishing skills and defensive issues. And, I might add, a team who has a former AJ teammate as their manager. Boras once again put Andruw in a good situation, and before the market got more convoluted by the Dec.1 arb decisions, winter meetings in early Dec, etc..
Roman Gal
November 25th, 2009
6:18 pm
Shafer will be our Blanco at best. beekay
[sigh] How can you possibly think that?
Moe Berg
November 25th, 2009
6:22 pm
“I bet Ozzie is going to LOVE Andruw!”
Does anyone remember how they got along when they both played together in Atlanta?
Roman Gal
November 25th, 2009
6:23 pm
One of our very own online rutters posted that same subscription for 25% less. BAS
The nerve of the non-rutters. Always tryin’ to rip folks off…
Jim
November 25th, 2009
6:32 pm
For Thanksgiving, we should all remember Kenny Williams who now has saved us all a few hours of Hot Stove reading by taking Andruw out of circulation.
Until Braves trade either Lowe or Vasquez, the calculus of what they might do is just too speculative. In the meantime, given interest in Soriano and Gonzales, they should offer both arbitration. As for LaRoche, they probably should do the same even though he’s only a “B,” and so just a between round pick if he goes elsewhere. Point is, though that LaRoche seems to have a special quality when he plays for Braves. We just don’t know – and shouldn’t – whether Braves think they can get another 1B, or another Gonzales, or what. I’m still not convinced Freeman will be ready in ‘11, so if we gave LaRoche, or someone else a three-year deal, that would not be end of world. Anyone recall what sort of contract A.Dunn has? How many more years?
BravesFanForever
November 25th, 2009
6:33 pm
I’m a little late into this since it was yesterday, but I’m trying to catch up… Maybe I can give DOB some lessons on how to tell a joke…
Here is how you do it…
You say, “The Braves have acquired Abreu”, NOT “The Braves have acquired Bobby Abreu.” Why, because the second statement is an outright lie. The first statement is actually true even though it could be misleading especially if you put an exclamation point at the end. But it would be funny to see the comments that erupt. “What do you mean, Bobby Abreu!!??”
Then after about 5-10 minutes you announce that the Braves have actually acquired Juan Abreu. Then say, “What? I never said anything about Bobby.” Hah hah, everyone has a little laugh about it.
Next time you want to tell a joke DOB, be sure to discuss it with me. Apparently you don’t understand joking 101.
Your lie about Bobby wasn’t very funny…
Moby Grape
November 25th, 2009
6:39 pm
How can you possibly think that? RG
many of the opinions expressed here are… puzzling (being polite)
beekay
November 25th, 2009
6:46 pm
Shafer would be a defensive repladcement and pinch runner at best next year. We will get a power bat and have Mcclouth and Diaz as the starters until Heyward comes up. That makes him the 5th outfielder at best if we don’t resign churchie…so yes I see him a s a Blanco at best next year IF he makes the teAM
beekay
November 25th, 2009
6:46 pm
Shafer would be a defensive replacement and pinch runner at best next year. We will get a power bat and have Mcclouth and Diaz as the starters until Heyward comes up. That makes him the 5th outfielder at best if we don’t resign churchie…so yes I see him a s a Blanco at best next year IF he makes the teAM
nolie
November 25th, 2009
7:13 pm
When did I say it’s a “regular” occurrence??? I said, “It happens,” If you think those phrases mean the same thing, I can’t help you And Idiot
snarkiness aside, when you say ‘it happens’ you obviously are implying that it occurs often enough to justify what you are saying. The feeling that you are conveying is that it is as easy as you say it is, but if it doesn’t happen regularly-which it doesn’t, actually very seldom-then your implication is purposely misleading
Basic communication, so you can shove that particular crap where the sun don’t shine sweetie.and if you can’t understand that, I might not be able to help you, but I’ll be glad to give you a demonstration.
David O'Brien
November 25th, 2009
7:54 pm
Hope everyone who wants to be is home with family and ready to have a great Thanksgiving. We’re thankful for all of you and for baseball (preferably without ‘roids or growth hormone, if that’s still an option).
Just drove from Atlanta, made it in under 7 hrs despite a few traffic snarls and constant dread of being pulled over by countless cops along the way….
Anyway, BBQ:
While I still prefer the Eastern N.C.-style hog (chopped pork with clear vinegar sauce, no tomato), I give a a full recommendation for Smiley’s BBQ in Lexington, N.C., purveyors of the “Western N.C.” aka Lexington-style pork Q, with some tomato in the vinegar sauce. Ate there at lunch today on the drive up to Wilson, N.C., and it was freakin’ outstanding. Had the sandwich they do best, from what I’m told — the coarse chopped pork. With some mighty fine hushpuppies and creamy mac & cheese side dish. Add a tall glass of sweet tea done just right — where the first sip reminds you of eating waffles with syrup — and you got yourselves a first-class meal for about $7.
Next up, my old standby, Parker’s here in Wilson. Gotta get through turkey day eating the traditional bird and fixings, but after that it’s Q Friday and Saturday and taking home a pound of the stuff when we drive Sunday.
By the away, I’ve literally never seen as many troopers pulling over speeders as I saw today in all three states — Georgia., S.C. and N.C. We counted between 20 and 25 (lost track somewhere near Durham).
Steve from OH
November 25th, 2009
8:04 pm
A very happy Thanksgiving to you, DOB, and thanks for all you do for us. And a happy Thanksgiving for all you bloggers out there; hope you spend it eating some good grub with the family.
And Idiot
November 25th, 2009
8:04 pm
Moby Grape
“If you think that the Braves could sign LaRoche for instance to an $8,000,000 contract and then cut him in spring training with no other regular first baseman on the team and convince MLB and the union that it was a baseball decision, then you indeed have aptly named yourself sir”
I didn’t say that. I didn’t think it. I didn’t even insinuate that. nolie insinuated that I did. A lot of assuming going on here. Such as:
“snarkiness aside, when you say ‘it happens’ you obviously are implying that it occurs often enough to justify what you are saying. The feeling that you are conveying is that it is as easy as you say it is, but if it doesn’t happen regularly-which it doesn’t, actually very seldom-then your implication is purposely misleading” nolie
No, it isn’t obvious unless you are assuming something that was neither said nor implied. I never said it was “easy,” either. I simply said that ‘it happens,’ which implies only that it has happened before and it will probably happen again.
Purposely misleading? Maybe I didn’t explain every detail of my supposed dastardly plan to screw over some hapless ballplayer, but rather figured you all to be smart enough to understand simple English (and the rules of major league baseball) enough that I didn’t need to.
Nor did I succumb to the childish temptation to call you “and idiot,” nor did I feel the desire to place something in an unnatural part of your anatomy. Well, maybe I thought it, but I didn’t say it like you did. Must be some obscure symbol of manhood to publicly lambaste and insult someone for saying something you didn’t agree with. Not sure what to call doing the same over something they never actually said just because you ass/u/me/d something else was was meant by what they DID say when it wasn’t. :0
bravesfaninmetsland
November 25th, 2009
8:08 pm
happy Thanksgiving to you DOB and all the denizens on here. The off season is much more enjoyable with this blog around. Enjoy the holiday and the pulled pork!!
GboroBravo
November 25th, 2009
8:19 pm
DOB have you ever had Carter brothers in High Point? Very good and its eastern style.
P. W. Hjort
November 25th, 2009
8:26 pm
Forgot who recommended the Phish Exile on Main St. show, but I just got it.
MDBraves
November 25th, 2009
8:28 pm
Just think about how the Braves acquired Soriano. For Horacio Ramirez. Trade Lowe to a team who has given up on a young reliever. If a player the caliber of Soriano can be acquired for Horacio Ramirez (who was arbitration eligible) then im sure it can done with Lowe. If you have to, maybe pay about 4 million of Lowe’s contract to make the deal “sweeter.” If you acquire a young reliever making say $400,000 then that all only costs you $4.4 million. The same price as a middle of the road, middle aged reliever.
Jeff R
November 25th, 2009
8:29 pm
DOB, Enjoy turkey day!
Cameron B
November 25th, 2009
8:37 pm
DOB
You actually liked Smiley’s?
I’ve never been a fan (never had strong enough dip any time I’ve ever gone).
Speedy’s, right up the road from Smiley’s, would’ve be my recommendation in Lexington (even over the venerable Lexington BBQ owned by the Monks…which I think is terrible when you consider quality, price, and the crowd…and the BBQ Center).
But, above all places in the BBQ Capital of the World, I like the sweeter dips offered by places like Tommy’s in Thomasville and Rick’s in Welcome (both out of your way in this scenario, but still quality places).
McFann O
November 25th, 2009
8:38 pm
Thanks, Chief! Hope you (and everyone here) have a Happy Thanksgiving, too!
J-MAN
November 25th, 2009
8:39 pm
I’ve been reading some of our prospects rankings and other than Freeman and Heyward it is really deep with pitching. We might wanna put some of these prospects together for a bat and Trade Lowe for some prospects.
nolie
November 25th, 2009
8:43 pm
Nor did I succumb to the childish temptation to call you “and idiot,” nor did I feel the desire to place something in an unnatural part of your anatomy.
i don’t know why you are talking to moby about something i said, but my response was to your snarky insult about my not being able to understand your posts, and there was a smiley there in case you didn’t notice.
you are changing the tone about what you originly posted. you sound like paul l. .four or five people obviously understood it just like i did and told you it didn’t work that way,and it doesn’t.
that out is there to protect a team in case a free agent just falls apart, it is not there to give a club an opportunity to testdrive free agents and that is what all of us said. for some reason you chose to answer me instead of any of the others who said basically the same thing, and my original post was no stronger than anyone elses.
you are telling us that the club doesn’t have to have a provable reason to invoke that out like you know what you are talking about, which is obviously not true.if they have no provable reason it isn’t gonna happen. there
is a reason it almost never happens, and no matter your weaseling out now, the tone of your original post was that it was a reasonable action.if that’s not what you meant, just what exactly did you mean and why did you post it?
on a practical level, just what do you think that action even if marginally justified would do to their future free agent endeavors?
it’s also pretty naive to name yourself like that and not expect someone to play on it.and get mad if they do.
go on weasel away sweetie
BIOMASS
November 25th, 2009
8:48 pm
DOB, you wouldn’t dread the “countless cops” if you obeyed the law. I know, you’re too smart to get your brains smeared across the asphalt.
Damn those cops!
nolie
November 25th, 2009
8:54 pm
Baseball players, like all male athletes, inhabit a culture in which sensitivity is perceived as a sign of weakness, and the inability to deliver a base hit in the clutch is regarded as a character flaw
great quote from crasnick on duchscherrer’s(sp) depression problems.
nolie
November 25th, 2009
9:02 pm
Not only has Pujols had an incredible year, he’s had a historic decade. Pujols is just the fourth player to accomplish a “Decade Triple Crown” — that is, leading a league (AL or NL) in home runs, RBIs and batting average over the course of an entire decade. We’ve discussed this before, but it’s a pretty rare feat. Consider the company (also knowing that Williams missed several years in the 1940s as a war pilot, and RBI didn’t become an official statistic until the 1920s):
Decade Triple Crowns
Decade NL Player BA HR RBI
2000s NL Albert Pujols .334 366 1,112
1940s AL Ted Williams .356 234 893
1920s NL Rogers Hornsby .382 250 1,153
1900s NL Honus Wagner .351 51 956
From Kenton Wong of ESPN Stats & Information: Consider the numbers Pujols has put up prior to turning 30 compared to Hank Aaron. In nearly 800 fewer at-bats, prior to 30, Pujols has a better average (.334 to .320) and more HRs (366 to 342). He also has two more MVP awards.
From Scott Beaman of ESPN Stats & Information: Pujols’ 2009 season was probably the best of his nine-year MLB career. When looking into the numbers, Pujols joins an exclusive list below that includes Barry Bonds, Mark McGwire and Hack Wilson. Since it is widely accepted that Barry Bonds 2001 season and Mark McGwire’s 1998 season were “enhanced,” we can basically say that Pujols’ 2009 season was one of the best in the National League since Hack Wilson’s historic 1930 season in which he drove in an MLB-record 191 runs. The seasons in which a player had a .440 OBP, 45 home runs and 135 RBIs in NL history are Pujols (’09), Bonds (’01), McGwire ‘98) and Hack Wilson (’30).
Olney
Rock On......
November 25th, 2009
9:25 pm
DOB…ah yes, the old I-85 bandits at it again. They are like mosquitos the closer it gets to the end of the month. Quota time you see, not to mention holiday travel to boot. Heading just east of Raleigh tomorrow myself. Just one night though and back to Richmond. I have traveled I-85 about 25 times this year what with the Atlanta/Charlotte trips and all. Never once been given cause for concern going 75 in a 65 or 80 in a 70. Smooth. No worries.
Ok, I know they are a regional chain but you have to give Smithfields a try. Exit 153 near Mebane, NC on 85. Always have good Q or chicken at that one. Great sweet tea and hush puppies. I know you are familiar with Smithfields(mainly Eastern NC chain) but that location in particular has been great for me. You will probably be tired of Q by then but just passing it on my man.
Why does Andruw playing for the Sox just make me laugh? Oh my my my. How far do you have to fall from grace. That is almost like begging to play. You have 3 months till ST and you jump at the 500K to play for the Sox? Just wow!
Rock on…..Happy Thanksgiving to all denizens.
MIBravesFan
November 25th, 2009
9:38 pm
“beekay
November 25th, 2009
3:07 pm
I wouldn’t trade Minor. I think he will be in our rotation in 2011 and is a better prospect than Medlen.”
Based on what, exactly? I’m not discounting Minor, but Kris has shown talent against major league hitters. I doubt Minor will be traded, but I hope Kris isn’t either.
MIBravesFan
November 25th, 2009
9:43 pm
Echoing the sentiments of DOB, Steve from OH, Bravesfaninmetsland, McFann, Rock On, and anyone I might have left out, happy Thanksgiving everyone.
Cherokee
November 25th, 2009
9:54 pm
Maybe I didn’t explain every detail of my supposed dastardly plan to screw over some hapless ballplayer, but rather figured you all to be smart enough to understand simple English (and the rules of major league baseball) enough that I didn’t need to Idiot
seems to me that 4 or 5 of the more knowledgeable posters responded to you in the same vein. Maybe you need to look at your ability to portray what you do actually mean instead of blaming others. I sure took it the same way they did, though I’m not claiming to be a knowledgeable poster.
Braveheart
November 25th, 2009
9:56 pm
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=9791
Suppose that I am a pitcher and I decide to repeatedly throw low outside fastballs on the black for every single pitch. Few hitters will be able to club this pitch out of the park, but if I did it consistently enough that hitters knew that old Swartz always throws outside fastballs in every count on every pitch, then hitters would start taking the ball the other way. The result would be a lot of line drives, as hitters prepare to tee off on my predictable pitch. Of course, the second that I surprised a hitter with a cutter inside, they would be caught off-guard—and would be unlikely to hit a line drive if they swung. If I never did that, then my line-drive rate would be very high and my BABIP would persistently be well above .300. Thus, I would be a pitcher who could control my BABIP by making it high.
Of course, what pitcher would want to control his BABIP by being predictable enough to have a high line-drive rate and a high BABIP as a result? No normal pitcher trying to minimize his ERA would do this. However, a pitcher attempting to minimize his FIP might repeatedly throw those outside fastballs. They would rarely walk hitters, and occasionally they would strike some hitters out, and few hitters could hit home runs against them. Thus, there may be a very large difference between pitching to minimize your FIP and pitching to minimize your ERA.
The basic hypothesis here is that FIP is only a good predictor of ERA for pitchers who are trying to minimize their ERA. For pitchers who are pitching to minimize their FIP, they would likely have higher ERAs than FIPs on a consistent basis. Once the subjects becomes aware of an experiment, the data is often useless……… The question then becomes if agents realize that more sabermetrically inclined general managers look at FIP before looking at ERA, they could encourage their clients to focus on FIP a little bit. That would certainly be a shame. ERAs would gradually become higher than FIPs. By how much? Well… not that much. After all, pitchers cannot control BABIP all that much.
Cherokee
November 25th, 2009
9:57 pm
3 months till ST and you jump at the 500K to play for the Sox? Just wow! Rock On
It seems like a good fit to me. He played with Ozzie and it’s another hitter’s park.Considering his last few years I don’t find it funny, I think it’s kind of sad.
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November 25th, 2009
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Cherokee
November 25th, 2009
10:02 pm
Thus, there may be a very large difference between pitching to minimize your FIP and pitching to minimize your ERA Braveheart
whatever happened to pitching to win games?
Steve from OH
November 25th, 2009
10:03 pm
whatever happened to pitching to win games?
Haven’t you heard? Wins are overrated!
MZ
November 25th, 2009
10:07 pm
DOB —–
I’ve only driven through that part of the country once, so I’m curious … is S. Carolina as destitute as it appeared to me when I made a trek through there? I mean, I didn’t take any interstates through SC, but I swear, every 15 minutes we went through another small town that looked like it had been abandoned for at least a decade … the only exception was Charleston …
BTW —– be sure to check out Justin Jones & the Driving Rain if you haven’t already … you’ll be glad you did
MZ
November 25th, 2009
10:08 pm
DOB —–
also, enjoy your turkey day … same goes for the rest of the denizens!
Tennbravefan
November 25th, 2009
10:12 pm
Rock On –
Not that I would ever take up for a state trooper, but this “myth” that cops have an end of the month quota is ridiculous. We (yes I am a cop)are like any other job in that we are expected to work. If at the end of the month you have only written 5 tickets you are probably going to get yelled at and if it continues you will eventually get fired. However there is not a set quota. It is required that we do our jobs and traffic enforcement is part of that job.
Cherokee
November 25th, 2009
10:18 pm
However there is not a set quota. It is required that we do our jobs and traffic enforcement is part of that job TBF
thank you. I was a cop for years before I retired. I was going to say something, but decided to let it pass.
Cherokee
November 25th, 2009
10:24 pm
Haven’t you heard? Wins are overrated! Steve
That was funny. I know you are kidding, but some actually claim that is what is being said.
They are obviously very important, they just are not a great metric alone with which to gauge a pitcher’s production.
Just call me Mr Obvious.
Cherokee
November 25th, 2009
10:26 pm
Wow 5 or 6 posts. I don’t post often but sometimes don’t know when to shut up when I do post.
Rock On........
November 25th, 2009
10:33 pm
Didn’t mean to imply there was a written number as to quotas. More of an unwritten one as mentioned. As it gets closer to the end of the month that mental quota looms. I’ll just say the level of awareness is greater and leave it at that. To all officers out in denizen land I appreciate what you do .
Rock On........
November 25th, 2009
10:46 pm
Downloaded the fstream app on the iPhone and the classic rock station 181FM The Eagle is great stuff. No dj’s, commercials, or many repeats. Great sound and thousands of stations. Just passing it along. It is my duty to keep you rocking.
Rock on…..
Mitchie-san
November 25th, 2009
10:52 pm
McFann– Yep Im a Navy man. I love it.
To everyone here on the ole blog, I would like to wish everyone a Happy Thanksgiving. I volunteered to work the next few days to give everyone with a family the opportunity to spend Thanksgiving with them. Ill be lurking about the blog in the meantime…
nolie
November 25th, 2009
10:57 pm
Happy Turkey Day y’all !!
Roman Gal
November 25th, 2009
11:08 pm
many of the opinions expressed here are… puzzling (being polite)
You’re so polite. I should strive to be more polite.
nolie
November 25th, 2009
11:11 pm
DOB There was an actor/writer back in the 40s and 50s named Dave O’brien. Used to play Tex Ritter’s Texas Ranger sidekick a lot in hour long westerns along with a lot of other character actor stuff. Guess you aren’t quite old enough to be that guy.