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semiballcoach
November 28th, 2009
12:48 pm
ancestor
jeffrey d
November 28th, 2009
12:50 pm
What does that mean? He’s old?
semiballcoach
November 28th, 2009
12:53 pm
jeffery—go to movies much? mayan calendar? 2012, end of the world?
jeffrey d
November 28th, 2009
1:02 pm
Well that was a historical fact long before it was a movie. And sorry, I didn’t realize every bit of news pertaining to 2012 meant that it was associated with the Maya.
Jurrjens4NLCY
November 28th, 2009
1:04 pm
BravesfaninWis,
Thanks! =)
Jurrjens4NLCY
November 28th, 2009
1:07 pm
“I’m not worried about the end of the world. Because the Mayan’s weren’t good at predicting stuff. Like their extinction” – Norm MacDonald.
jeffrey d
November 28th, 2009
1:14 pm
Not to nerd it up, but
1) The Maya are still around
2) They were spot on with advanced mathematical and astronomical concepts
3) The Maya didn’t predict the world would end in 2012. It’s just when their calendar ends
Jurrjens4NLCY
November 28th, 2009
1:17 pm
jeffrey d,
Its a joke. From Norm MacDonald, just laugh and be glad your not a Mets fan, ok?
Frank from KS (now living in CO)
November 28th, 2009
1:26 pm
For all those that want the Braves to rid themselves of Lowe……listen, you don’t, I repeat…you DON’T sign someone in one off-season just to trade him the NEXT off-season.
Jezzzus H Christ.
And I’m going to say that Lowe won’t have two sub-par seasons (for him and his standards) in a row.
The Braves better hang onto him for at least one more season.
10
November 28th, 2009
1:32 pm
But why would we want a second baseman playing first? You need more offense from your first baseman than Prado can provide.
Why not have a second baseman play first? Most of the names at first and left people are being incessantly lectured about considering as realistic options don’t bring anything more offensively than Prado or Phillips. So why not have a second baseman playing first? Most of the first baseman and outfielders you guys are talking about to play first or left hit like second baseman anyway.
If you traded for Phillips, signed Cameron, shifted Prado to first, you wouldn’t be any worse offensively than if you went with other options, and you’d be much improved defensively and also on the basepaths over much of the options we’re being told are “realistic.”
A beast of a cleanup hitter is preferable over that option, but if we’re not obtaining plus offensive performers on the corners because we can’t afford them, then might as well obtain two righthanded, slightly above average power bats who play plus defense at premium up the middle defensive positions and who are also plus baserunners, while also shifting a subpar defensive performer at second like Prado into perhaps an average or plus defender at first.
nolie
November 28th, 2009
1:34 pm
The Maya didn’t predict the world would end in 2012. It’s just when their calendar ends
i believe that their calendar was cyclical
10
November 28th, 2009
1:37 pm
For all those that want the Braves to rid themselves of Lowe……listen, you don’t, I repeat…you DON’T sign someone in one off-season just to trade him the NEXT off-season.
Not true. They obtained Lowe for two primary reasons:
1. He’s a valuable on the mound performer; and
2. He’s a valuable trade asset.
10
November 28th, 2009
1:39 pm
Prado is as subpar offensively at first as he is subpar defensively at second
Travis
November 28th, 2009
2:02 pm
10…Just talked to Frank Wren and he wants to know how you have all this inside knowledge. Oh, maybe you THINK that’s why they signed him.
Travis
November 28th, 2009
2:07 pm
OK..I didn’t really talk to Frank but I THINK you are voicing an opinion. Make it sound that way and you might convince me you are correct. Maybe you should start your blogs with IMOA.
Venice Jim
November 28th, 2009
2:26 pm
The referee in the W&M – Weber State game just waved off a penalty flag by saying, “He only grabbed the face mask, so it is not a face mask.” Moments later, W&M scored their second pick-six of the day, for a 17-0 halftime lead.
richbrave, Keeper – keep up the good work with UR up 13-3…
Change of Scenery
November 28th, 2009
2:37 pm
Just so you know, I’m located in a dry county.
10
November 28th, 2009
3:06 pm
You’re right, Travis. I should assume Frank Wren is an ignorant boob who only acquires players for their value in performance on the field. He overpaid Lowe considering the market last year, but really paid him what the market should have paid him if it was more competitive as Wren knew it would be in later years. Why would he do that if his only concern was performance on the field?
His actions in the free agency market last winter reflected an attitude of bridging the gap with competitive and competent performers until Jurrjens and Hanson had firmly established themselves as reliable starters, until Hudson got healthy and took the hometown discount many envisioned him taking, and until he knew he had drafted a competent college pitcher with his top ten pick
If he intended to have Lowe, Kawakami and Vazquez all for the duration of their contracts, then why not go for a high school pitcher with the higher upside who’d take longer to get ready and would perhaps only be getting ready just as those contracts were ending instead of the accomplished college pitcher who’d be ready faster but whose upside wouldn’t be as great? I understand money had something to do with that, but so did the fact that they were looking to get younger, cheaper, and about just as competitive quicker with that top ten pick, thereby quickly increasing the trade value of one of their accomplished veteran pitchers.
He also knew his farm was becoming weaker, and that his bullpen would soon become significantly weaker when his two best relievers became free agents. One way to fix these kinds of problems is to purchase veterans with trade value who can later be traded for prospects and or young major leaguers who play the positions your minor leagues have recently been weak at replenishing.
So, he purchased three solid starting pitchers in Lowe, Kawakami and Vazquez who’d all be both valuable on the field and in the trade market while Hudson was getting healthy, while Hanson and Jurrjens were making a name for themselves, and until he knew he’d gotten his hands on a competent college starter with the top ten pick. The market looks like it is swinging back to looking like Lowe was not overpaid, but was paid what his fair market value should have been in a competitive market. The fact that he was successful in the drafting of Minor, the development of Jurrjens and Hanson, the rehabilitation and subsequent extension of Hudson, in his trading for Vazquez, and in his signings of Lowe and Kawakami, only increases the trade value and ultimate expendability to his franchise of someone like Lowe.
If you’re the Yankees, assuming they’re smartly run, and ignoring their Cold War staredowns with the Mets and Red Sox and their historical impulsive stupidity and wasteful gluttonous spending, why wouldn’t they trade Swisher and maybe Robertson for Lowe’s $15 million instead of having to trade some combo of Montero or Jackson, Joba or Hughes, Cabrera or Gardner plus others for Halladay, and then have to pay Halladay 4 or 5 years of salary at $20 million annually? Trading for Lowe would be cheaper in productive players, prospects, and money.
They won it all without Halladay. They just need a solid #4 starter like Lowe. The marginal value Halladay would bring would be minimal during the regular season. What’s the difference really between 100 wins and 105 wins? Their problem during the postseason wasn’t that they didn’t have another ace, but more that they didn’t have another solid Pettitte like starter such as Lowe as their fourth starter. Lowe provides far more value over Chad Gaudin than Halladay provides over Lowe on the field. The money, players, and prospects Lowe would save them over Halladay is far more valuable as well. Passing on Halladay, and trading for Lowe would save the Yanks prospects and money, freeing up more money to get Bay or Holliday, and Soriano and/or Gonzalez. The Yankees aren’t always as smart as the Braves though.
To think Wren only gets players, whether through trades, free agent signings, international signings, or domestic draftings, with an eye solely upon what they can do on the field is the height of ignorance. As to your thinking that there is no way Wren purchases Lowe to have both a valuable performer and a valuable trade asset, why then would the Braves sign Doyle Alexander in 1987 and then trade him a few months later for John Smoltz?
Travis
November 28th, 2009
3:10 pm
Are you a disgruntled novelist?
Travis
November 28th, 2009
3:11 pm
Lentz, is that you?
10
November 28th, 2009
3:18 pm
OK..I didn’t really talk to Frank but I THINK you are voicing an opinion. Make it sound that way and you might convince me you are correct. Maybe you should start your blogs with IMOA.
First of all, Travis, it’s not an opinion. It’s a fact. Every player purchased by a franchise is bought with an eye towards 1. How valuable have they been/will they be on the field, and 2. How valuable are they/will they be in arbitration, free agency and the trade market.
Second of all, Travis, why say things like IMO or I think? Needless. We know it’s your opinion. We know it’s what you think. Just say what you’re aiming to say. No need for worthless qualifiers. Whatever any of us utters will not be judged any less stupid because we qualify it with a needless IMO or I think.
10
November 28th, 2009
3:23 pm
Nah, not Lentz nor a disgruntled novelist. Just someone who’d rather waste six paragraphs in one post, than waste six posts with unintelligent, non-humorous one liners like you.
Tomas
November 28th, 2009
3:26 pm
It’s been practically dead over the last few weeks for braves news.
Jurrjens4NLCY
November 28th, 2009
3:33 pm
Tomas,
Hence the end of the world/mayan talks, Norm MacDonald jokes, and Derek Lowe discussion…
jeffrey d
November 28th, 2009
3:37 pm
No need for worthless qualifiers. 10
Is it wasting that much of your precious time? I mean, who says that? And you wanna talk about superfluous, I think you should check out your 3:06 IMO.
Venice Jim
November 28th, 2009
3:44 pm
I hate to claim a victory with over three minutes to go, but I think William and Mary has a good shot at holding on with a 38-0 lead in a real-live college football playoff game.
10
November 28th, 2009
3:50 pm
Sorry, jeffrey d, “having said that”, in my opinion I think I believe you arguably prefer to “chat” than talk.
J-MAN
November 28th, 2009
3:57 pm
I Havent checked in about a week what did I miss? …………………….. Nothing, We’re still talking about dumping Lowes contract while getting a Righ- handed clean-up hitter. Maybe I better check in about a month next time lol. I bet we’ll still have Lowe and no power-hitters. Hey I guess theres always Sponge-bob to fall back on lol.
Weenie Frank
November 28th, 2009
4:01 pm
Frank Wren is an idiot. Sign Derek Lowe for four years and 60 million, then turn around one year later and trade the guy? Stupidity is hard at work in the Braves front office.
Questions as follows:
Did the Braves make the playoffs in 2009 with Derek Lowe? NO
Was Derek Lowe the so called ACE as described by Frank Wren? NO
Would the Braves have made the playoffs without Derek Lowe? NO
Was Lowe a waste of 15 million? Most definitely.
Should Tom Glavine been allowed to pitch and retire this year? ABSOLUTELY YES.
Is Frank Wren a total Boob? You Betcha.
10
November 28th, 2009
4:01 pm
Was the 3:06 superfluous? Oh, absolutely. Should have remembered to feed it to jeffrey d in chicken nugget form instead of feeding him the whole chicken. There’s only so much the poor dear can handle.
10
November 28th, 2009
4:05 pm
Frank Wren is an idiot. Sign Derek Lowe for four years and 60 million, then turn around one year later and trade the guy? Stupidity is hard at work in the Braves front office. Questions as follows: Did the Braves make the playoffs in 2009 with Derek Lowe? NO Was Derek Lowe the so called ACE as described by Frank Wren? NO Would the Braves have made the playoffs without Derek Lowe? NO Was Lowe a waste of 15 million? Most definitely. Should Tom Glavine been allowed to pitch and retire this year? ABSOLUTELY YES. Is Frank Wren a total Boob? You Betcha.
Go kill yourself. You’re too stupid to be living.
Steve from OH
November 28th, 2009
4:07 pm
Why is everyone so riled up today? We haven’t lost a game in months, for cryin’ out loud…
10
November 28th, 2009
4:08 pm
I Havent checked in about a week what did I miss? …………………….. Nothing, We’re still talking about dumping Lowes contract while getting a Righ- handed clean-up hitter. Maybe I better check in about a month next time lol. I bet we’ll still have Lowe and no power-hitters.
I bet we’ll still have you whining too
VaBraveFan
November 28th, 2009
4:10 pm
Weenie Frank
Your so wrong. Wren is a good GM. he is a aggresive and has shown he wants to make the team better. If you would have rather him sign Oliver Perez you got a problem…
Steve from OH
November 28th, 2009
4:23 pm
VaBraveFan–I agree with your statement. I disagree with your spelling and grammar.
VaBraveFan
November 28th, 2009
4:25 pm
Weenie Frank
He added Jurrjen’s and Gorky’s Hernandez for a aged Renteria. JJ has turned into a top starter and Gorky landed McLouth. He added Vasquez (Cy caliber season) Kawakami , Lowe to a rotation in 1 offseason. Added LaRoche for Kotchman. He’s done a great job.
If we hadnt of signed Lowe , this is how i see it playing out. We sign Oliver Perez, leaving us with enough money to sign Bobby Abreu instead of Loaf. Also leading to Glavine taking Oliver’s spot in the rotation. Or even holding Hanson back.
Lowe was solid pitcher in 09. Take his worst 3 starts out and he looks like him normal self on the stats sheet. Lowe gave us innings and 15 wins. 15 million a year yea overpaid but it was a need.
VaBraveFan
November 28th, 2009
4:28 pm
Steve from OH
its all good, i go with the common sense route. If u understand what i’m saying thats all that matters.
nolie
November 28th, 2009
4:32 pm
I’m sitting out on the lanai looking across the back yard, over the full cacal and onto the fairway of the 16th hole of the golf course. Lovely view. An elderly couple sliced their balls onto the bank of that side of the canal. They drove up in their card to find a 4-5 foot alligator not too far from the lie. They have been there about 5 minutes trying to decide if the want to get out of the cart and play them. It ain’t a real big gator, and it ain’t all that close to the balls….
Like me the other half of their foursome is waiting around to see what happens.
Better than the golf channel
10
November 28th, 2009
4:43 pm
Is that 5 foot gator named Elin? If so, those golfers better stay away. She might bite them, then beat them with their own golf clubs.
Braves Lifer
November 28th, 2009
4:44 pm
“Is Frank Wren a total Boob? You Betcha.”-Weenie Frank…
I can not believe that some people feel this way. Wren’s GM decisions were stellar last year with the only questionable call being Lowe. That is even looking at it with 20/20 vision and not putting it in context with last year. I know 2008 was a long time ago (lol) but we did not have the pitching staff that we have today. How was Wren supposed to know that Hanson and Vazquez would each pitch like Superman and he would not need Lowe for the 2010 season? Heck how should he have known that Hudson would successfully come back from Tommy John surgery and KK would make a successful transition from Japan? He couldn’t have predicted all of that so he acquired a solid veteran presence for the rotation.
Looking at the Lowe acquisition NOW it is not even that bad in terms of dollars or performance. We got a guy that throws 200 plus innings on the regular and wins 15 games a season. Yes he had a high ERA that was a whole run above his career average but lets not get all “the sky is falling”. All true Braves fans have to give Wren his due and remember that he turned the team around that had some serious payroll issues. Recap in Wren’s first year he inherited a team that was capped at $95M total salary. This included Hudson’s 13M or so being taking in up in dead cap. It’s amazing that he completely restructured our pitching staff without trading away our future on that low of a budget.
J-MAN
November 28th, 2009
4:45 pm
Hey 10 ya might wanna stick to messin with Jeffery D when it comes to talkin smack. But the only whiners I’ve noticed today is you, but what can I expect from a guy who doesn’t even have a consonant in his name. Let me know when its your day on Seseme Street to Have your number brought up along with the letter P……. for Pusswad!!!!!! And Ya DONE SON!!!!!!! And on that burn I’m out. Peace!!!!
10
November 28th, 2009
4:48 pm
Hey 10 ya might wanna stick to messin with Jeffery D when it comes to talkin smack. But the only whiners I’ve noticed today is you, but what can I expect from a guy who doesn’t even have a consonant in his name. Let me know when its your day on Seseme Street to Have your number brought up along with the letter P……. for Pusswad!!!!!! And Ya DONE SON!!!!!!! And on that burn I’m out. Peace!!!!
I pity you if you consider that a burn. Let me know when you graduate to yo momma jokes.
nolie
November 28th, 2009
4:50 pm
from a guy who doesn’t even have a consonant in his name J-Man
how is that different from a guy who doesn’t even have a vowel in his name, J?
Rob (from SC)
November 28th, 2009
4:52 pm
How can anyone be upset with the job that Frank Wren has done. Unlike John Schuerholz, Wren has managed to protect or crown jewels of the system in Tommy Hanson and Jason Heyward. Wren knew this team was a few years away when he took over. He has already completely fixed the rotation. Lowe was necessary, now he is not. If Wren can trade him then we can go get the big bat we are badly needing
Jurrjens4NLCY
November 28th, 2009
4:53 pm
Weenie Frank
While I think your post wasn’t of the intellectual sense, I’ll refrain from telling you to go kill yourself because I respect your passion for the Braves.
10,
Telling people to kill themselves is stupid. It’s also not very clever. And barking at people for idiotic posts and snarky remarks ain’t better. Also, your time can’t be that precious because your on a Braves blog on a beautiful Saturday (In Chi-Town) afternoon. Please be civil or go play with a stick and a hoop…
Also, I agree with you on your Prado opinion.
Steve from OH
November 28th, 2009
4:53 pm
but what can I expect from a guy who doesn’t even have a consonant in his name.
“10″ has two consonants in it. “T” and “n.” And even if you say “well Steve, it only has numbers”, then yes, but then it would also have no vowels in it either, so why make the distinction?
TnBrian
November 28th, 2009
4:53 pm
Was Lowe a bad signing? Aside from a few starts he was exactly what most anybody probably expected. Spent too much on him? Duh, who didn’t think that to some degree when Atlanta signed him? But, under the circumstances it wasn’t THAT bad considering the rotation of ‘08 was nailed with one injury after another & Lowe was/is very durable along with Javy. So I guess Wren figured after watching his rotation go down with all the injuries that two durable pitchers was a must to have at the top of the rotation. Kawakami wasn’t projected to be anything more than a #4/5 starter & I still believe it was a PR signing all along.
Now that Jurrjens has established himself as a legit #2/3 starter in our rotation & Hanson looks like a future ace the Braves & Wren look silly for signing Lowe to all that money & years, but you have to go back & realize it looked like a smart move at the time. It happens, you can’t predict baseball.
Rob (from SC)
November 28th, 2009
4:55 pm
Did the Braves sign Eric Duncan?
Jurrjens4NLCY
November 28th, 2009
4:55 pm
Unlike John Schuerholz, Wren has managed to protect or crown jewels of the system in Tommy Hanson and Jason Heyward
…
HERE WE GO AGAIN!
The Texeira trade wasn’t that bad!
Steve from OH
November 28th, 2009
4:56 pm
Telling people to kill themselves is stupid. It’s also not very clever.
Yeah, not a strong move. Wait, wasn’t that guy telling me that next year was my year to leave the kiddie table the other day?
nolie
November 28th, 2009
4:58 pm
ait, wasn’t that guy telling me that next year was my year to leave the kiddie table the other day? Steve
really? congrats, I hope you make it to the bigs
Steve from OH
November 28th, 2009
4:59 pm
really? congrats, I hope you make it to the bigs
nolie, I can’t wait! Maybe they’ll even let me use a real cup!
nolie
November 28th, 2009
5:03 pm
nolie, I can’t wait! Maybe they’ll even let me use a real cup Steve
I’ve felt ever since you started posting here that you had big things ahead of you. I’m proud to have been right.break a leg in your big debut next Thanksgiving? Any chance for an early callup at Christmas time?
J-MAN
November 28th, 2009
5:03 pm
Well steve i was meaning the number not the letter obviously. Damn it man I burned him and ya gave him ammo let him come up with his own smack don’t assist lol. Besides I’ve been fueding with numbers for years it. Like Beavis and Butt-Head once said ” I’m like angry with numbers, Yea theres too many of them Heh Heh Heh”. Theres only a few good numbers 69 and 420 come to mind off the bat. Another number I hate is 215 million ( How much the Yankees payroll was last year). But steve my feud with numbers will continue for the forseeable future lol.
VaBraveFan
November 28th, 2009
5:04 pm
The Tex trade was a good trade at the time, but we didnt go to playoffs, we didnt resign him, also look at our team if we still have those players we traded away.
Plouffe
November 28th, 2009
5:04 pm
“Obviously, none of these solutions are ideal. The best bet might be for the franchise (Boston Red Sox) to make a trade. There are some intriguing names—Reid Brignac, Stephen Drew, Yunel Escobar—that could be available via that route, but the price for each of them will be extremely high.”
http://mvn.com/aroundthemajors/2009/11/with-alex-gonzalez-off-the-market-what-do-boston-red-sox-do-now.html
Jurrjens4NLCY
November 28th, 2009
5:10 pm
also look at our team if we still have those players we traded away.
They’d be traded for a different player. They were blocked, expect Feliz.
Chris
November 28th, 2009
5:10 pm
escobar is not available.
civilized white trash
November 28th, 2009
5:11 pm
i hate tim tebow and boise state cant one of them lose please!!!!
10
November 28th, 2009
5:14 pm
Damn it man I burned him and ya gave him ammo let him come up with his own smack don’t assist lol.
I’m still waiting to get burned by you, and for you to come up with some smack better than Pusswad. I’ll be waiting a while since 4:20 being your favorite number means you’ve burned the few brain cells you had, as your posts today have evidenced.
Braves Lifer
November 28th, 2009
5:15 pm
“The Tex trade was a good trade at the time, but we didn’t go to playoffs, we didn’t resign him, also look at our team if we still have those players we traded away.”-VA Braves Fan
I am assuming that you mean look at how our farm team would be different because none of the players that we traded to Texas would start on our team now aside from Neftali Feliz. Escobar blocks Andrus. All six of our starters block Harrison. Some guy name McCann blocks Jarrod Saltalamacchia. All we got from Texas was one year of All Star 1st base play in Tex. A year of Kotchman and then a half a year of Rochy racking in at pretty close to all star level. Oh yeah and we still have Arb rights to Rochy. Him being classified as a B player we may get a sandwich pick.
We didn’t sign Tex and that sucks but we did what we thought it would take to make the playoffs. So in the end we dealt from a postion of strength to get the top first baseman available. It didn’t work as well as we hopped but it was worth a shot. Get over it….
Jurrjens4NLCY
November 28th, 2009
5:15 pm
Chris,
He is at the right price. However, Boston would have to offer a great AA – AAA shortstop prospect seeing as how they don’t have one, the idea because moot.
Jurrjens4NLCY
November 28th, 2009
5:18 pm
I’ll be waiting a while since 4:20 being your favorite number means you’ve burned the few brain cells you had, as your posts today have evidenced.
See now THAT was clever!
If I may:
B
U
R
N
!!!
VaBraveFan
November 28th, 2009
5:20 pm
Jurrjens4NLCY
Your right, i’m just saying we would have had more depth in the minors and more trade pieces for players we can keep around. Having Feliz right now would be a huge Plus. Elvis Andrus yes was blocked, but would be a top tier prospect, or could have moved to 2nd base for the time being, or 3rd after Chipper retire’s. The main reason i’m nont happy with it is cause of our return when we traded him. The Angels were getting a half of season of Tex with a pretty good chance of resigning him with a near the top payroll. We were getting a non hitting 1b and a pitching prospect will prolly never see in the majors. Would it have been better to offer arbritration to Tex in the offseason and gain picks? idk. but its old and over with.
Rob (from SC)
November 28th, 2009
5:23 pm
Jurrjens4NLCY
Does Adam Wainwright ring a bell? Schuerholz became to obsessed with with winning the division and lost track of the bigger picture. I am not pissed that we traded Feliz, Salty, and Andrus but we could have traded them for several pieces instead of just Tex.
Everyone laughed at Tom Hicks for outbidding himself for AROD, well Schuerholz outbidded himself for TEX
Jurrjens4NLCY
November 28th, 2009
5:31 pm
VaBraveFan,
No man! Your right!
I have a feeling that pieces might have been traded to… lets say Oakland for Matt Holiday. Even with Feliz on the team right now, I doubt he’ll be getting a rotation spot. Jurrjens, Hanson, Vasquez, and Hudson are better than him. Lowe wouldn’t get the boot because, well, because if he would, he’d be booted by Kris Medlen or Kenshin Kawa-Kick@ss…
Also, Stephen Marek was on the right track to the majors after 2008, then things kinda blew up on him, lots a control problems in Gwin
Jurrjens4NLCY
November 28th, 2009
5:32 pm
Rob,
The difference between JD Drew and Tex was that Drew actually helped us win.
Btw, How was your injury? I was very nervous, but I’m assuming your ok?
VaBraveFan
November 28th, 2009
5:44 pm
Jurrjens4NLCY
i see Feliz as a closer, but thats just me
Jurrjens4NLCY
November 28th, 2009
5:45 pm
VaBravesFan,
And Craig Kimbell?
VaBraveFan
November 28th, 2009
5:52 pm
Feliz is more farther along, you play your cards as they come. If Feliz was still in this organization I’m sure the Braves would consider him a closer option. But i’m excited about Kimbell. Hopefully 2011-12 he’ll be in that spot. Ok we can move on from the Tex trade and what if’s lol
Rob (from SC)
November 28th, 2009
6:01 pm
Jurrjens4NLCY
Thanks for asking. I am out of the brace, but my arm is still killing me. I have muscle lumps all up and down my arm. I am still taking pain killers which makes school tough.
What did Drew help us win? Not the World Series. Wainwright is a beast
Zookey
November 28th, 2009
6:04 pm
10-6= 4
About right….
Jurrjens4NLCY
November 28th, 2009
6:04 pm
VaBraveFan,
Lol, yes, thank you. I was just curious about your opinion.
J-MAN
November 28th, 2009
6:04 pm
Jurrjens4NLCY and 10 are the same person he just changes his screen name interchangeably. In case anybody didn’t already know.
Jurrjens4NLCY
November 28th, 2009
6:05 pm
Rob from SC,
At least Drew got us into the playoffs. And I think Wainwright would be a reliever on this team too.
Rob (from SC)
November 28th, 2009
6:08 pm
Jurrjens4NLCY
Wainwright would be the number 1 on this team
Jurrjens4NLCY
November 28th, 2009
6:09 pm
Rob,
Yeah, but wasn’t he a reliever for the Cardinals for the longest time? Him and Loushe
J-MAN
November 28th, 2009
6:18 pm
Wow I don’t care how you analyze it Jurrjens we got the short ent of that Drew trade, Hell while your at it tell us why it benifited the Tigers to trade John Smoltz for Doyle Alexander. Or go Back to when the Red Sox sold the Babe for $125,000 explain how the Sox made out like bandits on that one. Look Jurrjens sometimes you win some deals like the one we got your boy with from Detroit with and some times you lose deals like the Drew and Tex deals.
Rob (from SC)
November 28th, 2009
6:19 pm
Wainwright was a reliever for one season
J-MAN
November 28th, 2009
6:20 pm
Both the Drew and Tex deals were Shurholtz deals BTW
nolie
November 28th, 2009
6:21 pm
What did Drew help us win? Not the World Series Rob
like the GMs say, you can’t win the WS without getting to the playoffs first.
Bunch of crap about losing sight of the big picture. The big picture is to get to the post season so you have a shot.
If you are suggesting that he should have put it off for a later try, then you have no idea what it’s all about. There are too many injuries and other problems to ever pass up a chance now for a possible chance later.
Less fortunate teams than the Braves were at that time might have to use the build it approach because they have no other options, but well-off teams in the middle of a run of titles would be fools to not give it another shot.
You win when you can, cause you might end up like the Pirates, 15 good years followed by 18 poor ones. Just cause you are a Braves fan doesn’t mean they could not go through an extended rough stretch too.
J-MAN
November 28th, 2009
6:23 pm
Tech 48- UGA -13
Steve from OH
November 28th, 2009
6:26 pm
Any chance for an early callup at Christmas time?
Nah. Service time concerns, I think.
Jurrjens4NLCY
November 28th, 2009
6:27 pm
J-MAN,
I know those deals suck, but they aren’t as bad as Colon for Lee, Sizemore, Phillips, or the Smoltz deal.
Jurrjens4NLCY
November 28th, 2009
6:28 pm
like the GMs say, you can’t win the WS without getting to the playoffs first.
Jim Hendry? Is that you?
N8
November 28th, 2009
6:31 pm
“I am assuming that you mean look at how our farm team would be different because none of the players that we traded to Texas would start on our team now aside from Neftali Feliz. Escobar blocks Andrus. All six of our starters block Harrison….”
On one side, that post is a good argument. On the other side, one could argue that Escobar could have been traded for a power bat in the OF or another young starting pitching instead of over-spending for Lowe, with Andrus taking over at SS.
Many angles to take with that trade, and hindsight isn’t always the most objective angle, because you know how the gamble turned out.
For all we know, Wren offers LaRoche arbitration, with LaRoche declining it, and that sandwhich pick could turn out to be our replacement for Chipper Jones for the next decade?
Or…. LaRoche could accept arbitration and we pay him around 9 million next year. LOL
J-MAN
November 28th, 2009
6:45 pm
What is your top 5 lop-sided trades: For me personally good and bad
1. Doyle Alexander for John Smoltz (GOOD)
2. David Justice and Marquis Grissom to the Cleveland Indians for Kenny Lofton and Alan Embree. (BAD)
3.The Crime Dog to the Atlanta Braves for three minor leaguers (GOOD)
4.J.D. Drew and Eli Marrero on Saturday for former first-round draft picks Jason Marquis and Adam Wainright, and reliever Ray (Horrible in retrospect but im keeping it lower because we did go to the play-offs)
5. Elvis Andrus, Matt Harrison, Beau Jones, Neftali Perez, and Jarrod Saltalamacchia for a 1 year rental for Big Tex (This one has a chance to move up to be the Braves most lop-sided trade over time. Just God-Awful judgement if you make this trade YOU MAKE SURE YOU SIGN TEX TO AN EXTENSION BEFORE HAND!!!!!!!!!!!)
Jurrjens4NLCY
November 28th, 2009
6:47 pm
J-MAN,
Jurrjens and Gorky Hernandez for Renteria is in the top 5
J-MAN
November 28th, 2009
6:52 pm
I had a tough time leaving that one off but its definately a top 5 lop sided trade that went our way, no doubt about jurrjens
Jurrjens4NLCY
November 28th, 2009
6:53 pm
Also a good one, Will Ohman and Omar Infante for whatever crap we gave the Cubs… Wren’s a friggin genius!!
Also, I’m not 10
J-MAN
November 28th, 2009
6:55 pm
Maybe I could drop kenny Lofton but he sucks and I just hate how that went down and Justice was my favorite player as a child. I even had his stance when i batted in little league. Screw Kenny Lofton!
Jurrjens4NLCY
November 28th, 2009
6:56 pm
Apparently Bob Rathbun is going to replace Boog…
…AND YOU THOUGHT CHIP WAS BAD!
J-MAN
November 28th, 2009
7:01 pm
Frank Wren has made better trades than did Shurholtz did in his last 5 years as GM. The only flaw with Wren is his inability to sign free agents, but that might be more on liberty media
J-MAN
November 28th, 2009
7:02 pm
Bob Rathburn……….. do they make enemas for ears?
Who Knew
November 28th, 2009
7:02 pm
ok, the Kansas Missouri game must be a battle of who has the ugliest uniforms…
J-MAN
November 28th, 2009
7:04 pm
I guess it would still be better with Joe Simpson than him Tom Pachoreck UGH
MZ
November 28th, 2009
7:05 pm
Re: Jurrjens4NLCY’s 6:47 pm post ——
Not yet
Jurrjens4NLCY
November 28th, 2009
7:06 pm
Totally, I do miss Shurholtz’s charm with the FAs
18 Wheels of Love
November 28th, 2009
7:10 pm
How bout them Gamecocks!
CB
November 28th, 2009
7:22 pm
May I ask where the info about Bob Rathbun is coming from?