12:36 am November 24, 2009, by David O'Brien
November 27th, 20094:08 pm
Hell-one time is too many no matter what. If nothing else, his [Miguel Cabrera's] timing, that close to making the playoffs, shows a monumental lack of judgement on his part.
Maybe so Lew, but there is no way of knowing what a change of scenery would do for the dude. Maybe nothing at all, maybe it would make him drink even more, or perhaps he would get his sh!t sorted out and grow up a bit.
That being said, Cabrera is way too expensive to even consider trading for. I don’t like all those years of high salary with his frame. Looks like a balky knee waiting to happen. I prefer the mediocre options being thrown around (Dye, Cameron, Cantu, etc) to the overweight contract of this particular slugger from Detroit.
Of course, Adrian Gonzalez would be the best fit of all, but let’s not get carried away. I don’t even want to speculate about his extravagant, prospect-laden price tag.
Steve from OH
November 27th, 20094:11 pm
Although if we can finagle a trade for a good hitting 1B and/or trade Lowe for some prospects or something, I like the idea of signing Mike Cameron to a 1-year deal and shifting McLouth to left. Add a good-not-great bat, a better CF glove, a decent enough baserunner, and by moving Nate to left, add a plus defender there. He ain’t the bat our team needs, but (like I said) if we can get some pop at 1B, he makes a great all-around secondary addition, no?
Or is this just DAP talking? LOL!
November 27th, 20094:15 pm
Should’ve just been “and,” not “and/or”….
Coach (2011 or Bust)
November 27th, 20094:21 pm
I’m on board with Mike Cameron.
November 27th, 20094:22 pm
Don’t even hand me some crap about change of scenery. Dude has already been in Florida and in Detroit and nothing has changed. Atlanta isn’t going to be the magic place where he gets his sh!t together. This deal isn’t going to happen. It shouldn’t happen and it won’t for several reasons.
This is good, because y’all already bitch and moan about anything that doesn’t go quite right or any contract you think hamstrings the Braves. Any deal involving Miguel Cabrera will do nothing more than give plenty of reason to gripe and it would hamstring the Braves payroll even if it DOES increase somewhat in the next several years. We need to extend Jurrjens soon, Escobar, in all likelihood and Hanson in several more years-then probably something will need to be done longer term with Heyward. A $21 million salary for six years would prevent a good bit of this from being possible.
November 27th, 20095:09 pm
Lew – When we were a good team we had MVP candidate Terry Pendelton, then Fred McGriff, then Andres Galaraga along with our other homegrown stars. We aren’t going to make any noise whatsoever if our offseason goes:
Gonzalez/Soriano gone, wagner in
Laroche gone, Konerko in
Anderson/Church/KJ gone, Dye in
That is moving backwards and will leave us out of the playoffs again. I’m sure Frank is aware of this, so no matter how much you want to extend Heyward today, he has far more pressing issues.
November 27th, 20095:28 pm
SO-o-o DAVE, how was PARKERS???? Hummm, inquiring minds want to know.
November 27th, 20096:04 pm
November 27th, 20096:35 pm
Although if we can finagle a trade for a good hitting 1B and/or trade Lowe for some prospects or something, I like the idea of signing Mike Cameron to a 1-year deal and shifting McLouth to left.
That’s an option I’m down with as well. It still be pretty nice to find a big bat for first AND add Mike Cameron. Can’t wait for Tuesday when we hear all of the arb. offers being announced. Hot Stove season should start to take shape then.
November 27th, 20096:50 pm
Sounds like the Marlins are willing to trade Johnson in the right deal. I think he is a free agent after 2011. Great news for the Bravos if he is dealt out of division, but that could hurt the options for a Lowe deal.
November 27th, 20097:00 pm
I’m not willing to say that Wren wouldn’t trade for Gonzalez because I don’t think he’d trade Freeman plus who knows what else to get the guy, but I think I can say both JJ & Hanson are staying put from just about everything I’ve read on this team. I just like to think that it’s very possible he could be our cleanup hitter for the next few year & maybe more because that’s what I like to think. How ’bout nobody say this guy or that guy is out of the question & bash people for suggesting them. Now, Cabrera seems like a very long shot for so many reasons, but the Pirates had just upped McLouth on a new contract then turned around & traded him right after, so anything is possible. Of course he’s not getting $16-18m a year like Cabrera either, but almost all the doors are open right now for Wren.
November 27th, 20097:27 pm
John Lackey, Roy Halladay, Josh Johnson, and Derek Lowe. Tough anyone would look to acquire Lowe…..
November 27th, 20097:37 pm
Coach how come your not on braves journal anymore?
Wake up people
November 27th, 20097:40 pm
Angels, Red Sox, Yankees, Brewers are the only suitors that can handle Lowe’s contract.
Greg Olson Homers
November 27th, 20097:43 pm
Would it be possible to just trade Lowe to a team for nothing (bag of balls)? Would the Braves do that? That $45 million could be used elsewhere and its not like we gave anything up to get him as a FA.
November 27th, 20097:55 pm
yes Greg Olson Homers, we could easily trade Lowe for a bag of balls. The people who say otherwise are chicken little types.
November 27th, 20098:23 pm
richbrave, you see the Spiders just knocked off Missy State? Hopefully the good vibes will carry over to the football field …
November 27th, 20098:31 pm
Good luck tomorrow, Keeper!
November 27th, 20098:44 pm
Same to your Tribe, VJ! Here’s to an all-CAA final four!
November 27th, 20098:48 pm
Maybe so Lew, but there is no way of knowing what a change of scenery would do for the dude. Maybe nothing at all, maybe it would make him drink even more, or perhaps he would get his sh!t sorted out and grow up a bit. — Salamander
And if he doesn’t get it together, well, you only owe him about $120 mill over the next six years, right? Just $20-22 mill per season, and more than one-fifth of the payroll next year. No worries.
November 27th, 20098:50 pm
(or maybe three of four – forgot that three of the CAA teams are on one side of the bracket)
November 27th, 20099:26 pm
Just checking in on the Bama alum to see if they all survived. Good thing Tater was asking for the whiskey early. LOL. Last years 36-0 was much easier on the nerves. My heart was jumping out of my chest in the last couple minutes of that one. Hats off to Gene Cheezit…he came, he saw, and he damn near conquered. REHIRE TUBS.
November 27th, 20099:47 pm
Just think, if you had that guy’s schedule, how much time it’d give you to indulge in the finer things in life. Like Taco Bell.
DOB dislikes Taco Bell?
November 27th, 200910:10 pm
who can blame hi?
November 27th, 200910:11 pm
November 27th, 200911:19 pm
MORONS, ABSOLUTE MORONS
I read the blog often and contribute seldom. I’ve seldom seen such idiocy here. Some of you actually want to sign an overpriced drunken wife beater in the hope that a change of scenery will make a change in him. Wake up!
November 27th, 200911:31 pm
Who’s an “overpriced drunken wife beater”?
(And no Cox jokes)
chip off the ol block
November 27th, 200911:42 pm
RHR thanks for the props… we just about did it, im a big ol Auburn fan and it was a tough day but its alright
November 27th, 200911:53 pm
DiamondbackMac, morons huh? Why, because it’s been written for a few days now that the Tigers might trade Cabrera & some people are throwing around ideas for what it might take to get him in Atlanta? No, that’s not being moronic. It’s a blog & that’s what it’s for. Like people are getting paid big bucks around here to write credible columns or something, lol. That’s DOB’s job & that’s why we take him serious.
No, Cabrera more than likely doesn’t come to the Braves for more than one reason, but people aren’t being moronic suggesting it. It’s a boring time of year for die hard baseball fans, so there.
November 28th, 200912:10 am
Cox isn’t overpriced
November 28th, 200912:15 am
I like how DOB dropped in twice today, both times to make fun of someone in sarcastic fashion (I was one of them)
November 28th, 200912:27 am
Jeffrey D: Sorry about that. That wasn’t nice of me to drop in only to be sarcastic.
No BBQ today, but not such a bad thing since the only reason there was no BBQ was that we were overstuffed from a second day of Southern Thanksgiving gluttony. Mom cooked yesterday, and today we drove over to Oxford and my aunt cooked up a feast as only she can. I mean, this woman is a seriously great cook, has been as long as I can remember.
From the ham and turkey to the corn pudding, stuffing, collards and fried cornbread (oh, her fried cornbread is sublime), it was all outstanding. And lots of sweet tea. And pumpkin-pie crunch, and … OK, I’ll stop. We ate while watching the Iron Bowl, then drove back to Wilson.
Just watched Tyson, that documentary on Mike Tyson that came out earlier this year. Disturbing but quite good.
Gonna drive over to Greenville tomorrow, see the old neighborhood, then eat at Bill’s here in Wilson, and also buy a pound of Parker’s BBQ to take home Sunday.
Hope everybody’s had a good holiday.
Oh, and my parents’ cat weighs 25 pounds. He might be the fattest cat I’ve seen. But he’s happy, 12 years old, and apparently healthy, says the vet.
November 28th, 200912:29 am
Roy Halladay is the best pitcher in baseball, hands down. Ok?
November 28th, 200912:31 am
(oh, her friend cornbread is to die for) – DOB
What an unusual name, cornbread. I’m sure (s)he is “to die for” with a name like that.
November 28th, 200912:45 am
funny thing i have not one person pick georgia.
myself included i think tech is the better coached team.
note: i said tech is better coached.
we got the better athletes.
never hated tech growing up always considered them not relaevant.
still do. tech is not our rival. though they do.
unless the dawgs do something way out of their character we will probably be bested.
though for all you tech guys, you aint in the sec.
November 28th, 200912:51 am
Red Sox trade for Halladay.
Yankees (as a result) aggressively pursue John Lackey.
Angels, stuck in pitching rotation shamble, listen to Braves about Derek Lowe.
Frank Wren, working his “GM Genius” (© 2009), trades Lowe.
Remember, worst case scenario, we go into the season with a rotation of:
November 28th, 200912:53 am
been to at least 8 games at bobby dodd or grant field not sure what they are calling it these days, other then the fact they are sending out season ticket invitations just to about everybody not named bin-laden.
well, jurrjens, ‘cornbread’ is as common a nickname in north carolina as bubba is in georgia. remember cornbread maxwell, the basketball player from unc-charlotte?
November 28th, 20091:01 am
‘cornbread’ is as common a nickname in north carolina as bubba is in georgia
remember cornbread maxwell, the basketball player from unc-charlotte?
November 28th, 20091:02 am
i definitely believe we’ll be able to move d. lowe. we may have to eat 2 mil / per on his contract, but if so, we’ll get some good prospects back in return. it’ll happen though.
November 28th, 20091:03 am
November 28th, 20091:05 am
Ohhhhhh. CORNbread Maxwell…
…Thats really racist.
November 28th, 20091:07 am
eat 2 mill.
so who would take him?
November 28th, 20091:08 am
so hudson who might be a better pitcher just signed for a fraction of lowe’s contract.
November 28th, 20091:10 am
lowe’s whip was pretty bad last season, no doubt. still like his makeup though.
November 28th, 20091:17 am
from the “diary of a cracker” blog: In the 40-plus years of living in the South, I have met a lot of guys called “Bubba”. It’s a bit more common nickname than people realize. Even President Clinton was a “Bubba”. For a lot of people these days, hearing about someone having the name “Bubba” is an indication the name holder is to be considered somewhat of a “redneck, good old Southern boy”. But do these people know that the state of North Carolina has its own commonly-held, uniquely indigenous nickname? In North Carolina, the name “Cornbread” is not an anomaly, and whereas most “Bubbas” are “good old boys,” the name “Cornbread” is found across racial lines. As a matter of fact, I’ve met several Latino immigrants to the state who have named their child “Cornbread” as a sign of their allegiance to their new homeland. Outside of Charlotte, I met not only a “Cornbread Lopez,” but a “Cornbread Rodriguez” as well. Interestingly enough, the “Cornbread Rodriguez” I met was a young girl of 2.
November 28th, 20091:20 am
best thing about this season we will be francoeur free.
there is a outside shot francoeur might turn into jason werth minus the speed.
serious, tall hitters take time.
my point is the front office is not going to depend on him or kelly this offseason.
kelly and jeff did us no favors early in the season.
funny thing tough superstar hit the first pitch he saw this season out of the ballpark.
November 28th, 20091:22 am
First post seems to have gotten lost.
Will McGriff or Galarraga make it this year? Ever?
November 28th, 20091:25 am
cant say which team in particular will take him, but as we get closer to the season, some team that thinks they have a shot at winning is gonna be looking for an innings-eater who could win 17 games and post a 3.5 era. they’ll see 2009 as an off-year for lowe and figure that he is a decent bet for rebounding next year. and for $13 mil, that’s not a bad deal. wouldnt the dodgers have loved to have had him going into the playoffs last year?
crime dog should.
November 28th, 20091:27 am
lowe looked pretty bad late last season.
he does not miss bats and has a propensity to walk people.
November 28th, 20091:30 am
and if we end up stuck with lowe, the worst thing about it would be that it’d probably mean wren would trade vazquez. i dont mind lowe at all. i think he’ll put up solid numbers next year. (solid numbers for a 2 starter.) i’d prefer not to lose vazquez though–would like to see wren sign JV to a 2 year extension.
November 28th, 20091:33 am
uga–agreed about johnson and francouer. they wont be bogging down the offense this year, and that’ll make a huge difference.
November 28th, 20091:37 am
crime dog should. Uga
you think first year?
I think McGriff and Martinez are kinda borderline but might eventually get in. I think Alomar and Larkin are sure to get in, but maybe only one of them the first try. I doubt Galarraga ever gets in, nor any of the other newbies this year.
November 28th, 20091:41 am
Is Xavier Nady pronounced X – sAv – V – IER or like Javier?
November 28th, 20091:42 am
lowe’s contract is almost, who do you say stuck with it.
kawkami is more tradeable. dont see either being able to bring much.
keep vazquez , say it again keep vazquez.
would rather have him, jjj, tommy, and hudson, then a marginal outfielder
November 28th, 20091:43 am
I believe this is Murphy’s last chance to get in, I’ll be pissed if he doesn’t!
November 28th, 20091:45 am
roberto alomar has a shot. best second bagger in his generation.
not a first round guy though. neither is crime dog.
November 28th, 20091:49 am
kk’s real tradeable, but i think he’s gonna have a great 2010, and with his contract, youre gonna want to keep him. lowe will happen. teams are always looking for pitching and there arent too many good ones available this off-season. it’ll mostly be a salary dump but that’s fine, as it frees up money for a bat.
November 28th, 20091:50 am
The interesting thing over the next few years will be if E Martinez gets in. Probably the best DH ever, does he make it sometime? How ’bout Larkin. I think Larkin is fairly solid to get in at some time.
November 28th, 20091:51 am
dale murphy does not get in.
398 dingers. right or wrong he does not get in.
November 28th, 20091:53 am
who wants to pick up that contact?
three more years?
November 28th, 20091:56 am
with you on edgar martinez. he was a pro.
but we get into the soup when we talk about designated hitters.
November 28th, 20091:58 am
that means frank thomas is a automatic.
November 28th, 20092:01 am
I think frank is an automatic as long as he isn’t linked to PEDs b4 he is eligible. Great great hitter.The 4 I mentioned are eligible this season, Frank obviously is not.
November 28th, 20092:03 am
i dont think larkin is.
November 28th, 20092:08 am
I’m trying to find out where Jason Grilli is playing…
November 28th, 20092:12 am
I’m not so sure anybody will bet in this year. Maybe Dawson. or Blyleven, Alomar has best chance of the newbies in first year
November 28th, 20092:36 am
dawgs dawgs, then again if joe cox does joe cox. tech.
November 28th, 20093:07 am
I’m with you uga, but I know a lot of UGA folks who hate tech with a passion. What I hate about them most is how they act like they are the smartest students from the smartest university ever established on planet earth. get out of my face with that.
speaking of smart…lol … uh… who believes that wreck story tiger is trying to sell? not i said the uga/bama/lsus alum. his wife whopped his ass.
November 28th, 20093:11 am
joe cox is disaster. but you know what..he’s better than greg mcelroy. how is bama 12-0 with that guy leading the offense? i hate the gators. he better grow a set before next saturday…cant stand the thoughts of the gators in it again. no matter what, our lord and savior tim tebow is only playing 2 more CFB games. thank the gods for that.
Wayne in Utah
November 28th, 20093:18 am
Emergency message to David O’Brien!!!!
WHY STOP AT JUST ONE POUND OF BBQ??????
Come on man, get 5-10 lbs of the stuff. Won’t it freeze??? Look at the opportunity presenting itself to you. If I had your cell phone number, I would text you an emergency message.
(still trying to figure out how to get some Q and Zaxby’s chicken freighted out to Utah!)
Have a safe trip back home Dave!
November 28th, 20093:24 am
I know you Georgians are anxiously awaiting the Bulldogs and Yellow Jackets contest, but we Carolinians are thinking nothing but the Tigers and the Gamecocks. (and my neighbors are waiting on the Utes and Cougars)
Tomorrow should be a fine day for watching some college football. Going to go catch the Jazz against the Trail Blazers tomorrow night too. A good day all around, fore shure!
November 28th, 20093:27 am
The difference is the number of interceptions. (Cox 14/McElroy 4)
November 28th, 20094:18 am
Nice of the cat to let you stay at his place. I had to lay off the collards, so I could watch the Iron Bowl. You may consider that before you make the drive back to ATL. hee, hee
November 28th, 20098:19 am
New blog has to be coming and I smell some Miggy-Pop as the subject. Good grief.
For the pro-Cabrera crowd, let’s just set aside the $21 million average salary for the next 6 years he’s owed. (which the Braves would not deal for but I digress….) In Florida, teammates, coaches and front office personnel accused him of playing disinterested at times. Not at the plate, obviously, but on the basepaths and in the field.
Now in Detroit, he has had several run-ins with the law. For those saying it’s just one incident (yeah, THAT’S why the Tigers are wanting to unload him…for one isolated incident), go to this link for the story and 911 call from his wife:
Now read below from same article:
Saturday’s incident is the second situation since August involving police, Cabrera and the Townsend, according to investigators. Birmingham Police officers responded to the Rugby Grille at 6:30 p.m. Aug. 31 after another patron said Cabrera threatened that he had a gun. According to police reports, the Birmingham man and a friend said hello to Cabrera, who responded with, “What’s up, big boy? You need to work out.”
When the Birmingham man asked Cabrera to not say that and leave him alone, Cabrera started to “rant and rave,” saying “Let’s go, right now,” “I’ll fight you both,” and “Let’s go outside, I have a Land Rover and I’ll get my ‘click clack,’” motioning the racking of a handgun, according to investigators.
C’mon, people. Quit with the Cabrera dreams. It doesn’t make sense for the Braves. Enough.
November 28th, 20099:16 am
TommyP, you are barking up the wrong tree dude, I have been saying that for days, that it doesnt make any sense for the Braves to even attempt to bring in Cabrera. These people that want it to happen just dont get why it wont.
November 28th, 20099:25 am
But WTF, Dude only needs a change of scenery, right?
November 28th, 20099:31 am
Tommy P – Those rantings from Cabrera were heard earlier here in S. Florida. From the fight with Scott Olsen in the dugout, to the bully threatening teammates, to the drinking episodes off the field, to the out of shape fat slob showing up for Spring Training, they are now showing up in Detroit – only worse.
And like a drunk I knew who, after uncountable years of bad drunken behavior, descibed himself. It just kept getting worser and worser and worser until I finally quit drinking .
Things will continue to get “worser” for Miguel Cabrera until he puts the alcohol on the shelf – permanently. Maybe a couple of years after that happens……………………
November 28th, 20099:54 am
UGA-Brave……it is known as Bobby Dodd Stadium at Historic Grant Field. Oldest field in continuous use in D1 or FBS. Does justice to the 4 national titles and honors The Coach. Just clarifying for you. Now if they can just cut back on the videos there.
November 28th, 200910:27 am
it is known as Bobby Dodd Stadium at Historic Grant Field. Oldest field in continuous use in D1 or FBS RockOn
Just your usual WRONG stuff Rock Head I guess you are going to say something like “yeah, but they played on the field before the stadium was there”.
The NCAA deems Franklin Field (33rd Street at South Street, Philadelphia, Web site), which has staged University of Pennsylvania sports since 1895, as its oldest football stadium. The facility is believed to have hosted the most football games by any one collegiate team – No. 800 for Penn is slated Saturday versus Dartmouth – although the NCAA does not keep official records in this category.
Harvard Stadium (95 N. Harvard St., Allston, Mass., Web site), opened in 1903, is the oldest permanent concrete structure in the country.
The Yale Bowl (276 Derby Ave., West Haven, Conn., Web site) hosted its first tilt, against Harvard, on Nov. 21, 1914.
Together they represent three of the four oldest Division I stadiums in the country; Bobby Dodd Stadium at Georgia Tech opened in 1913. Tony Guadagnoli
November 28th, 200910:38 am
Penn, Harvard, and Yale don’t play in Division I. They play in I-AA, which is technically Division I, but not really. Rock On was talking about Bobby Dodd as it related to the football division that matters, NCAA Division I-A, now known as the FBS division for who knows what stupid needless name change reason. Who cares what Penn, Harvard, and Yale do on a football field anyway? Their football players are as inept as the politicians those schools graduate.
November 28th, 200910:42 am
I read that Brandon Phillips is on the market with a remaining contract of 2 years and ~$19MM. Power, speed, and fire.
November 28th, 200910:44 am
And Brandon Phillips plays a position we have covered for about $9 mil per year less $$$$.
November 28th, 200910:53 am
Power, speed, and fire.
He’s not as good a hitter as you think. Besides, Prado is our second baseman making quite a bit less. I would put Phillips on the market if I were the Reds too, though.
November 28th, 200910:57 am
Brandon Phillips-.276BA, .329OBP, .447 SLG%–.30 2B, 20 HR in 644PA-988 Fldg%- 2010 salary $6.75 million
Martin Prado-.307BA, .358OBP, .464SLG%-382B, 11HR in 503 PA- -.986 Fldg%- 2010 salary, $500,000
Who gives you much more bang for the buck? Might this be important on a team with payroll limits like the Braves have? Ya Think?
November 28th, 200911:01 am
Lew, yeah, but you could easily move Prado to 1st & have Phillips at 2nd. Prado looked fine over there to me this season. Not great, but I’m sure he’s the type that would work at his game if given the time. Phillips would be a good one to have, for sure.
November 28th, 200911:04 am
but you could easily move Prado to 1st & have Phillips at 2nd.
But why would we want a second baseman playing first? You need more offense from your first baseman than Prado can provide.
November 28th, 200911:07 am
What I hate about them most is how they act like they are the smartest students from the smartest university ever established on planet earth. get out of my face with that.
I hate how UGA has owned Tech for about 20 years. Tech is 2-7 against Georgia this decade. They win once and you’d think they owned the world.
November 28th, 200911:47 am
TnBrian-Moving Prado to first base is absurd. The Dude can fill in there, but really isn’t all that defensively. Time to face facts and go for a player that might actually make you stronger both offensively and defensively. This ridiculous practice of playing musical positions just is NOT the way you do things. Utility players are for emergency purposes. They are good players that you absolutely need on a team. However, a player benefits from having a specific duty. Leave Prado alone except for occasional use at other positions when really needed. And only then.
November 28th, 200912:11 pm
November 28th, 2009
It is pronounced like your first option X- sAv- V-IER..
November 28th, 200912:16 pm
Well, than they oughta ship Freeman,Medlen, Schafer & a decent prospect to SD for Gonzalez. Boy, that’ll solve some power problems.
November 28th, 200912:17 pm
Former Braves prospect Dennis Dixon is starting for the Steelers this week. Big Ben out with a concussion.
November 28th, 200912:23 pm
after surgery nady is pronounced—ex savior
Or just keep Schafer & Medlen, like to see both stay. I think Schafer is going to be a star.
November 28th, 200912:25 pm
the problem with getting gonzalez is that in two years he’ll be another texiereia (sic) playing for another team and people will be complaining about giving up whatever prospects…especially if freeman is hitting like expected….
November 28th, 200912:30 pm
Except Gonzalez’s agent isn’t Scott Boras.
Just playing devil’s advocate here. I’d rather not unload the farm for him.
November 28th, 200912:44 pm
his agent ain’t boras …yet
November 28th, 200912:46 pm
Selig is stepping down in 2012!!!
Best news of the offseason!
November 28th, 200912:47 pm
bud is an ancester of the maya
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