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Tell It Like It Is
November 18th, 2009
6:43 pm
The Braves best plan is to stay out of the free agent market and develop from within the system. They cannot compete with the Dodgers, Angels, Yankees, Mets, etc. in a salary war. There are 11 players on the Braves present roster who make the minimum salary of $400,000. Those players include Hanson, Jurrgens,Escobar,Prado and Heyward. Infante makes $1.85 million. All of the minimum salary guys will be eligible for arbitration in three or five years. Guess who will be out there throwing big bucks at them if they cannot come to an agreement with the Braves. We better enjoy the next few years as the MLB economy is just what the White Sox GM says it is. IT IS WHAT IT IS.
McFann O
November 18th, 2009
6:53 pm
And by the way–Congrats to the MOYs. Both were deserving.
Ken Strickland
November 18th, 2009
6:55 pm
What are the things the Braves must do with its everyday lineup in order to become a World Series calibur team.
(1)Make a trade for the Padres’ 1st baseman Gonzalez. He would solve the problems we currently have at 1B and give us the RH power hitter we need.
(2)Signing him would also allow us to sign an OF with speed and DEF, rather than power, which could solve the leadoff problem we’ve had since RFucal left.
(3)Sign Mark DeRosa. He’d give us the versatility that would allow us to carry an additional pitcher and provide a quality backup at 3rd base, which we all know we’ll need when, not if, Chipper goes down.
Braveheart
November 18th, 2009
7:07 pm
Which numbers is Schuerholz saying Boras is lying about? Forbes said in April that the Braves generated $186 million in revenue, and paid the players $106 million (including benefits and bonuses).
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2009/33/baseball-values-09_Atlanta-Braves_336642.html
Is Schuerholz saying that Boras and Forbes are wrong about the Braves generating $180 million in revenue, and paying $106 or so million to the players? Or is he saying the administrative cost of running the team is more than $30 million?
The Mets franchise had at least $570 million invested with Madoff. Hard to believe that was their only investment account. The amount of money the Mets had invested with Madoff validates what Boras is saying about how much money these teams are pocketing.
Not that it’s wrong that teams as businesses are pocketing money, but it’s kind of ridiculous when you hear your team cry about monetary constraints when they’re pocketing $50 million.
You won 86 games last year. What if you only pocketed $25 million last year and signed Tex AND Sabathia last offseason instead of Lowe? Do you win the division? The World Series?
Soph
November 18th, 2009
7:07 pm
Thanks for the link! Don’t tell Petey I said this, but that cat was CUTE!
You’re welcome! Yup, he was a cutie. I cracked up when I saw him put his paws on the steering wheel like he was driving. I have a feeling he’d try to climb all over Petey rather than eat him.
N8
November 18th, 2009
7:08 pm
“Gotta say, I’m a little surprised to see Cox finish fifth in NL Manager of Year balloting — ahead of Fredi Gonzalez and Charlie Manuel.” DOB
Are you surprised he finished 5th? Or surprised he finished ahead of Gonzalez and Manuel?
BravesFanChris25
November 18th, 2009
7:10 pm
Ken Strickland
Gonzo is LH 1B ~_~
nolie
November 18th, 2009
7:21 pm
Prado, lest we forget, has never been the incumbent at any position and 2010 will be his initial season starting. Last year it would not have been hard to project him at 20 homers and close to 30 doubles had he played the whole season all the while batting around .300 with an OBP of over.400 Rock On
20 homers and an .400 OPS? unlikely even once in his career let alone regularly, and I’m speaking as a guy who pushed him here B4 anyone else, so I like him, but let’s be realistic
nolie
November 18th, 2009
7:23 pm
but since when is “24″ homers the mark of a “power bat” for our outfield? Weiss
post steroids. 24 is the new 35
P. W. Hjort
November 18th, 2009
7:25 pm
(1)Make a trade for the Padres’ 1st baseman Gonzalez. He would solve the problems we currently have at 1B and give us the RH power hitter we need.
Adrian Gonzalez bats left-handed.
nolie
November 18th, 2009
7:26 pm
It doesn’t seem to be enough to say he’s a fine, solid player; always gotta be some totally nonsensical hype about the guy thrown in. Scoots
kinda like all that crap we always had to read about Johnson, huh?
nolie
November 18th, 2009
7:27 pm
Marcus Thames is a FA.
oh yeah, 243/306 is just the ticket alright
MiamiBrave
November 18th, 2009
7:36 pm
Throw $8 million a year at Laroche for two years and the same amount to Marlon Byrd for 3-4 years and we’re set at LF and first base. Trade Kawakami for either outfield or corner infield insurance and we’re in business. I’m personally not sold on Hudson yet. $27 million for a guy who hasn’t won more than 14 games and is coming off arm surgery sounds like a high price to me. Soriano has got to be the choice at closer. OFlaherty is ready to replace Gonzalez as the lefty setup guy.
nolie
November 18th, 2009
7:40 pm
well stated, my friend. I agree 100 percent- great players from OUR OWN minor league system is what began the run in early 90s. Redstick
yup, guys like Bream and Belliard and Pendleton, no doubt about it, and Nixon and Smith and Treadway and Pena and Leibrandt etc ad nauseum only 4 starters there
nolie
November 18th, 2009
7:41 pm
or is it 5 position starters? sigh
CB
November 18th, 2009
7:49 pm
MiamiBrave,you want to give Marlon Byrd 8mil for 3-4yrs? Geez
bobbymahlon
November 18th, 2009
7:52 pm
Josh Willingham is no improvement over Matt Diaz thus signing him would be a waste of money. We cannot solve our hitting woes with slightly above average hitters, something we already have within our system. If we trade one of our starters for someone like Josh or Jermaine Dye who is over the hill we are making a big mistake. I rather stick with what we have in hopes Jason Heyward wil be ready come spring unless we can up with a power hitting righthanded hitting outfielder.
McFann O
November 18th, 2009
7:53 pm
Soph I cracked up when I saw him put his paws on the steering wheel like he was driving.
That was adorable! I love kittens…and even some adult cats are growing on me.
I have a feeling he’d try to climb all over Petey rather than eat him.
Haha! And Petey would either try to fly away or start hissing and biting. He almost got caught by a dog once…
Brother saved him, though. 
nolie
November 18th, 2009
7:56 pm
Yes, scouts get bonuses for every one of their players they scouted get signed. That right there would add up to 30 million easily Eric Mo
you’re kidding me right? Scouts get paid crap wages even today./ can’t remember who it was I read about recently, but one long time successful scout was cut to $18,000. a few at the top make decent money, but most scouts do not.
ncscoots
November 18th, 2009
8:06 pm
kinda like all that crap we always had to read about Johnson, huh?
Exactly, LOL, and I’m proud to admit it. But nobody with a lick of sense, no matter how big a Johnson booster, ever styled him as above-average defensively or projected some outrageous slash stats for him. You can pick up a couple of posts a day like that on Prado, no sweat.
As I said earlier, it’s as if some here are afraid that characterizing him as merely “a good player” leaves him open to be doubted, thus a constant urge to pump him up. The guy had a good solid year, and I’m pretty sure the Braves would take the same from him next year. But I don’t think even Mar-teen dreams of a 20HR/.400 OBP year, LOL. I mean, please.
Oklahoma Brave
November 18th, 2009
8:21 pm
Enter your comments here
reagan
November 18th, 2009
8:22 pm
DA and ROB (SC)….on your am posts. I remember bringing up Jake Fox a few weeks ago. Love his power but someone dug deep and found out his defense is less than average (to say the least). I would say play him in left only. Work his keyester off in the spring and he could be average D. With his power (and what he would cost)…..he would be someone I hope the Braves are looking at closely.
Random
November 18th, 2009
8:35 pm
MiamiBrave (November 18th, 2009 7:36 pm): “Trade Kawakami for either outfield or corner infield insurance and we’re in business.”
Kawakami will not be traded.
AdirondackDave
November 18th, 2009
8:40 pm
Random — I’m sure I’m going to regret asking this question… but if Frank Wren doesn’t know if Kawakami is not going going to be traded, how do you?
Braveheart
November 18th, 2009
8:52 pm
AdirondackDave, be mindful of the delicate sensitivities of the Japanese. It’s just business when Toyota and Honda run GM out of business, but not so if a GM runs Kawakami out of town.
David O'Brien
November 18th, 2009
9:00 pm
I was wondering last night if anyone’s ever fallen as hard and fast as Norton did. — Thrillhouse44
A guy named Andruw did a pretty thorough free-fall, too.
Macon Braves (RIP)
November 18th, 2009
9:15 pm
I’m personally not sold on Hudson yet. $27 million for a guy who hasn’t won more than 14 games and is coming off arm surgery sounds like a high price to me. MiamiBrave
Huh? You must have looked up Orlando Hudson’s stats then. TIM Hudson has won more than 14 games 5 times in his career.
And $9 million a year for him (despite his surgery last year) isn’t THAT much of a gamble. Especially since he showed at the end of last season that he hadn’t had any setbacks in his recovery.
Salamander
November 18th, 2009
9:16 pm
MiamiBrave,you want to give Marlon Byrd 8mil for 3-4yrs? Geez CB
I know right?
HR at home (Arlington): 14
HR on the road: 6
OPS home: .874
OPS road: .741
He even got walked more at home (20 vs. 12 on road).
Macon Braves (RIP)
November 18th, 2009
9:21 pm
DOB–You may have commented on this before and I failed to see it, but have you checked out Modern Family yet? I think it has been hilarious so far and having Sofia Vergara to look at (who I’ve lusted over long before she was known in the U.S.) doesn’t hurt the show either. And was it worth staying up till 3:00 last night to watch the latest Sons of Anarchy? I’m almost dreading next week now, knowing that it’s the last episode of the season. Gonna have some serious SOA withdrawal after next week.
Efrim
November 18th, 2009
9:21 pm
CC (Atlanta)
Scale of 1-10 (10 being a terrible mistake), how wrong is it for Wren to re-sign Hudson and deal Vazquez. I say 9.5
Jim Callis (2:49 PM)
Kind of depends on what they get for Vazquez, doesn’t it?
nolie
November 18th, 2009
9:30 pm
Kind of depends on what they get for Vazquez, doesn’t it?
yeah, but I kinda doubt they are gonna get a season maker back in a trade for him
sidslidkid
November 18th, 2009
9:31 pm
Anybody think this years starters can compete with the 1998 staff? It’s some big shoes to fill but I got a good feeling.
1998 Atlanta Braves
Greg Maddux (18-9, 2.22)
Tom Glavine (20-6, 2.47)
John Smoltz (17-3, 2.90)
Denny Neagle (16-11, 3.55
Kevin Millwood (17-8, 4.08)
keylargo
November 18th, 2009
9:31 pm
I’m personally not sold on Hudson yet. $27 million for a guy who hasn’t won more than 14 games and is coming off arm surgery sounds like a high price to me.
In Hudson’s last 8 years (excluding surgery year) he has won :
20, 18, 15, 16, 12, 14, 13, 16
Daybed Wagmoe
November 18th, 2009
9:43 pm
Nice win (again) by the Hometown Hawks again tonight. I didn’t get to see any of the game, but it looks like they didn’t have too hard of a time beating Miami tonight. 10-2 baby!
jeffrey d
November 18th, 2009
9:46 pm
Still not enough. I’d like to see some 25 win seasons before I’m convinced.
P. W. Hjort
November 18th, 2009
9:46 pm
yeah, but I kinda doubt they are gonna get a season maker back in a trade for him
Yeah, but you’re going to get something. Perhaps of the minor-league variety, perhaps a young reliever or two, perhaps a bat of similar contractual status (in that case I would expect it to be a season maker because Vazquez is a season maker himself). And between getting nothing for Hudson or getting something for Vazquez, I’ll go with the latter option every time.
The Braves had a geographical advantage with Hudson and took the chance to lock him up at below market rate, another smart play.
Anyway, it may end up that Vazquez and Hudson both occupy the rotation in 2010, perhaps even beyond. And that’s really what everybody wants, I think.
nolie
November 18th, 2009
9:49 pm
But nobody with a lick of sense, no matter how big a Johnson booster, ever styled him as above-average defensively or projected some outrageous slash stats for him. You can pick up a couple of posts a day like that on Prado, no sweat. Scoots
I don’t know, I remember seeing some pretty outrageous predictions for Kelly. But I guess you ‘lick of sense’ mofifer covers it since nobody with a lick of sense would have been a Johnson fan to begin with
sidslidkid
November 18th, 2009
9:50 pm
25 wins in a season? Those kind of numbers are like big foot, ufo’s and female orgasms… they don’t exist in the real world.
Random
November 18th, 2009
9:53 pm
AdirondackDave (November 18th, 2009 8:40 pm): “I’m sure I’m going to regret asking this question… but if Frank Wren doesn’t know if Kawakami is not going going to be traded, how do you?”
How do you know that Wren doesn’t know — what makes you think that he doesn’t know?
He certainly knows more than me, and all’s I know is . . . . .
(wait for it . . . . .)
Kawakami will not be traded.
Bob
November 18th, 2009
9:54 pm
Quick question here, not sure what every page of comments say but explain me this:
Everyone seemingly wants Lowe traded and not Vazquez. Sensing a majority by the pages I have read. Yet Chicago hated Vazquez and constantly referred to his inability to pitch big games. Indeed Vazquez had a top 5 mlb starter season but where does that value fall when his worst outing of the season came with about a week left and the Braves within 3 or 4 games of the division and just a couple from the wild card. He lost our most important game but not just a loss, his worst outing all season, made me a firm believer that he is probably the best meaningless game pitcher in baseball but a guy you don’t want to have if you are in a playoff push.
He was criticized in Chicago, he blew one of the most important games of our season with a week left, the guy cannot stand of to the pressure, my vote is trade him and keep Kawakami and keep matching him up against the elite of elite pitchers, where he always seems to shine.
nolie
November 18th, 2009
9:57 pm
Yeah, but you’re going to get something. Perhaps of the minor-league variety, perhaps a young reliever or two, perhaps a bat of similar contractual status (in that case I would expect it to be a season maker because Vazquez is a season maker himself). PW
wasn’t referring to Hudson, and getting “something” for Javy is no reason to trade him.They are not gonna take back minor leaguers for him, nor relievers either most likely. If they can’t do any better than that in a down pitching FA year then Wren really screwed the pooch.
What I meant is I think it more likely that they will get an average to slightly above average player than they will get the stud that some think he will return, unless it involves several players.
Nick Spaziani
November 18th, 2009
9:57 pm
News is that Marlon Byrd will be a FA, he’s got solid numbers, hits for a good avg, and plays fairly decent defense in the corner OF spots. He’s got to be someone the Braves should look to sign in mo opinion. Not sure what he’s looking for, but if you can get him on a 3yr/16-18mil deal, maybe?? Is that crazy?
Bob
November 18th, 2009
9:59 pm
we already tried the old outfielder approach with G-Rat Anderson, lets stay away from Byrd and Dye as well
Random
November 18th, 2009
9:59 pm
I see that Braveheart ’s returned to his roots in sarcastic oversimplification and trivialization of complex arguments.
WTG, BH.
Kawakami will not be traded.
Random
November 18th, 2009
10:00 pm
“tendentious trivialization”
Macon Braves (RIP)
November 18th, 2009
10:00 pm
Daybed–Watched the whole Hawks-Heat game tonight. Hawks had an amazing second quarter (ended the half on a 25-8 run) and played GREAT defense. Heat made a bit of a run in the third quarter, but Hawks showed that they are a different team now by locking back down on the defensive end and cruised through the fourth quarter.
This really looks like a completely different franchise this season (I know they’ve been better the last two years, but they look like they are ready to step up to an “elite” team this year) and barring a rash of injuries I think they will win 55 or so games this year.
Bob
November 18th, 2009
10:01 pm
I think our rotation should be:
Jurrjens
Hudson
Hanson
Lowe
and then line Kawakami up to face most everyone’s ace, seeing how well he fared last year against big pitchers.
Trade Vazquez to someone like the Phillies who thinks they are getting a “great” pitcher so that down the stretch when games matter, he will fail on them.
McFann O
November 18th, 2009
10:06 pm
nolie post steroids. 24 is the new 35
P. W. Hjort
November 18th, 2009
10:09 pm
The Braves are in a unique situation because they’re both a) looking to trade a valuable commodity away (a legit front-rotation starter in Vazquez or Lowe) and b) still trying to contend. It’s usually you’re selling the premium pieces or you’re contending, not both. There are exceptions, but it’s a rare blessing to find yourself with 6 (7 if you count Medlen, and I do) viable starting pitchers.
nolie
November 18th, 2009
10:09 pm
Byrd couldn’t hit a lick b4 he got to Texas, an extreme hitter’s park.his BA away from home ain’t all that terrible, but his power evaporates at other parks. I would hesitate to spend any significant time or money on the guy. It hurts me to say that too since he has the same birthday as I do.
Lew
November 18th, 2009
10:11 pm
Bob-Vazquez had a bad start down the stretch so he can’t pitch under pressure? You do perhaps realize that Ozzie Guillen bitched mightily the whole time he was running him out there on short rest several times and wondering why he wasn’t getting the performance he wanted?
AdirondackDave
November 18th, 2009
10:12 pm
Random — Please don’t take offense, but I have a sister-in-law that ‘reasons’ like you. (imagine a smiley face in the space)
Efrim
November 18th, 2009
10:13 pm
yeah, but I kinda doubt they are gonna get a season maker back in a trade for him
nolie, I think any realistic trade scenario involving Vazquez is probably going to leave the Braves short a fair return. But that’s just my take based on what I have read/heard. I don;t think Wren will trade him for prospects, and that’s probably a good thing because one year of Javy won’t net elite prospects. I think the NTC to West teams hurts Wren’s ability to deal the guy too. Both LA teams, Seattle, and Texas could use a starter and probably have the funds to make it happen, but because of the no trade, it most likely won’t. And I don’t like how we match up with most teams in the Central that could use a starter(Milwaukee, Minnesota, etc.). Of course, I think we match up fine with them for Lowe, just not Vazquez.
Lew
November 18th, 2009
10:17 pm
In 2008, Vazquez pitched 13 consecutive games for the White Sox from July through early September where he p[itched at least 6 innings per start (many of them 8IP and at least one CG). Then Guillen had him start three games in a nine day period on three days rest and griped when he never went more than 5IP in the first and only four in the next two. Correlation perhaps? or would you prefer Guillen’s explanation?
Soph
November 18th, 2009
10:18 pm
Nice win (again) by the Hometown Hawks again tonight. I didn’t get to see any of the game, but it looks like they didn’t have too hard of a time beating Miami tonight.
It got a little tight in the 3rd quarter but overall it was another great game for the Hawks. Josh Smith has really stepped up this season.
BravoMan
November 18th, 2009
10:20 pm
What is up with these ridiculous post about trades involving Vazquez, or anyone on our team for that matter, with the Phillies. Wren is not going to make any trade that could benefit a rival such as the Phillies. Especially someone like Vazquez. Just absurd.
Jim
November 18th, 2009
10:20 pm
Nominating Eric Hinske for the Norton “chair” in the dugout.
Those 5 great Braves pitchers, noted about were 88-37. Incredible.
Would Nationals take Lowe and KJ for Willingham and RfP, McDougal, or whatever his name is? B’s could throw in a Minor Leage RHP slotted bewteen 10-15 on their prospect depth chart.
nolie
November 18th, 2009
10:25 pm
I think any realistic trade scenario involving Vazquez is probably going to leave the Braves short a fair return Efrim
I pretty much agree with that post. Let’s hope we both are a bit pessy.
nolie
November 18th, 2009
10:28 pm
Those 5 great Braves pitchers, noted about were 88-37. Incredible. Jim
yeah, some folks consider that the best one year starting rotation in history. Certainly in the top ½ dozen
BravoMan
November 18th, 2009
10:30 pm
I think a lot of bloggers on here need to lower their standards a bit on the “big bat” that is to be obtained for LF. I saw someone thought that Willingham would be a lame option and need to go bigger, but I dont see that happening. We’ll get an average player with 20-25 HR power ill bet. We jst have too many other needs to put so much focus on one particular area IMO.
P. W. Hjort
November 18th, 2009
10:31 pm
Correlation perhaps? or would you prefer Guillen’s explanation?
Ozzie Guillen is never wrong.
sidslidkid
November 18th, 2009
10:32 pm
The 1998 staff was the best of all time in my opinion. The Orioles had four 20 game winners in a season in the 70’s… that was also a pretty good staff. I can’t remember any of the names on that staff other than Palmer.
nolie
November 18th, 2009
10:37 pm
Then Guillen had him start three games in a nine day period on three days rest and griped when he never went more than 5IP in the first and only four in the next two
and he should have already known that Javy had trouble when Torre pitched him on short rest a few year b4. Ozzie is a loud mouthed idjit.
vabraves4life
November 18th, 2009
10:45 pm
Jim- I think the nats would make a good trade partner too. How about Nyjer Morgan and Adam Dunn for Lowe, Schafer, and rights to Ryan Church (throw in). Then the Braves sign Hank Blalock and platoon him with Diaz. Blalock hits right handed pitching and Diaz hits left handed pitching. Dunn can play left and 1B depending on whether Blalock or Diaz are playing. Morgan bats leadoff for us and Dunn is our cleanup hitter… Dunn $12m one year, Blalock $3-5 one year, and Morgan $450K. All for about the cost of Lowe.
Fully stipulate
1) Solution may not be ideal but doable and cost effective.
2) May need to give the Nats some more to complete the deal.
TK
November 18th, 2009
10:51 pm
What happened to the Cubs-Lee for Lowe rumor. And Cruz in Texas? Seems to me Lee would be a nice fit. Right handed…good D…about what Lowe makes in $$$.
TK
November 18th, 2009
10:54 pm
Chase Headley-SD for the Norton seat…except he would play more.
fsu 4 ever
November 18th, 2009
10:58 pm
just remember vabrave blalock is a boras client
Salamander
November 18th, 2009
10:58 pm
We’ll get an average player with 20-25 HR power ill bet. We just have too many other needs to put so much focus on one particular area IMO.
I disagree – the Braves need a big bat badly, and it should be (and most likely is) Wren’s top priority… That being said, I agree with the beginning of your post (that the braves will probably settle for a lesser bat), but for a different reason than the one you stated.
Numerous names have been thrown out on this blog to fill the big hitter void in the middle of the lineup over the past couple months. Other than 1-2 decent options, I haven’t seen a wealth of names with enough power/slugging to be the mythical big bat the team needs except for ridiculous video game trade scenarios that grown ups laugh at.
The kind of player the Braves need in the lineup is the same kinda guy that most teams don’t trade unless their hand is forced (for one reason or another) or they are blown away by an offer. Thus, I also am beginning to think that Wren will settle for 1-2 decent power bat acquisitions and will not find (i.e. pony up/mortgage the farm) for that legit masher.
JUST SAYING
November 18th, 2009
11:01 pm
Schafer and Nixon? Two guys who will never play outfield again for the Braves.
sidslidkid
November 18th, 2009
11:02 pm
JUST SAYING,
What makes you think Schafer will never play outfield again for the Braves?
nolie
November 18th, 2009
11:03 pm
st remember vabrave blalock is a boras clien fsu
he also hits poorly away from Arlington to the tune of a .714 OPS. pretty crappy, they sure don’t need another mediocre LHH IMO
keylargo
November 18th, 2009
11:03 pm
Orioles fab four was Dave McNally, Mike Cuellar, Jim Palmer and Pat Dobson. Only 4 20 game winners on one staff. I think it was 1971.
nolie
November 18th, 2009
11:04 pm
Schafer and Nixon? Two guys who will never play outfield again for the Braves JS
you expecting Schafer to be traded?
fsu 4 ever
November 18th, 2009
11:04 pm
trade lowe to the cubs plus prospects for lee sign vlad, dye, and soriano problems solved
Outfielders who DO NOT qualify as a "big bat"
November 18th, 2009
11:07 pm
Nelson Cruz
Michael Cuddyer
Mike Cameron
Corey Hart
Juan Rivera
Magglio Ordonez
Ryan Ludwick
fsu 4 ever
November 18th, 2009
11:08 pm
nolie i dont want him im just saying first hes a boras client and to overraterated and sucks
richbrave
November 18th, 2009
11:08 pm
nolie says:
Re; MARTEEN P.
“……..20 homers and an .400 OPS? unlikely even once in his career let alone regularly, and I’m speaking as a guy who pushed him here B4 anyone else, so I like him, but let’s be realistic”
Agree. 12-15 homer guy. If he hits 20, see what he’s doin’ after hours.
fsu 4 ever
November 18th, 2009
11:08 pm
thats wat im saying nolie hes to overrated becaues he is a boras client
jeffrey d
November 18th, 2009
11:09 pm
you expecting Schafer to be traded?
No, see….Jordan struggled for a couple months as a rookie so that means he’s terrible and has no future for with this team.
richbrave
November 18th, 2009
11:10 pm
nolie
November 18th, 2009
10:25 pm
I think any realistic trade scenario involving Vazquez is probably going to leave the Braves short a fair return Efrim
I pretty much agree with that post. Let’s hope we both are a bit pessy.
Thumbs up on that one.
What’s pessy? Like prescient?
Roman Gal
November 18th, 2009
11:10 pm
Schafer and Nixon? Two guys who will never play outfield again for the Braves.
Pish posh! Just sayin…
nolie
November 18th, 2009
11:11 pm
nolie i dont want him im just saying first hes a boras client and to overraterated and sucks fsu
yeah,I know, I was just giving another reason not to get him
Roman Gal
November 18th, 2009
11:14 pm
No, see….Jordan struggled for a couple months as a rookie so that means he’s terrible and has no future for with this team.
Oh yeah…dang! I always forget that. Don’t worry, I’ll remember from now on.
[rolls eyes]
fsu 4 ever
November 18th, 2009
11:14 pm
thank you nolie what about vlad, dye and lee
nolie
November 18th, 2009
11:15 pm
What’s pessy? Like prescient?
nah that would be preshy. pessy is this lazy man’s version of pessimistic
vabraves4life
November 18th, 2009
11:16 pm
I dont know about overrated. Sporting news listed him as a first baseman that can be had at a bargain. Like I said though he is much better against terrible against righties. If his price tag gets to crazy don’t sign him. I wouldnt go multi-year either. Just trying to find a filler this year so freeman can develop
nolie
November 18th, 2009
11:18 pm
thank you nolie what about vlad, dye and lee
I’d love Lee, but doubt the Cubs would trade him to us. Vlad and Dye are gettin’ kinda old to build an offense around IIMO, they might work out but kinda risky unless you could get them pretty cheap. JMO
vabraves4life
November 18th, 2009
11:19 pm
“much better against terrible” lol Classic. I need to hit the sack
Doc Holiday
November 18th, 2009
11:20 pm
Im glad Gonzalez got Boras as his agent, that way we dont have to deal with his mediocrity again…………. Lets try get Soriano, and if he is gone to……….. I would not cry about it either.
nolie
November 18th, 2009
11:27 pm
Doc
you haven’t been watching enough relievers from other teams if you consider either of those guys mediocre. They both missed time and still made it into the A list, just as an example.
Relievers are relievers for a reason, cause they ain’t good enough to be anything else for the most part. Some exceptions obviously, but most of them are up and down & in and out. Both those guys are well above mediocre. That’s not to say they will be affordable enough to keep.
jed
November 18th, 2009
11:34 pm
it is truly remarkable that cox finished 5th for mgr of the year. shows you how, at this point in his career, cox’s reputation overshadows his actual performance. last year was his worst year by far.
Doc Holiday
November 18th, 2009
11:39 pm
I never said Soriano is mediocre………….he is above great……….I said I wouldnt cry about losing him because he might hit DL on december the 25th when opening a christmas gift.
Gonzalez numbers might not be mediocre, but I can tell you that I never felt comfortable when he came up, he is just a box of chocolates……………never know what to expect……….
Of the 2…………..I would take Soriano 10 out of 10 times………….so thats why im glad he now is one of boras guys.
Sometimes bad things lead to good things……….that might force the braves to think about other strategies……….maybe look into one of their starters to close………… who knows……….I dont think losing Gonzalez is the end of the world…………not even close.
Doc Holiday
November 18th, 2009
11:41 pm
nolie,
But you might be right……….there might not be many relievers better than those 2. All I can tell is that I grew tired of Gonzos number………that little swinging on the mound………nah……….we can do better than that.
Paul Lentz
November 18th, 2009
11:52 pm
No more Buddy Carlyle. Some dumb ass Japanese team signed him. One less BUM available for Bobby to be tempted to use out of the bullpen.
Best news so far for the Braves this off season.
RHR
November 18th, 2009
11:55 pm
kinda like all that crap we always had to read about Johnson, huh?
Heh. *blows nolie a kiss*
RHR
November 18th, 2009
11:58 pm
kinda creeped out by you guys who just happen to have photos handy that show how tall KJ is.
Oh hey, his son was born last night. I guess thats been reported here, but I was astounded when I heard they named him Cole. Surely StevenWayneScoots is his middle name. DOB can you confirm that?
nolie
November 18th, 2009
11:59 pm
Of the 2…………..I would take Soriano 10 out of 10 times………….so thats why im glad he now is one of boras guys.
I prefer Soriano too, but box of chocolates is the norm with 90%. Gonzo was scary, I agree, perhaps more so cause we expected more, but he was still better than a lot of guys. I too think that his signing with Boras is a sign that he won’t be back.
jeffrey d
November 18th, 2009
11:59 pm
Just thought I’d inform the blog that my friend said “walah” tonight. I didn’t have the heart to tell her that it was “voila”
nolie
November 19th, 2009
12:00 am
. *blows nolie a kiss* RHR
I will treasure it forever
nolie
November 19th, 2009
12:04 am
have the heart to tell her that it was “voila” Jeffrey D
well, to be technical it is voilà